Speaking of S-chip

[never_fast_enuf]

Ultra mentioned he thought it was a terrible that Bush vetoed the democrats bill of a 35 Billion boondoggle expansion of this bill, instead, insisting on a 5 Billion increase.
Ultra, is THIS what you consider fiscal responsible spending?
After 12-year-old Graeme Frost delivered the Democrats' weekly radio address with a plea to Bush to sign the bill. A contributor to the conservative Web site Free Republic noted Graeme's enrollment in the private Park School and the sale of a smaller rowhouse on the Frosts' block for $485,000 this year and questioned whether the family should be taking advantage of the state program.
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The Frosts say the description of their family's circumstances now circulating is misleading. Halsey, they say, is a self-employed woodworker - he has no employees - while Bonnie works part time for a medical publishing firm. Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.
That would make the Frosts eligible for Maryland's Children's Health Program, which is open to families that earn no more than 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or $82,830 a year for a family of six.
The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns...
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Halsey Frost purchased the family home for $55,000 in 1990, according to city records, and refinanced in 2005, he says, to make improvements to accommodate the return of Graeme and Gemma from the hospital. The 1936 brick rowhouse, on a side street near Patterson Park, has an assessed value of $263,140.
Halsey Frost purchased a 1920 warehouse in East Baltimore for $160,000 in 1999, according to city records. It is assessed at $160,500. Frost says he is still paying off the mortgages on both properties.
The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say. In addition, they say, Gemma receives money from the city for special education made necessary by her injuries.
Lets see...this kids father owns his own business, including the building...lives in a 500K house...sends two of his children to a private school that costs 20K per student yet he is on public assistance for health care?
Ultra, THIS is what you wanted Bush to expand by 35 BILLION??? For once Bush decided to be fiscally responsible and you slam him for it. What gives?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra mentioned he thought it was a terrible that Bush vetoed the democrats bill of a 35 Billion boondoggle expansion of this bill, instead, insisting on a 5 Billion increase.
Ultra, is THIS what you consider fiscal responsible spending?
After 12-year-old Graeme Frost delivered the Democrats' weekly radio address with a plea to Bush to sign the bill. A contributor to the conservative Web site Free Republic noted Graeme's enrollment in the private Park School and the sale of a smaller rowhouse on the Frosts' block for $485,000 this year and questioned whether the family should be taking advantage of the state program.
SNIP
The Frosts say the description of their family's circumstances now circulating is misleading. Halsey, they say, is a self-employed woodworker - he has no employees - while Bonnie works part time for a medical publishing firm. Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.
That would make the Frosts eligible for Maryland's Children's Health Program, which is open to families that earn no more than 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or $82,830 a year for a family of six.
The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns...
SNIP
Halsey Frost purchased the family home for $55,000 in 1990, according to city records, and refinanced in 2005, he says, to make improvements to accommodate the return of Graeme and Gemma from the hospital. The 1936 brick rowhouse, on a side street near Patterson Park, has an assessed value of $263,140.
Halsey Frost purchased a 1920 warehouse in East Baltimore for $160,000 in 1999, according to city records. It is assessed at $160,500. Frost says he is still paying off the mortgages on both properties.
The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say. In addition, they say, Gemma receives money from the city for special education made necessary by her injuries.
Lets see...this kids father owns his own business, including the building...lives in a 500K house...sends two of his children to a private school that costs 20K per student yet he is on public assistance for health care?
Ultra, THIS is what you wanted Bush to expand by 35 BILLION??? For once Bush decided to be fiscally responsible and you slam him for it. What gives?
I didn't slam the President I said I believed the veto was wrong, and I still do.
You were the one misquoting parts of what the bill was about, The bill removed the adults from the roles that Bush has allowed.

[never_fast_enuf]

I didn't slam the President I said I believed the veto was wrong, and I still do.
You were the one misquoting parts of what the bill was about, The bill removed the adults from the roles that Bush has allowed.
On one hand, you SAY you are for fiscal restraint yet on the other hand, you are for an expansion of a program that is already being abuses. You want this same program to now include the middle class. When does it become our own personal responsibility to ensure we are taking care of the most basic items in life...like our own healthcare?
What did I misrepresent? How can you say you are for fiscal responsibility yet be FOR this bill? Are you also for Hillary's 5K per baby plan? How about her 1K per person 401K plan? How about her socialized medicine plan Ultra? For that as well?
How in the hell are we going to pay for the socialization of America Ultra? Why are you for the socialization of America Ultra? Do you not understand that socialism has never ever worked?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

On one hand, you SAY you are for fiscal restraint yet on the other hand, you are for an expansion of a program that is already being abuses. You want this same program to now include the middle class. When does it become our own personal responsibility to ensure we are taking care of the most basic items in life...like our own healthcare?
What did I misrepresent? How can you say you are for fiscal responsibility yet be FOR this bill? Are you also for Hillary's 5K per baby plan? How about her 1K per person 401K plan? How about her socialized medicine plan Ultra? For that as well?
How in the hell are we going to pay for the socialization of America Ultra? Why are you for the socialization of America Ultra? Do you not understand that socialism has never ever worked?
God you are annoying! Like a gnat I'll respond later when can find a little more patience for your BS.

[never_fast_enuf]

God you are annoying! Like a gnat I'll respond later when can find a little more patience for your BS.
I know...details aren't your strong suit.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

On one hand, you SAY you are for fiscal restraint yet on the other hand, you are for an expansion of a program that is already being abuses. You want this same program to now include the middle class. When does it become our own personal responsibility to ensure we are taking care of the most basic items in life...like our own healthcare?
What did I misrepresent? How can you say you are for fiscal responsibility yet be FOR this bill? Are you also for Hillary's 5K per baby plan? How about her 1K per person 401K plan? How about her socialized medicine plan Ultra? For that as well?
How in the hell are we going to pay for the socialization of America Ultra? Why are you for the socialization of America Ultra? Do you not understand that socialism has never ever worked?
Maybe you aren't aware of the cost of medical insurance for an average family. $1,000 + a month, in many cases, is more than many families can afford. Basic items in life are food, a home, clothes and transportaion for the bread winners to get to and from their jobs. With todays inflated housing prices, any household making less than 50K, no doubt should find it hard to impossible to maintain the cost of health insurance. I don't see expanding the Federal child health care system, funded by an additional tobacco tax, as a bad thing.
You misrepresented that the recent health care bill was going to cover some 35 y/o's. The recent bill contained language to the contrary. Of course I'm not in favor of a $5000 bond or Federal 401K donation. From what I understand, none of the health care plans by any of the candidates, Republican or Democrat equate to socialized medicine. I am absolultly not for Govt run hospitals.
I'm not in to passing our debt onto my grandchildren. If this means paying a bit more than I will be happy to pay more. However, until I can clearly see that the Govt is operating efficiently, I will oppose income tax increases.
I'm not for socialization of America and you shouldn't make comments that have no factual bases. If you had your way, there would be no social programs from our Govt including SS and Medicare. So we do differ. Big F'n deal. You are in no position to preach to me or anyone else considering how little Republicans have done to control how my tax dollars have been spent in recent years.
I understand that the system is broken and it will take serious change to fix this. Sorry that I don't have much faith that Democrats or Republicans, by themselves have what it takes make is better. However, only time will tell.

[Boatcop]

I wonder where the figures are coming from for Insurance rates of $1,000 or more per month?
Granted, I haven't paid for private Insurance for several years, but when I did (for my son, age 10 to 22-in college) it ran about $70 bucks a month.
So I checked Current Blue Cross/Blue Shield PPO rates.
In California one plan I checked ran $140-$189 for Family with Younger Spouse age below 30. Up to $231-$306, age 50-54. (rates depend on location in CA) Rates can go a lot lower with higher deductible.
In AZ, coverage would be around $400. (Can be higher or lower, depending on deductible and specific plan)
There's something really wrong with the way a family spends their money, if they can't budget 3% ($82,500) to 5% (45,000) of their annual income for Health Insurance.

[never_fast_enuf]

You misrepresented that the recent health care bill was going to cover some 35 y/o's. The recent bill contained language to the contrary. .
25 year olds, not 35. Clearly, the 12 year old the dems used (exploited) for their rebuttal demonstrated, the program is already bloated and being used by people who have no business using it. Currently his family of four owns a 160K building he uses for his business, owns a 500K house they recently renovated (complete with granite countertops and glass fronted cabinets in the kitchen) and sends two of his kids to a private school that costs 20K per student. THAT is who is using the program today…and the dems want to expand it??????? They, like MANY others, made the personal choice NOT to fund private insurance. It's called personal responsibility.
The message from the democrats (once again, they lie because they can't compete when telling the truth) was that Bush wanted to eliminate coverage for the poor. Clearly, that 12 year old was not poor and clearly, all Bush did was veto the expansion of the program that would in effect become a new entitlement for the middle class. He didn't eliminate coverage for people like the family of the 12 year old who are already cheating the system. They are still free to cheat away…at our expense

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I didn't slam the President I said I believed the veto was wrong, and I still do.
You were the one misquoting parts of what the bill was about, The bill removed the adults from the roles that Bush has allowed.
Should a family of 4 (2 children) making $82,000 a year be eligible for federal medical insurance?
They ARE under the veto'd S-CHIP bill.

[Old Texan]

Maybe you aren't aware of the cost of medical insurance for an average family. $1,000 + a month, in many cases, is more than many families can afford. Basic items in life are food, a home, clothes and transportaion for the bread winners to get to and from their jobs. With todays inflated housing prices, any household making less than 50K, no doubt should find it hard to impossible to maintain the cost of health insurance. I don't see expanding the Federal child health care system, funded by an additional tobacco tax, as a bad thing.
You misrepresented that the recent health care bill was going to cover some 35 y/o's. The recent bill contained language to the contrary. Of course I'm not in favor of a $5000 bond or Federal 401K donation. From what I understand, none of the health care plans by any of the candidates, Republican or Democrat equate to socialized medicine. I am absolultly not for Govt run hospitals.
I'm not in to passing our debt onto my grandchildren. If this means paying a bit more than I will be happy to pay more. However, until I can clearly see that the Govt is operating efficiently, I will oppose income tax increases.
I'm not for socialization of America and you shouldn't make comments that have no factual bases. If you had your way, there would be no social programs from our Govt including SS and Medicare. So we do differ. Big F'n deal. You are in no position to preach to me or anyone else considering how little Republicans have done to control how my tax dollars have been spent in recent years.
I understand that the system is broken and it will take serious change to fix this. Sorry that I don't have much faith that Democrats or Republicans, by themselves have what it takes make is better. However, only time will tell.
On a serious note Ultra, you really need to sit down and take a chill pill. Hopefully you will eventually wake up from this strange fantasy running rampant in your mind. You spent several hours clearing your mind and this is your response...........Facts and reality elude you.
And you claim myself and others are F'd up living in paranoia and fear. Read your last paragraph there Bubba....if you can't ever see/face/admit to the causes you'll never see the solutions.