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NOTALENT
12-08-2004, 01:32 PM
I can't believe this..How are they suppost to teach history, and learn about this country if they cant actually teach it in class???
Declaration of Independence Banned from California School
By Michael Illions
Talon News
November 25, 2004
A fifth-grade teacher at a San Francisco area elementary school has found himself at the center of a firestorm with his principal and the school district over the Declaration of Independence.
Steven Williams, a teacher at Stevens Creek School, filed a lawsuit on Monday in U.S. District Court in San Jose and claims violations of his right to free speech under the First Amendment.
Williams has been barred from giving out copies of the Declaration of Independence to his students by the school's principal, Patricia Vidmar, because it refers to God. Principal Vidmar has also required that Mr. Williams clear all his lessons first with her.
This has led to other materials that refer to God or Christianity being rejected, such as George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists," and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania."
William's attorney, Terry Thompson, claims his client is being singled out for being a Christian.
"It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men, and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," Thompson said according to Reuters.
"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country," Thompson continued. "There is nothing in the Establishment Clause [of the U.S. Constitution] that prohibits a teacher from showing students the Declaration of Independence."
According to Reuters, Principal Vidmar could not be reached for comment, but an assistant superintendent for the School District, Phyllis Vogel, would only say that the lawsuit has been forwarded to a staff attorney and offered no other comment.

oldbuck40
12-08-2004, 01:36 PM
another f/n lawsuit,,,and to think these people are are in control of our kids at school,,,,the teacher was right,,screw the principal!

MsDrmr
12-08-2004, 01:42 PM
I agree, that principal outght be let go of and have someone in there that is not afraid of a little heat from parents or otherwise if there is a teacher actually doing his/her job. For crying out loud, Peeps get a grip, the word God won't hurt, even if you don't believe in religion.

Nubbs
12-08-2004, 01:43 PM
Unreal. I can't believe it. :mad: :mad:

MudPumper
12-08-2004, 01:44 PM
This country is really going down hill. Forget the fact that one of the main reasons the settlers came from Europe was for FREEDOM OF RELIGION and to avoid religious persecution. If anybody needs me I'll be beating my head on the desk. WTF :confused:

Havasu_Dreamin
12-08-2004, 01:55 PM
WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

oldbuck40
12-08-2004, 01:55 PM
if the principal had done her job before she ever took that position and read up on what you can and cant do then there would be no law suit,,she is probably just one of those people that disagrees that god should not be brought up in school and protesting it...in a position like a pricipal you need to be very neutral on many subjects and not one sided.

OLDRAT
12-08-2004, 01:59 PM
She probably lives in Marin County..........enough said! :devil:

RiverDave
12-08-2004, 02:04 PM
I'd agree that not handing out the declaration of independance is LUDICROUS.. But there was one comment that kinda made me "wonder" in that whole deal.
William's attorney, Terry Thompson, claims his client is being singled out for being a Christian.
It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men, and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," Thompson said according to Reuters.
"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country," Thompson continued.
If this guy is some way extremist christian guy teaching "his" version of the "true origins" of our country, well then I migth be a little concerned as well.
To ban the declaration of independance or any historical document though is so far beyond retarded that it's beyond my comprehension.
RD

oldbuck40
12-08-2004, 02:11 PM
Riverdave,,,,beyond retarded??? thats good!!! by the way just where the hell do you go when its (beyond retarded)?

welk2party
12-08-2004, 02:13 PM
I think we should mail a copy to all the teachers and parents. What idiots...one way ticket to communism and socialism...you hear what the government sanitizes and believes you need to hear.

RiverDave
12-08-2004, 02:15 PM
Riverdave,,,,beyond retarded??? thats good!!! by the way just where the hell do you go when its (beyond retarded)?
What's your address? :D ;) just joking bud.
RD

Captain Dan
12-08-2004, 02:15 PM
It's only a matter of time before "in God We Trust" will no longer show up on legal tender.
In the words of John Wayne - it's getting to be ri god damn diculous.

oldbuck40
12-08-2004, 02:19 PM
What's your address? :D ;) just joking bud.
RDRiverDave your right though it is retarded and beyond,,,i hope that the principal once all this is out in the open and in the courts that someone will make her feel like the real idiot she is and she goes crawling back in her hole.