Fair and Balanced?

[Lake Pirate]

No...this is not a FOX news channel thread. We already know they are the tool of conservative rhetoric.
This is about the current Parties use of televised press conferences to espouse party nonsense under the guise of news. With all the damn money they get it's pretty danged underhanded to use national press time to presell themselves before the anniversary of 9/11. Of course I'm talking about Rummy's 87 hour televised diatribe about the state of the draft. There is no vote or even talk of a vote to restart the draft. However, Rummy get's to utilize the opportunity to talk about how great we're doing and how wonderful the Republicans are. Total waste of time and resources. Can John Edwards have 30 or 40 hours TV time to discuss a counterpoint?
I thought not.
Hey Admin!!!! I don't need an email everytime someone posts. Really.

[topless]

Hey Admin!!!! I don't need an email everytime someone posts. Really.
Then change your settings.........

[572Daytona]

Then change your settings.........
He can't, he's a liberal and is therefore unable to help himself out. He either will just complain ad nauseum or lobby get a law passed to form a government agency to do it for him.

[Lake Pirate]

It didn't start until this new interface. I checked unsubscibe but, I hear about it if someone in Latvia post about chilly llama feet. What's up with that?

[rrrr]

He can't, he's a liberal and is therefore unable to help himself out. He either will just complain ad nauseum or lobby get a law passed to form a government agency to do it for him.
:D :D
Methinks you are correct.

[Dr. Eagle]

He can't, he's a liberal and is therefore unable to help himself out. He either will just complain ad nauseum or lobby get a law passed to form a government agency to do it for him.
LMFAO....... :eek!: :smilespi:

[Debbolas]

He can't, he's a liberal and is therefore unable to help himself out. He either will just complain ad nauseum or lobby get a law passed to form a government agency to do it for him.
Ok........now THAT is funny! LOL :D

[JakeAisA]

No...this is not a FOX news channel thread. We already know they are the tool of conservative rhetoric.
I guess when the middle is light years to the right of you can call FoxNews "right wing."

[mirvin]

Uh.... LP, Fox and RUsh.......that's it. Every other news agency, network, and every rag in the country are all slanted left and all you can do is complain because the left can't controll EVERYTHING!!
Get over it. IT comes with being in charge. When Rummy wants to speak, guess what, it's gonna get covered. Nobody would even care if the left didn't freak out everytime someone opened thier mouth.
mirvin :D

[Lake Pirate]

Ignoring the question eh? Can't say I blame you. It is in your best interest to support the unfair exploitation of the American psyche.
Seig Heil

[Lake Pirate]

http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/04/05/pre04011.html

[Lake Pirate]

http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/myths.html

[mirvin]

There was a question??
Fag. :D
mirvin

[Lake Pirate]

Facts can be very disserting to propogandic ideologies. Hope you don't have a nervous breakdown or have to look in a mirror or anything?
If you're only interested in my male handsomeness you will have to fight Mountain man Dan for my honor.

[Dr. Eagle]

Those were some fine articles LP... And I post articles from Associated Press and you guys :eek: claim Right Wing bias... those are real leftie crackers there! Fine journalism.

[Dr. Eagle]

Facts can be very disserting to propogandic ideologies. Hope you don't have a nervous breakdown or have to look in a mirror or anything?
If you're only interested in my male handsomeness you will have to fight Mountain man Dan for my honor.
Facts :confused:

[Lake Pirate]

You should check the resources used by the messenger before you jump to conclusions. ('Course that would screw up your entire politically ideology.)

[Scream]

You should check the resources
Oh yea, I can see that happening right here...LOL
I be Dan Rather is down the middle too, eh?

[eliminatedsprinter]

No...this is not a FOX news channel thread. We already know they are the tool of conservative rhetoric.
This is about the current Parties use of televised press conferences to espouse party nonsense under the guise of news. With all the damn money they get it's pretty danged underhanded to use national press time to presell themselves before the anniversary of 9/11. Of course I'm talking about Rummy's 87 hour televised diatribe about the state of the draft. There is no vote or even talk of a vote to restart the draft. However, Rummy get's to utilize the opportunity to talk about how great we're doing and how wonderful the Republicans are. Total waste of time and resources. Can John Edwards have 30 or 40 hours TV time to discuss a counterpoint?
I thought not.
Hey Admin!!!! I don't need an email everytime someone posts. Really.
Lake Pirate
You need to pay more attention to what our congress is doing. Rep Charles Rangle, Dem from NY, has drafted and introduced a bill (sorry I forgot the number) to re-instate the draft. He has recieved support from some of the other Democrats in congress and he says he will do what it takes to push it through. It has recieved support form the CBC. The Bush administration and most republicians oppose it and support our current volunteer military. This has been talked about in Congress for many months now. It is the first seroius attempt to re-instate the draft since it was stopped in the 70s and it is big news, to a political junkie like myself. This is not new news and the CBC has been putting much pressure on the rest of Congress and the Bush administration to adress the issue. Quite frankly, I am suprised you are not aware of this.

[JakeAisA]

Hey Lake Pirate,
Did you know that over 95% of Journalists are Democrats?
Did you know that of graduating Journalist majors...over 60% say they're Socialists?
What right-wing are you talking about?
Do you ever watch local news? Do you ever read the newspaper? They're all Liberal. There's only one non-leftist news organization and it's FoxNews. And FoxNews has as many Leftists on as they do right wingers. The problem you commies have with FoxNews is that you think any time given to a non-Leftist is time given to "propaganda".

[Dr. Eagle]

You should check the resources used by the messenger before you jump to conclusions. ('Course that would screw up your entire politically ideology.)
I was going to say the same thing to you.... I hate to let the facts confuse you...

[Lake Pirate]

Eliminatedsprinter ~ I have actually been exposed to a smidgeon of news. It is my understanding, a congressman is wanting to introduce a bill, but there is no Bill, currently up for vote. I could be wrong and if I wasn't a lazy turd I might actually look it up. I get most of my news from the brain trust here.

[JakeAisA]

Eliminatedsprinter ~ I have actually been exposed to a smidgeon of news. It is my understanding, a congressman is wanting to introduce a bill, but there is no Bill, currently up for vote. I could be wrong and if I wasn't a lazy turd I might actually look it up. I get most of my news from the brain trust here.
This may be first time I've ever heard you post something that's true.

[mirvin]

[QUOTE
If you're only interested in my male handsomeness you will have to fight Mountain man Dan for my honor.[/QUOTE]
I guess you don't get it. I called you a fag because under your distorted logic that says I must be a nazi, you must be a fag.....get it??
No more smileys for you, terd.
mirvin

[eliminatedsprinter]

Eliminatedsprinter ~ I have actually been exposed to a smidgeon of news. It is my understanding, a congressman is wanting to introduce a bill, but there is no Bill, currently up for vote. I could be wrong and if I wasn't a lazy turd I might actually look it up. I get most of my news from the brain trust here.
You are a few months behind. The bill has been drafted by Charles Rangle and the last time I heard him talk about is he was gathering house signatures. It has the full support of the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus). Rangle is a high profile MOC and he and the CDC have been calling out the Busch Administration to discuss this issue for months. They feel that Blacks and other minorities are over represnted in our military and "rich whites" are under represented. They claim that if more "rich whites" were in the military, then the prez and congress would be less likely to send our troops to war. I have heard Rangle say he wants to make sure this issue is discussed before the election. He says the Bush administrations support of an all volunteer army is racist and he wants that exposed before the election. I for one think that by pushing something this stupid the Dems are setting themselves up for their stratagy to backfire. I guess the Bush administration agrees with me on this one ;), because they are calling the dems challange.
You seem to be making the point here that the republicians are pulling this out of the blue just to score some pre election points. However, if you look at it a bit more objectively, you will see that this is a case where the old "be careful what you ask for" addage applies and the Dems are lobbing them a gift pitch, that they would be fools not to swing at.

[rrrr]

Rangel is one of, if not the, biggest pieces of shlt in government. Of course, you Californians have a couple of "dogs" in that contest with Boxer and Feinstein. :yuk: :yuk:

[JakeAisA]

Here's the thing about Liberals. You can tell exactly who they are and what they beleive, by looking at what upsets them and what thier accusations are.
Liberals hate non-left media...because they beleive in a left-slanted media.
Liberals accuse George Bush of "fabricating" a terror warning because that's what they would do if they were in power.
Liberals love to talk about $$ because that's all they care about...mostly becuase they're so inept at making it or they're guilty about how they got it (musicians, celebrities, Soros types who take advantage of tax payers, power peddlers, etc.)

[eliminatedsprinter]

Rangel is one of, if not the, biggest pieces of shlt in government. Of course, you Californians have a couple of "dogs" in that contest with Boxer and Feinstein. :yuk: :yuk:
Weve got worse than that. We have Nancy Pelosi. The fact that she is house minority leader is proof positive how far to the left the democratic party has become lately. After all, she makes Fienstien look downright conservative.

[mirvin]

Weve got worse than that. We have Nancy Pelosi. The fact that she is house minority leader is proof positive how far to the left the democratic party has become lately. After all, she makes Fienstien look downright conservative.
And that's nothing compared to our state legistature...
:yuk:
mirvin :cool:

[BENZEEN]

Ignoring the question eh? Can't say I blame you. It is in your best interest to support the unfair exploitation of the American psyche.
Seig Heil
Nobody gives as shit.
My .02.

[BUSTI]

Unfortunately for the party out of power what they have to say is never covered by the press as much as that of the party in power is. That's politics. The problem with the left is they cry about it! Usually they cry about being a victim and whats not fair in life and how the left is always victimized by the other side. Whats new here?
Lefty Pirate how typical of you on the left to cry about life the way you do. I am sure when clinton and gore were in power you didnt think it was unfair when the press printed every word they said? Did you.? Like when gore said at a press conference he was the father of the internet. Remember that bull shit? Or when he published his book while in office about how the greaterst threat to world security was pollution....not Arab Islamic Terrorist who had just made their first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center.
John Edwards is not entitled to equal air time with press conferences of the Administration. Why? Eessentially what he says IS COMING FROM A CANDIDATE not a ploicy maker. When and if the leftists in this country ever win a national election again then ...............John Edwards will be a policy maker and the leftist press can follow him around and cover his diatribe about collectivism or military capitulation or what ever the hell lefties talk about.
Until then grin and bare it...........shut the front door and quit your bitchin!!!!
And I did answer you question but I am sure you will make some inane reference to Hitler and say Heil Dur Furherer or something cry babyish as you did in your previous post. Just deal with the fact that liberalism as you espouse it is more unpopular with most Americans.

[***boat]

Hey Admin!!!! I don't need an email everytime someone posts. Really.
Are you sure?

[rrrr]

Weve got worse than that. We have Nancy Pelosi. The fact that she is house minority leader is proof positive how far to the left the democratic party has become lately. After all, she makes Fienstien look downright conservative.
Holy keerist, how could I not mention Pelosi? What a fawkin' beyootch and loser. I'd like to slap her good just for general principle.

[Dave C]

LP you such a rabble rouser. You assertions are absurd.
Yes there are token conservatives in the news. But come on, their audience is VERY small. (except for Rush) Fox only reaches a few million.
ABC, CBS, NY times are left leaning and their news reaches 35-40 million everyday.
BTW you see the innuendo here. Conservatives should not be allowed to a voice in the news.
Thats very un-american of you LP. LP why don't you just come out and say that us tight-righties should be rounded up and silenced or put in a camp somewhere.

[mirvin]

Are you sure?
See, look at that!! I'm sure "***boat" is just part of the BUsh team watching over us making sure we don't get out of line......
mirvin

[eliminatedsprinter]

You are a few months behind. The bill has been drafted by Charles Rangle and the last time I heard him talk about is he was gathering house signatures. It has the full support of the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus). Rangle is a high profile MOC and he and the CDC have been calling out the Busch Administration to discuss this issue for months. They feel that Blacks and other minorities are over represnted in our military and "rich whites" are under represented. They claim that if more "rich whites" were in the military, then the prez and congress would be less likely to send our troops to war. I have heard Rangle say he wants to make sure this issue is discussed before the election. He says the Bush administrations support of an all volunteer army is racist and he wants that exposed before the election. I for one think that by pushing something this stupid the Dems are setting themselves up for their stratagy to backfire. I guess the Bush administration agrees with me on this one ;), because they are calling the dems challange.
You seem to be making the point here that the republicians are pulling this out of the blue just to score some pre election points. However, if you look at it a bit more objectively, you will see that this is a case where the old "be careful what you ask for" addage applies and the Dems are lobbing them a gift pitch, that they would be fools not to swing at.
Lake pirate this is your answer.
The administration is respoding to a Dem challange. The fact that your premise, that this is a non issue that the Republicians are hyping up (my words), is false makes your question moot. Besides, there is no doubt the Kerry camp will respond and it will be covered.
P.S. I think the Bush administration needs to do more of this and make more powerful use of the president's Bully Pulpit.

[Lake Pirate]

You guys are better than my parole officer at getting me to work. Kudo's. I swung by the post office today to pick up my welfare, government benefits and tax abatement checks (Can't stand to work but I still need nice things) and it occured to me (as I was looking for my picture on the "most wanted" bulletin board) that congress has a website. Silly me...I figgered they still had carrier pidgeons or passed the word through third party constituents that were on the secret payroll? So... I looked it up and sure enough there is no record (I could find) of a current bill before congress to reinstate the military draft. Mebbe Bill O'Reilly just hasn't told them yet?
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issuesaction/billlist/?issue=11

[Kilrtoy]

HOW DOES ANY OF THIS RELATE TO BOATING :rolleyes: :sleeping: :idea2:

[Lake Pirate]

If they reinstate the draft you'll have to stay home on the weekends and mow your own damn yard. Not to mention there will be a surplus of jobs and I'll prolly lose my unemployment benefits. This is big news. How many lazy liberals have to suffer so y'all can have braggin' rights at your AARP meetings?

[KACHINA KEN]

Ignoring the question eh? Can't say I blame you. It is in your best interest to support the unfair exploitation of the American psyche.
Seig Heil
LP I have a gas stain on my gel-coat, do you have any suggestions?

[KACHINA KEN]

If they reinstate the draft you'll have to stay home on the weekends and mow your own damn yard. Not to mention there will be a surplus of jobs and I'll prolly lose my unemployment benefits. This is big news. How many lazy liberals have to suffer so y'all can have braggin' rights at your AARP meetings?
And I was also thinking about moving up to a 24p prop, would that adversly affect my low end torque? I know I would see a couple mph on the top end.

[PHX ATC]

LP I have a gas stain on my gel-coat, do you have any suggestions?
I do...quit eating beans! :D :D :D

[Rexone]

I hear about it if someone in Latvia post about chilly llama feet. What's up with that?
I hear the democrats have established a commission to study this. You're probably just on the notification list for all their important government funded programs and giveaways.

[Dr. Eagle]

I hear the democrats have established a commission to study this. You're probably just on the notification list for all their important government funded programs and giveaways.
A rare but razor sharp barb Mike... nice......

[KACHINA KEN]

I do...quit eating beans! :D :D :D
Go back to RRX :D Whassup Toby!

[Lake Pirate]

Any thoughts from the local think tank on my link?
As far as your prop goes... rev it up to full rpm and then try and stop it with your foot. If it stops...you have the wrong prop.

[KACHINA KEN]

Any thoughts from the local think tank on my link?
As far as your prop goes... rev it up to full rpm and then try and stop it with your foot. If it stops...you have the wrong prop.
tried that, dinged the prop up a lil, you know because of my LEAD foot.

[Lake Pirate]

Try a tightie rightie... they have nimble feet for the side-step shuffle.

[mike37]

Legislation Details
'A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.'
Congress: 108
State: Federal
Chamber: Senate
Bill Number: S. 89
Sponsor: Sen. Ernest Hollings (D-SC)
Last Sponsor Date:
Official Title as Introduced: 'A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.'
Summary Sponsors Activity Committees
1/7/2003--Introduced. Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

[PHX ATC]

Go back to RRX :D Whassup Toby!
Just in here hanging out today...nuttin else to do.
To think, I just gave you personality, responisibility, radioactive points or whatever the hell they are! :rolleyes: :D
You in town for a while?

[Lake Pirate]

I hope I don't seem overly argumentative, but that bill you posted... is almost two years old?

[PHX ATC]

This whole subject feels 2 years old.
Let's go to the lake. :D

[mike37]

I hope I don't seem overly argumentative, but that bill you posted... is almost two years old?
ya I know but has it ben shot down put on hold or what
could not find any thing

[Lake Pirate]

okey doke.

[HighRoller]

I guess LP's version of balance is when the most liberal senator hooks up with the 5th most liberal Senator. To liberals, that's "balancing the ticket"!!! :argue:

[Lake Pirate]

Speculatin' and assumin' as usual...high roller. Maybe you can give me next weeks lotto numbers?

[HighRoller]

No, actually speculating and assuming is liberal territory. I stick to the facts.

[Lake Pirate]

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why the cons are utilizing a two year old moot bill to garner television time and public acceptance?

[HighRoller]

Cons? You must be talking of Kerry and Edwards. What did they do now? I know Kerry misrepresented himself in Vietnam and Edwards used wheelchair bound children to make a fortune. Are you telling me they did something even worse now?

[Lake Pirate]

Evasive action...eh? Best not answer the question and continue to misdirect the topic? Sounds a tad....Republicanish? (<--- new word) This reminds me of the war on terror...er, I mean the war against weapons of mass destruction...er, I mean the war to free the Iraqi people.

[HighRoller]

I don't have to evade anything. My president is in office. Deal with it. I can provide proof of an Al-Quaeda/Iraq link, proof of WMD's in Iraq and proof that we freed 25 million people. Just because the New York Times and CNN have ignored the proof doesn't mean you have anything to argue. What has John Kerry done in the last 20 years, besides vote straight down the liberal party line? Nothing.

[JustMVG]

Saw this and wanted LP's opinion, did I just post that, i must be nuts!!!
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN AUG 08, 2004 19:04:35 ET XXXXX
SWIFT OFFICERS AND VETS: KERRY LIED ABOUT SPENDING CHRISTMAS IN CAMBODIA
**Exclusive**
Since the early 1970s, Kerry has spoken and written of how he was illegally ordered to enter Cambodia. Kerry mentioned it in the floor of the Senate in 1986 when he charged that President Reagan’s actions in Central America were leading the U.S. in another Vietnam. Here’s what he said as excerpted from the new book, UNFIT FOR COMMAND:
I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me.
DRUDGE has learned from the accounts of Swift Boat officers and Kerry’s crewmembers that Kerry was never in Cambodia. UNFIT FOR COMMAND authors charge that Kerry made it all up.
“Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry’s statements are complete lies,” according to John O’Neil, co-author and the Swift Boat commander who took over Kerry’s boat. “Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. . . . he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia.”
Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13’s patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about 55 miles from the Cambodian border. . . . Tom Anderson, Commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of PBRs (small river patrol crafts] confirmed that there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and they would have been stopped had they appeared.
All the living commanders in Kerry’s chain of command . . . deny that Kerry was ever ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s boat, Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner, deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia.
O’Neill observed that the Cambodia incursion story is not included in Tour of Duty (Kerry’s recent biography). Instead, Kerry replaced the story with a report about a mortar attack that occurred on Christmas Eve 1968 “near the Cambodian border” in a town called Sa Dec and Christmas day was spent at the base writing entries in his journal.
After conducting interviews and research, authors of Unfit for Command conclude, “The truth is that Kerry made up his secret mission into Cambodia.... the lie about the illegal Cambodian incursion painted his superiors up the chain of command. . . . as villains faced down by John Kerry, a solitary hero in grave and exotic danger and forced illegally against his will into harm’s way.”
Go Kerry Go !!! :idea: :eek:

[Lake Pirate]

M&M ~ I don't really consider the Drudge a serious source, much like you wouldn't consider Michael Moore a serious source. (Same initials as yours...hmmm?) There is a chance that the report is true and he lied but, I'd like to meet the first candidate that didn't. It's also fairly evident no officer is going to admit sending ANYBODY into Cambodia so...we can hardly call their opinion partisan support. Either way...that report wouldn't sway my vote no more than Georgie's cushy service record swayed yours.

[angry dad]

lp watch.....http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

[Lake Pirate]

Angry Dad ~ we all considered Saddam a terrorist until he agreed to disarm (which you cannot prove he didn't.) We all know he offered families of martyrs a stipend which is an act of terror. We've gone over and over this. He disarmed and was pretty much a non-threat after 9/11. He certainly needed to be ousted at some point, but it hardly took precedence over unfinished business in Afghanistan or the real threat in Sudan and other terrorist hotspots. There have been many times Khadaffi was a threat but he has fallen off the radar because a Bush in office didn't have a vendetta against him. The media spin is clouting your free will. Good luck with the kids.

[Jeanyus]

LP
Let me pull an Edwards, You can't prove that Sadam did disarm. Therfore on a technicality we win give us the money.

[Dr. Eagle]

He agreed to disarm to gain the cease fire in the 1991 Gulf War. He played (and I mean played) along, but did not cooperate fully. In 1998 he tossed the inspectors (they were getting close to something he wanted to protect perhaps?) regardless of his intent he in effect dissolved the cessation of hostilities from the gulf war in that act. When he did this, warehouses that were under electronic surviellance were emptied out, when the cameras were uncovered... the warehouses were bare to the walls.
Now you can say it can't be proven that he didn't disarm, likewise it can't be proven that he did. The UN resolution essentially made it IRAQs responsibility to comply with the orders and to prove to the UN or World's satisfaction that they had. The fact that they threw out the inspectors once was cause to finish the job left from 1991, and the fact he let inspectors back in did not mean he planned to comply... stall and negotiate was what he tried to do.
Your attempt to spin this around has failed, admit it and move on.

[HighRoller]

LP, AZDon, SummerLove...please respond to the quotes from Kerry...
"For example..we know that Saddam Hussein used WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION against his own people, and there is some evidence of their efforts to try and secure these weapons and even test them."
"I think we need to put the pressure on NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS ABOUT SEPTEMBER 11TH."
This clip destroys John Kerry...it shows him for what he is. What a joke. I can't wait to hear what LakePussy, SummerLIb and AZDemocrat have to say to try and explain this. Excellent job of exposing Kerry for the fraud he really is.

[Lake Pirate]

I have not failed. I never set out to prove he disarmed. I set out to prove he was not an essential target in lieu of Somalia or Sudan. He was Daddy's war. Now admit it and move on.
Kerry said "take a serious look at", not "Let's bomb the shit out of them, spend billions and trillions of dollars, get some of our children killed, and essentially accomplish...nothing."

[angry dad]

good luck with the kids?? please!! i know lets all be like lake p, and vote for kerry!!!yea!! i can't wait to pay more taxes!!! give up my second amendment!! (my guns)kiss the cowardly U.N. ass (france)give up the dunes (glamis) and a lot more restrictions (lakes,river) because we have a GREEN liberal in office!! pleas lp look into kerrys VOTING RECORD and tell us how wrong!!you and the terrorists will love kerry!!! ohh by the way.. my son is joining the U.S.M.C. to help fight for your sorry cowardly ass!! what have you done L.P.??have you done anything besides spew your anti bush crap??good thing you have the freedom to say (post) what you wish...but it was payed for with the blood of real americans!!!

[HighRoller]

You have failed. You're dancing around on the head of a needle with semantics trying to weave your way out of admitting Bush was right. Even your boy Kerry just admitted Saddam had WMD's!!!! Did Kerry lie? Kerry said we needed to oust Saddam no matter what the evidence. Do you disagree with Kerry? Answer the questions, LakePussy. Stop dancing around. Kerry supported the war and its motives ON FILM!

[Lake Pirate]

Angry Dad ~It would be a critical error in judgement to think folks who disagree with your politics are any less of an American than you are, or that they and their families haven't also paid a price for freedom. Your spew is sounding more fascist that American. I forgive you and I'm sure Hillary does also.
The "good luck with the kids" reference, is due to your screen name. Comments should be expected. I wished you luck...that's something you should appreciate when referencing your kids. I'll forgive you for that too!
Thanks for the great rating guys!!!

[angry dad]

skipping around the issues!! hows the feet pirate?? a little sore???

[Lake Pirate]

Kerry supported it at a time when Saddam possibly was a threat. If you hold every politician to every word they say throughout the tenure of their career you are not allowing them to grow and learn. You never changed your mind?

[HighRoller]

What a pussy. Every liberal disappears faster than a cigar in Bill Clinton's office when you produce facts.

[Dr. Eagle]

I have not failed. I never set out to prove he disarmed. I set out to prove he was not an essential target in lieu of Somalia or Sudan. He was Daddy's war. Now admit it and move on.
Kerry said "take a serious look at", not "Let's bomb the shit out of them, spend billions and trillions of dollars, get some of our children killed, and essentially accomplish...nothing."
If anything it was unfinished business that needed closure. How long had out pilots been flying overhead and he had been trying to pick one off? He wasn't daddys war... you can stuff that one.
Kerry is a loser that has voted against every major defense appropriation that has come up in front of him. I could never take him seriously, he has no credibility in the defense arena. Take his service in Vietnam aside, he has been a dangerous man in the senate with his record on defense spending. If it were up to him, we wouldn't have an army, navy air force or marines. And what a waffler, first he said he was for it, against it, no... I think I'm for it again... WTF?
But then LP... it's tough to argue with someone that's always right... :rolleyes:

[Lake Pirate]

Angry Dad ~ are you an idiot? It's ok if you are. I don't hold genetic grudges. I explained myself to you, and your comeback was a tad, shall we say...completely off the mark by leaps and bounds? You are wanting to judge someone as an American completely by their choice as a Democrat or Republican. Surely a "smart" American, would be so foolhardy?

[Lake Pirate]

I'll agree with you Dr Eagle. He has indeed "waffled." I think you are overlooking the fact that a politician should represent his constituents? Only an autocrat would approach the Presidency with a "my way or the highway" approach? He should represent the people. If their minds change (which is often the case) then his should too. To eliminate popular opinion is to eliminate the tenets of what this country stands for.

[HighRoller]

How weak is that! "Oh...he was doing what the people wanted"....please. He stuck his finger in the wind, listened to Therezza, and changed positions. He has a proven record of being on every side of every issue. Just like he voted for the war and voted against the funding.

[Lake Pirate]

He changed his mind when I sent him a link to this website. As a matter of fact, his wife totally switched parties when she read the local think tanks oblique counterpoints.

[angry dad]

Angry Dad ~ are you an idiot? It's ok if you are. I don't hold genetic grudges. I explained myself to you, and your comeback was a tad, shall we say...completely off the mark by leaps and bounds? You are wanting to judge someone as an American completely by their choice as a Democrat or Republican. Surely a "smart" American, would be so foolhardy?hmm no im not a idiot!!
you are!!lake p. you have no reason to be here!! iv'e asked ? you won't answer!! your a COWARD TROLL!!! yep again A COWARD TROLL!!. answer the ? coward TROLL.

[Dr. Eagle]

I'll agree with you Dr Eagle. He has indeed "waffled." I think you are overlooking the fact that a politician should represent his constituents? Only an autocrat would approach the Presidency with a "my way or the highway" approach? He should represent the people. If their minds change (which is often the case) then his should too. To eliminate popular opinion is to eliminate the tenets of what this country stands for.
That is where you are wrong LP... The congress and Senate represent the people the constituents... the president is an executive.. an autocrat if you wish. :rolleyes: His ability to lead should come from strong conviction, not checking the polls every five minutes to figure out which side of an issue to be on. He needs to know what is right and if needed make the case to support his position.
Clinton was perfect for you because he checked the polls with his cheerios in the morning. Reagan was a leader with conviction that made a course and stuck to it. Der fuhrer? Eff no, a good leader and executive. Kerry will never know what to do without reading the paper in the morning to see what the new york and LA times tell him to do. Bush while no Reagan, has those leadership skills that Kerry lacks...

[JustMVG]

M&M ~ I don't really consider the Drudge a serious source, much like you wouldn't consider Michael Moore a serious source. (Same initials as yours...hmmm?) There is a chance that the report is true and he lied but, I'd like to meet the first candidate that didn't. It's also fairly evident no officer is going to admit sending ANYBODY into Cambodia so...we can hardly call their opinion partisan support. Either way...that report wouldn't sway my vote no more than Georgie's cushy service record swayed yours.
Funny how people will not pay attention to Matt Drudge, but hey what if he didn't report on the Monica Lewinsky dealio, yeah we might have saved a few taxpayer bucks, but then we wouldn't have found out about other Clinton related situations. You know the Land Scam, funny how they wriggled free from that, as to my intials MandMVG refers to Mike(that'd be me) and MARGARET(that'd be the Mrs.) and the VG is our last name, did you see the book thats coming out on Mr. Moore looks to be good reading as it totally exposes him for what he is, a BS artist and nothing moore, pun intended, amzing too that the Drudge site has more hits in a day than some sites have in a full year, so that would tell me that there are more folks interested in what he has to say , right or wrong, and when he's wrong he admits it and moves on, wish i could say the same for Mr. Moore. Mike VG

[Dr. Eagle]

Funny how people will not pay attention to Matt Drudge,
But they take the things on Bushlies.com or moveon.org as gospel... kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[Lake Pirate]

You'll have to repost the question Angry person. I forget what you say purdy quick. Was it "what have you done?" Or something like that? If so...
I am honorably discharged from the United States Navy. I was a communications officer. My Dad lost his foot in Korea. I lost two Uncles in Viet Nam and have two first Cousins who fought in Viet Nam. One (Green Beret) was hopelessly ****ed up mentally afterwards. (Carries a pic of a Congs' head sitting in the passenger seat of his Jeep in his wallet) The other was very sick from Agent Orange poisoning but died of unrelated cancer. (So they say.) I now have two nephews in Iraq as we piddle with this meaningless diatribe. My Wife's Dad (now passed) was a lovely man and a highly decorated Army career Master Sergeant. They were all traitorous filfthy Democrats...just like me.

[Lake Pirate]

The best (and prolly most honest) news is not published in this country. I have never read moveon or whatever the other one was you were talking about. I read papers (internet versions) from all around the world. City papers and a few special interest but NO partisan rags on my agenda. Sorry.

[Dr. Eagle]

The best (and prolly most honest) news is not published in this country. I have never read moveon or whatever the other one was you were talking about. I read papers (internet versions) from all around the world. City papers and a few special interest but NO partisan rags on my agenda. Sorry.
If you say so.....
Now I am LMFAO...
WTF was this LP? http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/04/05/pre04011.html
And this ridiculous crapola...
http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/myths.html

[Lake Pirate]

I do.
(Ten more characters)

[Lake Pirate]

Those are internet searches. Try it some time? Just go to one of the many search engines available for free on the internet. Google and search.com are a coupla good ones but there are many. I think Disney kids has a starter search engine for novices such as yourself. Use the filters so you can delete such words as honest, creditable, truthful etc.

[Dr. Eagle]

Those are internet searches. Try it some time? Just go to one of the many search engines available for free on the internet. Google and search.com are a coupla good ones but there are many. I think Disney kids has a starter search engine for novices such as yourself. Use the filters so you can delete such words as honest, creditable, truthful etc.
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me... I know lots about internet searches daddy....
here try out this one... go ahead, make my day
http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
As for the filters you mention, it is obvious that you use them regularly... :)
Goodnight I am done with you for the evening, go on about your business of saving the world from truth... :rolleyes: :argue: :rolleyes:

[Lake Pirate]

Think about me. :)

[angry dad]

wow!!i was usmc 79-84 soo what soiled your panties?? lake homo?? :cry: sounds like your family served honor.. is that it ...... WOW.. your fam should be proud to have a coward like you in the fam!!!now look at you ......a troll on ***boat!!! what accompishment!!! gee were all ............you still have'nt answered my ?s lake homo?? what about kerrys flip flop VOTING RECORD!!! ANSWER or step down!!!~

[Kachina26]

creditable,
That refers to merchandise that you can still take back to Walmart right?

[Lake Pirate]

Read the thread dingleberry. I ain't typing twice for your sorry ass. The best reason to vote for Kerry is guys like you. Everyday that I converse here only strengthens my resolve. I am not very accomplished (sad to say.) I'm just a lowly internet troll who falters from board to board hoping to fill my lowly vacuuous life. I guess I won't say anything about the people that are here everytime that I log on? That would be mean...wouldn't it? Besides...they and I like to post so, you're just going to have to pull yer panties out of that fat crack you call an ass...mr meanypooh.

[Lake Pirate]

Thanks Kachina. I need a spell cop almost full time. It pays nothing, but I'd appreciate hard relentless work and long hours. You're hired.

[angry dad]

nighty nighty lake COWARD!! ;) one day you will wake up!!or not?? maybe some ........ i'd better not!! good night lp :sleeping: :D

[Kachina26]

Thanks Kachina. I need a spell cop almost full time. It pays nothing, but I'd appreciate hard relentless work and long hours. You're hired.
Oh sorry, I have to chase after 3 writers at work full time. I just enjoy funning people from time to time.

[Lake Pirate]

Just funnin' back. It's hard to see the humor through the thick fog of hate big daddy spews out the hole in his head.

[angry dad]

sorry.. speaking about a big hole piratefag!! :cry: nite!!

[Always_Fresh]

sorry.. speaking about a big hole piratefag!! :cry: nite!!
he isnt even worth your time in fact i think it turns him on

[Lake Pirate]

I'm taking arbitrary dad under my wing. It's not everyday I get to serve the community by helping the inarticulately angry. There's nothing worse than someone being so mad they can't think of anything to say. I really hope this doesn't affect Mountain Man Dan's obsession with my overt maleness and musky smell? I think he'll be alright though? Hope so. I'm all yours snookums.

[HighRoller]

15 posts and LakePussy has still NOT REPLIED to my quotes from john Kerry, or viewed the video of him flipping,flopping, and doing cartwheels to fit into his party's agenda. Watch the video Lake Pansy. You watched Michael Moore's movie. Watch this FACTUAL representation of Kerry.

[Lake Pirate]

I did watch it and I did respond. I can't read the thread for you guys. Try and keep up.

[Always_Fresh]

i feel sorry to anyone who paid to see that movie to be lied to cus i know it wasnt for entertainment i have yet to find someone that likes to look at a fat piece of crap for that long just glancing at him makes me want to vomit so i ask this why see that movie?

[JustMVG]

Well LP your true colors are starting to show, the Angry Dads Gettin' To ya, seems your a losin' your cool, is that only when you feel the soap box you are standing on is just as tall or short as the rest of us lowly uninformed nothing to do all day but post on boards 'cause we're bored, the bottom line is that no matter what the subject matter is you're smarter than all of us commoners, I Thank You and your family for your service to this great country, but really now is all this anger really getting us anywhere, or do we just have to admit you are right and we are always wrong?
MVG

[angry dad]

I did watch it and I did respond. I can't read the thread for you guys. Try and keep up.
what a sorry ass LITTLE man!!! :yuk: answer the vid... lakesorryasscoward!!!

[Lake Pirate]

I'm the only one that sees the adolescent humor in average dad's neolithic posts?
I hate to burst your eager little phlegm bubbles but...I'm not mad. Never been mad...not here anywayz. Do I think mediocre dad is stupid? Ummm... have you read his posts? I don't get angry...I get sarcastic. I pull your strings. You seem hell bent on getting me to agree with you yet...I never insist that you agree with me? Hmm.. I think I would rather you didn't either. I wouldn't want the democratic party to have to recarpet their headquarters from all the knckles dragging the floor. Y'all stay on your side and I'll stay on mine. As far as Pubescent Dad goes... fire hot. We'll start there.

[JustMVG]

Sarcasm as an out, thats a new one for ya, well thats your story and your stickin' to it, gotta respect a man whos got his mind made up, even if the mind is about as big as an Amoeba on a Tick Turd, you come bubbles are all alike. Gotta love this country!!!

[Lake Pirate]

All this time I shot over your head? I'm all about the sarcasm. Reread sometimes between porno breaks.

[JustMVG]

Well we've gone to a new low, LP you got me, i guess i should read the whole thread and not just the good parts, porno breaks? WTF? where in the world did that Come from, but i am getting tired , even though it is an election year, of seeing the same stuff over and over, rehashing thread after thread, at first it was interesting and in some ways fun, but this is just getting more and more childish as the weeks go on.
We'll see what happens in November and go from there, politics and boating just do not seem to be a good mix, and yet i still chime in, no more for me , it's old it's boring and the rest of us need to get out on the boats and relax, so who's up for a midweek liars club meeting??? Elsinore weds, thursday?? Hmmm anyone , anyone?

[angry dad]

All this time I shot over your head? I'm all about the sarcasm. Reread sometimes between porno breaks.
STILL no answer!!! you sorry coward!!!step up !! how do you feel about the vidEo??? come on lakeCOWARD!!!

[Lake Pirate]

Angry Dad ~ we all considered Saddam a terrorist until he agreed to disarm (which you cannot prove he didn't.) We all know he offered families of martyrs a stipend which is an act of terror. We've gone over and over this. He disarmed and was pretty much a non-threat after 9/11. He certainly needed to be ousted at some point, but it hardly took precedence over unfinished business in Afghanistan or the real threat in Sudan and other terrorist hotspots. There have been many times Khadaffi was a threat but he has fallen off the radar because a Bush in office didn't have a vendetta against him. The media spin is clouting your free will. Good luck with the kids.
There's one.

[Lake Pirate]

I have not failed. I never set out to prove he disarmed. I set out to prove he was not an essential target in lieu of Somalia or Sudan. He was Daddy's war. Now admit it and move on.
Kerry said "take a serious look at", not "Let's bomb the shit out of them, spend billions and trillions of dollars, get some of our children killed, and essentially accomplish...nothing."
There's two!

[JustMVG]

Angry D, it's time to hit the lake and leave the keyboards to cool down :D besides it's a heck of alot more fun kicing back and listening to tunes and going for the speed run every once in awhile. !!

[Lake Pirate]

Kerry supported it at a time when Saddam possibly was a threat. If you hold every politician to every word they say throughout the tenure of their career you are not allowing them to grow and learn. You never changed your mind?
There's three!

[angry dad]

you still don't answer?? you pirate are a cowardly little internet TROLL!!'. hope you enjoy your LITTLE internet games.. but just remember...your just a LITTLE MAN!!!why don't you STEP UP one day and meet us??? ohh yeah.. your just a troll.......

[angry dad]

Angry D, it's time to hit the lake and leave the keyboards to cool down :D besides it's a heck of alot more fun kicing back and listening to tunes and going for the speed run every once in awhile. !!
thanks! :D ! your right!!!

[HighRoller]

LP is adopting the new liberal philosophy. When a politician such as John Kerry changes his view on an issue, it's because he "evolved" and grew into a new opinion. We all saw Kerry saying Saddam had WMD's, and that NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE we needed to oust him. Now LP can't back pedal fast enough to defend his guy....what a pussy. 66% of Kerry voters say they are voting for him because they hate Bush. 75% of Bush voters are voting for him because they say he did a good job. LakePansy wouldn't vote against Kerry if the focker pissed on the American Flag on live TV. Must be sad to be locked down to a political party.