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  1. #31
    BrendellaJet
    Im a dumb harley mechanic and was thinking about doing the same to my boat this winter. I have a couple questions...Why is the ammeter a fire hazard? And I see alot of boats using butt connectors. Wouldnt it be alot stronger to solder every connection? Just a couple rookie questions for the jet boat gurus.
    The ammeter is a hazard because it has full system voltage running through it, not just to it, but through it. A volt meter has fused power running to it.

  2. #32
    GAWnCA
    here are all the before pics i could find there are 2 pages
    http://www.msnusers.com/martinoboat/wiring.msnw?Page=1
    Do you think it's a good idea to have the terminal block located right in the path of back-wash? I never have understood why people do it this way.
    I does look like you have/had the same mess I'm looking at. I don't have a terminal block anywhere, though.
    I think I'll check out Molex and see what kind of snap/locking connectors I can get so that I can disconnect wire runs as I might need to.

  3. #33
    PC Rat
    Do you think it's a good idea to have the terminal block located right in the path of back-wash?
    I've wondered that myself. I mounted mine up high on the transom.
    I used the non-insulated terminals and bulk heat shrink tubing with the glue in it. I figure that if I crimp it first, I don't risk breaking through the insulation. The crimp for a non-insulated terminal seems a little tougher than insulated also. I've heard some people say that soldering the connection makes it more brittle - I don't know.
    Here's another color chart:
    Blk -Grounds-General
    Blk/Brn -Pump Grounds
    Blk/Red -Voltmeter Grounds
    Blk/Org -Isolated Accessory Grounds
    Blk/Yel -ignition stop
    Blk/Grn -Water Level Sender Ground
    Blk/Blu -Lighting Grounds
    Blk/Gry -Nav Light Grounds
    Blk/Wht -Battery Parallel Solenoid
    Brown -Pumps-General, Bilge or Sump (Manually Switched)(Also alternator starter to Ign.)
    Brn/Red -Pumps, Bilge or Sump
    Brn/Org -Power feed to Auto Bilge Switches-Pumps, Fuel/Oil Tranfer or Priming
    Brn/Yel -Baitwell or Aerator
    Brn/Grn -Fresh Water Pump/Water Maker
    Brn/Blu -Head Pump
    Brn/Vio -Washdown Pump
    Brn/Wht -trim pos sender
    Red - Battery Feeds Unprotected
    Red/Vio -Misc. Accy. Main Feed Protected (fused) from batt to trim panel.
    Pink -Fuel Sender
    Org/Blk -Audio System Feed
    Org/Brn -Electric Head-Sanitation System
    Org/Red -Wiper Port
    Orange -Accessories common feed- Dist Panel to Acc switch-Anode Electrode-Mercathode
    Org/Yel -Diesel Pre-heat
    Org/Grn -Wiper Stbd
    Org/Blu -Communications Equipment
    Org/Vio -Navigation Equipment
    Org/Wht -Wiper Center
    Yel/Blk -Choke - Neutral saftey trans mounted
    Yel/Red -Start Solenoid(starting circut), Neutral Safety
    Yel/Org -Powered Ventilation, Fans
    Yellow -Bilge Blowers -(also alternator DC output)
    Yel/Wht -Rudder Angle Sender
    Grn/Red -Stop Solenoid/Kill Switch
    Grn/Yel -AC Grounding
    Green -Bonding
    Grn/Wht -Engine Trim in and or tilt down
    Grn/Org -Engine Independent Trim down
    Blu/Blk -Cabin Lights
    Blu/Brn -Oil Temp Send
    Blu/Red -Cabin or Cockpit Lights Port
    Blu/Org -Engine Independent Tilt Up
    Blu/Yel -Lighting Circuits to Remote Send
    Blu/Grn -Cabin or Cockpit Lights Stbd
    Blu -Instrument & General Lighting
    Blu/Vio -Courtesy, Boarding Lighting
    Blu/Wht -Engine Trim Outand/or Tilt Up
    Light Blue -Oil Pressure
    Vio/Red -Eng. or Generator B+ from Breaker
    Vio/Yel -I/O Trim Up (ballast bypass)
    Vio/Grn -I/O Trim Down
    Vio -12v Ignition-Generator or Engine
    Vio/Wht -Trim "Trailer" switch
    Gry/Blk -Mast Light
    Gry/Red -Spotlight Remote
    Gry/Org -Docking Lights
    Gry/Grn -Strobe or Beacon
    Gry/Blu -Spreader/Flood Lights
    Gry/Vio -Windlass/Winch
    Gray -Navigation (running) Lights, Tach. Send
    Gry/Wht -Anchor Light
    Wht/Brn -Temp. Alarm or Indicator
    Wht/Red -Fuel Alarm or Indicator -((Ignition module to Dist.)Mercury Thunderbolt Ignition)
    Wht/Org -Fire Alarm or Indicator
    Wht/Yel -Air Flow Alarm or Indicator
    Wht/Grn -Water Press/Flow Alarm or Indicator - ((Ignition module to Dist.)Mercury Thunderbolt Ignition)
    Wht/Blu -Oil Press Alarm or Indicator
    Wht/Vio -Voltage Alarm or Indicator
    White -General Alarm Usage, Yamaha Kill Switch
    Tan - Water Temp sender
    Tan/Blu -Warning system sense wire (Audio warning)
    Pink -Fuel sender

  4. #34
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    Apparently I spent more time under the dash than taking pics, but you can get a idea what's involved.
    First layout your gauges the way you want them. This will determine how the circuits layout behind the dash. This is why I dislike the readymade harnesses... they often times determine your gauge layout.
    http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/wire4.jpg
    Next, take a little time to measure the terminal spacing and make a sketch. Better yet, take a piece of scrap plywood, cut your holes as they are in the dash and mount your gauges to it. Do as much as you can on the bench, not on your back. As you can see, I used a copy of the wiring diagram that Cas posted as a starting point.
    http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/wire1.jpg
    Make sure you leave plenty of wire to make the runs to the engine and other components. Doing as much as you can on the bench also makes it easier to solder the connectors.
    Make sure you know which circuits are where and how you will route them.
    http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/wire3.jpg
    I mounted the fuse block under the dash to keep it dry and make the layout cleaner. I chose an ATC style fuse block 'cuz you can find them ANYWHERE.

  5. #35
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    Oh, one more thing. Practice daisychaining connectors for feeds and grounds. It'll save you a TON of time, and will make a much cleaner layout. The downside is you must do a LOT more planning before starting for it to come out right.
    http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/wire5.jpg

  6. #36
    GAWnCA
    Oh, one more thing. Practice daisychaining connectors for feeds and grounds. It'll save you a TON of time, and will make a much cleaner layout. The downside is you must do a LOT more planning before starting for it to come out right.
    http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/wire5.jpg
    This is where the mock-up dash panel would really come in handy. You could make up the entire harness, wrap it up and be ready to just bolt to the gauges when you re-install them in the dash. Where do you get your terminals and preglued shrink tubing?

  7. #37
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    This is where the mock-up dash panel would really come in handy. You could make up the entire harness, wrap it up and be ready to just bolt to the gauges when you re-install them in the dash. Where do you get your terminals and preglued shrink tubing?
    You could make up the dash and finish the harness after you've routed it in the hull, but you get the idea how much easier it is to do whatever you can on the bench.
    The majority of the supplies were bought in bulk at a local electronic supply (Orvac). I don't bother using readymade harnesses or repairing a POS harness anymore..... it's easier to make a new one.

  8. #38
    GAWnCA
    You could make up the dash and finish the harness after you've routed it in the hull, but you get the idea how much easier it is to do whatever you can on the bench.
    The majority of the supplies were bought in bulk at a local electronic supply (Orvac). I don't bother using readymade harnesses or repairing a POS harness anymore..... it's easier to make a new one.
    I tried using their web site and it goes to no where!

  9. #39
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    Their site sucks, but since I'm local, I just head over and stock up. You'll need to do some poking around and find a supplier in your area. It really helps having one local when you need a 16ga lug for a 3/8" stud. You don't need 100 of them, but when you need it, you need it.

  10. #40
    GAWnCA
    Their site sucks, but since I'm local, I just head over and stock up. You'll need to do some poking around and find a supplier in your area. It really helps having one local when you need a 16ga lug for a 3/8" stud. You don't need 100 of them, but when you need it, you need it.
    I've got a good electronic supplies place here in town the problem is it's down town and I hate going down there, but for this project it may be the best thing to do and just buy a few extra of everything.

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