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rivrbrat
01-17-2005, 07:10 PM
Need input! I am getting ready to buy a new boat and need input. Looking for a feed back negative or positive on both these motors. Thanks for any help you can give.
Rivrbrat

OutCole'd
01-17-2005, 07:12 PM
Definately need more details. What type of boat, what are you looking for performance wise, etc.

Mandelon
01-17-2005, 07:14 PM
And how deep are your pockets???? Blue motor = lots of green.... :yuk:

LUVNLIFE
01-17-2005, 07:14 PM
I thought they were just about out of 500 motors. But there could be some still stashed away I guess. :rollside:

LUVNLIFE
01-17-2005, 07:18 PM
no more 500 or 575,575 will be 600 :wink:
If that's what it takes,,,,alrighty :wink:

rivrbrat
01-17-2005, 07:21 PM
[QUOTE=OutCole'd]Definately need more details. What type of boat, what are you looking for performance wise, etc.[/QUOTE
I am buying 24 foot cheeetah deck boat brand new..

SHOTKALLIN
01-17-2005, 07:22 PM
cheaper to buy some blue paint

rivrbrat
01-17-2005, 07:22 PM
And how deep are your pockets???? Blue motor = lots of green.... :yuk:
Not real deep.....

BoatFloating
01-17-2005, 07:23 PM
Yes the HP 500 is gone the way of the dodo bird.... No Mas. I don't think the MFG can get them anymore unless they have one laying around. The 525 is the better choice over the 500. :D

rivrbrat
01-17-2005, 07:23 PM
I thought they were just about out of 500 motors. But there could be some still stashed away I guess. :rollside:
Mecury still has some 500.....

dicudmore
01-17-2005, 07:23 PM
what about a 496HO and then add the "Raylar" kit to it a little later....
Shadow just did that upgrade to his motor and is "stoked" to say the least.
Picked up a TON :wink:

BIGCHRIS
01-17-2005, 07:24 PM
Need input! I am getting ready to buy a new boat and need input. Looking for a feed back negative or positive on both these motors. Thanks for any help you can give.
Rivrbrat
yo,never heard anyone say, i wish i had less motor :

OutCole'd
01-17-2005, 07:25 PM
[QUOTE=OutCole'd]Definately need more details. What type of boat, what are you looking for performance wise, etc.[/QUOTE
I am buying 24 foot cheeetah deck boat brand new..
24' Chetah, how fast are you looking to go? I would think a 496Ho in that boat would haul some azz. Maybe down the road look into that Raylar set up.
What is the difference in cost between the 496HO & a 525?

Mandelon
01-17-2005, 07:28 PM
The 496HO will put you faster than most boats in that size range. Especially if you add that Raylar kit at some point. 425 HP on a deck ought to get you near 70, no? HotDiggetyDog and NoDigg have those boats doesn't they.

dicudmore
01-17-2005, 07:28 PM
24' Chetah, how fast are you looking to go? I would think a 496Ho in that boat would haul some azz. Maybe down the road look into that Raylar set up.
What is the difference in cost between the 496HO & a 525?
about 20K isn't it mr I spent the big $$$ on the magic w/525?? :D

OutCole'd
01-17-2005, 07:29 PM
about 20K isn't it mr I spent the big $$$ on the magic w/525?? :D
Ya, but it was shiny.

rivrbrat
01-17-2005, 07:30 PM
24' Chetah, how fast are you looking to go? I would think a 496Ho in that boat would haul some azz. Maybe down the road look into that Raylar set up.
What is the difference in cost between the 496HO & a 525?
about 9000.00

shadow
01-17-2005, 07:34 PM
24' Chetah, how fast are you looking to go? I would think a 496Ho in that boat would haul some azz. Maybe down the road look into that Raylar set up.
What is the difference in cost between the 496HO & a 525?
I Belive that upgrade from the 496 to 525 is 25k-30k.Crazy! With my recent upgrade i'd throw the warranty out the window and go with the 496 and Raylar it before it was installed.Same horse power and more torque.

dicudmore
01-17-2005, 07:34 PM
about 9000.00
That's a fair price....Bob doesnt try to make a killing on anything...
Have you contacted your insurance company to see the difference in price w/the 2 different motors? could be the answer right there for you

dicudmore
01-17-2005, 07:35 PM
Ya, but it was shiny.
You know I only said it out of jealousy :cool:

OutCole'd
01-17-2005, 07:38 PM
That's a fair price....Bob doesnt try to make a killing on anything...
Have you contacted your insurance company to see the difference in price w/the 2 different motors? could be the answer right there for you
I agree, at 9K. That is not too much and you get the free shiny headers with it.

Raylar
01-17-2005, 10:04 PM
I have never seen anyone sell a HP525 blue motor for only 9K more than a good deal on a 496HO. If anybody does, its either a dealer with inventory and in trouble or some boat salesman is blowing smoke up your tail pipes!
Get it in wrting and make sure they quote delivery also. Just remeber you wont have the torque and power of our new Raylar 496. If you want it shiney, we have all that good stuff to. Try getting a quote on a 496MAG with the XR drive and you can just about pay for our upgrades with the savings over a 496HO with same XR. Get a quote on a HP525 with XR drive and your not so deep pockets will have some serious holes in them!
Ray @ Raylar

Jrocket
01-17-2005, 10:08 PM
about 9000.00
For 9K I'd get 2 of them..My HP500 was a 17K upgrade and now its more like 20K from what they tell me.

Kilrtoy
01-17-2005, 10:29 PM
Two dealers just qouted me the 525 for a 15K upgrade.
AS far as Raylar, has anyone put one in there boat and then pust some hours behind them. Everyone on here is banging out Raylar and I dont know anyone who has one(EXCPET SHADOW, with one day run on it). I would wait and see about this kit before you drop serious cash on it.... Dont get me wrong I hope it works out as promised and I am not bagging on them either....

INSman
01-17-2005, 10:30 PM
Ray is right here along with a few others, although the MAG is not offered as a formal package by Merc with the XR, it can be done. Get either the 496 MAG w/ XR if you can, then default to the 496 HO with XR if MAG/XR combo not available and then add the Raylar BCK103 kit.
If you get the MAG, you tell your insurance company that you have (1) 375 HP motor, No problems and reasonable insurance premiums.

Jrocket
01-17-2005, 10:32 PM
Two dealers just qouted me the 525 for a 15K upgrade.....
You what? You better have something out of the mold by now.

INSman
01-17-2005, 10:33 PM
If some dealer is offering a 525 upgrade for only $15k, what must they want for the 496 HO ?? I would have to say "TOO MUCH" !! the numbers just don't pencil out that way. Maybe, maybe a 500.....
Two dealers just qouted me the 525 for a 15K upgrade.
AS far as Raylar, has anyone put one in there boat and then pust some hours behind them. Everyone on here is banging out Raylar and I dont know anyone who has one(EXCPET SHADOW, with one day run on it). I would wait and see about this kit before you drop serious cash on it.... Dont get me wrong I hope it works out as promised and I am not bagging on them either....

DECKKAT
01-17-2005, 10:38 PM
I agree, at 9K. That is not too much and you get the free shiny headers with it.
What kind of MPH do you get outa that 525? :rollside:

Kilrtoy
01-17-2005, 10:40 PM
Lets look at it this way, Some dealers sell them for 35k and that doesnt pencil in for me. They were selling them to me at their cost.
What boat out of what mold Jrocket, Im still kicking tires with Toby

Jrocket
01-17-2005, 10:42 PM
What boat out of what mold Jrocket, Im still kicking tires with Toby
Yeah right.

INSman
01-17-2005, 10:44 PM
I hear ya' on that one and would assume that they would then have a fair amount of profit already built into the boat no matter what motor/drive package you choose.
Lets look at it this way, Some dealers sell them for 35k and that doesnt pencil in for me. They were selling them to me at their cost.
What boat out of what mold Jrocket, Im still kicking tires with Toby

Kilrtoy
01-17-2005, 10:54 PM
I hear ya' on that one and would assume that they would then have a fair amount of profit already built into the boat no matter what motor/drive package you choose.
this months HB mag
Essex =25K
Howard = 22.5K
last months HB mag
Lavey = 24,5K
Hallet = 18.2K
they all add money to the bottom line, its just how much

OutCole'd
01-18-2005, 05:57 AM
What kind of MPH do you get outa that 525? :rollside:
Best I seen was 84 on gps.

Essex502
01-18-2005, 06:47 AM
Everyone is saying 496 and Raylar...has anyone tried this? Doesn't the 496Mag and 496Mag HO BOTH have cast cranks now? What about the other internals versus the 525?
Yes...it is about a $25K difference between the 496HO and the HP525 at list. Your builder should come in somewhere around $17K uplift if they want your business.

dicudmore
01-18-2005, 06:51 AM
Everyone is saying 496 and Raylar...has anyone tried this? Doesn't the 496Mag and 496Mag HO BOTH have cast cranks now? What about the other internals versus the 525?
Yes...it is about a $25K difference between the 496HO and the HP525 at list. Your builder should come in somewhere around $17K uplift if they want your business.
No long term feed back (obviously) but the parts are in Shadow's Ultra, and it woke his boat up big-time. Went from mid 60's to touching 80 :D

SoCalOffshore
01-18-2005, 07:51 AM
525 all the way. I have 2 of them and Schiada basically charges cost to upgrade. Most manufacturers build in allot of profit on top of what Mercury charges. I actually wrote the check to Mercury myself.

Essex502
01-18-2005, 08:07 AM
No long term feed back (obviously) but the parts are in Shadow's Ultra, and it woke his boat up big-time. Went from mid 60's to touching 80 :D
Which kit was used and was the ECM reprogrammed and headers installed?

Ducatista
01-18-2005, 10:00 AM
Need input! I am getting ready to buy a new boat and need input. Looking for a feed back negative or positive on both these motors. Thanks for any help you can give.
Rivrbrat
If you decide on the HP500, have Bob order it real quick, there are only a handfull left at Merc. That's a good motor for that boat, you can always go after market after the warranty is up like a Whipple. The HP500 is also a damn good lookin motor, as is the 525. If money is not an issue, I would go with the 525 all the way, just my .02.

Havasu_Dreamin
01-18-2005, 10:15 AM
Take the 525 over the 500. The closed cooling is reason enough.

Keith E. Sayre
01-18-2005, 10:25 AM
I like the idea of calling the insurance people before you make your engine
decision. Make sure that you could afford the insurance with each engine etc.
If you decide to do the 496HO with the intention of supercharging it or building it with more power or whatever, pay about an extra $3500 at the
time of your purchase and you'll get the XR drive instead of the regular Bravo that comes with the standard 496HO package. That way you'll be ready to
go whenever you decide to buy more power. If you don't, and you upgrade
you'll tear up the regular Bravo and then it will cost you $9500 to buy an
XR.
As for the engines,the retail cost to go from 496HO to 525 is about $15,000
which includes the upgrade to an XR drive, CMI swept back SS headers,
aluminum heads, crankshaft triggerfire ignition system and a motor that is
custom built and dynoed that runs wide open all day long on 92 octane!
While it may not make the same torque that the Raylar 496HO does, it's built to take it and won't fail. And since it's rated at 500 hp (rated at the prop),
your insurance company won't say too much. Most ins. companies start getting funny at 501hp and up. If I were buying right now, I'd go with a
very reliable warranteed 525! They'll run circles around the HP500's which
were also extremely reliable. Don't forget, the 525 runs on 87 octane too!
Good luck!
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400

redi4fun
01-18-2005, 10:36 AM
I like the idea of calling the insurance people before you make your engine
decision. Make sure that you could afford the insurance with each engine etc.
If you decide to do the 496HO with the intention of supercharging it or building it with more power or whatever, pay about an extra $3500 at the
time of your purchase and you'll get the XR drive instead of the regular Bravo that comes with the standard 496HO package. That way you'll be ready to
go whenever you decide to buy more power. If you don't, and you upgrade
you'll tear up the regular Bravo and then it will cost you $9500 to buy an
XR.
As for the engines,the retail cost to go from 496HO to 525 is about $15,000
which includes the upgrade to an XR drive, CMI swept back SS headers,
aluminum heads, crankshaft triggerfire ignition system and a motor that is
custom built and dynoed that runs wide open all day long on 92 octane!
While it may not make the same torque that the Raylar 496HO does, it's built to take it and won't fail. And since it's rated at 500 hp (rated at the prop),
your insurance company won't say too much. Most ins. companies start getting funny at 501hp and up. If I were buying right now, I'd go with a
very reliable warranteed 525! They'll run circles around the HP500's which
were also extremely reliable. Don't forget, the 525 runs on 87 octane too!
Good luck!
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400
Seems like good advice. Way to break it down Keith.

Dave C
01-18-2005, 10:51 AM
For $9k, get the 525 because thats a good deal!!
The 500 & 525 are different motors with much better internals than the 496HO. So if you want to upgrade in the future, its the way to go
If you want stock power or maybe with the Raylar kit and thats it, get the 496HO. The 496 bore and stroke are a good combo for boats.
yo,never heard anyone say, i wish i had less motor :
thats funny! but yes I have, when somepeople get their insurance premium ;)

Raylar
01-18-2005, 11:05 AM
Check with Shadow or Aaron at Absolute Marine in Havasu for the results. They speak for themselves. Shadows Ultra :cool: used the BCK103 kit, stock exhaust and absolutly no mods or changes to the ECM, how many times do I have to say,"no ECM changes or reprogram period" I beleive we were at about 525 to 550 HP to get those results. Heavy Boat!
Ray @ Raylar

Kilrtoy
01-18-2005, 04:47 PM
As for the engines,the retail cost to go from 496HO to 525 is about $15,000
which includes the upgrade to an XR drive, CMI swept back SS headers,aluminum heads, crankshaft triggerfire ignition system
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400
Like I SAID EARLIER, I was qoute 15K from two different manufactures and there you have it a. Thta is pretty cheap for reliablity

SHOTKALLIN
01-18-2005, 05:00 PM
about 9000.00
For 9K i would do it. How much is the 496 ho upgrade on the 24 fastcat?

INSman
01-18-2005, 10:05 PM
Hey Keith, what would the retail/estimated wholesale numbers be to go from a 496 MAG packaged with an XR to go to the 525 w/XR ?? I know the 496 MAG does not come packaged with the XR, but my builder is pulling it off somehow ??
I like the idea of calling the insurance people before you make your engine
decision. Make sure that you could afford the insurance with each engine etc.
If you decide to do the 496HO with the intention of supercharging it or building it with more power or whatever, pay about an extra $3500 at the
time of your purchase and you'll get the XR drive instead of the regular Bravo that comes with the standard 496HO package. That way you'll be ready to
go whenever you decide to buy more power. If you don't, and you upgrade
you'll tear up the regular Bravo and then it will cost you $9500 to buy an
XR.
As for the engines,the retail cost to go from 496HO to 525 is about $15,000
which includes the upgrade to an XR drive, CMI swept back SS headers,
aluminum heads, crankshaft triggerfire ignition system and a motor that is
custom built and dynoed that runs wide open all day long on 92 octane!
While it may not make the same torque that the Raylar 496HO does, it's built to take it and won't fail. And since it's rated at 500 hp (rated at the prop),
your insurance company won't say too much. Most ins. companies start getting funny at 501hp and up. If I were buying right now, I'd go with a
very reliable warranteed 525! They'll run circles around the HP500's which
were also extremely reliable. Don't forget, the 525 runs on 87 octane too!
Good luck!
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400

BADASS38CHEVY
01-18-2005, 10:25 PM
This might be a way to go. the 500efi and spend 1500.00 for the arizona and speeds 500efi upgrade kit with labor included, will add 50hp to it.total would be 520hp.the 525 is 6500.00 more than the 500efi so you have almost the same hp for 5000.00 less.

INSman
01-19-2005, 07:55 AM
NO closed loop cooling the the 500 though :idea:
This might be a way to go. the 500efi and spend 1500.00 for the arizona and speeds 500efi upgrade kit with labor included, will add 50hp to it.total would be 520hp.the 525 is 6500.00 more than the 500efi so you have almost the same hp for 5000.00 less.

BADASS38CHEVY
01-20-2005, 01:25 PM
NO closed loop cooling the the 500 though :idea:
5000.00 savings .just have to flush a little more.