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Flying Tiger
01-09-2005, 01:32 PM
What are the Permanent Side Effects of Crystal Meth Addiction?
It seems like I'm the last guy around that doesn't use (nor tried) Crystal Meth.
The people (contractors/neighbors) that sometimes I have to work with that have been crystal meth users for about 3 to 5 years most have these permanent afflictions:
Colitus (Chrons disease), (at 33, 35, 37 most all wear depends too)
Burn't out nasel passages (all always sound like they have a bad cold)
Damaged stomach linings. Most get regular blood transfusions
Touretts syndrome. Awfull to be around.
The women abusers seem far more devistated by this abuse than the men. (since Betty Ford, they can't be left alone with their kids) they all look like they almost died in childbirth that morning ).
Does anyone know if this is typical of a Crysal Meth abuser? Are women more devastated by it than men? Sure seems so.
What portion United States addicted to this stuff?
Bab Bad Bad is this stuff my HB brothers and sisters,, bad stuff indeed.
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Essex29
01-09-2005, 01:34 PM
What are the Permanent Side Effects of Crystal Meth Addiction?
It seems like I'm the last guy around that doesn't use (nor tried) Crystal Meth.
The people (contractors/neighbors) that sometimes I have to work with that have been crystal meth users for about 3 to 5 years all have these permanent afflictions:
Colitus (Chrons disease), (at 33, 35, 37 they now all wear depends too)
Burn't out nasel passages (they always sound like they have a bad cold)
Damaged stomach linings. They all get regular blood transfusions
Touretts syndrome. Awful to be around.
The women abusers seem far more devistated by this abuse than the men. (since Betty Ford, they can't be left alone with their kids) they all look like they almost died in childbirth that morning ).
Does anyone know if this is typical of a Crysal Meth abuser?
What portion United States addicted to this stuff?
Bab Bad Bad is this stuff my HB brothers and sisters,, bad stuff indeed.
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...not the last guy to have not tried the crap...nasty stuff!

Mrs.Racer277
01-09-2005, 01:45 PM
Never tried it either! :)

Rock-A-Bye-Baby
01-09-2005, 01:50 PM
never tried it. Never will. never even seen it.

DEEZ NUTTS
01-09-2005, 01:52 PM
Never. Never dropped acid either, but kinda wish I tried it when I was younger. Never would now.

jbtrailerjim
01-09-2005, 02:15 PM
A lot of my friends I hung out with in high school started useing it right after we graduated. They tried to get me to use it but I chose not to try it. I was tempted a couple of times but I didn't.
Most of them quit after a couple of years but there were a couple of my buddies continued to abuse it. Both of them really started to show the effect of continued use of it. My one friend really seemed to be not all there. He acted really strange all the time. I lost touch with him and the last I heard through another friend he was more or less permanately warped in the head.
My other buddie that continued to abuse it also worked for me. He flipped out on me one day at work and I had no choice but to fire him. We did not talk for a while. He quit useing it for a while and came back to work for me and he started to use it again. He finally realized the only way to get off of it was to get away from the people he was hanging with. I had been telling him all along he needed to get away from the losers he was hanging out with. He moved away to Vegas and basically started a new life. I see him once or twice a year and he is clean. I can see though the effect the drugs have had on him.
I think all the time of how my life would have turned out if I would have given into the peer pressure of my friends and have tried meth. I'm very thankful I was smart enough not to ever try that crap. It's bad stuff I can tell first hand how I saw it ruin friends lives.

Boatcop
01-09-2005, 02:28 PM
Those are some of the effects of chronic meth use.
Add to that:
Extreme paranoia
Tooth loss
HIV/AIDS/hepatitis (needle sharing-prostitution)
No stuff (sold for meth)
Heart arythmia
Ireversible brain damage
osteoporosis
blood disease/infection (open sores)
hair loss
and a host of other aflictions!
Women seem to be more susceptible to meth use/abuse, and in many cases are the reason men get into it. The reasoning is that they try it, either for more energy for housework or to lose weight. (No, I'm not stereotyping or beings sexist, just telling it like it is.)
They all think that they can handle it a little at a time, but none can. They start out feeling great. Lose a few pounds, energy that makes them feel like super woman. In a few weeks, their house is spotless, they look fantastic, and all is right with the world. They convince their overworked, always tired boyfriend/husband that can't keep up with them, that they could use a little pick-me-up.
Before they know it, they're using it daily, just to get out of bed and maintain some "normalcy". Soon all they're thinking about is how to get more. Eventually work doesn't matter. Health doesn't matter. The kids don't matter. The bills don't matter. Nothing matters except getting meth.
A once beautiful 30 year old woman now looks 65, and a formerly good looking man looks like, well, A meth freak.
Here's some pics of meth users and a few stories. If anyone is thinking about trying it, or is in the early stages of recreational use, these are a pretty good wake up call.
Faces of Meth (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79786)
And a few more pics:
More Faces (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/olive/view_gallery.ata?g_id=2927)
No "Reefer Madness" BS. This drug is nothing but chemicals, and WILL KILL YOU!

NashvilleBound
01-09-2005, 02:35 PM
my cousin fell back into it and ended up getting accused of stealing someones stash. He was shot twice in the head, execution style, in the Vista Business Park 10 years ago this year. Its bad shit.

LUVNLIFE
01-09-2005, 02:39 PM
I never tried it. Always had friends and co workers who were in the stuff deep and that alone kept me away. Just to see what they did, how they acted and what they became. Bad stuff. Come to think of it, it was almost like a scared straight program.

LUVNLIFE
01-09-2005, 02:43 PM
Funny. After I ended that post I thought of something. Alan had mentioned how women use it for the weight loss. I had a girlfriend tell me one time she was going to just lose a few pounds using meth. I told her if she did I was gone and never coming back. To my knowledge she never did while I was with her but later she started dating a shady guy I knew of. BTW I did grow up in one of the meth capitals of the world.

TCHB
01-09-2005, 03:20 PM
Why is it we can go to the moon and can not solve this drug issue???? It seems like after all these years of drugs in our country we could solve this issue if we wanted?????

fat rat
01-09-2005, 03:36 PM
theirs to much$$$ in it for the goverment :wink:
Not a big east coast thing from what I see and hear..........we got plenty of crack heads running the street, I'm sure just as bad.

Kilrtoy
01-09-2005, 03:37 PM
Why is it we can go to the moon and can not solve this drug issue???? It seems like after all these years of drugs in our country we could solve this issue if we wanted?????
That has already been done,
But people refuse to stop using it.
Boat cop summomed it up, I believe that housewifes are or used to be the #1 user in America.....
Lets get this straight,
DRUGS is not a disease, it is a weekness....

Havasu_Dreamin
01-09-2005, 03:44 PM
You're not the last to not have tried that sutff. I can honestly say I've never tried any illegal substance.

Phat Matt
01-09-2005, 04:00 PM
I worked with a guy who lost everything, went to rehab, came back to work a year later and lasted les than a week before he was back on it. He went back to rehab and I think he is fine now but it was crazy seeing the changes. He was stealing his kids stuff and selling it for money. He always needed $5 for gas. It was pretty ugly. Nasty stuff. :yuk:

Flying Tiger
01-09-2005, 04:05 PM
That's rght, the open sores.
Usually they're picking at sores on the side of their neck.

ahhell
01-09-2005, 04:09 PM
Meth is the official drug of the high desert. I work at a local hospital up here and you can always tell the tweekers...cant sit still, skinny as death, bad complections, decaying or missing teeth, smoking ALOT...BOATCOP summed it up in his post...nasty shit :mad: :mad: :mad:

Newcastle
01-09-2005, 04:15 PM
It's actually amazing to see how much meth is around and how easy it is to get. Coke used to be the stimulant of choice, but meth is cheaper and has a longer effect. Its become much more popular in Orange County. And the Inland Empire, forget about it. There are so many labs out here its ridiculous.
And the worst part about it? In California, it's a misdemeanor for being under the influence of meth. If you're caught in possession, its a felony. Kinda dumb if you ask me. So if you get caught 20 mins after using it, its a lesser charge. After getting arrested for under the influence, all you'd get would be a day or two in jail and some classes. I heard some people are trying to pass a law which states if you're arrested for under the influence, and complete the classes, its erased from your record. Pretty weak if you ask me.
Tweakers account for a huge percentage of many crimes, such as vehicle burglaries, thefts, robberies, etc. just to get the quick cash to buy their next hit. They don't carry a huge stash, or plan for the future, all they think about is how they're going to pay for their next hit. Next time your car gets broken into and something is stolen that you worked hard to afford, just think- some POS tweaker out there smashed your window and sold your $350 stereo for $20 to a POS pawnshop owner so he could get high for a couple hours.
Sorry if I seem negative about the subject, I just hate tweakers and what meth does to them. Just my .02. Boy, I could go on and on....

Havasu Hangin'
01-09-2005, 04:22 PM
DRUGS is not a disease, it is a weekness....
But if the "weakness" is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain...then isn't weakness actually is a disease?

Kilrtoy
01-09-2005, 04:30 PM
But if the "weakness" is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain...then isn't weakness actually is a disease?
BULLSHIT.
Cancer is a disease,
Meth is a weakness.
I have never seen anyone go
"HEY BRO, Lets snort some cancer and then shoot sum up.
ROCK AND ROLL DUDE, lets do it.....
But that is how the conversation goes with tweekers. They choose to ruin their brains....
Cancer chooses you and there is nothing you can do....

Havasu Hangin'
01-09-2005, 04:37 PM
BULLSHIT.
Kilr...I personally know people who have had mental illness (adictive personality) that were cured with drugs.
Since it can be cured...I'd say it is a disease?
There are many different reasons why people do what they do. Saying that mental illness brought on by a chemical imbalance (where alcoholism, etc.is not the cause- just the effect) is a "weakness" is like saying that a diabetic can control his blood sugar "if he really wanted to".

Kilrtoy
01-09-2005, 04:43 PM
Jeff, I see what you are saying, but after living this shit for almost 12 years now, I have to disagree.
My aunt has this chemical imbalance you speak of and yes it was brought on from years of drug abuse. If she never did this and spent years of doing all these things, she would not be crazy, toothless and look like she is 120 years old at 57.....
Drugs are a choice, plain and simple...

Havasu Hangin'
01-09-2005, 04:56 PM
My aunt has this chemical imbalance you speak of and yes it was brought on from years of drug abuse...
Maybe the chemical imbalance caused her to get into drugs?
Ever know someone that was bi-polar or manic depressive? Man...I've seen people try to kill themselves with drugs and alcohol...and they didn't even know it. Even when they got off drugs...it wasn't pretty.
I'm not making excuses for drug addicts, because every situation is different. However, to make a blanket statement like "drugs are a weakness" is like saying that all people that have liver disease chose it by drinking to excess (it just isn't true in all cases).

Kilrtoy
01-09-2005, 05:01 PM
That is her a bi-polar manic depressant, I have to disagree this was brought on by years of smoking weed and taking all those mind altering drugs, while living life with all the rock stars, hells Angels and pro baseball players in her younger years....

Havasu Hangin'
01-09-2005, 05:05 PM
That is her a bi-polar manic depressant, I have to disagree this was brought on by years of smoking weed and taking all those mind altering drugs, while living life with all the rock stars, hells Angels and pro basball players in her younger years....
I also know someone like this. They had such an addictive personality, that they did EVERYTHING to excess (even smoking). They would almost kill themselves with booze, and eventually ended up on heroin.
However, the addictions were the effect of the disorder, not the cause. It was easy to see if you look at their childhood (before the drugs). They had very self-destructive tendencies, and very little self esteem.

Flyinbowtie
01-09-2005, 05:14 PM
Methamphetamine attacks all seven receptors in the human brain.
It is the only substance known to do so..
Methamphetamine attacks and destroys cells in the liver. The reason tweakers get sores on their bodies is simple.
The liver just cannot process all of the toxic material contained in crank, so it sends the toxins out through the other convienent exit, the pores of the skin.
Since the heart rate of someone under the influence is 25% or higher above that of someone who is not, the user is generally sweating, providing the liver a chance to catch up by ejecting the toxins via the sweat. One reason tweakers smell so bad is due to the chemicals their bodies are trying to expel.
The human heart is obviously damaged by meth use.
Cells in the brain are destroyed as the abuser continues to use more and more meth to achieve the "high" they intially experienced. Those who smoke crank are required to heat the substance to a much higher temp than Tobbacco, to get it to vaporize, which is why glass pipes are used, wooden ones would ignite.
Inhaling smoke that is this hot damages the lung tissues, causing a crsytalization of the tissue. The toxins are then spread over the inner walls of the lung, and becoming much more difficult for the liver to process. The lungs deteriorate at a rate much higher than cigarette smokers. A tweakers lung looks like one of a smoker who smoked menthol cigs for 25 years, only worse.
Thosse who inject crank to get the instant rush are facing all of the issues associated with the use of non-sterile syringes, and we don't need to go there.
Having been to autopsies and seen a normal human brain and one of a tweaker, I can tell you the only way to descibe the tweaker brain is that it looks shrunken compared to the normal brain. The loss of cells is why recovering addicts descibe the years of abuse as a big blank spot in their lives, both in their ability to remember, and the natural growth and maturation that occurs as one ages. Addicts I have worked with who used during their teen years and stopped in their twenties tell me they feel like a pre-teen in an adult body.
I humbly disagree with the statement that their is to much $ in dealing with crank for government to want to stop it.
Crank costs us all so damn much money that the economy would see a marked improvement if it could be stopped. The vast majority of the property crime in my area is directly related to tweakers stealing to support their habits. Children born to addicted parents are a tragedy both in the human and economic sense of the word.
The number of lives that are destroyed and damaged by this drug is really tough to comprehend. Jobs lost = money not in the economy and taxes not paid.
Whole families turned upside down, never to be the same again.
Proprety destroyed during the manufacturing process. The environmental nightmare of a lab dumpsite is unreal.
Several people in my small county die violently every year because of this drug. Homicides, car accidents, you name it.
Crank is unlike any drug I have ever seen in 25 years of cop work.
I know and deal with a number of heroin addicts who have been addicted for years. They carry on in a funtional state, work, etc. Almost a normal existence. They are way under the radar.
I rarely meet anyone who has used crank on a regular basis for more than ten years. They don't live that long.
It kills them. One way or another, car wreck, aids, liver/heart failure, AIDS, suicide, homicide, something. It kills them. There are few people out there who can use crank "socially" or to lose a little weight who don't wind up a full blown tweaker. Addiction to this drug does not mean it is a part of your life. Addiction to this drug means it has BECOME your life.
I am afraid that before it runs its course or fades away, meth is going to kill more people than the great plagues of Europe did in the dark ages. I think it will exceed the death and destrution totals of just about anything we have come up with to date.
Sorry for the rant...

Kilrtoy
01-09-2005, 05:48 PM
Awesome post, Thank you.......

jbtrailerjim
01-09-2005, 05:53 PM
Tweakers account for a huge percentage of many crimes, such as vehicle burglaries, thefts, robberies, etc. just to get the quick cash to buy their next hit. They don't carry a huge stash, or plan for the future, all they think about is how they're going to pay for their next hit. Next time your car gets broken into and something is stolen that you worked hard to afford, just think- some POS tweaker out there smashed your window and sold your $350 stereo for $20 to a POS pawnshop owner so he could get high for a couple hours.
Yep, they usually turn into thieves. Some tweakers stole my wifes car last year. A fellow board member was the officer who caught them a couple of day's later in my wifes car. He talked his sargeant into letting him drive our car back to the Sherrifs Dept and let us come pick it up. I got to see both of the dirt bags when I picked up the car and I felt like punching both the f'n dirtbags. They left some used needles in the car to. I found them when I was cleaning it out. :yuk:

Flyinbowtie
01-09-2005, 05:56 PM
Thanks, Kilr...
Sometimes I am afraid I will go too far, and hurt somebody or piss someone off. It is a hazard of the job, tho....
This subject, however, is near and dear to me heart. I have simply seen too much misery and death in the world because of this crap. I lived with a pager on my hip out of a duffle bag for a couple of years on a Task Force fighting this stuff, and the people I dealt who's lives were ruined are indelibly etched into my mind.

Newcastle
01-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Yep, they usually turn into thieves. Some tweakers stole my wifes car last year. A fellow board member was the officer who caught them a couple of day's later in my wifes car. :yuk:
No kidding...small world. It wasn't but a month ago or so when somebody posted that a boat had been stolen somewhere near Cypress or Buena Park (I forget which city it had been in). Anyway, I looked for it while I was working but never found it. Must not have been in my neck of the woods.

Newcastle
01-09-2005, 06:31 PM
Thanks, Kilr...
Sometimes I am afraid I will go too far, and hurt somebody or piss someone off. It is a hazard of the job, tho....
This subject, however, is near and dear to me heart. I have simply seen too much misery and death in the world because of this crap. I lived with a pager on my hip out of a duffle bag for a couple of years on a Task Force fighting this stuff, and the people I dealt who's lives were ruined are indelibly etched into my mind.
I'm with ya...trust me. You didn't go too far. It kills me to see so many young people use it, not knowing or caring what the consequences are. If only they could see how it's affected so many people that I've/we've dealt with.

Infomaniac
01-09-2005, 06:37 PM
Here are some permanent effects: http://www.***boat.com/forums/customavatars/avatar1312_1.gif
Seriously though. My little brother has been messed up on that stuff for 10+ years. His brain is fried, he has been in and out of jail. Snatching purses from ladies at Walmart etc. Stealing from family, lies, cheats whatever it takes.
Very sad.

Jbb
01-09-2005, 06:38 PM
Here are some permanent effects: http://www.***boat.com/forums/customavatars/avatar1312_1.gif
Seriously though. My little brother has been messed up on that stuff for 10+ years. His brain is fried, he has been in and out of jail. Snatching purses from ladies at Walmart etc. Stealing from family, lies, cheats whatever it takes.
Very sad.
Not meth.....Jet fumes....!

Scream
01-09-2005, 06:49 PM
What are the Permanent Side Effects of Crystal Meth Addiction?
Touretts syndrome. Awfull to be around.
I don't think this has anything to do with Meth. My son has Tourettes and certainly isn't on meth...
Scream

Boatcop
01-09-2005, 06:56 PM
To bring the subject a little closer to home, and keep this a "boating" related thread, here's a little news update.
Most of you will remember the PWC vs. boat crash that happenned here on the Strip last Sept. (2004) It happened just down from Road Runner where the woman on a PWC (at night) took off into toward the middle of the river right into the path of an oncoming boat.
There was a baggie of meth in her shorts pocket and autopsy results showed methamphetamine in her system, not to mention a BAC well above the limit.
Don't think we boaters are imune to its effects on the River. There's more of it out there than you may think. Giving it soft sounding names like "Crystal" or "Ice" doesn't make it any less of a danger. Either to the user or the rest of us.
And just some info for info's sake. The main ingredient in Ecstasy is methamphetamine. Ecstacy's chemical name is MDMA, which stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine.

ahhell
01-09-2005, 07:00 PM
overall its side effects are numerous,staying awake or being thin isnt worth it!!!!!!!!meth (http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/methamphetamine.html)

Jetboatguru
01-09-2005, 07:04 PM
This is the permanent effect!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/504/9780hanson20-med.jpg
Any questions? :rollside:

Keithb87
01-09-2005, 07:20 PM
As I posted back in October, I now have over 5 years clean from Meth.. A nasty Drug indeed. To date, (other than being 40 # overweight) I have no side effects. I'm as smart as I ever was, my memory is fine and All of my organs function fine.
Depending on the method of ingestion and what the Dealer cut your stuff with ( b-12 vitiman, baby laxitive, Lye, Baking Powder ect) and weather you eat, mix in a drink,snort, smoke, ot shoot in a vien, make all the difference in the amount of damage to your organs. Eating, Drinking, or Snorting would mess more with the nasal passages, and the digestive system. Smoking obviously would affect the respitory system, and "Slamming" or shooting it in a vein.. Does the most damage to your entire body.
Had I no stopped when I did, I would probaly be dead now. Meth messes with your ability to reason, know right from wrong, and will ruin you in the end.
It is an UGLY DRUG... It WILL F' up your life....
Keith ( a lucky Survivor) B87

Boatcop
01-09-2005, 07:30 PM
I have no side effects.
You did lose the mullet, right?
:D

MizBubba
01-09-2005, 07:57 PM
Not a big east coast thing from what I see and hear..........we got plenty of crack heads running the street, I'm sure just as bad.
Yeah, I ran into one of the crazy crackheads Christmas night... he attacked me & my 12 year old daughter in our car while we were stopped at a red light. Didn't hurt us, but scared the $hit out of us! Took 4 squad cars to take him down.
I've never tried any form of drugs, other that alcohol... but I feel for the ones who are hooked & can't get off!

my olds
01-09-2005, 08:34 PM
I am new here but have been lurking for a long time. I know the effects of meth first hand. I have been clean since 99, I have some of the side effects but I think I got clean before the rest set in. I have lost some of my teeth, and my memory sucks, I now have a blood pressure condition that I take meds for everyday. I will agree with kiltroy that its a weakness instead of a disease. When I was on it it wasn't a social habit, it was an everyday habit. On the average week it would be around 300 bucks. that might seem high for some and low for others but its alot now that i think about it... The people I hung around with back then are really bad off, ones in jail for attempted murder on his girlfriend, the other ones dead, just thought I'd share my side of the drug...
Thanks for letting me share...
Jim

Scream
01-09-2005, 08:47 PM
I am new here but have been lurking for a long time. I know the effects of meth first hand. I have been clean since 99, I have some of the side effects but I think I got clean before the rest set in. I have lost some of my teeth, and my memory sucks, I now have a blood pressure condition that I take meds for everyday. I will agree with kiltroy that its a weakness instead of a disease. When I was on it it wasn't a social habit, it was an everyday habit. On the average week it would be around 300 bucks. that might seem high for some and low for others but its alot now that i think about it... The people I hung around with back then are really bad off, ones in jail for attempted murder on his girlfriend, the other ones dead, just thought I'd share my side of the drug...
Thanks for letting me share...
Jim
Jim, you and Kieth are the lucky ones with regards to this drug. You've made the right decision to be done with it and move on with your lives. congrats to you for being away from the meth for almost 6 years. you can buy new teeth, memory on the other hand...lol sorry, had to throw that in. You'd fit in good with Deb and I, we don't have a memory either...
Scream

BIGTYME
01-09-2005, 10:53 PM
Is METH a major contributing factor to Chrons Disease? A family member has Chrons Disease, and has been know to be on dope in his younger days - Is there a real close connection?
I have asked a few times about what brought on the disease and the only answer I get is " the doctor's have no idea " crap.

Flying Tiger
01-09-2005, 11:16 PM
I understand the two biggest causes of Chrons are:
1. Antibotics.
2. Powered drug abuse.
Someone mentioned in an above post about ability to reason gets lost permanently too.
That's a major symptom that seems to stay well after they put the stuff down.
Abusers only admit to a few of the symptoms, or none. Denial is another major symptom it seems.
The Touretts is whats scary, or funny because it's self inflicted..
One major former user just bought 2 very used Banshees that are book valued (m/c trader) at about $6K total.
He paid $14K total.
I don't think you could find them new for that expensive if ya shopped for days. They're much cheaper new.
Total loss of reason and money.

Ducatista
01-10-2005, 11:13 AM
Wow, talk about extreme makeover the wrong way...nasty photos. Good info here, thanks. I had no idea about this stuff, didn't seem to exist in the seventies. :wink: To Keith & Jim....good job. :cool:

Havasu_Dreamin
01-10-2005, 11:22 AM
On the average week it would be around 300 bucks.
That's a $15k a year drug habit! :sqeyes:

Propchecker
01-10-2005, 11:51 AM
Two symptoms of meth abuse I've noticed are:
1. Really bad taste in vehicles, like a beater Ford fairmont with some original paint, peeling top, red duct tape tail lights and candy wrappers stuck in the craters of the rotted dashboard
2. It appears your favorite restaurant becomes Arco AM/PM :rollside:

Wicky
01-10-2005, 12:06 PM
TWEAKERS SUCK!!!
Plain and simple.
I wish the cops would go after the tweakers more and the ganja smoking people less but, I guess the tweakers usually don't have the money to pay for a lawyer...pay for the courts...pay for the fines...etc etc. It's all about the money when it comes to the legal system in most cases. Kinda like .08 BAC vs .10 BAC. .08 turned DUIs into a billion dollar industry. Talk about job security. It's all about the money in most cases.
Mow,
Wicky

Wicky
01-10-2005, 12:16 PM
I have to disagree this was brought on by years of smoking weed ....
Kilr, you haven't a clue as to some of the people I know who have been smoking for over 50 years and you could never tell they were potheads. This is in Law enforcement too. I wish I could tell you some names but, I can't. Let's just say they were at the top of your game. Let's not even mention politics, law, medicine, and of course entertainment. Yes, tweakers suck.
You are brainwashed on the other subject.
Keep on drinking your booze Kilr,
Wicky

Kilrtoy
01-10-2005, 12:30 PM
First off if you are gonna qoute me, QOUTE THE WHOLE DAMN PHRASE, dont cut and paste to suit your needs
here is it
I have to disagree this was brought on by years of smoking weed and taking all those mind altering drugs
And yes im pretty knowledgable on this stuff.
Just because you smoke a little weed once in awhile, and you were saying what........
So some cops, Lawyers, doctors, politicians smoke weed recreationally, what is your point, cuz im missing it...
The BAC was lowered to save lives, If you think it was to make money, you need to smoke another one and think up some more crazy shit......
Like smoking weed helps me expand my mind..... :coffeycup

Wicky
01-10-2005, 12:34 PM
First off if you are gonna qoute me, QOUTE THE WHOLE DAMN PHRASE, dont cut and paste to suit your needs
here is it
I have to disagree this was brought on by years of smoking weed and taking all those mind altering drugs
And yes im pretty knowledgable on this stuff.
Just because you smoke a little weed once in awhile, and you were saying what........
So some cops, Lawyers, doctors, politicians smoke weed recreationally, what is your point, cuz im missing it...
The BAC was lowered to save lives, If you think it was to make money, you need to smoke another one and think up some more crazy shit......
Like smoking weed helps me expand my mind..... :coffeycup
You just made my point...brainwashed!!

Kilrtoy
01-10-2005, 12:36 PM
I guess to reach your state of mind I would have to lit one up, guess I'll never make it....

fat rat
01-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Yeah, I ran into one of the crazy crackheads Christmas night... he attacked me & my 12 year old daughter in our car while we were stopped at a red light. Didn't hurt us, but scared the $hit out of us! Took 4 squad cars to take him down.
I've never tried any form of drugs, other that alcohol... but I feel for the ones who are hooked & can't get off!
Sorry to hear about your incident, glad everyone one is OK............that seems to be a daily occorrence around here.

Wicky
01-10-2005, 12:56 PM
I guess to reach your state of mind I would have to lit one up, guess I'll never make it....
Sorry Kilr,
I'm only on the most abused drug in the world CAFFEINE!!!! Who taught you how to spell anyway?
Here's a little quote about DUI according to NHSTA
Are All Alcohol-Related Crashes Caused by Alcohol?
An alcohol-related motor vehicle crash occurs when a motor vehicle collides with a non-occupant (e.g., a pedestrian, a bicyclist) or an object (e.g., another vehicle, a guardrail) and at least one of the drivers or non-occupants has a positive BAC. Although research clearly documents that drinking alcohol is associated with motor vehicle crashes, it is, of course, true that some motor vehicle crashes involving positive BACs would have occurred even if no alcohol had been consumed because of the presence of other factors such as bad weather, poor road conditions, and so forth. Researchers have estimated the percentage of alcohol-related crashes that are attributable or due to alcohol (i.e., would not have occurred in the absence of alcohol) at various driver BAC levels (Borkenstein et al. 1974).
· 91% at BACs at or above .10,
They give the other percentages but the math doesn't add up.
Wicky

Flyinbowtie
01-10-2005, 12:56 PM
Wicky;
Was gonna keep my mouth shut on this, but can't.
I do have a clue based on damn near a quarter centery of dealing with this.
I would beg to differ on your conclusion that kilr is brainwashed, and I can assure that I am not.
.08 became the law becasue it better reflects the level of intoxication necessary to cause the average human being to become impaired. Not drunk, hammered, plowed or out of control. Just impaired.
In my experience, many of the DUI drivers I have engaged in professional contact with are well beyond 08 or 10. I think it would be safe to say they are up there in the .15-.16 range.
In California, a driving act demonstrating impairment is a focal point in every case. The impaired driver behind the wheel is in control of that, not the cop. If they are impaired, and a cop can see it in their driving, a conviction can be obtained at much less than .08
Our courts are so slammed out here with cases that lowering the limit to "increase business" would be the furtherest thing from the minds of the prosecutors, probation officers, etc. More business is not what we need.
As for smoking weed, I know that people from all walks of life do all kinds of things.
No surprise or great revelation here.
I could also parade a bus load of folks down the street that are absolutely burned out from smoking too much weed for too many years. The THC content in the "ganja" as you put it, is about 5 times what it was thirty years ago. This ain't the same dope that was being smoked in the seventies.
And for what it's worth, the reformed meth abusers I iknow all told me that when they quit the crank they quit the weed, too. That in itself is good enough for me.
If you want to see your local law enforcement agencies change they way they are working the streets, then tell them via your elected representatives.
Monday Morning quarterbacking from the sidelines is without value.
1974 stats have changed alittle , too. Gen X is driving now, and Gen Y is too.
I gotta go, back in a couple hours.

Tremor Therapy
01-10-2005, 01:03 PM
Thanks Bowtie! I appreciate the posts! As a father of 3 teenage daughters, I preach to this all the time....Boatcop, I am sending my "bullet proof" daughters the links to this thread as we speak. Maybe if they hear (read) it from others, they might think that old dad isn't as full of shit as they first thought!

Wicky
01-10-2005, 01:05 PM
I guess to reach your state of mind I would have to lit one up, guess I'll never make it....
You could never reach my state of mind. You are soldier. You are trained to "not think" but instead, "to react", in any given circumstance.
Thank you for serving and protecting.
Wicky

Jrocket
01-10-2005, 01:16 PM
I just love to hear a pot smoker defend their actions,its so amusing!

Wicky
01-10-2005, 01:16 PM
Wicky;
Was gonna keep my mouth shut on this, but can't.
I do have a clue based on damn near a quarter centery of dealing with this.
I would beg to differ on your conclusion that kilr is brainwashed, and I can assure that I am not.
.08 became the law becasue it better reflects the level of intoxication necessary to cause the average human being to become impaired. Not drunk, hammered, plowed or out of control. Just impaired.
In my experience, many of the DUI drivers I have engaged in professional contact with are well beyond 08 or 10. I think it would be safe to say they are up there in the .15-.16 range.
In California, a driving act demonstrating impairment is a focal point in every case. The impaired driver behind the wheel is in control of that, not the cop. If they are impaired, and a cop can see it in their driving, a conviction can be obtained at much less than .08
Our courts are so slammed out here with cases that lowering the limit to "increase business" would be the furtherest thing from the minds of the prosecutors, probation officers, etc. More business is not what we need.
As for smoking weed, I know that people from all walks of life do all kinds of things.
No surprise or great revelation here.
I could also parade a bus load of folks down the street that are absolutely burned out from smoking too much weed for too many years. The THC content in the "ganja" as you put it, is about 5 times what it was thirty years ago. This ain't the same dope that was being smoked in the seventies.
And for what it's worth, the reformed meth abusers I iknow all told me that when they quit the crank they quit the weed, too. That in itself is good enough for me.
If you want to see your local law enforcement agencies change they way they are working the streets, then tell them via your elected representatives.
Monday Morning quarterbacking from the sidelines is without value.
1974 stats have changed alittle , too. Gen X is driving now, and Gen Y is too.
I gotta go, back in a couple hours.
There are two sides to every argument. Here's some food for thought.
Go to jail for .08 today and .05 tomorrow!!! (http://damm-madd.com/DAMMp2.shtml)

Ziggy
01-10-2005, 01:19 PM
I'd call my Ex and see what she thought of this subject but I wouldn't want to wake the sleeping tiger this time of day---I'd have to wait until a good 12 hrs from now to be safe that she's WIDE Awake :notam: :frown: :devil:

Wicky
01-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Wicky;
And for what it's worth, the reformed meth abusers I iknow all told me that when they quit the crank they quit the weed, too. That in itself is good enough for me.
.
Of course they're going to tell you that...if they didn't tell ya that you would have to take them to jail!!! Besides, most tweakers don't like pot.
Wicky

Havasu_Dreamin
01-10-2005, 01:42 PM
The two of you aint ever going to agree so why perpetuate this virtual pissing contest?

thesunking
01-10-2005, 01:47 PM
The people (contractors/neighbors) that sometimes I have to work with that have been crystal meth users for about 3 to 5 years most have these permanent afflictions:[/IMG]
Hi, newbie here who has been in lurk mode for awhile. This rain that started on X-mas weekend has put me on a part-time basis (a lot of day's off) with no pay. Anyhow, I took my last BUMP back in '89 and I basically went into this detox. I dealt with it in my own way to clean myself up and have been clean thus far. Although, the industry that I work in is completely polluted with users on a daily basis. Some show more and some don't and can pull it off really good.
I wanted to recommend two dvd rentals for those of you at home like myself on rainy days that cover the issues on tweek. These have been out for some time and some of you may have seen these already.
<img src=http://services.windowsmedia.com/dvdcover/cov150/drt300/t323/t32368cuefd.jpg>A crystal-meth addict struggles to get his next fix as he obsesses over a recent breakup in Spun, a black-comic drug drama from music video director Jonas Akerlund. Rushmore's Jason Schwartzman stars as Ross, a young man who finds his maniacal world crumbling around him over the course of one long weekend. Spun chronicles Ross' travails as he tries to score from his regular dealer, Spider Mike (John Leguizamo), who realizes during Ross' visit that he's misplaced his stash. Indisposed by the frantic drug search, Spider Mike's girlfriend, Cookie (Mena Suvari), enlists Ross to pick up her stripper friend Nikki (Brittany Murphy) from work, and when he grudgingly agrees, he learns that Nikki might have an inside line on some of her own speed, courtesy of The Cook (Mickey Rourke). Meanwhile, two bumbling cops are onto Spider Mike's trail, and in his paranoid-delusional state, he sets out to find out who set him up.
<img src=http://services.windowsmedia.com/dvdcover/cov150/drt200/t212/t21254hzvpc.jpg>The feature film debut of producer and TV director D.J. Caruso, this pulpy noir mystery is a dark tale of redemption set among southern California crystal methamphetamine "tweakers." Val Kilmer stars as Danny Parker, a former trumpet player who has become a tattooed speed freak living in a cesspool of murderous dealers and hardcore addicts near the desert lake of the title. Danny's fall from grace is the result of a hidden agenda, however -- he's seeking answers about the murder of his beloved wife. He's also working undercover for a pair of brutal narcotics cops (Anthony Lapaglia and Doug Hutchison), while trying to rescue his beautiful neighbor Colette (Deborah Kara Unger) from an abusive situation and her own demons. As he and his slacker buddy Jimmy the Fin (Peter Sarsgaard) are antagonized by the sadistic, noseless dealer Pooh Bear (Vincent D'Onofrio) and his henchman, Danny draws closer to the truth about his wife's death, but the crime's solution isn't quite what he expected. Produced by Frank Darabont, The Salton Sea co-stars Adam Goldberg, Meat Loaf, Luis Guzman, and Azura Skye.

Slider
01-10-2005, 01:59 PM
A sure sign!***boat addiction

lucky
01-10-2005, 02:04 PM
the female vagina flaps int the wind :jawdrop:

Flyinbowtie
01-10-2005, 02:24 PM
HD,
Agreement was never expected :)
Wicky...They don't have to tell me their clean, I test 'em ;)
FBT< Done with this....

Havasu_Dreamin
01-10-2005, 02:26 PM
HD,
Agreement was never expected :)
Cool. I fall on your side of the discussion anyway.

ROZ
01-10-2005, 02:40 PM
And just some info for info's sake. The main ingredient in Ecstasy is methamphetamine. Ecstacy's chemical name is MDMA, which stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
HA! I was just about to post that....
All bad stuff......

Wicky
01-10-2005, 03:05 PM
HD,
Agreement was never expected :)
Wicky...They don't have to tell me their clean, I test 'em ;)
FBT< Done with this....
Even more so then. They can still do their crank and be flushed out by monday morning. Can't do that with pot. This brings up another point.
Tweakers still tweak even with FBT testing them. My brothers a P.O and he knows this as good as you and I.
Much respect FBT,
Wicky

my olds
01-10-2005, 03:11 PM
I would like to say thanks for the encouragement on staying clean, its a uphill battle every day. I would like to say that from my point of view(former addict) weed doesnt even come into play when talking about my experience, I only smoked weed a handful of times in my life... Last time was 97... weed wasnt even a factor with my addiction, didnt like the dry mouth.. I liked the fact of going,going,going,
It was an expensive habit, but thats all gone now. Got money in the bank, I work 2 jobs and I got a great life..... ( a great wife, 5 great kids and I'm healthy) thats all I need.......
Over the years that I did it I spent about 60000 in putting shyt up my nose, I wish I could get that back, but I get some enjoyment out of telling my story to my kids and scaring the hell out of them on the effects of meth and other drugs :D :D

Keithb87
01-10-2005, 03:25 PM
I would like to say thanks for the encouragement on staying clean, its a uphill battle every day. I would like to say that from my point of view(former addict) weed doesnt even come into play when talking about my experience, I only smoked weed a handful of times in my life... Last time was 97... weed wasnt even a factor with my addiction, didnt like the dry mouth.. I liked the fact of going,going,going,
It was an expensive habit, but thats all gone now. Got money in the bank, I work 2 jobs and I got a great life..... ( a great wife, 5 great kids and I'm healthy) thats all I need.......
Over the years that I did it I spent about 60000 in putting shyt up my nose, I wish I could get that back, but I get some enjoyment out of telling my story to my kids and scaring the hell out of them on the effects of meth and other drugs :D :D
Ditto :)
I like to tell my story to others as well.. I feel that if I can keep one person from using, or get one person to put down the pipe I have succeded in helping society. As for the 60K spent, I have no idea. I lost way more than that (I think) House, cars, wife, kids, etc. etc.
I put about 300 to 500 a day up my nose and in my lungs.. and used Weed to come down off of a 5 day / 5 night run on meth. The people I hung around with were less that desirable.. But I did not drive a Ford Farimount.. :) The stories could go on and on.. But I might implicate myself and others so I'll stop..
Thanks again for the encouragment to stay clean.. I'll never go back. But I'll never forget either. (See Sig) :D

Phat Matt
01-10-2005, 03:45 PM
And just some info for info's sake. The main ingredient in Ecstasy is methamphetamine. Ecstacy's chemical name is MDMA, which stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine
HA! I was just about to post that....
All bad stuff......
I don't think that's a true statement from a chemical standpoint. They are different substances chemically. That's kind of like saying Carbon Monoxide (CO) is good because it's main ingredient is Oxygen (O). When the molecules combine, they become different.
It's been awhile since I was in the chemistry lab so I may be wrong, and don't get your panties in a bunch, I'm not condoning one or the other, I just needed to point that out. :D And for the record, I still have all my teeth. :D

RP1
01-10-2005, 04:51 PM
I don't think that's a true statement from a chemical standpoint. They are different substances chemically. That's kind of like saying Carbon Monoxide (CO) is good because it's main ingredient is Oxygen (O). When the molecules combine, they become different.
It's been awhile since I was in the chemistry lab so I may be wrong, and don't get your panties in a bunch, I'm not condoning one or the other, I just needed to point that out. :D And for the record, I still have all my teeth. :D
You are both partly correct...
The accuracy comes in with the cut and dosage. The "meth" effect depends upon the amount used to create the drug itself. Normally there is not enough ephedrine used to gain the "meth" addiction tendancies.

Phat Matt
01-10-2005, 04:58 PM
You are both partly correct...
The accuracy comes in with the cut and dosage. The "meth" effect depends upon the amount used to create the drug itself. Normally there is not enough ephedrine used to gain the "meth" addiction tendancies.
I'm not talking about how much meth was cut up with the ecstasy pill, I'm talking about MDMA in it's pure form. That shit could be cut up with tons of different things.

RP1
01-10-2005, 05:12 PM
Methamphetamine attacks all seven receptors in the human brain.
It is the only substance known to do so..
Methamphetamine attacks and destroys cells in the liver. The reason tweakers get sores on their bodies is simple.
The liver just cannot process all of the toxic material contained in crank, so it sends the toxins out through the other convienent exit, the pores of the skin.
Since the heart rate of someone under the influence is 25% or higher above that of someone who is not, the user is generally sweating, providing the liver a chance to catch up by ejecting the toxins via the sweat. One reason tweakers smell so bad is due to the chemicals their bodies are trying to expel.
The human heart is obviously damaged by meth use.
Cells in the brain are destroyed as the abuser continues to use more and more meth to achieve the "high" they intially experienced. Those who smoke crank are required to heat the substance to a much higher temp than Tobbacco, to get it to vaporize, which is why glass pipes are used, wooden ones would ignite.
Inhaling smoke that is this hot damages the lung tissues, causing a crsytalization of the tissue. The toxins are then spread over the inner walls of the lung, and becoming much more difficult for the liver to process. The lungs deteriorate at a rate much higher than cigarette smokers. A tweakers lung looks like one of a smoker who smoked menthol cigs for 25 years, only worse.
Thosse who inject crank to get the instant rush are facing all of the issues associated with the use of non-sterile syringes, and we don't need to go there.
Having been to autopsies and seen a normal human brain and one of a tweaker, I can tell you the only way to descibe the tweaker brain is that it looks shrunken compared to the normal brain. The loss of cells is why recovering addicts descibe the years of abuse as a big blank spot in their lives, both in their ability to remember, and the natural growth and maturation that occurs as one ages. Addicts I have worked with who used during their teen years and stopped in their twenties tell me they feel like a pre-teen in an adult body.
I humbly disagree with the statement that their is to much $ in dealing with crank for government to want to stop it.
Crank costs us all so damn much money that the economy would see a marked improvement if it could be stopped. The vast majority of the property crime in my area is directly related to tweakers stealing to support their habits. Children born to addicted parents are a tragedy both in the human and economic sense of the word.
The number of lives that are destroyed and damaged by this drug is really tough to comprehend. Jobs lost = money not in the economy and taxes not paid.
Whole families turned upside down, never to be the same again.
Proprety destroyed during the manufacturing process. The environmental nightmare of a lab dumpsite is unreal.
Several people in my small county die violently every year because of this drug. Homicides, car accidents, you name it.
Crank is unlike any drug I have ever seen in 25 years of cop work.
I know and deal with a number of heroin addicts who have been addicted for years. They carry on in a funtional state, work, etc. Almost a normal existence. They are way under the radar.
I rarely meet anyone who has used crank on a regular basis for more than ten years. They don't live that long.
It kills them. One way or another, car wreck, aids, liver/heart failure, AIDS, suicide, homicide, something. It kills them. There are few people out there who can use crank "socially" or to lose a little weight who don't wind up a full blown tweaker. Addiction to this drug does not mean it is a part of your life. Addiction to this drug means it has BECOME your life.
I am afraid that before it runs its course or fades away, meth is going to kill more people than the great plagues of Europe did in the dark ages. I think it will exceed the death and destrution totals of just about anything we have come up with to date.
Sorry for the rant...
Well said... I deal with the cause and effect of these types of drugs very often and can't begin to tell you the things that I have seen people do in order to get their drugs.
I have investigated many crimes that were committed because of the need to get these drugs that they "choose" to let take over their lives. I am not saying that they do not have an addiction problem, merely that they choose to allow themselves to be susceptable to the addiction, by making the choice to do the drug.
It is hard for the lay person to understand the cause and effect that these drugs have on people unless you deal with them on a regular basis.
Flyinbowtie and Kilr speak from personal experiences, and while you might not agree with some of their interpretations, they know first hand what they speak of.
my .02

RP1
01-10-2005, 05:19 PM
I'm not talking about how much meth was cut up with the ecstasy pill, I'm talking about MDMA in it's pure form. That shit could be cut up with tons of different things.
I do understand your point and I don't disagree. However we are talking about the street dosage, which is what I speak of.
I am not at work, or I would give you the exact formula along with its reagents. I think your point would be airtight then ;)

SHOTKALLIN
01-10-2005, 05:19 PM
You gotta be a fuggin retard to even smoke weed!

Phat Matt
01-10-2005, 05:26 PM
I do understand your point and I don't disagree. However we are talking about the street dosage, which is what I speak of.
I am not at work, or I would give you the exact formula along with its reagents. I think your point would be airtight then ;)
I understand what you are saying about the street stuff. I just wanted to clear up the original statement a little bit. :)

mike37
01-10-2005, 06:17 PM
all I can say to this is if you cant say no
you got a problem what ever it is get help now
and to the sthat kicked the habit go going

Kilrtoy
01-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Sorry Kilr,
I'm only on the most abused drug in the world CAFFEINE!!!! Who taught you how to spell anyway?
Here's a little quote about DUI according to NHSTA
Are All Alcohol-Related Crashes Caused by Alcohol?
An alcohol-related motor vehicle crash occurs when a motor vehicle collides with a non-occupant (e.g., a pedestrian, a bicyclist) or an object (e.g., another vehicle, a guardrail) and at least one of the drivers or non-occupants has a positive BAC. Although research clearly documents that drinking alcohol is associated with motor vehicle crashes, it is, of course, true that some motor vehicle crashes involving positive BACs would have occurred even if no alcohol had been consumed because of the presence of other factors such as bad weather, poor road conditions, and so forth. Researchers have estimated the percentage of alcohol-related crashes that are attributable or due to alcohol (i.e., would not have occurred in the absence of alcohol) at various driver BAC levels (Borkenstein et al. 1974).
· 91% at BACs at or above .10,
They give the other percentages but the math doesn't add up.
Wicky
Are you serious 1974, they were still telling people in 1974 if you want to be sexy smoke Cigarettes.... Wake up.
Accidents were caused by weather, of course they were. If they were not on something they would have realized that their driving was incorrect, Road conditions , Same as the weather.
lets get this straight
Sing it with my Wicky
DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE,
NOT A RIGHT. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRIVE AS YOU PLEASE.
You have the privilege to follow the rules or lose your PRIVILGE. iF YOU DONT LIKE THE RULES THEN DONT DRIVE.......

mike37
01-10-2005, 06:44 PM
hey Kilrtoy
I have a question
if you get drunk at a bar and have a DD
and you walk with your DD to the car can the police stop you and arrest you for drunk in public :idea:

Phat Matt
01-10-2005, 06:45 PM
hey Kilrtoy
I have a question
if you get drunk at a bar and have a DD
and you walk with your DD to the car can the police stop you and arrest you for drunk in public :idea:
Did you whip it out and take a piss before you got in the car? :D

jlnorthrup122
01-10-2005, 07:10 PM
Meth is a very distructive drug!! thanks to my current wife I got off the stuff 6 years ago as well! all the people who I did the stuff with stopped coming over to my house after I quit using! Also these people are dead, in prison snitchin on one another or recovering after losing it all! A gentleman I new who owned a succsesful brick laying business and a car lot got hooked on the stuff then started a laab at his carlot! When the fbi finnally cought up with him he shot hiself in the head in his closet during a stand off! Now he is dead and his kids are lft with nothing no perents nothing at all!!! Growing up as a kid my parents used the stuff when my mother wold come down us kids would learn the hard way to stay away from her!! I will not get into detail in that! But am glad to say my parents are clean as well!
Meth has been around for a long time durring WWII the Natzis would make this stuff with whatever they could find! Thus it was most likely that the drug was brought over to the US during WWII!
It would be noce to see this drug removed from the world but unfortanatly that will never happen. it will just keep being passed on to the next generation! the first time I used meth I was 15 years old!
the only thing we can do is teach our children and loved ones not to give in to this temptation!!

mike37
01-10-2005, 07:18 PM
Did you whip it out and take a piss before you got in the car? :D
no I have never bin arrested
but I have whipped it out to piss before
this was just a discussion we were having at work

Jrocket
01-10-2005, 07:23 PM
You gotta be a fuggin retard to even smoke weed!
Ohhhh man,your gonna hurt alot of feelings in the pot head world this way. :D
And I do agree with you.

Kilrtoy
01-10-2005, 07:27 PM
hey Kilrtoy
I have a question
if you get drunk at a bar and have a DD
and you walk with your DD to the car can the police stop you and arrest you for drunk in public :idea:
You would have to be unable to care for yourself in order to get arrested...

mike37
01-10-2005, 07:51 PM
You would have to be unable to care for yourself in order to get arrested...
but could you if you wanted to

Wicky
01-10-2005, 07:55 PM
You gotta be a fuggin retard to even smoke weed!
I am sofa king
We todd did!!
I guess Pres. Clinton sums that statement up best.

Wicky
01-10-2005, 07:57 PM
Are you serious 1974, they were still telling people in 1974 if you want to be sexy smoke Cigarettes.... Wake up.
Accidents were caused by weather, of course they were. If they were not on something they would have realized that their driving was incorrect, Road conditions , Same as the weather.
lets get this straight
Sing it with my Wicky
DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE,
NOT A RIGHT. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRIVE AS YOU PLEASE.
You have the privilege to follow the rules or lose your PRIVILGE. iF YOU DONT LIKE THE RULES THEN DONT DRIVE.......
Ahhhh, the Sofa King sings!!!
The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Kilrtoy
01-10-2005, 08:01 PM
Ahhhh, the Sofa King sings!!!
The wheels on the bus go round and round.
Hey dont forget to put your helmet on and snap that chin strap

randy77zt
01-10-2005, 08:50 PM
i am sure alot of members of this site where in high school/college in the 70's or 80's when drugs where around and did a few .but they grew up and became tax paying citizens.my opinion of the solution to drugs is to have the police give them out for free.then all the tweekers will poison themselves quicker and get it over with.when something is illegal it creates value.like alcohol during prohibition.here in the central valley in california there is lots of tweek around .being illegal is just prolonging the problem.let poeple poison themselves faster so law enforcement can move on to the next problem.

Flying Tiger
01-10-2005, 09:04 PM
http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news87/DTI_1056632.e.jpg
Meth Mouth

Wicky
01-10-2005, 09:14 PM
i am sure alot of members of this site where in high school/college in the 70's or 80's when drugs where around and did a few .but they grew up and became tax paying citizens.my opinion of the solution to drugs is to have the police give them out for free.then all the tweekers will poison themselves quicker and get it over with.when something is illegal it creates value.like alcohol during prohibition.here in the central valley in california there is lots of tweek around .being illegal is just prolonging the problem.let poeple poison themselves faster so law enforcement can move on to the next problem.
I like your style randy77zt!!
I say do the same with all the gang bangers except give em guns and let em go at it in the Colliseum!!

Phat Matt
01-10-2005, 11:03 PM
Ahhhh, the Sofa King sings!!!
The wheels on the bus go round and round.
Quit using my name. :2purples:
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