Vegas Casino boots Linda Ronstadt !!!!

[carbonmarine]

Casino gives Ronstadt the boot.... Singer sparks near-riot by praising MooreÂ’s film
The Associated Press
July 19, 2004LAS VEGAS -
A Las Vegas casino gave Linda Ronstadt the boot -- after she sparked a near-riot by praising filmmaker Michael Moore and his new anti-Bush documentary.
It happened during her performance on Saturday at the Aladdin hotel-casino.
Before singing an encore, she called Moore a “great American patriot” and “someone who is spreading the truth.” She also encouraged everybody to see the movie ”Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Her comments drew loud boos, and some of the 4500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down her posters and tossed cocktails into the air.
The president of the Aladdin was watching the show and decided Ronstadt had to go -- for good. She wasnÂ’t even allowed back in her luxury suite and was escorted off the property. And Bill Timmins says as long as heÂ’s running the Aladdin, Ronstadt wonÂ’t be coming back.
© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material

[HavasuDreamin']

Good!

[Kachina26]

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mirvin]

THis is awsome.
It's funny how when you hear about this stuff, "THEY" always blame it on BUsh, as if BUsh is calling the shots at the Casino. They blamed Bush when michaelFATASSmoore couldn't get his movie distributed. They blamed it on BUsh last week when woopie got dropped by slimfast or whatever.
It's all a big conspiracy!!
mirvin

[Pesky Varmint]

There's a book out about Moore titled:
Michael Moore is a big fat stupid white man.

[Phat Matt]

There's more to it also. She was bagging on Vegas because of what the billboards said. They said it was her greatest hits tour and she made it clear on the stage that it wasn't, (even though she sang all of her hits) but this is Vegas and they can do what they want. She then said that you should go get your money back. She had to be escorted off the property for her own safety. I work closely with the Aladdin and my friend who books all the shows was with me at a wedding in Pasadena. It made the night a little more stressfull because nothing could be done from down here. :eek:

[Mandelon]

Linda Rondstats greatest hits. I assume this is like a two hour show. So what did she do the other 110 minutes? :rolleyes:

[Kilrtoy]

HELL YEAH,
That pres is a stand up guy and that is the type of property i will spend my hard earned AMERICAN dollars in...

[MagicMtnDan]

Whatya expect from someone who used to "date" our socialist ex-governor Jerry Brown!
She's a communist sypmathizer and oughta be escorted to Cuba where she can tell Fidel how great his country is!

[Phat Matt]

What made it worse was all the people from Nellis AFB there! :eek:

[Lake Pirate]

So banishment for speaking out against the Fuhrer is a good thing? Maybe she should be held in an internment camp until she joins the republican party? Fu#k artistic expression.
seig heil

[Kilrtoy]

She is entitled to speak freely.
But it appears that the people she was speaking to, were not there for her political views.
I say send her to China, afghanistan or iraq and let her speak there...

[Evin Rude]

People paid money to hear Linda sing and be entertained. She shoulda give em what thay paid for and quit there.
If the audience woulda wanted a movie review, they woulda paid to see siskel and Ebert or something (if one or more of em aint dead).
If they woulda wanted politics, well, they woulda went to a convention.
If I'd paid my money to go to a political convention and Bush woulda started singin Blue Byou, I woulda been pissed too (and more than just a little bit suprised).
ER:eek:

[Lake Pirate]

Being pissed (or disagreeing in general) is a far different thing than being escorted from the hotel, refused entrance into her suite and banishment. At least in the old America.

[Mandelon]

Originally posted by Evin Rude
People paid money to hear Linda sing and be entertained. She shoulda give em what thay paid for and quit there.
If the audience woulda wanted a movie review, they woulda paid to see siskel and Ebert or something (if one or more of em aint dead).
If they woulda wanted politics, well, they woulda went to a convention.
If I'd paid my money to go to a political convention and Bush woulda started singin Blue Byou, I woulda been pissed too (and more than just a little bit suprised).
ER:eek:
This is right on. Let her express her opinion, but not at an event like this. It wasn't represented to be a political event, just music. So play your music and shut the **** up.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
So banishment for speaking out against the Fuhrer is a good thing? Maybe she should be held in an internment camp until she joins the republican party? Fu#k artistic expression.
seig heil
that isn't any more artistic expression than inciting a riot in Detroit in the 60s. Obviously her CUSTOMERS didn't agree with her point of view and decided to let her know about it. She got fired for pissing her customers off.... and yes a Casino is an entertainment and customer service business

[Kilrtoy]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Being pissed (or disagreeing in general) is a far different thing than being escorted from the hotel, refused entrance into her suite and banishment. At least in the old America.
She was on private property and im sure being paid by that casino. It is there right to do such a thing.....

[Lake Pirate]

So... in your America entertainers will not be allowed to speak about the government? What about writers? Do you plan on censoring any of their material that does not support the current government?
seig heil

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Being pissed (or disagreeing in general) is a far different thing than being escorted from the hotel, refused entrance into her suite and banishment. At least in the old America.
I'm not going to take sides on this issue but the last time I checked the hotel had the right do WhateferTF it wanted to in regards to it's guests. If for some reason they felt they needed to do that, then so be it.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Kilrtoy
She was on private property and im sure being paid by that casino. It is there right to do such a thing.....
And she was essentially employed as a contractor to the place. She angered the patrons of the establishment. They had every right to banish her....:rolleyes:

[Kilrtoy]

Now you are trying to get people upset. You and I both know that what the casino did was well within there right. Some may get upset, but on this one you are losing your focal point to early.......

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
So... in your America entertainers will not be allowed to speak about the government? What about writers? Do you plan on censoring any of their material that does not support the current government?
seig heil
Where do you live? I'd really like to send you a quarter so you can buy a GD clue!
Not one person on here has said she can't speak her mind and voice her opinions. Everyone here has taken issue with the forum that it was presented in, a concert that she was hired to entertain at. How is her injecting her political beliefs any form of entertainment?
Personally, I don't give a rats a$$ what any dumba$$ celebrity says about politics our their political agenda, I think for myself and make my own decisions and nothing ANY celebrity says has anything to do with that decision. People paid for tickets to a concert, not a political rally. And it's a free country, the casino can tell her to eff off any time it wants to.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Kilrtoy
Now you are trying to get people upset. You and I both know that what the casino did was well within there right. Some may get upset, but on this one you are losing your focal point to early.......
You talking to me Kilr? I agree with you 100%. The casino is in the business of entertaining and serving the public. She angered the patrons... not what you are supposed to encourage the patrons to spend money in your establishment. She had it coming in a big way.

[Dr. Eagle]

Oh yeah, and Sieg Heil yourself pirate.......:rolleyes:

[ULTRA28]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
So... in your America entertainers will not be allowed to speak about the government? What about writers? Do you plan on censoring any of their material that does not support the current government?
seig heil
It doesn't matter who she was talking about. If she was complaining about Kerry/Edwards and saying how terrible they are and not to vote for them it would still be wrong (she would be correct, just not the right place or time). She was being paid to sing, not give her political views.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by ULTRA28
It doesn't matter who she was talking about. If she was complaining about Kerry/Edwards and saying how terrible they are and not to vote for them it would still be wrong (she would be correct, just not the right place or time). She was being paid to sing, not give her political views.
Ha freaking rumph........

[Lake Pirate]

Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished? Linda Ronstandt has been a political activist for forty years. Suddenly it's not OK? Would you be surprised if Barbara Streisand said something negative about the current administration? Comedians do it all the time. Should an audience be surprised and act so coldly if George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers? Sounds to me like the booking agent for the Aladdin didn't do his homework? Maybe he should be escorted out?

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished? Linda Ronstandt has been a political activist for forty years. Suddenly it's not OK? Would you be surprised if Barbara Streisand said something negative about the current administration? Comedians do it all the time. Should an audience be surprised and act so coldly if George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers? Sounds to me like the booking agent for the Aladdin didn't do his homework? Maybe he should be escorted out?
Political jokes/satire from a comedian is expected. That's what they are there for, to make fun of things. I'll be brief here and hopefully I get my message across, singers are there to SING!

[Kilrtoy]

George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers?
When I attend this type of shows, i expect polictal mud to be thrown.
You are now comparing apples and sour grapes.
That is like going to a ***** house and picking out a girl then paying and going tio the room. instead of getting laid, she pulls out a bible and begins to quote scripture. That is not what was expected.

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished? Linda Ronstandt has been a political activist for forty years. Suddenly it's not OK? Would you be surprised if Barbara Streisand said something negative about the current administration? Comedians do it all the time. Should an audience be surprised and act so coldly if George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers? Sounds to me like the booking agent for the Aladdin didn't do his homework? Maybe he should be escorted out?
The booking agent happens to be my friend. She was escorted out for being an annoying bitch, not her political views which almost caused a riot where people could have been hurt! She even stated in a newspaper inteview that if she was annoying enough, maybe she would be invited back (to Vegas). She won't be. The concert venue is there for entertainment. She is paid for entertaining. That's all. I don't care what movies she likes. She could have stood up there and said go see Spider Man 2. It wouldn't have cause a riot, but THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE IS GETTING PAID TO DO.
Maybe you should be banned! :mad:

[Racer277]

Because she was fired by her employer and escorted from her workplace, this is the Bush administration's fault?
If an employee (or subcontractor) of mine wants to spout his political beliefs to my customers, I will fire that person and escort them from the property, no matter who they are backing.
I applaud the Alladin for it's customer service policies, I don't want to hear anyones political beliefs, including yours.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished?
Absofreakinglutely if she had angered the crowd in doing so. You think this is the police state picking on her? That is insane.
Performers that decide to delve into politics, right or left, run the risk of alienating their fans. Worked perfect this time... and worked pretty good for the Dixie Chicks too. It's not censorship... it's business.

[Lake Pirate]

Singers that should not surprise you. (Tryin' to save you some trouble next time.)
Linda Ronstandt
James Taylor
Barbara Streisand
Bono
Sinead O'Connor
Bob Dylan
Frank Sinatra (Just in case)
Anita Bryant
Gimme a minute and I'll think of some more? I need to call Schindler to get a complete list.

[LASERRAY]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished? Linda Ronstandt has been a political activist for forty years. Suddenly it's not OK? Would you be surprised if Barbara Streisand said something negative about the current administration? Comedians do it all the time. Should an audience be surprised and act so coldly if George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers? Sounds to me like the booking agent for the Aladdin didn't do his homework? Maybe he should be escorted out? Linda Rondstadt a political activist? Why? Because she used to bang that piece-of-shit Jerry Brown? Or because she used to ride on the coattails of all the other hippie no-nukes activists like Jackson Browne and Bonnie Rait, all the while being so high on cocaine that she couldn't get a word in edgewise?" She's no activist. That's like calling Keanu Reeves an actor just 'cause he's in movies.:rolleyes:

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Anita Bryant
You call that a singer.......:confused:

[Kilrtoy]

I need to call Schindler to get a complete list
That is cold...
That's like calling Keanu Reeves an actor just 'cause he's in movies.
That is funny

[rivercrazy]

Originally posted by Phat Matt
The concert venue is there for entertainment. She is paid for entertaining. That's all.
Nothing more needs to be said.....Her political opinions are not what people paid to see. I guess they let her know too.....
:D :D
Barbara Stressand also has run into the same issues.....For some reason, Hollywood actors (crazy left winged whacko's) feel their opinions are better than anyone elses. Most hollywood types barely have high school education......I guess that makes them qualified to express their shit:yuk:

[LASERRAY]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Singers that should not surprise you. (Tryin' to save you some trouble next time.)
Linda Ronstandt
James Taylor
Barbara Streisand
Bono
Sinead O'Connor
Bob Dylan
Frank Sinatra (Just in case)
Anita Bryant
This resembles my (I wish they were) Deadpool.:wink:

[058]

Originally posted by LASERRAY
That's like calling Keanu Reeves an actor just 'cause he's in movies.:rolleyes: LMAO.....Good call. And a damn good call of the management of the Aladdin, next time I'm in Vegas I will patronize that establishment.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by rivercrazy
Nothing more needs to be said.....Her political opinions are not what people paid to see. I guess they let her know too.....
:D :D
Barbara Stressand also has run into the same issues.....For some reason, Hollywood actors (crazy left winged whacko's) feel their opinions are better than anyone elses. Most hollywood types barely have high school education......I guess that makes them qualified to express their shit:yuk:
What I have a difficult time understanding is why this kind of reaction to this sort of BS pontification (lemme see, celebrity=someone that confuses their fame with wisdom) is somehow censorship. People stop buying albums because of this kind of activism? Bully for them... they are expressing THEIR point of view. People get angry and storm out of a show... same-o.
Show producer, record label, casino decides not to do business with that artist again because their sales, attendance, etc. negatively affected because of their confusion, (fame/wisdom) it is somehow censorship? BS.......... it's business... plain and simple.

[Phat Matt]

Katie Couric wants to interview Bill Timmins on the Today Show. I hope he does it! It's free national tv advertising!

[Lake Pirate]

Maybe I missed the thread where you all were slamming activist entertainer righties?

[summerlove]

Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
Whatya expect from someone who used to "date" our socialist ex-governor Jerry Brown!
She's a communist sypmathizer and oughta be escorted to Cuba where she can tell Fidel how great his country is!
blah - blah - blah....

[rivercrazy]

Its pretty simple Lake Pirate. When people pay hard earned after tax money expecting musical entertainment and end up with someones unsolicited political views, that's bullshit plain and simple. It has NOTHING to do with free speach.

[Kilrtoy]

They just showed her on the news, DAMN SHE IS FAT and UGLY

[LASERRAY]

I believe Linda Ronstadt has every right to speak her mind about whatever she wants. On the other hand, the hotel had every right to throw her out on her ear. I believe that life is all about using common sense. Knowing what to say and when to say it. Obviously Ms. Ronstandt doesn't subscribe to my philosophy.;) :D

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Maybe I missed the thread where you all were slamming activist entertainer righties?
Blah, blah, blah.........:rolleyes:

[HCS]

Originally posted by LASERRAY
I believe Linda Ronstadt has every right to speak her mind about whatever she wants. On the other hand, the hotel had every right to throw her out on her ear. I believe that life is all about using common sense. Knowing what to say and when to say it. Obviously Ms. Ronstandt doesn't subscribe to my philosophy.;) :D
Ever hear of Dixie Chicks.:rolleyes:
Good way to reck her career.
Oh ya that's right, she doesn't have one.:rolleyes:

[roostwear]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Singers that should not surprise you. (Tryin' to save you some trouble next time.)
Linda Ronstandt
James Taylor
Barbara Streisand
Bono
Sinead O'Connor
Bob Dylan
Frank Sinatra (Just in case)
Anita Bryant
Gimme a minute and I'll think of some more? I need to call Schindler to get a complete list.
Frank Sinatra would surprise me. Not only was he a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, he's (you might want to do a LITTLE research before you shoot your mouth off) DEAD!!!!!!

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by HARDCORE-SKI
Oh ya that's right, she doesn't have one.:rolleyes:
Kind of a Has-BEEN!!!!!
Just like the Dixie Chicks......:rolleyes:

[WILDERTHANU]

I SAY F U C K EVERYONE........... YA, F U C K YOU ! ! !

[Lake Pirate]

Try and keep up roostred. I said "just in case." Besides... he promoted many politicians both in concert and personally. My list did not say "liberals" anywhere on it. I'm not going to explain things to you every time.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Try and keep up roostred. I said "just in case." Besides... he promoted many politicians both in concert and personally. My list did not say "liberals" anywhere on it. I'm not going to explain things to you every time.
Never did like Anita Bryant or her singing........:rolleyes:

[tcook33]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Maybe I missed the thread where you all were slamming activist entertainer righties?
I think your missing alot. I started from the beginning of this thread and read it straight through. Not only do I completely disagree with your views, which is fine, to each his own. That is what makes the country great, opinions. But everyone seems to have legitimate, well thought out responses, opinions, etc.....except you. You seem to say the same things over and over again, but you arrange the letters a little different each time. Be smart pirate. Try proof reading maybe.

[LakeRacer]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
What I have a difficult time understanding is why this kind of reaction to this sort of BS pontification (lemme see, celebrity=someone that confuses their fame with wisdom) is somehow censorship. People stop buying albums because of this kind of activism? Bully for them... they are expressing THEIR point of view. People get angry and storm out of a show... same-o.
Show producer, record label, casino decides not to do business with that artist again because their sales, attendance, etc. negatively affected because of their confusion, (fame/wisdom) it is somehow censorship? BS.......... it's business... plain and simple.
Agreed Dr. Eagle. Lake Pirate is either pulling our strings or he is confused much like Elton John. There is a big difference between censorship and consequences. Censorship is not being allowed to say what you want. Consequences are the result of what you say. Linda said what she wanted and suffered the consequences. Last I checked she wasn't thrown in jail and silenced forever on her political views.
Lake Pirate you are allowed to say what you want. But you are suffering the consequences...no one here likes you.

[Lake Pirate]

There's proof I'm reading?
Hey... I'm just throwing in some different points of view. It only stands out because you are all using the same insult generator.

[LASERRAY]

I was reading an issue of Newsweek in the doctors office today and saw an ad for the ACLU with that lead singer for the Dixie Chicks in it, That bitch! I felt like wiping my crack with it but didn't want a case of high-noon swamp ass.:yuk:

[tcook33]

Does it not make complete sense to you that the fans paid money to see her sing, not talk about her political point of view?
Maybe she should research who her fan base is. Sounds like she deserves to be out of a job.

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Casino gives Ronstadt the boot.... Singer sparks near-riot by praising MooreÂ’s film
The Associated Press
July 19, 2004LAS VEGAS -
A Las Vegas casino gave Linda Ronstadt the boot -- after she sparked a near-riot by praising filmmaker Michael Moore and his new anti-Bush documentary.
It happened during her performance on Saturday at the Aladdin hotel-casino.
Before singing an encore, she called Moore a “great American patriot” and “someone who is spreading the truth.” She also encouraged everybody to see the movie ”Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Her comments drew loud boos, and some of the 4500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down her posters and tossed cocktails into the air.
The president of the Aladdin was watching the show and decided Ronstadt had to go -- for good. She wasnÂ’t even allowed back in her luxury suite and was escorted off the property. And Bill Timmins says as long as heÂ’s running the Aladdin, Ronstadt wonÂ’t be coming back.
© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
She did the exact same thing last night at Humphrey's Concerts by the Bay in San Diego---same reaction too.

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
There's proof I'm reading?
Hey... I'm just throwing in some different points of view. It only stands out because you are all using the same insult generator.
I don't think I insulted you at all. You just don't have the facts.

[AzDon]

Hmmm!
Interesting....... I can hardly believe it myself, but I agree with you guys on this one.....Ms. Ronstadt was essentially at work, being an activist on company time, and pissed off her audience which had paid for one kind of entertainment ( a concert) and instead got political comentary that they didn't agree with..... I guess this is a lesson to entertainers to know their audience before proceeding into controversial subject matter!!
Further-
Regardless of my feelings about his works, I felt the Academy Awards was not the appropriate forum for Michael Moore to express his personal anti-Bush opinions.
I partially blame these venues for not getting a binding contract with severe penalties signed by these entertainers, prohibiting them from this kind of behavior!

[Lake Pirate]

Y'all don't like me? :(
That tears me up. I really count on nonexistant relationships with invisible people on the internet.
Ya gonna vote me off the island?
Just for the record... I never said I agree with Linda Ronstandt, I never said I agreed with her choice of venues to air her political agenda.
What I said was.... I disagree with her being escorted out of the casino without the benefit of returning to her room. I think her political views are well known. It should have been, no surprise.

[Mandelon]

Dangit Don, you are getting me all confused. You keep making sense.........:D

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
What I said was.... I disagree with her being escorted out of the casino without the benefit of returning to her room. I think her political views are well known. It should have been, no surprise.
Like I said, with out knowing the facts, you wouldn't know her escort out was for her own safety, not because of her political views.

[LakeRacer]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Y'all don't like me? :(
That tears me up. I really count on nonexistant relationships with invisible people on the internet.
Ya gonna vote me off the island?
Just for the record... I never said I agree with Linda Ronstandt, I never said I agreed with her choice of venues to air her political agenda.
What I said was.... I disagree with her being escorted out of the casino without the benefit of returning to her room. I think her political views are well known. It should have been, no surprise.
So I was right. You're just pulling our strings/yanking our chains.

[Lake Pirate]

I can't find anywhere on the internet that says it was unsafe to return to her room. I'm sure throwing her out on the street showed great concern for her safety? It was a politically motivated reaction by casino management. Pure and simple. She was wrong, they were wrong. Y'all's problem is the fact she supports Michael Moore. Nothing else.

[LakeRacer]

I'm sure someone of Linda's stature and monetary means wasn't left standing out on the street. I'm sure her attendant staff made arrangements for her departure; and if not I suppose Linda could have made her own arrangements. Geez, give me a break.
Pure and simple, she was under contract to entertain. The casino had every right to throw her out.

[PowellScooter]

Michael Moor is a fat, soft looking girlie man who probably got his ass beat as a kid cause he was a puss and the cool kids didnt stand for his bull s hit

[mike37]

Lake Pirate is like one of those little rat looking dogs that just keep yapping
Nothing you can do they just keep yapping and yapping yapping yapping
Until you go insane and kill it or its mommy comes to get it and tell you youÂ’re a bad person for not liking her
Dogs yapping even thoe it came over to your house to annoy you its your fault you donÂ’t like the noise it make

[Lake Pirate]

You're lucky I'm not the spell police. You'd get more time than Jeffrey Dahmer.
yap,yap

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I can't find anywhere on the internet that says it was unsafe to return to her room. I'm sure throwing her out on the street showed great concern for her safety? It was a politically motivated reaction by casino management. Pure and simple. She was wrong, they were wrong. Y'all's problem is the fact she supports Michael Moore. Nothing else.
Well you are not going to find it on the net. I have the inside scoop. The decision to escort her out was not because of politics. How many times do I have to say that? It's just as bad to tell the concert attendees to ask for their money back at the box office. Which she did! She was creating an unsafe environment.

[Lake Pirate]

Oh yeah... I forgot. You Uncles wife's nephews cousins friend works there.:rolleyes:

[Phat Matt]

Close. My company books their advertising and my friend, the Entertainment Director, was with me when Bill called.
Jackass :p

[Lake Pirate]

Who do you know at the White House? I have a couple complaints.
I bet Bill is thrilled you're blabbing his side of it all over the internet.

[mike37]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
You're lucky I'm not the spell police. You'd get more time than Jeffrey Dahmer.
yap,yap
never said I could spell whats your excuse

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Who do you know at the White House? I have a couple complaints.
I bet Bill is thrilled you're blabbing his side of it all over the internet.
The President.
Excuse me for giving out the facts.

[MagicMtnDan]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Being pissed (or disagreeing in general) is a far different thing than being escorted from the hotel, refused entrance into her suite and banishment. At least in the old America.
At least the hotel kept her from being strung up right there in the theater :D They kept her alive so you could support her views.
In your America no one has to work because the Democrats running the country redistribute all the weatlh to the poor. Hell that won't work, there quickly won't be any money to give away to those who don't give a shite.
Hey LP, be a troll on another board!
http://home.socal.rr.com/gbaker/troll.jpg

[mike37]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Who do you know at the White House? I have a couple complaints.
I bet Bill is thrilled you're blabbing his side of it all over the internet.
Butt pirate only hear what he wants

[AzDon]

Originally posted by Mandelon
Dangit Don, you are getting me all confused. You keep making sense.........:D
The problem most people have with me here is that I DO make sense and I make my case like a civilized person without resorting to namecalling and abuse. I can't help it! The two most influetial men in my life while I was growing up were highly educated people that had done well for themselves AND THEY WERE REPUBLICANS!
Dr. Ed Wenzlaff, a dentist, was my maternal grandfather and was the guy that took me fishing and camping. He also introduced me to the full litany of bigoted conservative gripes.
Dr. Ed Wenzlaff (Jr), an educator, was the family car-guy who built a glassover flatbottom from plans at age 18. He was memorialized when he died of cancer at age 57 by having an elementary school named for him in Desert Hot Springs, Ca. His politics mirrored his father's, but were tempered (barely) with a little PC
Whenever I had a dinnertable opinion that differed with these two guys, I had to debate my position eloquently or be shot down in flames. A lot of my personal philosophies on things borrow from the most sensible parts of conservative thinking but add to that the acknowledgement that, to be a civilized society, we must care that the institutional structure of our society watches out for the economic welfare of the lowliest among us if for no other reason than to keep the consumer economy healthy. The one thing that America has that the rest of the world wishes they could have is a healthy cross-section of citizens with money to spend on stuff. We need to do everthing in our power to support those politicians that are willing to take a stand for living wages for all Americans.
Anyway, back to the Drs' Wenzlaff...... They were two civilized gentlemen that taught me that you don't win debates by abusing your adversaries or losing your temper (something Dick Cheney should learn). You will never change someone's mind by calling him a moron.... in fact, resorting to this behavior is simplythe losing acknowledgement of a poor sport! I guess what I'm saying they taught me was to show class and have some manners and grace even if winning a debate is impossible. It is respectable and noble to agree to disagree, if that is the outcome, and save any respect and friendship in so doing.
I miss my uncle and grandfather terribly and think of them daily. I miss the lively dinnertable debates we shared.
In loving memory:
Dr.Eduard L. Wenzlaff DDS 1903-1997
Dr.Edward L. Wenzlaff 1940-1996
Rest in Peace

[XtrmWakeborder]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate Y'all don't like me?
That tears me up. I really count on nonexistant relationships with invisible people on the internet.
Ya gonna vote me off the island?
Just for the record... I never said I agree with Linda Ronstandt, I never said I agreed with her choice of venues to air her political agenda.
What I said was.... I disagree with her being escorted out of the casino without the benefit of returning to her room. I think her political views are well known. It should have been, no surprise.
Originally posted by Phat Matt
Well you are not going to find it on the net. I have the inside scoop. The decision to escort her out was not because of politics. How many times do I have to say that? It's just as bad to tell the concert attendees to ask for their money back at the box office. Which she did! She was creating an unsafe environment.
Lake pirate the legs have been kicked out from under ur argument, go back to looking at gay porn

[mike37]

Originally posted by AzDon
The problem most people have with me here is that I DO make sense and I make my case like a civilized person without resorting to namecalling and abuse. I can't help it! The two most influetial men in my life while I was growing up were highly educated people that had done well for themselves AND THEY WERE REPUBLICANS!
Dr. Ed Wenzlaff, a dentist, was my maternal grandfather and was the guy that took me fishing and camping. He also introduced me to the full litany of bigoted conservative gripes.
Dr. Ed Wenzlaff (Jr), an educator, was the family car-guy who built a glassover flatbottom from plans at age 18. He was memorialized when he died of cancer at age 57 by having an elementary school named for him in Desert Hot Springs, Ca. His politics mirrored his father's, but were tempered (barely) with a little PC
Whenever I had a dinnertable opinion that differed with these two guys, I had to debate my position eloquently or be shot down in flames. A lot of my personal philosophies on things borrow from the most sensible parts of conservative thinking but add to that the acknowledgement that, to be a civilized society, we must care that the institutional structure of our society watches out for the economic welfare of the lowliest among us if for no other reason than to keep the consumer economy healthy. The one thing that America has that the rest of the world wishes they could have is a healthy cross-section of citizens with money to spend on stuff. We need to do everthing in our power to support those politicians that are willing to take a stand for living wages for all Americans.
Anyway, back to the Drs' Wenzlaff...... They were two civilized gentlemen that taught me that you don't win debates by abusing your adversaries or losing your temper (something Dick Cheney should learn). You will never change someone's mind by calling him a moron.... in fact, resorting to this behavior is simplythe losing acknowledgement of a poor sport! I guess what I'm saying they taught me was to show class and have some manners and grace even if winning a debate is impossible. It is respectable and noble to agree to disagree, if that is the outcome, and save any respect and friendship in so doing.
I miss my uncle and grandfather terribly and think of them daily. I miss the lively dinnertable debates we shared.
In loving memory:
Dr.Eduard L. Wenzlaff DDS 1903-1997
Dr.Edward L. Wenzlaff 1940-1996
Rest in Peace
We arenÂ’t ejected enough for you don so go away

[Lake Pirate]

Actually my grandmother's maternal aunt's old boyfriends son-in-law's nephew from his Father's side best friend's polygymist neighbor from Utah said he was there and y'all are just being meanies.
It's all about Michael Moore. He owns you fair and square. He beat you and you don't know it. He wins everytime you start a three hundred post whine about him.

[mike37]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Actually my grandmother's maternal aunt's old boyfriends son-in-law's nephew from his Father's side best friend's polygymist neighbor from Utah said he was there and y'all are just being meanies.
It's all about Michael Moore. He owns you fair and square. He beat you and you don't know it. He wins everytime you start a three hundred post whine about him.
so go get a date with him you two would look so good together

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Actually my grandmother's maternal aunt's old boyfriends son-in-law's nephew from his Father's side best friend's polygymist neighbor from Utah said he was there and y'all are just being meanies.
It's all about Michael Moore. He owns you fair and square. He beat you and you don't know it. He wins everytime you start a three hundred post whine about him.
That's funny, I don't think I mentioned his name once.
And I could have sworn you were from a test tube.

[AzDon]

Originally posted by mike37
We arenÂ’t ejected enough for you don so go away
(?) ejected(?)(?)
Seat belts save lives...... I'm two-time living proof!

[Kilrtoy]

And I could have sworn you were from a test tube
Hey, I donate regularly

[mike37]

Originally posted by AzDon
(?) ejected(?)(?)
Seat belts save lives...... I'm two-time living proof!
opps sorry that would be (educated) see what I meen
gess im not educated

[DEEZ NUTTS]

Bottom line is that its the Casinos choice. She could have farted into the microphone, and if it pissed people off the Casino can kick her out.
Like others said, she was there to sing.

[Over 18]

Originally posted by mike37
opps sorry that would be (educated) see what I meen
gess im not educated
r u 4 reel !!

[rrrr]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
There's proof I'm reading?
Hey... I'm just throwing in some different points of view. It only stands out because you are all using the same insult generator.
Don't agree with me? Then your responses are just lame insults. Nice. Typical left wing bull shlt.
Jeez, Lake Trash, quit making good people like SeaDog and Info look bad. Very few people in Okleehoma are azzholes, but you couldn't tell it from reading your spew.

[kahanamoko]

How typical of republicans to decry (sorry, word too big?) a so-called "liberal" for voicing an opinion when it disagrees with theirs. And then they add insults theirselves about "fat-assed" Moore. How about turning that microscope back on yourself? Better yet, I will. Who gives a flying-**** if Linda Ronstadt expressed her opinion in a concert. The fact that she may not like "Dubya" (their choice of a nickname, not mine) and tells people so does not make her un-American. Quite the contrary. The fact that some neo-fascist right-wing, redneck, trailer trash, undereducated conservative republicans can't understand that is exactly why I hate the idiots that exist in both parties. They are knee jerk reactionaries that haven't had an independent thought in their life. The fact that many of them refer to theirselves as "dittoheads" only makes the point for me. They could be as easily run off a mimeograph machine (ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk). The only thoughts they have are those spoon fed to them by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk. God forbid they should ever pick up a book, or travel the world and educate theirselves and question the preachings of these pundits. As if doing so would be sacreligeous. Whereas any real American should realize his duty to question authority (yes, including "Dubya"). It is, after all, the truest essence of what this country was founded on. That is why it is the 1st Amendment that provides freedom of speech. Not the second or third or fourth. And while we're on the subject, has anyone here ever really read the 2nd. How many of those gun-toting pussys actually belong to a militia? Other than those nut-cases that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma I don't think I've heard of too many rational people that belong to "militias" as described in that Amendment. But anyway, I digress.

[mike37]

Originally posted by kahanamoko
How typical of republicans to decry (sorry, word too big?) a so-called "liberal" for voicing an opinion when it disagrees with theirs. And then they add insults theirselves about "fat-assed" Moore. How about turning that microscope back on yourself? Better yet, I will. Who gives a flying-**** if Linda Ronstadt expressed her opinion in a concert. The fact that she may not like "Dubya" (their choice of a nickname, not mine) and tells people so does not make her un-American. Quite the contrary. The fact that some neo-fascist right-wing, redneck, trailer trash, undereducated conservative republicans can't understand that is exactly why I hate the idiots that exist in both parties. They are knee jerk reactionaries that haven't had an independent thought in their life. The fact that many of them refer to theirselves as "dittoheads" only makes the point for me. They could be as easily run off a mimeograph machine (ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk). The only thoughts they have are those spoon fed to them by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk. God forbid they should ever pick up a book, or travel the world and educate theirselves and question the preachings of these pundits. As if doing so would be sacreligeous. Whereas any real American should realize his duty to question authority (yes, including "Dubya"). It is, after all, the truest essence of what this country was founded on. That is why it is the 1st Amendment that provides freedom of speech. Not the second or third or fourth. And while we're on the subject, has anyone here ever really read the 2nd. How many of those gun-toting pussys actually belong to a militia? Other than those nut-cases that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma I don't think I've heard of too many rational people that belong to "militias" as described in that Amendment. But anyway, I digress.
yes
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by kahanamoko
But anyway, I digress.
Uh, yes you did........:rolleyes:

[moneypit]

I think i'll stay at the Aladdin now. Linda Fatstat can go stand on porch and say what she feels. Im only disapointed they did'nt hire someone that can sing better ....like Walter Hung.

[Mandelon]

Originally posted by kahanamoko
How typical of republicans to decry (sorry, word too big?) a so-called "liberal" for voicing an opinion when it disagrees with theirs. And then they add insults theirselves about "fat-assed" Moore. How about turning that microscope back on yourself? Better yet, I will. Who gives a flying-**** if Linda Ronstadt expressed her opinion in a concert. The fact that she may not like "Dubya" (their choice of a nickname, not mine) and tells people so does not make her un-American. Quite the contrary. The fact that some neo-fascist right-wing, redneck, trailer trash, undereducated conservative republicans can't understand that is exactly why I hate the idiots that exist in both parties. They are knee jerk reactionaries that haven't had an independent thought in their life. The fact that many of them refer to theirselves as "dittoheads" only makes the point for me. They could be as easily run off a mimeograph machine (ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk). The only thoughts they have are those spoon fed to them by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk. God forbid they should ever pick up a book, or travel the world and educate theirselves and question the preachings of these pundits. As if doing so would be sacreligeous. Whereas any real American should realize his duty to question authority (yes, including "Dubya"). It is, after all, the truest essence of what this country was founded on. That is why it is the 1st Amendment that provides freedom of speech. Not the second or third or fourth. And while we're on the subject, has anyone here ever really read the 2nd. How many of those gun-toting pussys actually belong to a militia? Other than those nut-cases that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma I don't think I've heard of too many rational people that belong to "militias" as described in that Amendment. But anyway, I digress.
I love the hypocrisy there Moko. Complain about insults and then start right in with your own. :rolleyes:
These political arguments are useless here, neither side will change the opinions of the other.
Lake Pirate is a thread troll and starting up this kind of bull-sh*t is his game.
Linda Rondstat and all celebrities should keep their views to themselves. If they speak out and are shunned it is no one's fault but their own.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Mandelon
Linda Rondstat and all celebrities should keep their views to themselves. If they speak out and are shunned it is no one's fault but their own.
I think this has been said about a dozen times on this thread Mandy, it still doesn't seem to be sinking in to these brilliant chosen ones...:rolleyes:

[Kilrtoy]

If it wasnt for this thread Dr Eagle post count would be 50 less:D :D :D

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Kilrtoy
If it wasnt for this thread Dr Eagle post count would be 50 less:D :D :D
Oh, at least!:D

[Mandelon]

Free speech is only for dissenters? Is that it? :confused:

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Mandelon
Free speech is only for dissenters? Is that it? :confused:
Of course...... that's it! What the hell have I been thinking all these years...

[Mandelon]

Michael Moore has a right to make his movie, and I have a right not to waste my money on his slanted views. I have the right not to waste my time or money on any of those overpaid Hollywood types with whom I disagree or dislike. Its my own quiet little rebellion.....:)
Man---->watches the history channel a lot<----delon

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Mandelon
Michael Moore has a right to make his movie, and I have a right not to waste my money on his slanted views. I have the right not to waste my time or money on any of those overpaid Hollywood types with whom I disagree or dislike. Its my own quiet little rebellion.....:)
Man---->watches the history channel a lot<----delon
I agree he has the right to make his movie and distribute it...
I disagree that he should be able to call it a "documentary".
And I like you will vote with my feet. It;s called consumer choice.
I dislike the Hollywood Elite, movie, TV, music, they all confuse their celebrity with wisdom. They all seem to think they know it all...
I also watch a lot of History, Discovery, TLC, BBC and Disc. Wings.
I will not watch a sitcom... period!

[mike37]

Originally posted by Over 18
r u 4 reel !! no Im not so dont talk to me

[rrrr]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
I agree he has the right to make his movie and distribute it...
I disagree that he should be able to call it a "documentary".
Jeez, Dr. E, you are prolly influenced by that right wing hate site Dictionary.com:
doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.
1.) Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
2.) Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.
3.) A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.
D*mn those hate filled linguists!!

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by rrrr
Jeez, Dr. E, you are prolly influenced by that right wing hate site Dictionary.com:
doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.
1.) Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
2.) Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.
3.) A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.
D*mn those hate filled linguists!!
Wow, dictionary.com... should be banned! We can't have facts presented objectively, without editorializing or inserting fictional matter!
Hmmmmmmmm wow, that's interesting>!

[Mandelon]

He must have used a different dictionary....:rolleyes:

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Mandelon
He must have used a different dictionary....:rolleyes:
Mr. Moore doesn't pay attention to convention... remember he is a "Liberal" which means you are against anything that exists right now. That would mean Dictionary.com too in this case......

[beer hunter]

Originally posted by Kilrtoy
She is entitled to speak freely.
But it appears that the people she was speaking to, were not there for her political views.
Hey Lake Pirate, so you see any similarities between you and Linda Ronstadt? :D

[MAGIC TED]

Its about time these Bush bashers are held accountable

[MagicMtnDan]

Originally posted by beer hunter
Hey Lake Pirate, so you see any similarities between you and Linda Ronstadt? :D
I see a similarity between the two of them - they're both assholes. :eek:

[JustMVG]

So if there is the right to free expression, why won't the Dems release the video of the Kerry Fund raiser where everyone got up and said whatever the hell they wanted to about President Bush , calling him a Nazi and worse, LR was there to Sing and perform not give her opinion, thats the bottom line, come on when your FANS who Paid to see and hear you sing, get pissed and walk out because you spew out political BS then the hotel has every right to kick her out on her butt, and i'm glad they did, takes alot of balls to do that to a "name" performer, glad i didn't have to make that decision, there are going to be some comps for some po'ed folks for awhile. Kudos to the Aladdin and it's Management for taking a stand and sticking with it.
Mike VG

[Charley]

Letter from a Concerned Citizen
Please read the WHOLE letter ;)
Dear Sir,
I am a senior citizen. During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job. I took numerous vacations and had several vacations homes.
Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse: I lost my job. I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.
I lost my home.
I lost my health insurance.
As a matter of fact, I lost virtually everything and became homeless. Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me. I will do anything to insure President Bush's defeat in the next election.
I will do anything to ensure that Bush has to go.
I just thought you and your listeners would like to know how one senior citizen views the Bush Administration.
Thank you for taking the time to read my letter.
Sincerely,
SADDAM HUSSEIN

[JustMVG]

Charley, thats too funny!!! Thanks for the uplifting laugh that just woke my kids up!!!
MVG

[Charley]

LOL... I did the same thing when I got it about an hour ago! hehe

[riverrunner]

The problem we have is that so many Americans believe that it is a documentary and come out thinking that it is all fact, just the way it is told.

[Seadog]

Liberals tell a lie and call it a documentary. Conservatives mention facts and the liberals will either deny it as lies or they will drown it in rhetoric and name calling.
LP is like a lot of Democrats and liberals, in that he will make a statement that is sure to get an angry response and then start nit picking what he actually said vs what he inferred. He does this knowing full well that any normal person would make that inference. This is the type of cheap trick that lawyers are well noted for and allows them to make major awards in our out-of-control court system.
If I went to McDonald's and an employee wasted my time with a bunch of political crap, whether left or right wing in nature, I would prefer that employee be fired, or at least moved out of a public contact position. If it happened a second time, I would not return to that establishment. The only difference in the situations, is that an employee of McDonald's usually has a future career.

[Dr. Eagle]

But seadog, that's because conservative people are "Mean Spirited", remember Hillary's regular spew?

[Seadog]

I have to admit to a perverse desire to stick Michael Moore and Hilary in a locked room and see who emerges alive. I have visions of him eating her and then dying of food poisoning.

[Mandelon]

Well that is obviously just mean spirited. :D

[Doctor Feniks]

i say.....F U C K Lake Pirate.
obviously he has no idea what really happened at The Aladdin and seems to think that everything on the internet must be completely factual (WTF??).
maybe The Aladdin should have let her stay and get mobbed by a bunch of angry Nellis AFB personel.....oh but wait.....the internet never mentioned that....hmmm.....guess it must not have happened.
crawl up someone's crack and die....and quit wasting people's time.
feniks

[Phat Matt]

Originally posted by Doctor Feniks
i say.....F U C K Lake Pirate.
obviously he has no idea what really happened at The Aladdin and seems to think that everything on the internet must be completely factual (WTF??).
feniks
I concur. :D

[COELIMINATOR]

Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Do you honestly believe had she said something in favor of Bush she would have been escorted from her hotel and banished? Linda Ronstandt has been a political activist for forty years. Suddenly it's not OK? Would you be surprised if Barbara Streisand said something negative about the current administration? Comedians do it all the time. Should an audience be surprised and act so coldly if George Carlin had done a routine that was primarily anti-Busch? It's ok for comedians and not singers? Sounds to me like the booking agent for the Aladdin didn't do his homework? Maybe he should be escorted out?
I think the general public is just getting tired of entertainers voicing their political agendas. With that said, Arnolds issue in California has so many talking it is comical. He should just tell them to get over it!!!! My 02 FWIW. Sam