Put-up or get put out of the Channel

[rivrbrat]

Here is my Email to the City Council.
To Whom it May Concern:
I am writing to you as a homeowner in Lake Havasu City. Soon to be full time and voting member of the community. I believe the problems in the channel can be immediately rectified by rescinding a previous and deadly discussion to close the Sandbar during holiday weekends. Since that decision people have died in the channel because of the immediate increase of carbon monoxide levels in the channel. This was brought on by the decision to close the SandBar and the immediate transition of all the boats that would have been at the Sandbar, that migrated to the Channel.
Rescinding this previous deadly decision to close the Sandbar would allow the city to shift the majority of enforcement focus and control of all of the boating community to the numerous other agencies that patrol the Lake Havasu Area Water Ways, also allowing the Lake Havasu City Police to focus their efforts on the Channel and Zero Tolerance in the Channel and the surrounding areas.
If this city is to become the great place it should be, those individuals that our entrusted to lead us must be able to admit their mistakes,'' Closing the SandBar'' ''Immediate increased Levels of Carbon Monoxide in the Bridge Water Channel'' learn from them and be big enough to reverse them.
Lastly as our city representives are you aware that your decision to close the SandBar as caused deaths from Carbon Monoxide, or will you chose to just stick your heads in the sand as most other politicians do, or place the blame on someone else?

[bohica]

Should of used spell check :hammerhea
I got what you were try to imply, but it rescinding. :messedup:

[Kachina26]

Actually, spellcheck wouldn't have helped as "resending" is a word. Just not the word he wanted. All kidding aside, writing calm, thought out letters on the subject is important.
Next time have somebody proof it for you ;)

[Boatcop]

The City of Lake Havasu had nothing to do with closing the Sandbar. It is not in their jurisdiction. They don't patrol it. The closure was not their decision.
Mohave County, The US Fish and Wildlife Service, and other concerns made the decision to close the Sand Bar, due to the inability to control unruly crowds, the incidents of violence, and the threat to the environment from massive amounts of human waste and trash generated by Holiday Weekend crowds.
The Lake Havasu City Council may be able to request that Mohave County, et al, lift the Holiday Weekend closure, but other than making that request, they have no say in the matter.

[Nord]

:d

[ROZ]

The City of Lake Havasu had nothing to do with closing the Sandbar. It is not in their jurisdiction. They don't patrol it. The closure was not their decision.
Mohave County, The US Fish and Wildlife Service, and other concerns made the decision to close the Sand Bar, due to the inability to control unruly crowds, the incidents of violence, and the threat to the environment from massive amounts of human waste and trash generated by Holiday Weekend crowds.
The Lake Havasu City Council may be able to request that Mohave County, et al, lift the Holiday Weekend closure, but other than making that request, they have no say in the matter.
That's exactly what my response woul dhave been, had I responded, of course :D

[rivrbrat]

Thank you, but I didn't put this out there to have my spelling or grammar critiqued.
So Put up or Shut up. They need to hear all of our opinions!

[Kachina26]

It wasn't meant as a personal "slam", just when writing letters, like it or not, you are judged by your spelling or grammer. I will be putting up rather than shutting up :coffeycup

[rivrbrat]

Thanks, that's what I want to hear. :)

[KLEPTOW]

The City of Lake Havasu had nothing to do with closing the Sandbar. It is not in their jurisdiction. They don't patrol it. The closure was not their decision.
Mohave County, The US Fish and Wildlife Service, and other concerns made the decision to close the Sand Bar, due to the inability to control unruly crowds, the incidents of violence, and the threat to the environment from massive amounts of human waste and trash generated by Holiday Weekend crowds.
The Lake Havasu City Council may be able to request that Mohave County, et al, lift the Holiday Weekend closure, but other than making that request, they have no say in the matter.
So we are to believe that the LHC council had nothing to do with the sandBar Closing?

[mickeyfinn]

Thank you, but I didn't put this out there to have my spelling or grammar critiqued.
So Put up or Shut up. They need to hear all of our opinions!
Whether you put it out to be critiqued or not doesn't matter. I have worked for local government for many years and can tell you that spelling and grammar do make a difference. If you write a letter that has spelling and grammar mistakes that could have been avoided by any third grader with a dictionary, I promise that your opinion will be given about the same amount of consideration that a third grader would receive. The words in your letter sounded well thought out. Now that you have been armed with the information from boatcop, you can rewrite the letter to ask them to make the request from Mohave and use spellcheck and maybe you will get the consideration that you feel you deserve. Notice I didn't identify any specifics, not trying to critique your spelling. Just advising you to critique your own before you send it to someone whom you expect to give it official consideration.

[Boatcop]

So we are to believe that the LHC council had nothing to do with the sandBar Closing?
That is correct. The Sand Bar is some 15 miles out of the city limits. When Sheriff Sheehan proposed, and the Mohave County Board of Supervisors approved the closure, you can bet he wasn't taking any marchng orders or other input from The City of Lake Havasu.
They had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[KLEPTOW]

That is correct. The Sand Bar is some 15 miles out of the city limits. When Sheriff Sheehan proposed, and the Mohave County Board of Supervisors approved the closure, you can bet he wasn't taking any marchng orders or other input from The City of Lake Havasu.
They had absolutely nothing to do with it.
So how does this work Mohave County gave the order, and San Bernardino puts the bouys out umm.... sounds fishy to me.

[Big Warlock]

I need to get my popcorn and drink.........
I think Kachina had something to do with the closure of the sandbar........
Any takers???? :cool:

[Boatcop]

Copper Canyon and the Sand Bar are two different things. San Bernardino orders the closure and placed the bouys at Copper Canyon to mark the channel in..
Even though the Sand Bar is more to the Arizona side of the River channel, San Bernardino and Mohave Counties share jurisdiction, along with Arizona Game and Fish, California Fish and Game, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, Coast Guard and BLM. The crowds in the area affect the entire River, shore to shore. San Bernardino has the ability to set and remove the bouys with ease, so they do it for the common good.

[Mandelon]

Copper Canyon and the Sand Bar are two different things. San Bernardino orders the closure and placed the bouys at Copper Canyon to mark the channel in..
Even though the Sand Bar is more to the Arizona side of the River channel, San Bernardino and Mohave Counties share jurisdiction, along with Arizona Game and Fish, California Fish and Game, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, Coast Guard and BLM. The crowds in the area affect the entire River, shore to shore. San Bernardino has the ability to set and remove the bouys with ease, so they do it for the common good.
Could they close the channel as well, should they decide to?

[Not So Fast]

Thank you, but I didn't put this out there to have my spelling or grammar critiqued.
So Put up or Shut up. They need to hear all of our opinions!
RB; the council actually had one member who brought up this specific question during the meeting tuesday nite. The city had nothing to do with the closing of either the Sandbar or Copper Canyon. the feeling I had was that they would like them both to be opened up, and they should with a NO LIABILITY SIGN _ ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK but that wont happen.The only areas they control are the channel and Thompsons Bay and that was even in question as to how far they do have jurisdiction(sp). It's a pretty bad situation right now and it is up in the air as to what will happen and it doesn't look good. What a shame :cry: I still believe that REAL enforcement of existing laws and STIFFER FINES would rectify a lot of the behavoir, and the best quick fix would be make the channel one way on weekends, not that I like the idea but it's the lesser of the evils and can be switched back to normal when the crowds are smaller with little manpower!!! Time will tell, and everybody should be emailing the city council right now because it sounded to me like the go ahead was given to take away about 1200 to 1500 feet of mooring (The LHPD had a chart showing about 3 or 4 sections of 400 ft each) in the channel although I think they should have to vote on it and they didn't. I'm tring to go to all of the meetings but good GOD is it boring. And who cares about your spelling at least you gave them an earful. lets hope it's not too late NSF

[phebus]

It's Havasu, if he used spell check, they wouldn't understand it.
I think it's called Havabonics. :D

[phebus]

NSF, thank you very much for your reporting of the actions of the city. Awareness is key to being proactive to the possible actions of the city council.
I owe you a drink, and would love to meet you, and share one with you.
Rick

[TCHB]

Lets see here
Drugs in the city
Wages as low as dirt
School system continues to struggle
Crime in the city
Sewer system costs out of control
Channel boat parking
Sandbar
This is typical Goverment wasting time, our money, and brain power.

[Boatcop]

Could they close the channel as well, should they decide to?
In some circumstances they (Lake Havasu City) already do. When the CO level rises above the unhealthy level they can and do close the channel.
While the County has the jurisdiction to do so, as they are responsible for Public Health in the entire County, (including inside the City Limits) they advise the City and let them make the decision, since the Channel area is completely within the City limits.
As far as Public Safety and adherence to existing laws, as opposed to just Public Health, that responsibility would fall completely to the City. Although other Agencies such as Mohave County, Arizona Game and Fish, and the Coast Guard, can and do enforce laws within the channel, they also would leave any closure or restriction decisions to the City authorities.

[TCHB]

This is what City of Havasu should be trying to solve!!!!!!
Out of 50 states, the District of Columbia, AND Puerto Rico, LHC has the worst school system of all (Lake Havasu News).

[Not So Fast]

Lets see here
Drugs in the city
Wages as low as dirt
School system continues to struggle
Crime in the city
Sewer system costs out of control
Channel boat parking
Sandbar
This is typical Goverment wasting time, our money, and brain power.
NO, wait a minute, we just had an article this morning that the CITY HAS A 41 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET SURPLUS, hows that frost your huevos and I'll take that drink Rick, believe me I needed it after sitting thru 3 hours of city mumbo jumbo Tues nite. CSI is on so I'm out for now. NSF

[Boatcop]

This is what City of Havasu should be trying to solve!!!!!!
Out of 50 states, the District of Columbia, AND Puerto Rico, LHC has the worst school system of all (Lake Havasu News).
Again you're picking on the wrong body. The City Council has absolutely nothing to do with the Schools.
The schools are part of the School District and are governed and funded by a separately elected School Board. The City of Lake Havasu Government has no say or involvement in funding or how the schools are run.

[TCHB]

The city leaders can make a change in school direction with the time and effort. I know they are busy in the channel!

[HOOTER SLED-]

It wasn't meant as a personal "slam", just when writing letters, like it or not, you are judged by your spelling or grammer. I will be putting up rather than shutting up :coffeycup
How do you spell grammar again????? :D ;) ;)

[Kachina26]

How do you spell grammar again????? :D ;) ;)
You know, if you do a seach, I did that before :rolleyes: My face was just a red then as it is now. :redface:

[Mrs CP 19]

As usual, leave it to Boatcop to answer the questions. This man knows his stuff, as usual! Well thought out Rivrbrat. Everyone complains, but you are stepping up. Good job

[rivrbrat]

Thanks Mrs CP 19 :)

[Not So Fast]

As usual, leave it to Boatcop to answer the questions. This man knows his stuff, as usual! Well thought out Rivrbrat. Everyone complains, but you are stepping up. Good job
Mrs; he's not always right but has a lot of good in-put. BoatCop knows what I mean. ;) NSF

[Wet Dream]

Should of used spell check :hammerhea
I got what you were try to imply, but it rescinding. :messedup:
And you should have checked your use of words as well.
Should of??? Perhaps "should've" or "should have".

[KACHINA KEN]

It's closed because a couple of over testosteroned vatos thought it would be a good idea to stab someone to death, I am willing to bet the farm they weren't boat owners.

[Kachina26]

It's closed because a couple of over testosteroned vatos thought it would be a good idea to stab someone to death, I am willing to bet the farm they weren't boat owners.
WTF???? Please elaborate.............

[wantacat]

WTF???? Please elaborate.............
I heard about this to. It happened a couple years ago. Some guy stabbed some guy to death at the sandbar. It was so crowded, LEO's could not get in and nobody was moving out of the way. It took so long to get to the victim he died. Thats all I know, someone correct me or add more info...

[KACHINA KEN]

That is correct. The Sand Bar is some 15 miles out of the city limits. When Sheriff Sheehan proposed, and the Mohave County Board of Supervisors approved the closure, you can bet he wasn't taking any marchng orders or other input from The City of Lake Havasu.
They had absolutely nothing to do with it.
So, if you want anything done you must appeal to these folk ci?
http://www.co.mohave.az.us/MCSO/Default.htm

[KACHINA KEN]

And has anyone ever thought of the notion that they may want the sandbar to stay shutdown to keep lots of commerce in the channel area? It's not really that far of a stretch is it.

[dc96819]

Whether you put it out to be critiqued or not doesn't matter. I have worked for local government for many years and can tell you that spelling and grammar do make a difference. If you write a letter that has spelling and grammar mistakes that could have been avoided by any third grader with a dictionary, I promise that your opinion will be given about the same amount of consideration that a third grader would receive. The words in your letter sounded well thought out. Now that you have been armed with the information from boatcop, you can rewrite the letter to ask them to make the request from Mohave and use spellcheck and maybe you will get the consideration that you feel you deserve. Notice I didn't identify any specifics, not trying to critique your spelling. Just advising you to critique your own before you send it to someone whom you expect to give it official consideration.
Government should spend more time on serious issues :D

[6 Dollar Boat]

Thank you, but I didn't put this out there to have my spelling or grammar critiqued.
So Put up or Shut up. They need to hear all of our opinions!
The spelling and grammar are important, as soon as I see you used "our" instead of "are" I get distracted from the point you are trying to make...I'm just trying to help you, and appreciate your effort.

[mickeyfinn]

Government should spend more time on serious issues :D
Whether it is right or not decision making in government just like in business is done by those with power. Power is associated with education and bad spelling and grammar don't indicate either. :2purples:

[Kachina26]

The spelling and grammar is important,
Yes, they is! ;)

[INSman]

It wasn't meant as a personal "slam", just when writing letters, like it or not, you are judged by your spelling or grammer. I will be putting up rather than shutting up :coffeycup
Randy, I think you meant to type "Grammar" !!?? ;)

[INSman]

Yes, they is! ;)
Wrong again, "Yes they be" would be mostest correct !! :hammerhea

[Rod-64]

WTF???? Please elaborate.............
It seems to me that when MTV did their show out here some years ago, a lot of people feel that was the turning point for the problems in Havasu.
I could be wrong............maybe it was a matter of time when you get so many people together in any setting there's always going to be the few who go nuts and screw it up for everyone.

[Wicky]

In some circumstances they (Lake Havasu City) already do. When the CO level rises above the unhealthy level they can and do close the channel.
While the County has the jurisdiction to do so, as they are responsible for Public Health in the entire County, (including inside the City Limits) they advise the City and let them make the decision, since the Channel area is completely within the City limits.
As far as Public Safety and adherence to existing laws, as opposed to just Public Health, that responsibility would fall completely to the City. Although other Agencies such as Mohave County, Arizona Game and Fish, and the Coast Guard, can and do enforce laws within the channel, they also would leave any closure or restriction decisions to the City authorities.
Whenever there is a big rain storm in SoCal and the sewage is draining into the ocean the signs go up to say Water is unsafe for swimming enter at own risk. I think this is ample warning to all. If you still want to surf, have at it.
The disclaimer has been posted. Why can't they do this in the channel regarding the CO2 levels. Oh yeah, I forgot suicide is illegal too.

[Jrocket]

Whenever there is a big rain storm in SoCal and the sewage is draining into the ocean the signs go up to say Water is unsafe for swimming enter at own risk. I think this is ample warning to all. If you still want to surf, have at it.
The disclaimer has been posted. Why can't they do this in the channel regarding the CO2 levels. Oh yeah, I forgot suicide is illegal too.
I would assume that its because the toxins going into the ocean will make you very sick at the most and might be somewhat able to see in the water,trash,debris and such.The CO2 levels aren't visible to the eye or nose and can be deadly very quickly.
Plus we all know there would be that one guy that cant speak or read English and walk right past the sign not getting the clue that the channel is vacant but still swim...just my thoughts though.

[Wicky]

I would assume that its because the toxins going into the ocean will make you very sick at the most and might be somewhat able to see in the water,trash,debris and such.The CO2 levels aren't visible to the eye or nose and can be deadly very quickly.
Plus we all know there would be that one guy that cant speak or read English and walk right past the sign not getting the clue that the channel is vacant but still swim...just my thoughts though.
Hepatitis makes you more than sick.
Yes, but from what was conveyed from an earlier post there is more CO2 in the middle of the 10 freeway during rush hour than there has ever been in the channel. I guess a canary in the coal mine is the best biometer for the channel.

[shueman]

It seems to me that when MTV did their show out here some years ago, a lot of people feel that was the turning point for the problems in Havasu.
I could be wrong............maybe it was a matter of time when you get so many people together in any setting there's always going to be the few who go nuts and screw it up for everyone.
I think your right....plus the Travel Channel....

[Jrocket]

Hepatitis makes you more than sick.
Yes, but from what was conveyed from an earlier post there is more CO2 in the middle of the 10 freeway during rush hour than there has ever been in the channel. I guess a canary in the coal mine is the best biometer for the channel.
True Hepatitis is very bad.I never read the part about the 10 freeway deal but then again I dont see any fun standing in the middle of the freeway either.I see your point though.
I dont spend much time in the channel,more on Parker than anywhere else and that time is usually floatinf or at Foxesbut...I would rather they come up with a solution to where people can still enjoy the channel than shut it down all together.Instead of a canary,how about we use pigeons,they aint worth a shit anyway.

[Wicky]

Next thing, stadium supercross will be illegal because one or two people died from C02 poisoning.

[Jrocket]

Next thing, stadium supercross will be illegal because one or two people died from C02 poisoning.
It would only take one death to do it,but they have very large ventilation systems and they only have races in stadiums that can aquire such a race.Its the high price ticket sales that will kill off the attendance first!!! :D

[KACHINA KEN]

Hepatitis makes you more than sick.
Isn't more than sick, dead? Sorry, couldnt help my.... oh nevermind.

[burtandnancy]

rivrbrat, You are on the right track with your letter, hope it helps. Don't worry about the spelling and grammar, just use a proofreader.