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Keith E. Sayre
11-28-2004, 09:11 PM
I have a friend who has informed me of some information about the marina
that I didn't know. Now I'm not saying that this is fact and I certainly don't want to create any rumors. But until today, I couldn't see the logic of doing
what the marina has been doing recently. In my mind, the best case scenario for them was to win and defend any potential lawsuits with regard to the noise and length issues. So if they won, the best thing that could
happen was--they'd lose alot of revenue from alot of people not parking in
their lot and using the public launch ramp. That's the best case that I could
think of. Obviously the down side could have been some sort of censure or
sanctions and maybe even the loss of their contract to operate the marina.
Why would anyone want to create that situation for themselves?
Some have speculated that it is Jeff the manager and others have said that it could be the owner Mr. Mc Culloch. But I've doubted the latter, he's there to make money. And that he does! If they were really worried about their
employees hearing, they would have bought them ear plugs. If they were
actually worried about the length of the boats, why do they continuously
refer to the age of the ramp. As if that has something to do with length?
None of this made sense to me until last night. I wonder if it's true?
According to my friend, the marina has extensive expansion plans that would include doubling the current number of slips! Where would these
slips be located? They would be about 20 feet under the area where we
currently park our trucks! In other words, the long term plan is to slow down to a trickle the use of our ramp, which would also greatly reduce the number or parking places required for the day users. They would then
dig out more dirt and turn the current parking lot into more marina slips that start at about $185 a month. This means that he would sacrifice the best launch ramp in the town so that HE could make more of a killing than he already does. It would also mean that the other launch ramps in town would have to overcrowded beyond belief so that he could make more money while
this ramp that WE own goes to waste.
Then there is the issue about noone being able to build a competing marina on this side of the lake as long as he has open slips. Apparently for this
reason, they don't rent all the slips long term. They keep a percentage of them unrented, then they rent them short term. This allows them to show
a percentage of occupancy when in fact they have a 2 year waiting list.
The other part of the equation was this, if the London Bridge Resort folks
are successful in getting a variance (if that's the right word) that they are
getting to request, then the marina will be obliged to ask for the same favor. This would then open the door for the marina to build condos etc
for residency.
If these assumptions are correct, this would explain the actions that the marina is presently taking. I can't think of another explanation.
I wonder what else they're up to? It sounds like everything except providing us with a launch ramp facility.
The preceeding is my opinion only. These thoughts and opinions are mine
alone and have nothing to do with my employer or my position there. I'm writing this from home and simply want to know what you guys think.
Keith Sayre

Kilrtoy
11-28-2004, 09:15 PM
That is very interesting :jawdrop:

Rexone
11-28-2004, 09:22 PM
I'm writing this from home and simply want to know what you guys think.
Keith Sayre
If true I think it sucks. The marina's concessionaire contract specifys they must serve the public does it not? Building more slips (taking away the parking and launch capacity) and condos hardly is in the interest of serving the public but 100% in the interest of the owner filling his pockets with money.
Again if true I think if they want to do those things build another facility somewhere else that doesn't affect the marina. The marina's launching facility (a public service under contract from the state) seems to me should remain just that.
Just my opinion. And that of my employer. :wink:

2440
11-28-2004, 09:25 PM
Very interesting!

CAHotRodBoy
11-28-2004, 09:34 PM
I don't know a lot about property rights around the lake but always wondered why there is no developement on the California side? Is it Indian land? I have a friend that lives in Havasu and he told me there is a small town on the other side of the lake but it is not easy to get to and I think the only people that live there work at the casino up the river. Does anybody know anything about it? Why is there no developement / marina / shops / etc on the CA side? Seams to me some one (or group) could make a killing by developing that side.

phebus
11-28-2004, 09:35 PM
There is a major development going in on the Ca. side at Havasu Landing.

Essex502
11-29-2004, 08:16 AM
Interesting story/theory/idea there Keith. I don't know if it will fly as they would need to get the State Department of Land's approval as I understand all of the area is state land.
What I also heard was the "non-compete" marina issue was based on the LH Marina's 700 slips not being full. But I also heard that they were now full and the non-compete clause was null.
I was told by a park ranger at Windsor that there is pressure from various sources to reduce the boat traffic on the lake by any means possible. This is due to the increases in boats because of the dropping lake levels at Mead and Powell. This, I believe, is only the ranger's opinion as to the cause but there is definitely pressure being exerted somewhere. Noise enforcement is only one issue. The length issue at the Marina is just as bogus.
What about the idea of the "resort" on the island that was to have its own marina? Or Campbell Boats idea of another launch ramp near to them on the north end?
Old satellite photo of the Marina:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404marina.jpg
What's in the area at the bottom of the current slip area all the way in the back, now?

uvindex
11-29-2004, 08:39 AM
What's in the area at the bottom of the current slip area all the way in the back, now?Some or all of that area is taken up by the slip expansion that was done 2-3 years ago. Would be nice to have an up-to-date satellite image, but I couldn't find one (umm, how about one of the pilots on the board stepping up to the plate and doing a flyover? :))

shaffewm
11-29-2004, 09:19 AM
I don't know a lot about property rights around the lake but always wondered why there is no developement on the California side? Is it Indian land? I have a friend that lives in Havasu and he told me there is a small town on the other side of the lake but it is not easy to get to and I think the only people that live there work at the casino up the river. Does anybody know anything about it? Why is there no developement / marina / shops / etc on the CA side? Seams to me some one (or group) could make a killing by developing that side.
Most of the land along the lake on the california side is Indian land, you can own the trailer on it but you have to lease the park space from the landing. Outside the gates at Havasu Landing is private property and thats where they are developing a housing deal, I don't know alot about what they are planning, but it seemed like it was prefabed houses built around a main clubhouse....