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OK guys, looks like I might be coming to the world of blenders(I think that's what some guys call them?) Anyways, looking to get an Advantage Banshee Tunnel with a 2.4 Mariner EFI and wanted to get any opinions, advice, feedback, anything you can supply to help me make an "Informed" decision. I'm sure you've seen it on dragboats.com.. It's the 1993 in the hot boats section. Does the price seem inline? How about the high compression heads? What are they worth in the used market? Nitrous on an OB? Is that safe? Thanks in advance...
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Mariner and Mercury are one in the same, same company, same motors.
I guess that they were attempting to create their own competition.
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Barney, thanks for taking the time this morning and walking me through the world of outboards... Ivan:D
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I am sure Barney gave you good advice, but here is my $.02.
1. I think the rigging towards the back is sloppy at best. (expanded pictures show back)
2. The colors leave a little to be desired. :rolleyes:
3. The Banshee/Elim. Scorpion never ran as well as most hulls.
4. You could by twice the boat for the same money depending on what you want.
5. I would be concerned buying a used boat rigged with NOS. You don't know how hard he ran it.
Any boat you buy, make sure you have a compression test done or better yet a leak down test. If it were me, I would consider an STV or mirage with a 2.5L stock motor. It will run just as hard as that boat does on NOS and if you buy it from the right person, should be cleaner (rigging, etc). Expect to pay $12K - $15K.
HD
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HD, thanks for your 2 cents! I appreciate all the help/advice I can get regarding outboards. As far as the color, damn, I guess I'm going to have to admit that I like it:rolleyes: .. The rigging doesn't bother me, since I can do it right, BUT I do agree with you about the nitrous. It has been a concern of mine(If I bought it, I would probably take it off anyways) He mentions about NOT using it, but how about the previous owner? And like you said: "How hard was it run?" As far as the STV's, I know those hulls are extremely fast, and will just about out-perform any other tunnel on the market with same powerplants, BUT, I don't like how they look. Also the back seat in them are rather narrow, even for two extremely thin individuals. I guess I should have added that I'm not actually buying this boat, but rather trading for it. Thanks again..
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This is what I found on them, I love those boats:cool: .....( . )( . ).....'s
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High performance is something which Advantage knows very well. K-Boat championships and jet boat records are proof of that. And bred from that tradition is the 20' Banshee, the sleekest high performance modified tunnel hull on the market. The Banshee is both aerodynamically and hydrodynamically designed to move fast on the water ... with stability and cat-like reflexes that will quicken the heart rate. The choice of power is yours ... jet, outboard or stern drive, the Banshee likes them all. If your boating pleasure demands no-compromise performance, select the no compromise boat that out-runs the rest ... Banshee, there's nothing even close.
SPECIFICATIONS Hull Length 20'2"
Beam 86"
Approx. Weight w/Engine 2000
Standard Fuel Capacity 40 gal.
Seating Capacity 6
Transom Angle 12 degrees
Hull Deadrise (Tunnel) 16 degrees
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It won't let me edit this picture into it:D .........( . )( . )......'s
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...hee1.jpg:cool:
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Well then go for it Lakes. Adavantage does build a good boat, not knocking them there. I would recommend a compression test though.
FYI..........Advantage bought the Eliminator Scorpion mold. The two boats were built from the same mold.
HD
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The Banshee is very similar to the Rapid Craft Riot. I hear nitrous really makes those outboards run.
Havasu Dreamin,
Somehow I think if the Banshee was set up right and running nitrous it would spank the Mirage or the STV in the 1/4 mile.
This is just what I've heard I have no real experience.:D
Are you going to BBSP?
You Te
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Lakes, not all the STV's are so narrow at the back. The older Pro Comp Ski (like mine) and the River Rocket are, but take a look at a Euro Ski. Full size rear bench or 2 buckets in the back. They are pretty much the fastest O/B boat of that size. You are going to spend a little more for a Euro than a RR or PCS though.
I didn't see the thread/ad for the boat, so I can't comment further, but what year 2.4 is it? Is it a Bridgeport? What mid and lower is on it?
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Originally posted by You Te
Are you going to BBSP? You Te
Not this year. Wife is prego, and other priorities n what not? :(
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HD...Love to see your nasty 19 Eliminator Daytona at a BBSP. Maybe next year we can hook up. I am ready for a ride in that blue and white bad boy of yours.:D
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Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
FYI..........Advantage bought the Eliminator Scorpion mold. The two boats were built from the same mold.
HD
Not that it matters much, but we didn't buy the molds from Eliminator, just splashed it. Basically same boat, but there were a few small, meaningless changes made to the deck.
We built a Banshee with a single carbed SBC to go after the ETII record and the record still stands today, something like 118mph I think. That was the only I/O we ever did with that boat. It was super ****in ugly with the X raised so the prop shaft was even with the keel. The engine sat a mile high. raced the Mississippi race with it twice, one DNF and one first in class, and raced the Parker enduro too. I think it was down to 5 hours by then, late 80's, maybe 1990. Thing hauled ass in that race til the first turn, flipped the boat and sunk...DOH!
Build many outboards which are very cool, and lots of jets with that boat. The jet sucks, a very wet, slow ride.
Someone on this board, ducky I think, bought the molds from Advantage last year. Anyone know if he's built a boat yet?
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Learn something new everyday. :) I heard through the grapevine that Advantage had bought the molds from Elim. It made since to me at the time because Eliminator stopped making the Scorpion about the time that Advantage started with the Banshee (to the best of my recolection).
At any rate, thanks for setting the record straight.
HD
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Ducky has completed the bottom, and is in the process of finishing the cap....
as soon as she is done, I'm sure he will post pictures and info...
sid
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No wonder Ducky was asking me to send him photos of the bottom of my Riot.
You Te
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Originally posted by vishus
Ducky has completed the bottom, and is in the process of finishing the cap....
as soon as she is done, I'm sure he will post pictures and info...
sid
Fiberglass Reformations bought the Advantage molds.
They did Reform the bottom.
The boat is complete but I don't think we'll be hearing much about it from them. Seems with all their infinate wisdom they can not get the boat to run over 60 mph. :D :D
Now that's a Riot. ;)
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I was wondering what was going on with that project. It looked pretty good when I saw it.
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They must be in the wind tunnel testing various stabilizer wing designs.
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Barney, was that 60 MPH pass on the bottle with a 32 wheel?:D :eek:
You Te
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It's not the boat, its the monkey motor!!!
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Too bad the pics just don't upload like they used to.
Mow,
Wicky
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Originally posted by You Te
No wonder Ducky was asking me to send him photos of the bottom of my Riot.
You Te
Barney took me by FR to meet Ducky and check out that project when I was in Havasu. It was a nice looking boat and almost done being rigged when I was there.
The thing I could never put together was that I was told you (You Te) had sent Ducky a bunch of shots of your Riot bottom but when I was there, Ducky knew all about the Riot. In fact, he mentioned several problems with the Riot hull they fixed with their modifications.
I didn't ask too many questions. They all seemed pretty hyped or maybe they were as high as I was from the resin fumes.
For what it's worth, I hope they get it sorted out. Maybe they'll have to un-fix some aspects of the boat but it's a nice looking hull and it would be great if it turned into a good runner.
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In fact, he mentioned several problems with the Riot hull they fixed with their modifications.
You Te say - Rapid Riot varee slow boat.
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Originally posted by sorry dog
You Te say - Rapid Riot varee slow boat.
That's it Dog... I'm coming over to your place and I'm going to kick your ass. :mad:
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**** you asshole Canatard.
Bring your **** buddy Nate too - I'll make both of yalls asses look like yesterdays bean burrito.
My homie Marc from Arizona is here to back me up
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The last time Nate said he would get my back he quietly disappeared and I didn't see him for days. Anyway, I don't need him. Nobody does.
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Sure is hard to get a good rim job these daze.
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You guy's are killing me!:D
You Te
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My homie Marc is gonna show up to BBSP and kick all yalls asses.
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I understand Sorry Dog.:D
You Te
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Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
Well then go for it Lakes. Adavantage does build a good boat, not knocking them there. I would recommend a compression test though.
FYI..........Advantage bought the Eliminator Scorpion mold. The two boats were built from the same mold.
HD
The Scorpion and Banshee are not the exact same boat. They are more like "Fraternal Twins" The Banshe has a molded in ridge for a plexi-glass windshield, and the Scorpion has a recess in the deck ridge where the Banshee comes to a slight peak. Also, the outer sponsons come back about 6" further on a Scorpion than a Banshee.
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I will post pics of mine when the roll of film is out. The first boat is together, but still in R&D. We would prefer not to post any pics until it's perfect. My boat will have the most agressive bottom changes, hopefully drag racing worthy. All of these hulls (Scorpion, Banshee, and Riot) tend to drag their ass, with the Advantage version being the worst offender, and the Riot performing the best. I am trying to change that.......
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I heard that the riot was just a rough base of the scorpion but really a completely different boat top to bottom and thats why there is such a difference in performance and handling of the boat. I am assuming you guys redesigned the deck because that was a major problem for those boats compared to the riot.The riots dash sits back 9in compared the scorpion because the cg was off on the other two for outboards.
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My boat will have the most agressive bottom changes, hopefully drag racing worthy.
Is a fire extinguisher standard equipment?
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Ducky,
The Riot don't drag it's ass to bad when I hit the little magic button.:D :D :D :D
You Te
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The Riot don't drag it's ass to bad when I hit the little magic button.
Where's Chop master Wicky when ya need'em?
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Originally posted by You Te
Ducky,
The Riot don't drag it's ass to bad when I hit the little magic button.:D :D :D :D
You Te
It would if you had a stock 200 on it.... But YOU have enough power to push my kitchen table down the drag strip in about 9 seconds!
PS, I meant the overall attitude of the boat, as in kinda nose high, and tail draggin, instead of flat and high like an STV or mirage. I didn't mean slow. Aw to hell with it, here is a pic of the first boat we built.
Inside...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...76scan-med.jpg
Outside....
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...an0002-med.jpg
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I split the S&F shiznit off to a seperate thread since this thread does have useful discussion. Lets keep it on topic. More of that stuff here and I'll lock it again permanently. Take that stuff to bench racers please.
