Knowledge is power

[steelcomp]

The Country's postion on Mr. Bush is a reflection and result of Mr. Bush's actions, or lack there of, and surely not the result of a political platform of the left. So you don't think there's any influence by the blatently left media in what this country "thinks" of Bush?
Pull your head out of the sand and come up for air.
It is my believe that the masses are generally as educated as you and I. Anger and fear affect us all. There are just differences in what we fear and why we are angry What on earth does that mean?? Another arrogant assumption on yout part that you can speak for the masses. Unfortunately, you're right in that you and the masses generally sit in front of the TV and think they're "educated". I mean, after all...it's on the news...it has to be true, dosen't it? :notam:

[steelcomp]

What has Mr. Bush done for the us of a in the time he was in office, not foriegn policy, domestic policy.Three things right off the bat...created millions of jobs, put money back in people's pockets with tax cuts, and we haven't been attacked again since 911, but I'm sure you'll be able to pick those apart since that's what you're so good at.
It's been clear for years that according to the "haters" (like you, Blown) that if Bush single handedly discovered a cure for cancer, it wouldn't matter...you'd find a way to blame cancer on him, anyway.

[steelcomp]

I just believe, for many reasons, that this Country has out grown the EC. Never intended to imply that the EC is without merit, I just happen to believe that a popular vote system would serve our country better during this period of time. We just don't agree.Here in lies the problem. The country has grown away from too many of it's fundamentals, like the EC. The problam isn't the EC...it's tha fact that the country is so scerewed up that things like the EC aren't as effective as they should be. The solution would be to find a way to bring this country back to it's foundation of principals, not move further away. A popular vote system would be a disaster in all the ways the founding fathers predicted, and caused them to create the EC system. I don't think there's a "politician" today, or even a group of them, who could come up with what our founding fathers came up with. They were men way ahead of their time, and the better we can stick with what they created, the better off we'll be. It's really pretty simple.

[Blown 472]

Three things right off the bat...created millions of jobs, put money back in people's pockets with tax cuts, and we haven't been attacked again since 911, but I'm sure you'll be able to pick those apart since that's what you're so good at.
It's been clear for years that according to the "haters" (like you, Blown) that if Bush single handedly discovered a cure for cancer, it wouldn't matter...you'd find a way to blame cancer on him, anyway.
Created millions of jobs?? where? oh 300 whole dollars?? what else you got?

[Rexone]

Get it back in the rhelm of the topic please. You wanna bash Bush start a thread on it. The subject is old and it's not gonna pollute this thread.

[Schiada76]

[QUOTE=ULTRA26 # 1;2422968]The Country's postion on Mr. Bush is a reflection and result of Mr. Bush's actions, or lack there of, and surely not the result of a political platform of the left.
Please clarify how the EC prevents a charismatic politician from being elected at any time. It seems to me that charismatic politicians generally win, EC or popular.
It is my believe that the masses are generally as educated as you and I. Anger and fear affect us all. There are just differences in what we fear and why we are angry.
No, thank you!
Once again you've proven my point on many previous threads.
Just the sight of the Presidents name and all liberals immediatley go into attack mode. You are hopelessly brain washed.
This thread and my post was about the electoral college, not the president.
There are dozens of I hate Bush treads on this forum, post in one of those or stick to the topic at hand.

[Blown 472]

[QUOTE=ULTRA26 # 1;2422968]The Country's postion on Mr. Bush is a reflection and result of Mr. Bush's actions, or lack there of, and surely not the result of a political platform of the left.
Please clarify how the EC prevents a charismatic politician from being elected at any time. It seems to me that charismatic politicians generally win, EC or popular.
It is my believe that the masses are generally as educated as you and I. Anger and fear affect us all. There are just differences in what we fear and why we are angry.
No thank you!
Once again you've proven my point on many previous threads.
Just the sight of the Presidents name and all liberals immediatley go into attack mode. You are hopelessly brain washed.
This thread and my post was about the electoral college, not the president.
There are dozens of I hate Bush treads on this forum, post in one of those or stick to the topic at hand.
The masses are educated? and tv doesn't influance their choices?

[Schiada76]

Maybe the following example will help you understand my point, I doubt it but will try anyway.
Let's imagine that Hillary was not trying to hide the fact that she is an avowed socialist but instead conducting her campaign trying to hide the fact that she is really a devoted Communist (not really a hard stretch).
Now the media in this country has been brainwashing the masses for the entire current administrations term and it's working very well. Just suppose that a Communist is on the verge on winning the presidential election. The members of the Electoral College have not just the full right but the full responsibility to prevent that from happening.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Maybe the following example will help you understand my point, I doubt it but will try anyway.
Let's imagine that Hillary was not trying to hide the fact that she is an avowed socialist but instead conducting her campaign trying to hide the fact that she is really a devoted Communist (not really a hard stretch).
Now the media in this country has been brainwashing the masses for the entire current administrations term and it's working very well. Just suppose that a Communist is on the verge on winning the presidential election. The members of the Electoral College have not just the full right but the full responsibility to prevent that from happening.
Point well taken. However, I think to use such a point you must consider the issue in reverse. The EC also has the power to to put in power who they choose, Communist or otherwise. I am of the belief that the current administration didn't need any help (brainwashing) from the so called leftist media. The current admistration's policies and actions, have spoken for themselves.
In response to Blown's question, yes I believe that the masses are educated.
Generally speaking, the influance of one's parents or family, plays a large part in one's political views, ie more dems have dems as parents and so on. Also, education and intelligence are not synonymous. I also believe that religion plays a much greater role, when electing a President, than it should. Example, there is a new vaccine that, if administered to females at an early age, would geatly reduce a woman's chance of developing cervical cancer. There is a movement that is opposing this significant medical breakthrough, based on some convoluted morality. This is absurd and is becomeing a political issue. Because a candidate for President shares some people's religious beliefs, doesn't mean that he/she is qualified to lead the Country. The most common form of voter ignorance, IMO
There are media attempts to brainwash from both sides. I think it's called free speach. The masses are aware of that electing Mr. Bush, for a 2nd term was a mistake. As foolish as it is, it's human nature to have to learn things the hard way. Hopefully, this Country has done just that and will consider their newly acquired knowledge, in the future.
Just my opinion.
John M

[Schiada76]

Point well taken. However, I think to use such a point you must consider the issue in reverse. The EC also has the power to to put in power who they choose, Communist or otherwise. I am of the belief that the current administration didn't need any help (brainwashing) from the so called leftist media. The current admistration's policies and actions, have spoken for themselves.
In response to Blown's question, yes I believe that the masses are educated.
Generally speaking, the influance of one's parents or family, plays a large part in one's political views, ie more dems have dems as parents and so on. Also, education and intelligence are not synonymous. I also believe that religion plays a much greater role, when electing a President, than it should. Example, there is a new vaccine that, if administered to females at an early age, would geatly reduce a woman's chance of developing cervical cancer. There is a movement that is opposing this significant medical breakthrough, based on some convoluted morality. This is absurd and is becomeing a political issue. Because a candidate for President shares some people's religious beliefs, doesn't mean that he/she is qualified to lead the Country. The most common form of voter ignorance, IMO
There are media attempts to brainwash from both sides. I think it's called free speach. The masses are aware of that electing Mr. Bush, for a 2nd term was a mistake. As foolish as it is, it's human nature to have to learn things the hard way. Hopefully, this Country has done just that and will consider their newly acquired knowledge, in the future.
Just my opinion.
John M
Name one time in our history where the EC put someone of their choosing into power? The debate is wheter or not the EC is usefull ,I think I'll go with the founding fathers on that one. They were just a little tiny bit brighter than most don't you think?
On the "new vaccine" front do you have the faintest idea of what you're talking about? It's a vaccine for VD!
It's not a "convulted morality" issue. It's about our own rights. Do you actually think it's ok to pass a law mandating everyone's female children be vaccinated for VD????????????????????? Every single person in this country has open access to the vaccine, go ahead vaccinate your daughter if want so she can go banging around when ever she wants. Just don't make it a LAW that everyone has too!!
You really support a law like that?
If you won't admit that the media in this country is 99% left wing you're nothing but a leftist ideologue.