Originally posted by HBjet:
Now Chet, I have stated before, I did not need to do any Aggressor bowl testing because a professional who has done the testing with the exact same hull as I have told me there is no difference.
<<<<< Man hb this is long! I started this new thread to keep it short and sweet and to the point but not you! Anyways..here goes. So every bowl and every impeller resulted in NO CHANGE is what your telling me? Care to give exact numbers since your so thorough? Ought to have them right there beside you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Don't get me wrong, I did ask Jack about getting an Aggressor bowl, but the price of a new bowl, plus cleaning it up is more then converting my JC to a JG and blue printing it. So why are you knocking me to spend more money?
<<<< i'm knocking you because that is alot of money to convert what essentially is a $25.00 bowl when you can have current technology for roughly 30% more. Why not even just by a used JG bowl for maybe a couple hundred??( i saw a used one for $50bucks last year) As you have said, if this conversion is soooo ggggreat, why isnt everybody doing it then??>>>>>>
I even looked at an Aggressor impeller next to a Berkeley and a Legend, all factory direct and they were all untouched. The Berkeley looked like crap, the Aggressor was just a little better, and the Legend was a lot better, but for max performance the Legend would need a lot LESS work.
<<<<<< well hb, i just tonight took the time and looked at all the above and while the legend was a used impeller,it looks a little meatier then the others(i'll give you that)I dont think its any better(meatier yes, better no). Besides, if they are so great, why dont you see or hear more about them??? Aside from you and a few others on here, i hear ZIPPO! I wouldnt say the berk looked like CRAP either.(not as nice as the other two)..it looks like a factory impeller. You know the ones that have been used forever.( i can see rick at CP when he sells his stuff, "well sir..(clearing his throat)...ummmm......when you buy my impeller here see...aside from paying good money for it your going to have to REWORK THE WHOLE THING before you install it to get max perf...aside from that your berk will run as new, understand?) Your just plain goofy hb you know that?? Now as for the "one and only impeller"... hmmmmmm...i'd like to know what does "just a little better than crap" look like anyways??? All i see is a lean, mean, black powdercoated, ready to run impeller(lakeboat use) with blades that are as sharp as they need to be...a blunt 1/32 edge(any sharper and they would cut you finger) I didnt know when you pay good money for brand new parts, you have to PAY EXTRA to TOTALLY reconstruct them so they work right. Dont get me wrong, if your racing and every little bit counts then i'm sure you could fine tune it somehow but in a regular HP lake boat...... "just a little better than crap"????? Who are you BS'in HB??>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I called Don's pump and I believe the other was HI-Performance. Don's said for sure not to use Aggressor, they were all junk. HI-PERFORMANCE said Aggressor is still new to the pump business, and they just need to do more homework and didn't recommend them.
<<<<<<<<< AH..i remember now, you did say you called hi performance boats in michigan. (Word has it he runs a hydro you know..maybe it's slowboat in disguise?) Forgive me but i thought you said you didnt get an answer? I thought i mentioned you call hi-tech performance.(hmmm, i said inducer and jetaway remember?) You know the one whose website is plastered with aggressor from one end to the other? Afraid to hear what he has to say HB??? From what i noticed on the other board a while back that guy has a 23FT tunnel that runs 110mph with aggressor stuff. TWENTY THREE FEET HB! TWENTY THREE!. 110mph naturally asperated lake boat! Now THAT is impressive, period! He must be new like aggressor is new eh? BTW, what do you consider "new" in the pump biz? 2yr? 5yr?10yr? Too new for this testing that was done on your boat maybe????? Tell me tell me tell me!........>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, I also heard there are a lot of warranty returns on Aggressor impellers because the fins would crack off. When looking at the impeller, you could see where it was going to break, just a matter of time.
<<<<<<<<<<<< yes i HEARD that too! My next one is going to be free WHEN and IF it breaks or cracks. HMMM..i'm looking at my 2yr 700hp "b" aluminum impeller drinking my coffee right now bud. I'm lookin......lookin.....and... i see.... NOTHING! Ready to go back in and GRANADE! (my A$$ to 90mph that is)>>>>>>>>>
So, for the record, I didn't need to test my boat because it has already been done.
<<<<<<<<<< As stated above hb, what were the RESULTS with the aggressor?(or any for that matter) My original question incase you forgot. I want numbers boy! numbers!>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your hull, I don't know? You said you tried a new Berk bowl since your original bowl was all messed up and you found the Aggressor was better For You. Chet, you claim in one of the above quotes that when you rebuilt the pump with Aggressor stuff, you had a gain of 12mph. (60mph + 8mph from the intake grate + pump rebuild = 80mph) So if you had that much of a gain from the rebuild using the Aggressor stuff, what were your results with a rebuild using the Berkeley Stuff?
<<<<<<<<<<<<< No HB, i never said i tried a berk bowl or berk stuff, everything was done aggressor. I will though just for you. FYI, i had a JC bowl that was beat up but i wanted a split bowl. BTW, I'll sell you that bowl so you can do that magical conversion if you want.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you didn't test it (Which you sound like you have) anyone can tell you that 1. Your original Berkeley was so thrashed that any rebuild kit you use you will see a big difference. 2. With a pump that thrashed, you chose Aggressor because of a cost issue, not a performance one, and you comparing bowls (your thrashed Berkeley to a new Aggressor) you will totally see a difference. So basically, you have only tried one solution not realizing that with your pump so thrashed, any solution would give you the same results, and since your a do-it-yourselfer guy, and you got the boat for next to nothing, your going to use the solution which has the best cost/performance ratio, which happens to be Aggressor.
<<<<<<<<<<<< GREAT observation rahndy, To bad your a little off on your asessment. Granted the price was right but i looked at two JG bowls(one massaged,one stock),one good JC(one you love),my bowl(JC)and a domninator(stock) before i made my decision.(scientific "bowls on the floor" study right? LOL.) I could have bought any one but if you fully understand the theory behind it, you realize it's the better bowl. That's why i chose it. Performance. Besides everything your going to do to that JC(and pretty much every other bowl) is already done with aggressor.>>>>>>>>>>
So Chet, post the numbers, you said you did the testing between the two, I told you before I have not and I don't need to.
<<<<<< I let you know on that when i do it this season my friend, good or bad. I cant wait actually, love being the underdog you know. As far as you not needing to...of course not. Like you said it was already done right? SO THEN, WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I POLITELY ASKED FOR?>>>>>>
Be happy you will always be one up on me
<<<<<<<<< ummmm....right now hb it's about 10...this season should be 20 unless you start working on making your boat go faster. Oops that's right everythings already been done. GEEZ to be stuck at 70....what a shame hb! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm waiting...AGAIN. Short and sweet this time k???
[This message has been edited by HBjet (edited January 21, 2002).]