The new Mercury HP600SCi ......

[Mandelon]

Is it just me or does $63,585 seem like a lot of dough for a built 502?!? :rolleyes:
For more than what most people pay for their entire boat, you do get 600HP, 625 ft lbs of torque, a Lysholm screw type blower from Sweden that runs at 6 lbs of boost....oil cooler, intercooler,and 5200 rpm.
Oh yeah, and it comes in blue... :rolleyes:

[Scream]

How much for the Illmore then. That seems like way too much for just an engine...

[77charger]

IMO way overpriced.But if people have the money to get them well its your money to do so

[Daytona100]

Give me 63 large and Ill give you two built 502's and Ill keep the change and buy me a couple nice 540's man where do they come up with these prices?? :2purples: :2purples:

[Brewzed]

I guess blue paint must be really expensive :rolleyes:

[Jbb]

I will paint anyones engine blue for $199.95.... :D ....Be the first on the block

[phebus]

Are there pics of the new motor posted anywhere?

[Mandelon]

Powerboat Magazine, Page 41, February 2005.

[burtandnancy]

Normally, Merc quotes the price of the package: Motor, drive, gimble, etc, the whole package. IF this is the case, thats a great price. But I did go back and read the story again, and it wasn't clear what was included...

[KACHINA KEN]

I keep trying to tell you guys Mercruiser sucks, no one listens. :cool: There are several independant motor builders who will stand behind there motors at fractions of what the big boys charge. Seriously, F these chumps.

[RiverOtter]

Is it just me or does $63,585 seem like a lot of dough for a built 502?!? :rolleyes:
For more than what most people pay for their entire boat, you do get 600HP, 625 ft lbs of torque, a Lysholm screw type blower from Sweden that runs at 6 lbs of boost....oil cooler, intercooler,and 5200 rpm.
Oh yeah, and it comes in blue... :rolleyes:
I think that $30,000 of the price tag is to cover the 1 yr waranty :rolleyes:

[INSman]

A Whippled 525 putting out close to 720+HP will crush that new motor for far less money, running on no more than 91 octane. There is a certain boat manufacturer that will have a NEW 30+ footer at the L.A. Boat show with (2) of these 600's all rigged up. I am sure it will look and run great, but a ton of $$ !

[ELIMINAT THIS]

WTF 63k :hammerhea with out a drive,shiit even with a drive they must be very very happy with that blue paint. my.02 gmpp zz572 crate motor would be the way to go if you want 600hp. You know if GM advertised 620 hp that its more like 650-675.
12498793 ZZ572/620 Deluxe Crate Engine
The Deluxe version of the ZZ572/620 engine includes the Base ZZ572/620 engine, plus the following items: aluminum water pump, 850 CFM Demon carburetor, flex plate, HEI distributor, aluminum Intake Manifold and red plug wires and looms.
Technical Notes: Horsepower 620 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 650 Ft. Lbs. @ 4500 RPM
Max. Recommended RPM 6000 RPM
Compression Ratio 9.6:1
Partial Engine 12499190
Block 25534368 Tall Deck
Bearing Kit, Main 88962212
Bearing Kit, Camshaft 12499434
Crankshaft 88961554 Forged 4340 Steel
Connecting Rod 88962926 Forged 4340 Steel
Bearing Kit, Connecting Rod 88961556
Piston & Pin 88962925 Forged Aluminum
Piston Ring 12499212 Plasma-moly
Camshaft 88961557 Hydraulic roller
Balancer 88962814 SFI Approved
Cylinder Head 12499255 Aluminum
Gasket, Head 88961561
Rocker Covers, pair 12499200 "572"
Valve, Intake 12366987 2.25" Stainless steel
Valve, Exhaust 88963128 1.88" Stainless steel
Valve, Spring 88963934 Dual
Valve, Retainer 12366990 Chrome moly steel
Key, Valve Retainer 12366992
Shim, Valve Spring 88963937
Rocker Arm 12361323 Roller 1.7:1
Lifters 17120060 Roller
Push Rod, Intake 88961559 High performance one piece
Push Rod, Exhaust 88961558 High performance one piece
Oil Pan 10240721
Windage Tray, Oil 88962187
Gasket, Oil Pan 10106407
Oil Pump 88963707
Spark Plug 5613878 - R45XLS

[CornWater]

Where is Bling or Skater40.. Jesus, give me the loot and I'll go to Brummet or Larry Peto any day of the week.. :cry:

[CornWater]

Shiat I'll go Sterling for that much.. :eek:

[Holland]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/13600HP_1.jpg
Nice Shot of the Motor... Just out of the box!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kahuna]

In the January issue of Hot Boat there is that 630HP engine build up for under $9,000. For that price you could blow up seven of them for the price of one of the Mercs. :crossx:

[Mandelon]

Nice looking piece of hardware. I still think I'd take the 496HO and a brand new custom 21 foot boat to go with it for less $$....I couldn't justify it, but I know it is just a matter of steps and financial where with all..... :cool:

[Kilrtoy]

That cant be right, that is way too expensive

[Holland]

When I took the Pic, I actually heard 49K for the rig with standard xr drive.

[mbrown2]

That cant be right, that is way too expensive
And your 600 will smoke that 600...
Gotta luv the Pixie dust they put on those Blue Motors... :D

[Kachina26]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/13600HP_1.jpg
Nice Shot of the Motor... Just out of the box!!!!!!!!!!!
I know who that belongs to ...................................
;)

[Garrddogg]

I know who that belongs to ...................................
;)
:wink:

[Kilrtoy]

That is too much cash for that motor
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/13600HP_1.jpg

[plaster dave]

For $50,000.00 you can get a real nice twin turbo 634 ci. efi 1000 HP on pump gas. just my .02 :p ;)

[Garrddogg]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/13600HP_1.jpg
Its sure got a lot of blue dont it? ;)

[TOBTEK]

63K CANT be correct....TCM is even cheaper/less expensive then that. If I remember right isnt a 525 PACKAGE with an XR drive mid to high 30K's...this cant be twice as expensive....

[framer1]

I'm putting that engine in my new boat, it wasn't even close to that price as an extra but it was 3,000 more than a Teague 800. You have to admit it looks cool :jawdrop:

[NashvilleBound]

The 600 is SOO ridiculously priced. The Ilmor/Teague or the 525 is only $40k. I think Merc has some real competition on their hands...the way it should be!

[Havasu Hangin']

Gotta luv the Pixie dust they put on those Blue Motors... :D
That blue paint is veeeery expensive. :supp:

[OLDRAT]

Yep, I about fell over when I saw the price too!
I can dig out an old Donovan block and build a 706" all aluminum
beast for that much and have a bunch of spare parts just in case....
They can keep their fuel injected, pink anti-freeze pukin', too complicated
to work on junk. :yuk:
At least the spark plug wires match...sort of!

[HavasuDreamin']

For $63K, it better come with a #6 drive. :hammer2:

[Trigger]

$63k is not the correct price. You will not pay that much for it if you go to buy it. Plus the prices they give are inclusive of the drive. The new XR drive plus blower motor with warranty for a price much less than $63k. Expensive? Yes. But sometimes you get what you pay for.

[NashvilleBound]

Here is the new MV-10 625 going in as twins....the geeen is a custom application.

[Havasu Hangin']

Expensive? Yes. But sometimes you get what you pay for.
Since almost all of that motor uses off-the-shelf parts, I think it would be interesting to give that recipe to GT or Phaff and see what price they quote you with a warranty.
As for the XR...just buy one separately- they are all over the place.
:idea:

[dicudmore]

I know who that belongs to ...................................
;)
:wink:
I was thinking the same thing.....
Big G that's beautiful :D

[framer1]

Here is the new MV-10 625 going in as twins....the geeen is a custom application.
Very nice. What kind of boat are they going in.

[Steamin' Rice]

I believe that RETAIL PRICE on the merc 575 with an XR drive was around $55k.. $60k for the new 600 is a lot of money, but that's the retail price for the motor, drive, accessories, merc warranty, and blue paint... Nobody pays retail, right?? For most boats, resale is going to be better with a "stock" blue motor as compared to a custom motor.

[dirty old man]

how much discount do these after market engine builders give to the OEM's? will they give at least 30/40% off to eliminator, DCB, elite, etc, include warrantee and extensive factory back-up, prop selection, a drive system which mates up, and many, many books on maintence, installation, trouble shooting. If these prices quoted are so out of line, what keeps Brunswick in business. who can build thousands upon thousands of engine/drive packages and support distribution, dealers and so many boat manufactuors.
You can't expect the end-user (you) to get everything at cost do you. there has to be substantial difference between retail and user price or the entire distribution/manufacturer loop collapses. (obviously, no spell check)

[NashvilleBound]

how much discount do these after market engine builders give to the OEM's? will they give at least 30/40% off to eliminator, DCB, elite, etc, include warrantee and extensive factory back-up, prop selection, a drive system which mates up, and many, many books on maintence, installation, trouble shooting. If these prices quoted are so out of line, what keeps Brunswick in business. who can build thousands upon thousands of engine/drive packages and support distribution, dealers and so many boat manufactuors.
You can't expect the end-user (you) to get everything at cost do you. there has to be substantial difference between retail and user price or the entire distribution/manufacturer loop collapses. (obviously, no spell check)
I would never expect to get a motor/drive combo at OEM prices.....the boat manufacturers need to make money somewhere...I mean, they dont make anything on the hull ;)

[Garrddogg]

It sure is pretty! Its gonna look realy good in the back of someones boat!! :D

[NashvilleBound]

It sure is pretty! Its gonna look realy good in the back of someones boat!! :D
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......can not for the life of me think who that might be????? :D

[mbrown2]

Very nice. What kind of boat are they going in.
Looks like a DCB F29 to me, but I could wrong...just looking at the perko wiring setup really looks familiar...
BTW, that Illmor setup looks kickazz

[mbrown2]

It sure is pretty! Its gonna look realy good in the back of someones boat!! :D
Sure is a pretty looking motor...and regardless what it costs it will look awesome in the next boat.

[mbrown2]

Here is the new MV-10 625 going in as twins....the geeen is a custom application.
DCB F29?

[Havasu47]

FYI
Mercury has not establlished a retail cost for the 600 SCI / XR package yet. It will probably be somewhere around $63,000.00, based on dealer cost. This is for a complete package with a low water pickup XR drive. Allthough very expensive, things like CMI headers, supercharger, electronic fuel injection, warranty, etc., certainly add up quick.
It is very easy to make much more power with a lot more CI for the same price.....

[Whipped Caliber]

You can get one like this from Pfaff for about 47K 1000HP + :sqeyes:
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/sema%20motor1.jpg

[Mandelon]

I quoted the price from an article in Powerboat Magazine, Feb 2005. Obviously its a retail price....like MSRP.
But if no one pays that then why predispose us to believe that their products are overpriced? :confused:

[Havasu_Dreamin]

63K CANT be correct....TCM is even cheaper/less expensive then that. If I remember right isnt a 525 PACKAGE with an XR drive mid to high 30K's
I think list ~$43k.

[dirty old man]

Whipped, by the time you add #6 dry sump, gimble assy, headers, mufflers, harness, etc, you'ed be close to Merc's 1050 pkg, prox $155,000 right? How about warrantee, factory support, factory trained dealer service, first rebuild, etc. theres no free lunch

[Havasu Hangin']

Whipped, by the time you add #6 dry sump, gimble assy, headers, mufflers, harness, etc, you'ed be close to Merc's 1050 pkg, prox $155,000 right? How about warrantee, factory support, factory trained dealer service, first rebuild, etc. theres no free lunch
I have that motor (with a #6) at $77K. I guess that means you can have two of those for the price of a Merc 1050.
My last motor I built was one third the cost of the blue paint. Although I could have had three bullets in the gun, I didn't need them.
Sounds like a free lunch to me...

[NORDIC_RIG]

the motor with xr drive costs $ 42,000 still a big penny tho.

[Kilrtoy]

i know where to find that
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9239

[CornWater]

I did'nt know they were closed cooling... nice

[dirty old man]

HH, If you got a merc 1050 w/#6 for 77k, was that new, or was that at EO costs. If so, I didn't think merc gave that much discount, that like a 50% off.

[Havasu Hangin']

HH, If you got a merc 1050 w/#6 for 77k, was that new, or was that at EO costs. If so, I didn't think merc gave that much discount, that like a 50% off.
I was talking about the Phaff $47K + $30K (#6) = $77K.
My bad...I worded it funky.

[Whipped Caliber]

Whipped, by the time you add #6 dry sump, gimble assy, headers, mufflers, harness, etc, you'ed be close to Merc's 1050 pkg, prox $155,000 right? How about warrantee, factory support, factory trained dealer service, first rebuild, etc. theres no free lunch
Pfaff 565 with a whipple 47k
#6 with all above 35k
total 82k
not rebuilding at 50 hours!!!!!
but 250 hours springs and lifters and 500 hours rebuilding (BTW mine now has 50 hours on it)
Having a boat that hauls ass!!
Pfaff over a Merc 1050 pkg, pricless!!!

[dirty old man]

cute

[That Guy]

i know where to find that
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9239
Where? I think I need those....

[Whipped Caliber]

cute
Oh free lunch down town LA skid row!!!! (Dress Down!!!)
Soup on :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[burtandnancy]

Well all the above is very interesting. If Nordic Rig is correct, the 600SCi with drive package listed by Merc for $63K, nets Nordic $42K, this would indicate that Merc give about a 33% discount to their larger boat mfgrs. Wonder what the custom builders get who only build 10 or 12 boats per year as compared to the biggies like Fountain, Formula, Sea Ray and yes, the bay word...