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NOTALENT
06-09-2005, 06:22 AM
Now in an effort to help you bring greater clarity and
understanding to the border crisis we attempt to dispel some of
the half-truths and outright lies that are being told the American
people regarding illegal immigration.
++Myth #1--Illegal aliens pay taxes that benefit our economy
Not true. Most illegals are paid in cash and therefore pay no taxes.
Even in instances where they do pay taxes (only possible if they
use a fraudulent social security number or tax ID) they don't pay
enough to cover their expenses.
A visit to any L.A. County maternity ward will give you ample
proof of this. There thousands of women each year have babies
free of charge (and many return to have more).
Additionally, the vast majority learn who to use the system to
acquire food stamps and financial assistance.
++ Myth #2--Illegals come to the U.S. for jobs to support their
families back in their homeland.
This is partly true. However record numbers of those illegally
crossing the borders are women and children! What' s more, there
are also record numbers of dead-beat dads who simply abandon
their families.
++ Myth #3--Illegals don't affect politics because they can't vote
Not true. The fact that they are counted in the census gives them
political power. Since representatives in Congress are fixed, it
creates a situation in state's that have a heavy influence of illegals.
Those "illegals" will likely be represented. As such, it takes away
representation from people in other states--people who are here
legally.
++ Myth #4--Illegals do the work that Americans won't do
Not true. Americans will do the work provided they are paid a
reasonable wage. But profit-greedy employers and corporations
are increasingly favoring cheap labor. Their profits soar, but at the
expense of American taxpayers who have to subsidize the labor
costs by supplying the illegal workforce (and their families) with
welfare, education, medical, housing assistance. Employers of
these people simply turn a deaf ear.
++ Myth #5--Illegal Immigration doesn't really affect me
Not true. As we have reported in the past, in non-border states like
Connecticut, North Carolina, Georgia and New Jersey, illegal
immigration is rampant. That means in each of these states,
benefits allocated to citizens are being taxed and stressed by
illegal infiltration. If the problem becomes severe enough (as in
California and Arizona) those services dry up. In both L.A., and
Tucson, AZ hospitals have been forced to close due to the
incredible strain of illegals.
+ + Your nation. Your borders. Your voice!
Because you share Grassfire's concern for border security, we
urge you to do two very important things:
First, take a moment to add your name to our "Secure Our
Borders" petition by clicking below. As you can see, we are
not against immigration, or even increasing the flow of legal
immigration. Our concern is the increasing flow of illegals,
and the threat to our security.
Click here to add your name to our petition:
http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?RID=3960059
After signing, we urge you to forward this message to 25-30
of your friends and family. This is not just a border state
issue. Rather, it is a national epidemic that needs immediate
addressing.
Grassfire is currently mobilizing tens of thousands of citizens who
want Congress to aggressively respond to this obvious security
threat. Over the next two weeks, we are urging those who have
already signed our "Secure the Borders" petition to help us rally
an additional 40,000 signers.
Once we reach the 200,000 threshold, Grassfire will take your
petitions directly to Congress and demand the voice of the people
be heard.
Thanks for taking immediate action with us.
Grassfire.org Alliance
P.S: Grassfire is continuing to build awareness and support for
secured borders. Please forward this message to your friends and
family, urging them to add their name to our "Secure Our
Borders" petition:
http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?RID=3960059

riverroyal
06-09-2005, 07:57 AM
i mow my lawn,all I have to say before coffee

JB in so cal
06-09-2005, 08:02 AM
i mow my lawn,all I have to say before coffee
I got wifey to mow mine yesterday :D :D

NOTALENT
06-09-2005, 08:04 AM
I got wifey to mow mine yesterday :D :D
haha..now thats a strong pimp hand!!! :D

JB in so cal
06-09-2005, 08:05 AM
i mow my lawn,all I have to say before coffee
BTW. How did you get so close to me with posts? Don't you have anything better to do? :idea:

riverroyal
06-09-2005, 08:12 AM
took kids to school,,blah blah.Nice job having the wife do the lawn,thats great.Im watching Greenspan now,god he talks slow

dirty old man
06-09-2005, 08:33 AM
yes, there are some truths here, but I am not so nieve to think that all jobs will be done by our citizens if the pay was in the right catagory. If the pay was in the $15.00/hour average range, who could afford fruit and veggies? How much hard labor/maintenance would be done? how many spoiled US citizens want to take just any job if the pay is right, not my kids or grandkids. Our standard of living in the US has changed dramatically in the last 50 years or so. We don't mow our lawns, wash our cars, clean our pools or even take care of our own kids anymore. saying that, I'm also not for ILLEGAL immigration

riverroyal
06-09-2005, 08:45 AM
i do my yard work and Im going to buy a pool route,Im also as white as you can be

VEGASBABY
06-09-2005, 10:30 AM
Now in an effort to help you bring greater clarity and
understanding to the border crisis we attempt to dispel some of
the half-truths and outright lies that are being told the American
people regarding illegal immigration.
++Myth #1--Illegal aliens pay taxes that benefit our economy
Not true. Most illegals are paid in cash and therefore pay no taxes.
Even in instances where they do pay taxes (only possible if they
use a fraudulent social security number or tax ID) they don't pay
enough to cover their expenses.
A visit to any L.A. County maternity ward will give you ample
proof of this. There thousands of women each year have babies
free of charge (and many return to have more).
Additionally, the vast majority learn who to use the system to
acquire food stamps and financial assistance.
++ Myth #2--Illegals come to the U.S. for jobs to support their
families back in their homeland.
This is partly true. However record numbers of those illegally
crossing the borders are women and children! What' s more, there
are also record numbers of dead-beat dads who simply abandon
their families.
++ Myth #3--Illegals don't affect politics because they can't vote
Not true. The fact that they are counted in the census gives them
political power. Since representatives in Congress are fixed, it
creates a situation in state's that have a heavy influence of illegals.
Those "illegals" will likely be represented. As such, it takes away
representation from people in other states--people who are here
legally.
++ Myth #4--Illegals do the work that Americans won't do
Not true. Americans will do the work provided they are paid a
reasonable wage. But profit-greedy employers and corporations
are increasingly favoring cheap labor. Their profits soar, but at the
expense of American taxpayers who have to subsidize the labor
costs by supplying the illegal workforce (and their families) with
welfare, education, medical, housing assistance. Employers of
these people simply turn a deaf ear.
++ Myth #5--Illegal Immigration doesn't really affect me
Not true. As we have reported in the past, in non-border states like
Connecticut, North Carolina, Georgia and New Jersey, illegal
immigration is rampant. That means in each of these states,
benefits allocated to citizens are being taxed and stressed by
illegal infiltration. If the problem becomes severe enough (as in
California and Arizona) those services dry up. In both L.A., and
Tucson, AZ hospitals have been forced to close due to the
incredible strain of illegals.
+ + Your nation. Your borders. Your voice!
Because you share Grassfire's concern for border security, we
urge you to do two very important things:
First, take a moment to add your name to our "Secure Our
Borders" petition by clicking below. As you can see, we are
not against immigration, or even increasing the flow of legal
immigration. Our concern is the increasing flow of illegals,
and the threat to our security.
Click here to add your name to our petition:
http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?RID=3960059
After signing, we urge you to forward this message to 25-30
of your friends and family. This is not just a border state
issue. Rather, it is a national epidemic that needs immediate
addressing.
Grassfire is currently mobilizing tens of thousands of citizens who
want Congress to aggressively respond to this obvious security
threat. Over the next two weeks, we are urging those who have
already signed our "Secure the Borders" petition to help us rally
an additional 40,000 signers.
Once we reach the 200,000 threshold, Grassfire will take your
petitions directly to Congress and demand the voice of the people
be heard.
Thanks for taking immediate action with us.
Grassfire.org Alliance
P.S: Grassfire is continuing to build awareness and support for
secured borders. Please forward this message to your friends and
family, urging them to add their name to our "Secure Our
Borders" petition:
http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?RID=3960059 And jore point is Mang?

NOTALENT
06-09-2005, 10:33 AM
And jore point is Mang?
sign the petition!! :D

GMFL
06-09-2005, 09:27 PM
++ Myth #2--Illegals come to the U.S. for jobs to support their
families back in their homeland.
This is partly true. However record numbers of those illegally
crossing the borders are women and children! What' s more, there
are also record numbers of dead-beat dads who simply abandon
their families.
Unfortunately, this is almost all true.
It is estimated that $12 Billion per year is sent back to Mexico from the U.S. to familys there from workers here. Again, most of that money is not taxed at all or only partially (because of the 25 dependants each worker is claiming that they support here with their fake SSN's)
On a side note. I am a Contractor, an industry often accused of contributing to the problem of illegal immigration. All of my employees are legal and are required to provide flawless documentation. Although, it would be easier and cheaper for me to pick up workers from the local Home Depot, and pay cash under the table. It is not much harder to hire legal workers and pay them a decent wage. However, we do it, and we also make money for the company without too much competition from contractors who hire illegals. We just work on service and quality and not price.
Most companies worth anything could do the same.