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carbonmarine
08-26-2004, 07:54 AM
When I was Sr. at UCSB, I took a class in Militarty Sciences
called " Vietnam Studies " ... Focuses entirly on the US envolvment in the war and surrounding issues. I was disgusted with the course. From the sylabus, it seemed interesting, within the lecturn it was entirely political.
Max Cleland the bitter triple amputee and his book was a centerpiece.
He even came to speak.... its amazing how such a radical can gain such promenece in a sympathy vote that send him to congress and gain influence on the national stage in this day with the election ... ** We'll that's the DNC for ya.... Yes, Its the same folks that gave us Al Shapton, Americas own court clogging Aratfat whom has never had a job - of sorts....
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Max Cleland's 'Hanoi Jane' Connection....
The Kerry campaign sent Max Cleland down to President Bush's Texas ranch yesterday to complain about the Swiftvet ad campaign, hoping that Cleland's image as the quintessential Vietnam veteran who sacrificed three limbs in a wartime accident will cause other vets to take notice.
But there's one detail about Cleland that Kerry & Co are hoping nobody notices: The fact that he's been bankrolled over the years by Vietnam veteran Public Enemy No. 1, "Hanoi Jane" Fonda.
A search of Federal Election Commission records available at the "Political Money Line" Web site (www.tray.com) reveals that Fonda funded Cleland's two Senate campaigns, donating $5,400 in 2002 and $2,000 in 1996. There's no indication that Cleland attempted to return the money.
The left-wing actress helped make Kerry an anti-Vietnam war hero, when she poured tens of thousands of dollars into his group, Vietnam Veteran Against the War - and underwrote a VVAW event that solicited fake war crimes testimony that Kerry later cited in his 1971 Senate testimony.
Other Democrats who accepted direct contributions from Fonda include U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton [$5,000 for her 2000 race], Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle [$500 in 2003], Sen. Maria Cantwell [$2,000 for her 2006 re-election bid] and ex-Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia [$250 in 2002].
Since Fonda is now actively backing for Kerry via her "Vagina's Vote" campaign, maybe the next time Kerry ought to send "Hanoi Jane" in person to make his case to Bush.
Editor's note: Source / Newmax

AzDon
08-26-2004, 08:12 AM
Those amounts of money are insignificant and indicate a citizen quietly supporting the candidates of her choosing in the same lawful manner as any citizen, including you and I, are allowed to do. Those amounts aren't designed to buy any influence and don't even come close to amounts that would be needed to produce a campaign (such as the Swift Boat thing) designed to influence the election itself.
Bush is playing a dangerous game in continuing to Deny the Swift Boat group's financing ties to his political inner circle. If he had come right out and admitted that it was the result of "misdirected friends" and stopped it in the beginning, he could have saved himself from the fallout. He may still get a second chance if the press chooses to ignore this story and let him off the hook.

carbonmarine
08-26-2004, 08:21 AM
Hey Don,
I believe you might be misguided my friend.. Bush already denounced the practice. He however cannot go telling people what to do with their money, time and focus.. Besides its a Kerry thing anyway....
Why dont you find out whom a Mr. Robert Bower is ..... What he does with and for Kerry... Dont forget to realize where HE moonlights.... and most importantly dont forget to also see what they've been uyp to for the last 3.9 years...
Rick32 :)

Havasu Cig
08-26-2004, 08:28 AM
Kind of funny how the Democrats can't take the same thing Bush has been dealing with for along time. At least the Swift Boat Vets have more credibility than Michael Moore or the rest of the left wing propaganda machine.

carbonmarine
08-26-2004, 08:36 AM
...... Amen. Ya know. I did notice how Bush weathered the whole
Micheal Moore deal. With dignaity & grace. Not a word.....
You wait and watch for the debates... Kerry will make an ass of himself by being far too agressive, make it personal, cry like a bitch and strike out when Bush just itemizes and rips to shreds his Senate carreer...
Keery's been consistantly on the wrong side of History.. He's not
a Demorcrat !!! ...He's a wolf socialist in a Donkey's clothing.

Havasu Cig
08-26-2004, 08:56 AM
I agree...I saw on television last night that the 527 groups on the left have just put out 14 more commercials slamming bush. The one I saw had rebbeca Romain Stamos (sp). What a joke. The ad accused Bush of a bunch of BS.
If the Democrats want to stop the mudslinging they should condemn all the 527's not just the ones they don't like. George Soros, who made his money betting against the U.S dollar, has contributed at least 10 mil. This communist f@#$ should go back where he came from.
Regarding the Swfit Boat Vets, they had the spokesperson for the group on the radio last week and he said this is about Kerry being a liar. He said they don't care what Bush thinks about the ads. The guy sounded like he was telling the truth and was committed. These guys were screwed by Kerry when he got back from Vietnam and now it's payback time.

AzDon
08-26-2004, 09:23 AM
The chart posted by Essex502 clearly shows that the "Swift Boat Veterans" campaign is produced and financed by people in Bush's inner circle. Under the circumstances, I'm not believing it is an independent effort.
If it was an independent effort, I'd say that, although it looks bad, It is the right of those guys to tell the truth as they see it by financing airtime.
I don't believe that Kerry is closely linked to either Michael Moore or Moveon.org......They look like truly independent entities to me!
Bush proves time and again how he has no personal decency when it comes to political battle.
George Soros? who's that and why should I care? The firestorm around Bush is too close to ignore so let's start there!

eliminatedsprinter
08-26-2004, 10:31 AM
Hey Don,
I believe you might be misguided my friend.. Bush already denounced the practice. He however cannot go telling people what to do with their money, time and focus.. Besides its a Kerry thing anyway....
Why dont you find out whom a Mr. Robert Bower is ..... What he does with and for Kerry... Dont forget to realize where HE moonlights.... and most importantly dont forget to also see what they've been uyp to for the last 3.9 years...
Rick32 :)
Bush can't stop them, because he's not a Democrat and anyone who's paying the least bit of attention knows, that it is the Democrats who want politition's to be able to tell us what to do with our money.....

ROZ
08-26-2004, 11:29 AM
I don't believe that Kerry is closely linked to either Michael Moore or Moveon.org......They look like truly independent entities to me! AS does swiftboat to me.... All of these types of organizations are linked to a political party in one way or another. Someone knows some one who is their in. You'd be a moron to believe otherwise. Heck, even your local city council is getting money the same way..As you just stated, people can donate to whoever they want, right(within campaign funding rules that haven't been broken...)? Many people donated to swift knowing where the money goes. Same thing with any D organization..
Bush proves time and again how he has no personal decency when it comes to political battle.
Funny how the democrats POUNDED Bob Dole about how being a war hero had no baring on getting into the White House. Now it's an issue on the forefront that Kerry Brought up first by touting his purple hearts... Talk about Hippocracy....
One more thing, It's widely known that when Democrats asked Republicans to stop the mud slinging, the Republicans ask "if we stop will you?"... Ofcourse the DNC said no...