[QUOTE] Originally posted by ULTRA28:
How about if everybody just stops the personal attacks around here and we all just go back to talking about boats and pumps?
Yes ultra i agree. Lets start by having our buddy randy answer my original question
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by ULTRA28:
How about if everybody just stops the personal attacks around here and we all just go back to talking about boats and pumps?
Yes ultra i agree. Lets start by having our buddy randy answer my original question
Dude, You crack me up.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
You like berkeley and i like aggressor...pretty much the bottom line right? Difference is, i'm not afraid to try the berk stuff and see what happens. You guys try aggressor?...dont think so...my question would be why not..... all to gain and nothing to lose i always say.
Chet
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
You know what hb, if memory serves i asked you about all this testing that was done with your boat with what works and doesnt months ago. You never came back with numbers or facts or anything though..so? I'm listening? What happened with your boat when you used aggressor???? Again, i'm listening? Another thing, why not tell me my boat will run faster with anything other than what i have now while your at it. Again...I'm listening? Not to get off the subject, remember i asked you to call some shops? If memory serves, you mentioned calling dons pump but you never mentioned what the others said. Lets take hi-tech for example. His website is pretty plastered with aggressor, did he tell you something you didnt want to hear or what??? What did they say?
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
I have a 18' Rally sport v bottom(delta pad) and i run a 522chev (estimate 650hp @ 6400rpm on pump gas)with a berk pump,factory berk JR (6deg) intake with shoe, aggressor "b" impeller, 9vien bowl with droop,wedge, and no place diverter. Best run was 80.2gps at 5700 with hockey stick hook in the bottom.(working on that as we speak). This year i'm going to a stock intake (4deg) with shoe and staightening the bottom and using a diverter. Been told to expect gains of at least 5 to 7mph, quite possibly 10mph(hopefully). If i can spin it up to 6400 maybe more? Who knows. I never really got a good baseline with a berk bowl because my pump(everything) was really messed up when i got the boat(maybe i should try it for the record eh?) I did though, put them side by side before i made my choice and studied them carefully
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
As i said before i have close to 700hp. The boat ran 60 the first time i took it out with my motor. It felt glued to the water. I knew something was wrong so i looked underneath and discovered the intake grate was in backwards.(i'm sure it was that way for awhile before i had it). That was good for almost 8mph but the pump was cavitating from a dead stop, that's when i rebuilt it using aggressor stuff. Then i fine tuned it and went 80.
Now Chet, I have stated before, I did not need to do any Aggressor bowl testing because a professional who has done the testing with the exact same hull as I have told me there is no difference. Don't get me wrong, I did ask Jack about getting an Aggressor bowl, but the price of a new bowl, plus cleaning it up is more then converting my JC to a JG and blue printing it. So why are you knocking me to spend more money? I even looked at an Aggressor impeller next to a Berkeley and a Legend, all factory direct and they were all untouched. The Berkeley looked like crap, the Aggressor was just a little better, and the Legend was a lot better, but for max performance the Legend would need a lot LESS work. I called Don's pump and I believe the other was HI-Performance. Don's said for sure not to use Aggressor, they were all junk. HI-PERFORMANCE said Aggressor is still new to the pump business, and they just need to do more homework and didn't recommend them. Oh, I also heard there are a lot of warranty returns on Aggressor impellers because the fins would crack off. When looking at the impeller, you could see where it was going to break, just a matter of time. So, for the record, I didn't need to test my boat because it has already been done. Your hull, I don't know? You said you tried a new Berk bowl since your original bowl was all messed up and you found the Aggressor was better For You. Chet, you claim in one of the above quotes that when you rebuilt the pump with Aggressor stuff, you had a gain of 12mph. (60mph + 8mph from the intake grate + pump rebuild = 80mph) So if you had that much of a gain from the rebuild using the Aggressor stuff, what were your results with a rebuild using the Berkeley Stuff? If you didn't test it (Which you sound like you have) anyone can tell you that 1. Your original Berkeley was so thrashed that any rebuild kit you use you will see a big difference. 2. With a pump that thrashed, you chose Aggressor because of a cost issue, not a performance one, and you comparing bowls (your thrashed Berkeley to a new Aggressor) you will totally see a difference. So basically, you have only tried one solution not realizing that with your pump so thrashed, any solution would give you the same results, and since your a do-it-yourselfer guy, and you got the boat for next to nothing, your going to use the solution which has the best cost/performance ratio, which happens to be Aggressor. So Chet, post the numbers, you said you did the testing between the two, I told you before I have not and I don't need to. Be happy you will always be one up on me (in your mind) The truth about your ideas has been played out here so much, you aren't going to fool anyone but yourself.
HBjet
I'm waiting...
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 21, 2002).]
Originally posted by HBjet:
Now Chet, I have stated before, I did not need to do any Aggressor bowl testing because a professional who has done the testing with the exact same hull as I have told me there is no difference. Don't get me wrong, I did ask Jack about getting an Aggressor bowl, but the price of a new bowl, plus cleaning it up is more then converting my JC to a JG and blue printing it. So why are you knocking me to spend more money? I even looked at an Aggressor impeller next to a Berkeley and a Legend, all factory direct and they were all untouched. The Berkeley looked like crap, the Aggressor was just a little better, and the Legend was a lot better, but for max performance the Legend would need a lot LESS work. I called Don's pump and I believe the other was HI-Performance. Don's said for sure not to use Aggressor, they were all junk. HI-PERFORMANCE said Aggressor is still new to the pump business, and they just need to do more homework and didn't recommend them. Oh, I also heard there are a lot of warranty returns on Aggressor impellers because the fins would crack off. When looking at the impeller, you could see where it was going to break, just a matter of time. So, for the record, I didn't need to test my boat because it has already been done. Your hull, I don't know? You said you tried a new Berk bowl since your original bowl was all messed up and you found the Aggressor was better For You. Chet, you claim in one of the above quotes that when you rebuilt the pump with Aggressor stuff, you had a gain of 12mph. (60mph + 8mph from the intake grate + pump rebuild = 80mph) So if you had that much of a gain from the rebuild using the Aggressor stuff, what were your results with a rebuild using the Berkeley Stuff? If you didn't test it (Which you sound like you have) anyone can tell you that 1. Your original Berkeley was so thrashed that any rebuild kit you use you will see a big difference. 2. With a pump that thrashed, you chose Aggressor because of a cost issue, not a performance one, and you comparing bowls (your thrashed Berkeley to a new Aggressor) you will totally see a difference. So basically, you have only tried one solution not realizing that with your pump so thrashed, any solution would give you the same results, and since your a do-it-yourselfer guy, and you got the boat for next to nothing, your going to use the solution which has the best cost/performance ratio, which happens to be Aggressor. So Chet, post the numbers, you said you did the testing between the two, I told you before I have not and I don't need to. Be happy you will always be one up on me (in your mind) The truth about your ideas has been played out here so much, you aren't going to fool anyone but yourself.
HBjet
I'm waiting...
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 21, 2002).]
Bravo.....HBJet. Well spoken, well said!!
HBjet, I run a Berkeley...but certainly am no an expert on pump brands. As with Detroit, loyalty is often misplaced and more than they deserve I feel. But one thing I can say for Aggressor, is they're involved with some new ideas and Dave (from Aggressor) has taken time to post on these boards. That's worth a lot in my book. And this is more than I can say for the other pump manufacturers. Where are they? And what new things are they doing to improve our sport? If they continue to ride past accomplishments, they're bound to become a part of history.
jer
[This message has been edited by LVjetboy (edited January 22, 2002).]
I don't care if someone is running a Berkely, Dominator, or Jacuzzi pump or if they made their own from 5" galvanized ducting from Home Depot.
Originally posted by LVjetboy:
But one thing I can say for Aggressor, is they're involved with some new ideas and Dave (from Aggressor) has taken time to post on these boards. That's worth a lot in my book. And this is more than I can say for the other pump manufacturers.
True, they are involved in some new ideas, but like I've been told, they still need to do some more homework. I also think that is great for Dave from Aggressor to come on here. Does that tell me I'll buy his products because he has taken the time to be on the boards? NO! Will I learn more? YES, but his products don't get any better just by posting on here. I was fortunate to look at an Aggressor, Berkeley, and Legend impellers all side by side. Once you do, you will see for yourself.
HBjet
Originally posted by HBjet:
Now Chet, I have stated before, I did not need to do any Aggressor bowl testing because a professional who has done the testing with the exact same hull as I have told me there is no difference.
<<<<< Man hb this is long! I started this new thread to keep it short and sweet and to the point but not you! Anyways..here goes. So every bowl and every impeller resulted in NO CHANGE is what your telling me? Care to give exact numbers since your so thorough? Ought to have them right there beside you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Don't get me wrong, I did ask Jack about getting an Aggressor bowl, but the price of a new bowl, plus cleaning it up is more then converting my JC to a JG and blue printing it. So why are you knocking me to spend more money?
<<<< i'm knocking you because that is alot of money to convert what essentially is a $25.00 bowl when you can have current technology for roughly 30% more. Why not even just by a used JG bowl for maybe a couple hundred??( i saw a used one for $50bucks last year) As you have said, if this conversion is soooo ggggreat, why isnt everybody doing it then??>>>>>>
I even looked at an Aggressor impeller next to a Berkeley and a Legend, all factory direct and they were all untouched. The Berkeley looked like crap, the Aggressor was just a little better, and the Legend was a lot better, but for max performance the Legend would need a lot LESS work.
<<<<<< well hb, i just tonight took the time and looked at all the above and while the legend was a used impeller,it looks a little meatier then the others(i'll give you that)I dont think its any better(meatier yes, better no). Besides, if they are so great, why dont you see or hear more about them??? Aside from you and a few others on here, i hear ZIPPO! I wouldnt say the berk looked like CRAP either.(not as nice as the other two)..it looks like a factory impeller. You know the ones that have been used forever.( i can see rick at CP when he sells his stuff, "well sir..(clearing his throat)...ummmm......when you buy my impeller here see...aside from paying good money for it your going to have to REWORK THE WHOLE THING before you install it to get max perf...aside from that your berk will run as new, understand?) Your just plain goofy hb you know that?? Now as for the "one and only impeller"... hmmmmmm...i'd like to know what does "just a little better than crap" look like anyways??? All i see is a lean, mean, black powdercoated, ready to run impeller(lakeboat use) with blades that are as sharp as they need to be...a blunt 1/32 edge(any sharper and they would cut you finger) I didnt know when you pay good money for brand new parts, you have to PAY EXTRA to TOTALLY reconstruct them so they work right. Dont get me wrong, if your racing and every little bit counts then i'm sure you could fine tune it somehow but in a regular HP lake boat...... "just a little better than crap"????? Who are you BS'in HB??>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I called Don's pump and I believe the other was HI-Performance. Don's said for sure not to use Aggressor, they were all junk. HI-PERFORMANCE said Aggressor is still new to the pump business, and they just need to do more homework and didn't recommend them.
<<<<<<<<< AH..i remember now, you did say you called hi performance boats in michigan. (Word has it he runs a hydro you know..maybe it's slowboat in disguise?) Forgive me but i thought you said you didnt get an answer? I thought i mentioned you call hi-tech performance.(hmmm, i said inducer and jetaway remember?) You know the one whose website is plastered with aggressor from one end to the other? Afraid to hear what he has to say HB??? From what i noticed on the other board a while back that guy has a 23FT tunnel that runs 110mph with aggressor stuff. TWENTY THREE FEET HB! TWENTY THREE!. 110mph naturally asperated lake boat! Now THAT is impressive, period! He must be new like aggressor is new eh? BTW, what do you consider "new" in the pump biz? 2yr? 5yr?10yr? Too new for this testing that was done on your boat maybe????? Tell me tell me tell me!........>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, I also heard there are a lot of warranty returns on Aggressor impellers because the fins would crack off. When looking at the impeller, you could see where it was going to break, just a matter of time.
<<<<<<<<<<<< yes i HEARD that too! My next one is going to be free WHEN and IF it breaks or cracks. HMMM..i'm looking at my 2yr 700hp "b" aluminum impeller drinking my coffee right now bud. I'm lookin......lookin.....and... i see.... NOTHING! Ready to go back in and GRANADE! (my A$$ to 90mph that is)>>>>>>>>>
So, for the record, I didn't need to test my boat because it has already been done.
<<<<<<<<<< As stated above hb, what were the RESULTS with the aggressor?(or any for that matter) My original question incase you forgot. I want numbers boy! numbers!>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your hull, I don't know? You said you tried a new Berk bowl since your original bowl was all messed up and you found the Aggressor was better For You. Chet, you claim in one of the above quotes that when you rebuilt the pump with Aggressor stuff, you had a gain of 12mph. (60mph + 8mph from the intake grate + pump rebuild = 80mph) So if you had that much of a gain from the rebuild using the Aggressor stuff, what were your results with a rebuild using the Berkeley Stuff?
<<<<<<<<<<<<< No HB, i never said i tried a berk bowl or berk stuff, everything was done aggressor. I will though just for you. FYI, i had a JC bowl that was beat up but i wanted a split bowl. BTW, I'll sell you that bowl so you can do that magical conversion if you want.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you didn't test it (Which you sound like you have) anyone can tell you that 1. Your original Berkeley was so thrashed that any rebuild kit you use you will see a big difference. 2. With a pump that thrashed, you chose Aggressor because of a cost issue, not a performance one, and you comparing bowls (your thrashed Berkeley to a new Aggressor) you will totally see a difference. So basically, you have only tried one solution not realizing that with your pump so thrashed, any solution would give you the same results, and since your a do-it-yourselfer guy, and you got the boat for next to nothing, your going to use the solution which has the best cost/performance ratio, which happens to be Aggressor.
<<<<<<<<<<<< GREAT observation rahndy, To bad your a little off on your asessment. Granted the price was right but i looked at two JG bowls(one massaged,one stock),one good JC(one you love),my bowl(JC)and a domninator(stock) before i made my decision.(scientific "bowls on the floor" study right? LOL.) I could have bought any one but if you fully understand the theory behind it, you realize it's the better bowl. That's why i chose it. Performance. Besides everything your going to do to that JC(and pretty much every other bowl) is already done with aggressor.>>>>>>>>>>
So Chet, post the numbers, you said you did the testing between the two, I told you before I have not and I don't need to.
<<<<<< I let you know on that when i do it this season my friend, good or bad. I cant wait actually, love being the underdog you know. As far as you not needing to...of course not. Like you said it was already done right? SO THEN, WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I POLITELY ASKED FOR?>>>>>>
Be happy you will always be one up on me
<<<<<<<<< ummmm....right now hb it's about 10...this season should be 20 unless you start working on making your boat go faster. Oops that's right everythings already been done. GEEZ to be stuck at 70....what a shame hb! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm waiting...AGAIN. Short and sweet this time k???
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 21, 2002).]
Originally posted by ChetCapoli: So every bowl and every impeller resulted in NO CHANGE is what your telling me? Care to give exact numbers since your so thorough? Ought to have them right there beside you
Incase you missed the first part of my post I didnt need to get the numbers or do the tests. When I paid to have my pump worked on part of what Im paying for is knowledge from the person who is doing the work, and who has done the testing. So stopping asking you sound stupid.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli: I'm knocking you because that is alot of money to convert what essentially is a $25.00 bowl when you can have current technology for roughly 30% more. Why not even just by a used JG bowl for maybe a couple hundred??( i saw a used one for $50bucks last year) As you have said, if this conversion is soooo ggggreat, why isnt everybody doing it then?
$25.00 for a JC bowl would right if the veins were thrashed and the Nozzle O-Ring would have made a groove deep enough that no matter what you did, you will have blow-by and therefore lose performance. Want to know something Chet? The veins on my JC which is sitting at MPD were in pretty good shape but the nozzle has that deep groove in it from the O-Ring. I was told that the bowl is useless performance wise. My options were to A buy a new split bowl B Buy a used split bowl but most likely it will need to be blueprinted C Or I can convert my original JC to a JG for less then the first two options (and it includes blueprinting) but it will have to be something I do in the off season because they are too busy during the summer. Another benefit is that a converted JG will perform better in the racing environment verses an original JG do to the longer, straighter veins giving the exiting water a straighter flow. So if I do put some monster HP in my boat like 700-900hp I will already be one up.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
well hb, i just tonight took the time and looked at all the above and while the legend was a used impeller,it looks a little meatier then the others(i'll give you that)I dont think its any better(meatier yes, better no).
Well, used isnt new, so are you comparing apples to apples, or is it impellers to impellers?
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
I wouldnt say the berk looked like CRAP either.(not as nice as the other two)..it looks like a factory impeller. You know the ones that have been used forever.
Well, if you dont think it looked like crap, I at least know where your quality standard is. Yes, they will work in a stock power stock jet boat fine. When you start putting more power to the pump, do you want a stock out of the box impeller? It will work, but arent you the one who said dont you want to go faster HB? so now your telling me the stock Berkeley or Aggressor will do the same for me as a worked one would? You dont make sense.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
A blunt 1/32 edge
You know whats funny, that little edge you see at the front of the impeller, it actually hurts performance causing the water to flow over the leading edge of the impeller and landing a little further back. The way you want to cut the water is with the sharpest knife-edge you can. 1/32 is big compared the knife cuts Ive seen on a Legend, but its your boat so do what you want to it.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
I didnt know when you pay good money for brand new parts, you have to PAY EXTRA to TOTALLY reconstruct them so they work right
You shouldnt of bought Aggressor then
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
AH..i remember now, you did say you called hi performance boats in michigan.
You told me to call Dons Pump Service and HI-PERFORMANCE so I did and now you want me to call another shop? Dude, I think Ive done enough for you, I actually did make the calls, but you havent. You get back to me after you call MPD, until then you have no grounds for me to call another pump shop when the first two I called told me different from what your claiming.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
23FT tunnel that runs 110mph with aggressor stuff. 110mph naturally asperated lake boat! Now THAT is impressive, period! He must be new like aggressor is new eh? BTW, what do you consider "new" in the pump biz? 2yr? 5yr?10yr? Too new for this testing that was done on your boat maybe?????
When I said NEW, I was referring to purchasing a new pump (as in never been used before) YES! That is impressive, so remind me, was the Aggressor pump (and everything else Aggressor) all out of the box, directly bolted on, no modifications whatsoever? I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
yes i HEARD that too! My next one is going to be free WHEN and IF it breaks or cracks. HMMM..i'm looking at my 2yr 700hp "b" aluminum impeller drinking my coffee right now bud. I'm lookin......lookin.....and... i see.... NOTHING!
Well I should have figured since your standard of quality is lower then most your judgment would be out of wack too. See, for your impeller to crack, it has to be in the boat and running. When sitting on the workbench while your boat is upside down and your pump is apart you cant really apply what I've said can you?
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
No HB, i never said i tried a berk bowl or berk stuff, everything was done aggressor. I will though just for you. FYI, i had a JC bowl that was beat up but i wanted a split bowl.
I rest my case and refer to one of my previous statements Your original Berkeley was so thrashed that any rebuild kit you use you will see a big difference. You have no grounds for comparison Chet.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
I could have bought any one but if you fully understand the theory behind it, you realize it's the better bowl. That's why i chose it. Performance.
Lets not forget the main reason, PRICE. Kind of like you recommending the bronze impeller to save money remember?
Well Chet, good luck with the project boat "The Gray Battleship" Let us know how it runs even if you dont test the different bowls. I really have to hear how those extended strakes are going affect your performance.
HBjet
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 23, 2002).]
Here is that pic of the "110mph" 23' er
http://www.teshio.com/JetBoat/images/Kustom_Kraft.jpg
Per the spec sheet on VJB. http://www.teshio.com/JetBoat/kuston_kraft.htm :
1994 Kustom Kraft 23' tunnel
Built by Jimmie Dominick of Lubbock, Texas. Only 6 of these were built just before the company went out of business. Specs; 23' Tunnel, 572 Cubic In. Chevrolet Pro Stock Block, Running Holley 2000 cfm multiport EFI, Hi-Tech Performance Stage III Roller Cam and Rockers, Dart Aluminum Heads by Indy Cyl Heads, Undertransom Bassett's, JETAWAY, Prime-A-Jet, Ultimate Wear Ring, American Turbine 9 1/2" Pump/Aggressor Impeller & 9 Vein Bowl, HT Extension/ATJ Diverter, & MSD Ignition. Boat runs over 100 mph on Unleaded Premium on a good day.
My question is where do they measure that hull? It look just like my 21' and if you measure to the tip of one of my sponson it is 23' ....
MikeW
Ps.Aggressor admits to having a casting problem with there older impellers. Dave has recalled and made good on them. I still prefure a legend myself. 5000(legend) vs 5200(Aggressor) rpms and the same speed from a "A" cut. Just my .02.
PSS. what happened to "How about if everybody just stops the personal attacks around here and we all just go back to talking about boats and pumps?"
[This message has been edited by Blown509Liberator (edited January 23, 2002).]
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
[QUOTE] Originally posted by ULTRA28:
How about if everybody just stops the personal attacks around here and we all just go back to talking about boats and pumps?
Yes ultra i agree. Lets start by having our buddy randy answer my original question
FYI--I live 3 miles from Duane Oblander and Hi-Tech Performance here in wichita. I drive by the shop twice daily, on my way to work and home from work!
There isn't any personal attacks going on. Chet just insists that Aggressor will out perform any other pump (or pump related part) in any boat and that I'm silly for not using them.
That boat to me sure looks like a 21' tunnel, but if you measure from the sponson tip to the very end of the pump, I could see 23' but who measures that way anyway?
I just want to know if the Agressor bowl and impeller were out of the box and bolted on? Does anyone else think they were, or do you think the were modified for max performance?
HBjet
H.B.Jet -Play all your Games,You are distroying a conversation and help page!
Aggressor Performance builders seem to know our product & Seem to Keep setting Records.
Tom Papp, J.P.Marine, Harold Bruce R&D Marine, Mike Ward -Mikes Pump & Speed, Dwayne Oblander- Hi Tech Performance,Jim Brock- Cyclone Speed & Marine,Don Harris Blade Runner,Doc- Dry Dock Marine Vic Vanhorn- Desert Yacht, Rick Green Wilder Enterprises,
Force Fed Racing,G.S.Marine, GT Boats,Scotts Marine- and the list goe's on 200 MORE! You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
H.B.Jet -Play all your Games,You are distroying a conversation and help page!
Aggressor Performance builders seem to know our product & Seem to Keep setting Records.
Tom Papp, J.P.Marine, Harold Bruce R&D Marine, Mike Ward -Mikes Pump & Speed, Dwayne Oblander- Hi Tech Performance,Jim Brock- Cyclone Speed & Marine,Don Harris Blade Runner,Doc- Dry Dock Marine Vic Vanhorn- Desert Yacht, Rick Green Wilder Enterprises,
Force Fed Racing,G.S.Marine, GT Boats,Scotts Marine- and the list goe's on 200 MORE! You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
Dave. You obviously haven't been reading all the posts involving HB and CC. If you read them, you will realize the CC is doing more dis-service to Aggressor than anyone on the boards.
HB has spoken only facts from his own experience and posted his satisfaction with MPD. Chet was the one who came in knocking Randy for using MPD and recommending MPD based on his experience. CC doesn't have the basis or real world experience for comparing Aggressor to any other manufacturer.
Let's face the facts, American Turbine, Dominator, Berkeley, Legend, and Aggressor can all be reworked to provide essentially the same performance in most applications. There are some minor differences new out of the box. Most new boat manufacturers I've seen in So Cal either install AT, Dominator, or Legend.
I think everybody knows this subject is a little more about pride and sh*t talking than actual side by side real world testing.
Chet came off a little cocky(ok maybe big cocky)on some earlier post and HB called him on it. Both these guys have strong opinions and back their chosen product.If Ultra built four boats same hull same engine and Four different pump tuners(MPD,High Tech,Don's,etc.)put in four different tuned pumps I would be very suprised if there was a 5 MPH spread, Maybe it would be 10 MPH but who knows until actual conditions and side by side comparisions are done.
Me personally?? The UPS man just drove off to Costa Mesa with my American Turbine pump and Jack is putting in a "AA" stainless legend.
"GOD BLESS AMERICA" Freedom of choice!!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Cruise
[This message has been edited by custom-cruiser (edited January 23, 2002).]
((((((((( TROLL ))))))))))
You guys gotta let it go! Way too much badnwidth devoted to this "debate".
HD
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
H.B.Jet -Play all your Games,You are distroying a conversation and help page!
Aggressor Performance builders seem to know our product & Seem to Keep setting Records.
Tom Papp, J.P.Marine, Harold Bruce R&D Marine, Mike Ward -Mikes Pump & Speed, Dwayne Oblander- Hi Tech Performance,Jim Brock- Cyclone Speed & Marine,Don Harris Blade Runner,Doc- Dry Dock Marine Vic Vanhorn- Desert Yacht, Rick Green Wilder Enterprises,
Force Fed Racing,G.S.Marine, GT Boats,Scotts Marine- and the list goe's on 200 MORE! You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
Dave,
I think you have the wrong guy on this one. If you wanted to do something positive for the image of your company, maybe you could shoot Chet a quick email and promise him some stickers or something if he were to lay off the rhetoric and let things be.
The bottom line is that Chet made a claim about your product in comparision to other products, but he chose to compare a new Aggressor product to a well used Berkley one. No one looking for comparative information between the two products is served well by that sort of disinformation. I believe that is all Randy is trying to get at. From where I stand there hasn't been an attack on Aggressor's product, just reiteration of what some of your distributors said.
You guys are heading in the right direction by trying new things like the twin pump idea etc. I'm sure you've noted the positive responses and inquiries that product has recieved. Focus your efforts in that direction and I think you'll be much better off than if you come down on a specific individual on this forum.
My .02
Chris www.liquidaddiction.net (http://www.liquidaddiction.net)
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
H.B.Jet -Play all your Games,You are distroying a conversation and help page!
Aggressor Performance builders seem to know our product & Seem to Keep setting Records.
Tom Papp, J.P.Marine, Harold Bruce R&D Marine, Mike Ward -Mikes Pump & Speed, Dwayne Oblander- Hi Tech Performance,Jim Brock- Cyclone Speed & Marine,Don Harris Blade Runner,Doc- Dry Dock Marine Vic Vanhorn- Desert Yacht, Rick Green Wilder Enterprises,
Force Fed Racing,G.S.Marine, GT Boats,Scotts Marine- and the list goe's on 200 MORE! You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
I don't think HB is tearing apart any company. If I have read correctly, someone already tested an Aggressor pump his application and came to the conclusion that bottom line....It wasn't worth it for him to make the swap. Too bad he needs to go through all this BS. Why would anyone want to swap anything for no real change in the bottom line? I think he even made some compliments about the impeller. If anyone is slamming, it's Chet saying that Aggressor under any circumstance is the best pump. Right? Isn't that what he's saying? Who started this thread anyway? HB? Nope.
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
H.B.Jet -Play all your Games,You are distroying a conversation and help page!
Aggressor Performance builders seem to know our product & Seem to Keep setting Records.
Tom Papp, J.P.Marine, Harold Bruce R&D Marine, Mike Ward -Mikes Pump & Speed, Dwayne Oblander- Hi Tech Performance,Jim Brock- Cyclone Speed & Marine,Don Harris Blade Runner,Doc- Dry Dock Marine Vic Vanhorn- Desert Yacht, Rick Green Wilder Enterprises,
Force Fed Racing,G.S.Marine, GT Boats,Scotts Marine- and the list goe's on 200 MORE! You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
Dave, nice to have you here but your not looking at the whole picture bud. I have no beef with Aggressor or any pump MFG for that matter. I see you listed people who sell your product, but does that mean they recommend it over any others? Lets take Harold Bruce from R&D (and the Hot Boat jet tech guy) What pump does how run in his BGJ at speeds up to 147mph? Is it Aggressor? I don't know about the impeller but I can say I do know the bowl and suction piece are not Aggressor. Again, I'm just going by what I see and according to our friend Chet, if Harold Bruce uses an Aggressor bowl I'm sure he will pass 150mph with flying colors. Well according to Chet he will.
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
You should Do your racing on the track not on a Public Forum. Its OK to favor a builder or Pump company but don't tear it apart with your world of mouth. Dave Aggressor
I like this statement you have here. You relize it's a public forum, but you don't want me to speak my mind. By the way, I think your last sentence should be directed to ChetCapoli.
Thanks for your imput, good luck with the twin drives.
HBjet
back to pump talking mine is at mpd right now being fixed.Should be done soon and i am adding a place diverter and a new Legend b impeller.
Thought I might clear up a thing or two for whoever might be interested. The Kustom Kraft boat that I call a 23 footer actually measures 22' 6". That's from the tip of the sponson to the back of the hull. It measures 25' 2" from the sponson tip to the end of the pump. The boat runs 100+mph on a good day. (not every day). The Aggressor 9 3/8" bronze inpeller is straight out of the box. It's been in there for three years, with no problems, or signs of problems. I run one of Don's Inducers in front of it. The 9 vein Aggressor Bowl is straight out of the box, except that it had been machined to fit the 9 1/2" American Turbine Pump Housing. When I put on the Aggressor Impeller & 9 Vein Bowl, the boat picked up 9 mph, which we thought was a terrific gain, considering that it was already running in the mid ninetys. As far as Aggressor goes, I've had good luck with them. But two things sort of seem to hold true. 1. I like the Aggressor Impeller and I like the Aggressor Bowl, but to try just the bowl or the impeller, one does not realize as much gain as if you use them as a pair. (together). 2. It has been our expirence that the more HP you have, the more gain you get from the use of the two together. IE; little to no difference on a 300 hp motor. And a big difference on a 700 HP motor. In fact, if I'm working on a boat that has say 350 HP or less and I know the customer is not going to do something to make more HP, I prefer the 11 vein bowl for him. I will say one thing, you can not look at an impeller and tell it's performance qualities. Speed coat it and run it a while, then pull it out and see what the markings on the speed coat tell you. The only reason for me getting on this board is that several people called me today and said I was being quoted on the board contrary to what I had told them. Now I see they were quoting someone else NOT me. Thanks for your time. Duane Oblander
Originally posted by Duane HTP:
Thought I might clear up a thing or two for whoever might be interested. The Kustom Kraft boat that I call a 23 footer actually measures 22' 6". That's from the tip of the sponson to the back of the hull. It measures 25' 2" from the sponson tip to the end of the pump. The boat runs 100+mph on a good day. (not every day). The Aggressor 9 3/8" bronze inpeller is straight out of the box. It's been in there for three years, with no problems, or signs of problems. I run one of Don's Inducers in front of it. The 9 vein Aggressor Bowl is straight out of the box, except that it had been machined to fit the 9 1/2" American Turbine Pump Housing. When I put on the Aggressor Impeller & 9 Vein Bowl, the boat picked up 9 mph, which we thought was a terrific gain, considering that it was already running in the mid ninetys. As far as Aggressor goes, I've had good luck with them. But two things sort of seem to hold true. 1. I like the Aggressor Impeller and I like the Aggressor Bowl, but to try just the bowl or the impeller, one does not realize as much gain as if you use them as a pair. (together). 2. It has been our expirence that the more HP you have, the more gain you get from the use of the two together. IE; little to no difference on a 300 hp motor. And a big difference on a 700 HP motor. In fact, if I'm working on a boat that has say 350 HP or less and I know the customer is not going to do something to make more HP, I prefer the 11 vein bowl for him. I will say one thing, you can not look at an impeller and tell it's performance qualities. Speed coat it and run it a while, then pull it out and see what the markings on the speed coat tell you. The only reason for me getting on this board is that several people called me today and said I was being quoted on the board contrary to what I had told them. Now I see they were quoting someone else NOT me. Thanks for your time. Duane Oblander
Thanks for posting here and setting the record straight. I do however want to point something out also, I never said I could see a performance difference by looking at an Aggressor impeller verses another, just a Quality difference. Also, these were all aluminium and directly out of the box. Even though someone posted your boat doing 110mph I'm still impressed it reaches 100mph with the hull size and power your using. The gains you saw from adding the Aggressor impeller and bowl are also impressive, but I want your opinion on something. Do you think those mph gains will be found in other boats pushing the same power? Say a 18' Rally Sport V-bottom with extended center strakes to the end of the transom. Thanks again for clearing things up and voicing your opinion that no one bowl will make a cost effective performance difference. You need to complement the change such as adding an Aggressor impeller, inducer, etc.
Duane HTP, one last question. Were you running Don's inducer before you installed the Aggressor bowl and impeller? If you weren't, then I have to say 9mph gain from the bowl and impeller are inaccurate. Just my opinion. I hope you can clear that up for me. Thanks
HBjet
no one bowl will make a cost effective performance difference. You need to complement the change such as adding an Aggressor impeller, inducer, etc.
Don't twist my words,I did not say that!
I say the bowl definetly helps in most cases. I just said there is more gain yet when you use them together.
I did not have the inducer when I added the bowl and Impeller. I just added the inducer last summer and it nade NO difference on top end, it just helped that big boat get out of the hole quicker.
Originally posted by Duane HTP:
no one bowl will make a cost effective performance difference. You need to complement the change such as adding an Aggressor impeller, inducer, etc.
Don't twist my words,I did not say that!
I say the bowl definetly helps in most cases. I just said there is more gain yet when you use them together.
I did not have the inducer when I added the bowl and Impeller. I just added the inducer last summer and it nade NO difference on top end, it just helped that big boat get out of the hole quicker.
Ok, sorry about that. I personally don't think no one bowl will make a noticable performance differene just by simply bolting it on. If one bowl and impeller would give every boat with 700hp+ horse power a 9mph gain, why isn't every drag jet boat using them? In drag racing people spend thousands to achieve 9 miles more per hour when your at those high speeds.
Duane HTP, I'm not picking on you nor do I doubt your performance gains on your boat. I just think your situation is unique because those results wouldn't be the same for everyone. I would like to know what bowl and impeller were you running before the change and what condition were they in? Thanks
HBjet
I'm not trying to say anything here, just some pictures I found on the next.
Duane HTP, is this your boat that you race?
http://www.hi-techperformance.com/images/NEWFRONT.JPG
And is it this one too?
http://home.pacbell.net/jmcclure/6secPits1.jpg
Wasn't the second pic taken from the "Smoken in the Cove" drag boat races in Arkansas? Well, see the tip of the orange boat in the bottom left corner of the photo, that was the Un-blown jet boat from California which was in the 6 sec. class and was not using Aggressor and was the #1 qualifier.
Anyway, I just wanted to know if that was your Blown red daytona that says HI-TECH PERFORMANCE. Thanks
HBjet
Originally posted by Duane HTP:
Don't twist my words,I did not say that!
.
First thing. WOW!
Second thing, randy, your too much buddy. That quote sums it up. You see I'm not the only one who says you SNOWBALL(TWIST) words. It's the only way for you to win aside from having your buddies(MPD deciples) back you up. You've had a problem with aggressor since we originally went toe to toe almost a year ago. I finally figured out why. BTW, All i asked for was some numbers one how aggressor worked on your boat. All you can say is "it's been done by a professional and that's all you need to know". Sounds like BS to me. Well, when i try the berk(properly) after i use the aggressor i'll have some numbers....just make sure you have yours.
THE END.
Originally posted by HBjet:
I'm not trying to say anything here
Wasn't the second pic taken from the "Smoken in the Cove" drag boat races in Arkansas? Well, see the tip of the orange boat in the bottom left corner of the photo, that was the Un-blown jet boat from California which was in the 6 sec. class and was not using Aggressor and was the #1 qualifier.
HBjet
Your not? Forgive me HB but i sure think you are. Lets see...number one qualifier in six second class at 1000ft(not 1/4 mile) was not using aggressor. hmmmm....you know what i think hb? I think aggressor was never even tried on that boat, that what i think. So i guess we cant compare can we? That is unless you have some numbers to prove me wrong.
You too much buddy.
Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
First thing. WOW!
Second thing, randy, your too much buddy. That quote sums it up. You see I'm not the only one who says you SNOWBALL(TWIST) words. It's the only way for you to win aside from having your buddies(MPD deciples) back you up. You've had a problem with aggressor since we originally went toe to toe almost a year ago. I finally figured out why. BTW, All i asked for was some numbers one how aggressor worked on your boat. All you can say is "it's been done by a professional and that's all you need to know". Sounds like BS to me. Well, when i try the berk(properly) after i use the aggressor i'll have some numbers....just make sure you have yours.
THE END.
Thank God!
Chet, you are the only one who thinks what you think. HTP just pointed out that he wasn't implying what I thought he was. He made that clear and I apologized for that mis understanding. I have no problem with Aggressor, I have a problem with you insisting they are the only solution and your claim for testing was done with unequal componets as far as quality goes. Let me trust my builder as you trust yours. You don't see me suggesting your builder to try something different. You say THE END, I say THANK GOD. The next time I post suggesting MPD when someone is looking for a pump builder, go ahead and post your guy and be done with it. As far as the Hot Tub boat from MPD, if figures you will have some excuse like saying Lets see...number one qualifier in six second class at 1000ft(not 1/4 mile) and you forgetting the fact that out ran a 19 Blown Daytona in a California Performance tunnel with an unblown motor build by DNE.
Just go back to removing hook. At least your aggression will help with some good hard labor.
HBjet
PS. Everyone reading on, lets get your views on this. I would be happy to see what our other boaters think.
I know some don't care, and feel free to post that too.
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 23, 2002).]
How much green can you pack into an Aggressor bowl? How much in a Berk? I would go with whatever held the most! Uh, oh, I think I misunderstood what type of "bowls" you guys were talking about. Sorry,
D Kid
Duane HTP
Man that Hull looks just like my liberator
It look like it has a high freeboard in the rear of the boat just like mine.
[This message has been edited by Blown509Liberator (edited January 24, 2002).]
Originally posted by HBjet:
PS. Everyone reading on, lets get your views on this. I would be happy to see what our other boaters think.
I know some don't care, and feel free to post that too.
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 23, 2002).]
Well Randy, as you may know I don't know dick about drag boat racing. So my opinion on this is totaly from a "Layman's" point of view. I may have forgotten some of the posts on this subject but here's how I see it. The bottom line is, your boat runs and Chet's doesn't. How can he make any claim on what works. He hasn't tried anything that he claims to yet. Right now, my 21' Omega with a stock 454 and Jacuzzi WJ can kick his ass. Another thing is he is inconsistant with his HP claims. 600hp, 675, 700, do I her 8? Has he dyno'd it? Also, I recall him saying that he changed the bottom of his hull because he "Heard through the grapevine that it works". WTF? If I were to do something like that, I would want to here it from the guy who has raced it himself and swears by it. Even then I would still be skeptical. One last point, i don't think you were bashing Agressor so much as you were Chet. Chet calls you the MPD coffee queen, but he's just as bad(or good however you want to look at it) about Agressor. The two things that set yourselves apart are the fact that you have tried what what your pump has done for you and Chet has not.
"I just think your situation is unique because those results wouldn't be the same for everyone."
I'm glad to see that you understand this. I did not say every 700+ hp boat would gain 9 npm. "EVERY" boat is unique.
" I would like to know what bowl and mpeller were you running before the change"
It was the same size impeller and the bowl that came with the ATJ Pump.
"what condition were they in?"
Excellent Condition.
"Wasn't the second pic taken from the "Smoken in the Cove" drag boat races in Arkansas? "
Yes.
" Well, see the tip of the orange boat in the bottom left corner of the photo,"
Yes, that is Jerry Hick's boat. He is a fine fellow and runs one of our JETAWAYs on his boat. He probably should have won that race, but he was eliminated by a red light, just as was Crazy Dreams, (the second place runner up). While on the subject, Crazy Dreams,(Roger Leas of Climax Springs, MO),runs one of our Aggressor Impellers. He won the PE Class (8 sec - 32 boats qualified)
at the World Finals at Firebird this fall.
"Anyway, I just wanted to know if that was your Blown red daytona that says HI-TECH PERFORMANCE."
No, That boat belongs to Rick Mott of Independence KS. He is running my old lake motor out of the brown 23 ft'er. (steel rod & heads, cast iron Chevy, w/a B&M Mega Blower). He is a good driver and has 6 National Hi-Points Championships under his belt with this set up in the TE Class. We help sponsor him with Aggressor parts.
There are a lot of good pump builders around this Great Country of ours. And the reason this Country is so Great, is because we have the freedom to choose the pump builder of our individual choice. It is not that one is wrong, and that one is right. Each pump builder has the combination of parts of his choice, and the expertise that works well for them.
Duane HTP
H.B. "This is a forum"- But you get "down right" mean over a personal thing with someone! I called and talked to Steve (Don's Son)@ Dons Pump Service (Dons out of town) about your Junk comment. Steve says thats not his Dad ! and will ask when he gets back. Your comment about Jet Performance or Performance Jet Says -Jet Performance "WHO?" 9 builders this could be, Can you tie it down with the full name & City.
As to Harold Bruce R & D. Its a Fact Harold Runs a Aggressor Impeller- Harold also Runs a Berkeley Bowl- Harold has asked for a 9 Vane Bowl & Pump from us and as right now I have not replaced the one he had for installation which he gave to Dan Kirkman for his boat. Harold ran our 11 Vane bowl and ran a 7.39 ET with this bowl. As Harold did not fatten his motor up on the run He put a quarter size hole in one piston at 1/2 to 5/8 track. YET still showed a personal best 7.39 ET. You need to take your talk to the Race Track- You earn a Jacket that says High Points Champion- There is no Mistake who holds "what" when you see the Jacket!
The Pump Co. you rave about I have yet to see one of thier Pumps in a Drag Boat or at the Races, "could there be a reason" I do see most others. NOW STOP TURNING THIS FORUM INTO A RAG!
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Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
NOW STOP TURNING THIS FORUM INTO A RAG!
NOW STOP TURNING THIS FORUM INTO AN AGGRESSOR MARKETING TOOL!
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
You need to take your talk to the Race Track- You earn a Jacket that says High Points Champion- There is no Mistake who holds "what" when you see the Jacket!
The Pump Co. you rave about I have yet to see one of thier Pumps in a Drag Boat or at the Races, "could there be a reason" I do see most others. NOW STOP TURNING THIS FORUM INTO A RAG!
Dave,
You should really lighten up. In case you can't tell, Randy hasn't been bashing Aggressor, just Chet for his ill founded claims. As a consumer, when I see a manufacturer come in and represent themselves on the boards, I think its great. When I see them start to swap personal blows with others on the forum and make vauge statements that only feed the fire [The Pump Co. you rave about I have yet to see one of thier Pumps in a Drag Boat or at the Races, "could there be a reason" I do see most others.], I think you'll start losing customers. These are just my opinions but I can tell you that if I understood correctly and the statement quoted above was in reference to Berkley, you need to look a little harder. In watching this whole thread unfold,I'd say you picked a bad time to jump in and are defending a position that is not even at stake. I know you do not want to let Aggressor be represented in a bad light, but at this point, you're only contributing to your own problem.
Chris www.liquidaddiction.net (http://www.liquidaddiction.net)
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
H.B. "This is a forum"- But you get "down right" mean over a personal thing with someone! I called and talked to Steve (Don's Son)@ Dons Pump Service (Dons out of town) about your Junk comment. Steve says thats not his Dad ! and will ask when he gets back.
I did call Don's Pump (I don't remember who I spoke with} but I was recommend not to use Aggressor impellers. I was told that he has had too many returns on them. I added the comment (there junk) because that is basically what I got out of the reason not to use them (aluminum that is)
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
Your comment about Jet Performance or Performance Jet Says -Jet Performance "WHO?" 9 builders this could be, Can you tie it down with the full name & City.
I'm lost and have no idea what your talking about here.
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
As to Harold Bruce R & D. Its a Fact Harold Runs a Aggressor Impeller- Harold also Runs a Berkeley Bowl- Harold has asked for a 9 Vane Bowl & Pump from us and as right now I have not replaced the one he had for installation which he gave to Dan Kirkman for his boat. Harold ran our 11 Vane bowl and ran a 7.39 ET with this bowl. As Harold did not fatten his motor up on the run He put a quarter size hole in one piston at 1/2 to 5/8 track. YET still showed a personal best 7.39 ET. You need to take your talk to the Race Track- You earn a Jacket that says High Points Champion- There is no Mistake who holds "what" when you see the Jacket!
Hey, relax Dave, look at what I said "I don't know about the impeller but I can say I do know the bowl and suction piece are not Aggressor." and if you want me to email you a photo of the boat I will be happy to.
Originally posted by AGGRESSOR JETS:
The Pump Co. you rave about I have yet to see one of thier Pumps in a Drag Boat or at the Races, "could there be a reason" I do see most others. NOW STOP TURNING THIS FORUM INTO A RAG!
Are you talking about Legend pumps? I don't rave about any one pump as compared to our friend Chet. Your saying no drag racer is running Legend? Man are you sheltered. Now if your talking about MPD who does pump work for racing and pleasure, you are very much mistaken, or clueless for that matter.
Thanks again for your input Dave, but let's put your money where your mouth is and test your choice of bowl and impeller combo (right out of the box) on a blown 1000hp 19' Ultra Shadow against an out of the box Berkeley JG and Legend Stainless A cut out of the box impeller. I have no idea what the results will be, but I think everyone would be interested in knowing what they are. Here is the link so you can reply.
Dave Aggressor lets put your parts to the test! (http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001757.html)
HBjet http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
Flat Broke has it exactly correct in his last post.
Again, HBJ was just posting his satisfaction with MPD and Chet came in guns ablazing talking crap and being a cheerleader for Aggressor. That and his posts are, at times, not-logical. Again Chet is doing you more dis-service than anyone on the boards...
To Your Challange ? see part 2 of this message with my number. Dave
I apologize to any others I may have cut short in my direction's aim at H.B.
But h.b. called our product "Junk on this forum" and stated anothers name in doing so. Dons Pump. (we are a dealer for Don and this is not how Don does business). I believe in Aggressor with all my heart, what we have done and are doing.
Aggressor gives back to its customer @ $35,000.00 per year available to the Racer-
We dont'demand our product usage, we JUST do it to help.
This year our IHBA Program enters its 5th year,and we are trying to set one up for NJBA.
Go to anyone that has bought a product of ours or asked for help(not second hand used) Aggressor has been there for them. Our Owner started this company for fun and after designing and building pump products for 45 years, felt the industry had been ignored for 30 years in design standards.
I don't have a gun to my head on Aggressor Sales (compaired to Major Brass Foundary Corp. Aggressor amounts to 3% of Gross).
What we do have is Pride in what we do, how we do it and how we treat our customers.
To those that want more, flow/ thrust/we got it and you dont require a blue print job to make it work.
To Those that need blue printing "It works better"
To those that want to Bust Balls on Companys through this forum -Your a Cheap Shot- You dont even pay for this forum. Those listed on the front do!- I don't have time to set here & defend myself or Aggressor on this forum from false statements. Yet I dont want to stop your freedom from discussion- Get It right. Thank You Dave Aggressor (888)246-5075)
Second:
To the One that offered a challange of "Test off"- here we go:
1) I would like it done at the Races.
2)Set up changes will be by TOM Papp and all Aggressor Products will be provided by Tom.
You can bring your guy to!
3)You put the Retail Price -UP Front
A)Mag.Bronze Impeller $695.00 your Horsepower- thats all you need.
if you want a 17-4 Stainless $1350.00 your call
4)The New Aggressor Designed 7Vane Bowl & 9Vane Bowl will both be brought to find your best Performance range. Price Complete with greese fitting, seal, bushings $598.50 7 or 9
Vane.
5)Upon completion of test- You Buy any that run Quicker or faster if Aggressor!
and if the package ends up Aggressor You Put Our Decals & Keep on your Boat 1) Year.
P/S Dual Drive has been testing the last 2 weeks "it works and is strong"