Yeah, running in the shit is a totaly different world, if you got the right boat, it's awesome, Grier Rush took me out in his GN at Red Rock last week, man what a blast, we were running right around 85 for about 4 miles, never backed out once, we went over 3ft rollers and chop like it was nothing, when we got back, his friend said he saw a house under the boat as we went down river, we had to be at least 5ft out of the water, sure didn't feel like it!...That's what I want!!!!....