SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO Laying Down the Law

[Havasu bound]

FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination. He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs. He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back." He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.
More on the Arizona Sheriff:
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 = years. "It's inhumane."
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"
Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.
Sheriff Joe was just reelected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.
Way to go Sheriff Joe.

[SummitKarl]

sheriff Joe a egotistic/selfserving maniac that needs to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
he seems to not know the difference between
Humilitation and Rehabilation, he has the highest repeat offender rate in the nation, proving his bullsh^t don't work.
I am not saying criminals should have it easy or be pampered in anyway, but they should be rehabilitated and taught a skill so they can have the chance to "rise above" when their time has been served and all Sheriff Joe does is use these people to get his face on camera. http://www.lasvegas***boats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asshole2.gif

[LHC30Victory]

where do you get the repeat offender rates? That would be interesting.

[Keithb87]

I have experienced Sheriff Joe's "Hotel" first hand... about 1995 to 1999 off and on. My "return" rate was about every 3 to 6 months. I would be there for 5 to 45 days at a time.
As I have posted before... I'am not that person any more and am working on 6 years Clean and sober from All Street Drugs. But "Joe's Hotel" had nothing to do with the soberity(sp).. It was the stay in the State Facility that cleaned me up.
Joe had some good ideas at the start but he lacked in the follow through of the plan. They offer all these rehab programs, but are only avail to those that have been there or will be there for more than 12 months.
The food sucks and the comditions are poor at best. If it rains and you have a top bunk... you are soaked... When it's HOT. It's HOT.
Glad to be out and away from all that but Joe could do some more for those with that ugly Monkey on thier back.
my .02
Peace

[SummitKarl]

where do you get the repeat offender rates? That would be interesting.
it was on a ABC news report about 6-8 months ago. ie.. reporter goes under cover thing.

[SummitKarl]

I have experienced Sheriff Joe's "Hotel" first hand... about 1995 to 1999 off and on. My "return" rate was about every 3 to 6 months. I would be there for 5 to 45 days at a time.
As I have posted before... I'am not that person any more and am working on 6 years Clean and sober from All Street Drugs. But "Joe's Hotel" had nothing to do with the soberity(sp).. It was the stay in the State Facility that cleaned me up.
Joe had some good ideas at the start but he lacked in the follow through of the plan. They offer all these rehab programs, but are only avail to those that have been there or will be there for more than 12 months.
The food sucks and the comditions are poor at best. If it rains and you have a top bunk... you are soaked... When it's HOT. It's HOT.
Glad to be out and away from all that but Joe could do some more for those with that ugly Monkey on thier back.
my .02
Peace
congrats!!!!!!!! big time to you, GOOD JOB!!!, stay good, stay clean and work hard, the rewards are far greater than any Buzz!!!
I am very stoked to hear about someone that pulls it togeater and gets going on the right track, keep going and don't look back.

[Keithb87]

congrats!!!!!!!! big time to you, GOOD JOB!!!, stay good, stay clean and work hard, the rewards are far greater than any Buzz!!!
I am very stoked to hear about someone that pulls it togeater and gets going on the right track, keep going and don't look back.
See my sig line

[waterwitch]

sheriff Joe a egotistic/selfserving maniac that needs to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
he seems to not know the difference between
Humilitation and Rehabilation, he has the highest repeat offender rate in the nation, proving his bullsh^t don't work.
I am not saying criminals should have it easy or be pampered in anyway, but they should be rehabilitated and taught a skill so they can have the chance to "rise above" when their time has been served and all Sheriff Joe does is use these people to get his face on camera. http://www.lasvegas***boats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asshole2.gif
Interesting point of view. Do you know someone in
his jail or something?
I am a fan of his work and will continue to support him.
Although 120 in a tent sucks, but he has a good point about
our soldiers.

[LHC30Victory]

Keithb87, thanks for the perspective and congratulations on 6yrs!
Programs do help folks get off the stuff and perhaps his plan could incorporate them in a little earlier than a 12 mo stay....
I think people in general get fed up when hard core, violent prisoners receive a hotel type stay. He has done a lot to combat that part, yes, perhaps going too far in some instances.
I have to agree with WW on the soldier comment, there is a lot to that statement.

[Keithb87]

I agree completly that the Soldiers in our Armed Forces have it a lot worse than any inmate in Arizona.
But the "Hardened Criminals" the ones that do the real bad things are not in County Jail, they are in a State or Federal facility where they do recieve the Resort treatment.
My crimes were all Drug related. so I was on a minimum security yard for my 12 month vacation. We all slept in Tents(with swamp coolers) and we all had access to basic cable or our T.V's The food and conditions were much better.
Any way. Joe's actions were probally started with good intentions but he did not follow through once his base was established.

[cave]

I think that Uncle Joe Has is just right. Why should criminals get to work out and become stronger while in county jail. Jail is supposed to be a place that sucks and deters you from wanting to come back. He's doing just fine. Here in the Metro area you either love him or hate him. If you have experience his tents or jails first hand you probably hate him. If you have been a victim of a crime you pray he lives as our sheriff forever.
Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.

[SummitKarl]

Interesting point of view. Do you know someone in
his jail or something?
I am a fan of his work and will continue to support him.
Although 120 in a tent sucks, but he has a good point about
our soldiers.
no I do not know anyone there, nor have I ever been arrested,
what I do know in my 40 (something) yrs is that Humilitation breeds resentment, it does not motovate anyone. "see Keith's post above"
sherrif joe is off the deep end "why on earth would he need a fully functional TANK".... EGO is the only answer, if he needs the big guns thats what the national guard is for. I agree with some of his tactics (possy sweeps) and so on it gets them off the streets but only for a little while, and the way he deals with his inmates is criminal in itself (in my eyes), isn't the idea of jail time to rehabilitate one into the community?
if you notice like I do Sherrif Joe takes/makes every opertunity to stroke his EGO, if he paid as much attention to rehabilatating his inmates as he does his ego, he might actually reduce the amount repeat offenders.
The bottom line for me is I PERSONALLY just don't like the way he comes accross.

[SummitKarl]

I think that Uncle Joe Has is just right. Why should criminals get to work out and become stronger while in county jail. Jail is supposed to be a place that sucks and deters you from wanting to come back. He's doing just fine. Here in the Metro area you either love him or hate him. If you have experience his tents or jails first hand you probably hate him. If you have been a victim of a crime you pray he lives as our sheriff forever.
Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.
BINGO!!!! you hit the nail on the head "If you have experience his tents or jails first hand you probably hate him"
call me crazy but don't you think his "former inmates" would/should have come out the other end with a little respect instead of resentment for him, I know I certiantly would respect someone that helped me when the chips were down.
I thinks he does a good job getting criminals to jail but a really poor job keeping them from having to come back.

[AirtimeLavey]

Rehab is important...but the first order of jail is punishment. While some of what has been described does sound somewhat humiliating, I don't think it's over the top, and I think that it can serve as a good motivator not to want to come back. I suspect the victims of their crimes were more than humliated! He's on the right track. These convicts are not "victims", they create victims. I'm disgusted by the attitude that inmates are vicitms, or deserve more than what he's providing. In many prisons, the inmates get bigger and badder w/weights, etc. and get an education on bigger and badder crime - wtf??? Comparatively speaking to what else is out there, his is a model that should be followed.
Congratulations to Keith for getting on the right track before things got worse. It's a real man than can realize his mistakes and make real change in his life. Best of luck to you. You probably have one of the best perspectives on this whole deal, having lived it.
just my uninformed opinion....

[cave]

SummitKarl i respectfully disagree. County jail is jail not rehab. Prison is a place for rehab. As for criminals hating the sheriff I don't think it would matter if they had the playboy channel hooked up they would still hate him. They, the criminal, screwed up and got caught. They go to jail and that is just what it is, JAIL. County jail is not a place for rehab. Its your 1st warning. If you don't get it the first time you may be lucky like Kieth. Most are repeat offenders and just don't get it. They are destine to do state or fed time.
Never been to Maricopa county jail but I did do a stint in HOJJ in LA CA. It was my fault. I did the time and decided at that point that I didn't want to go back. Not because the system but because I heard a guy get the crap beat out of him 1 bunk over. No one came to help him till daylight. Justice served for that punk. Dont ever eyeball a lifer no matter how many homies you got in there!
Leason learned.

[Keithb87]

. In many prisons, the inmates get bigger and badder w/weights, etc. and get an education on bigger and badder crime - wtf??? ....
Most State Prisons do not have weights any more. Only the Federal Prisons still have thim avail.
And there is a difference in an inmate and a convict. An inmate is not sencentenced only accused. A convict has been accused and sencentenced. Just FYI

[SummitKarl]

SummitKarl i respectfully disagree. County jail is jail not rehab. Prison is a place for rehab. As for criminals hating the sheriff I don't think it would matter if they had the playboy channel hooked up they would still hate him. They, the criminal, screwed up and got caught. They go to jail and that is just what it is, JAIL. County jail is not a place for rehab. Its your 1st warning. If you don't get it the first time you may be lucky like Kieth. Most are repeat offenders and just don't get it. They are destine to do state or fed time.
Never been to Maricopa county jail but I did do a stint in HOJJ in LA CA. It was my fault. I did the time and decided at that point that I didn't want to go back. Not because the system but because I heard a guy get the crap beat out of him 1 bunk over. No one came to help him till daylight. Justice served for that punk. Dont ever eyeball a lifer no matter how many homies you got in there!
Leason learned.
A point well made, well spoken and understood!!!!!
I learned something new today (thankyou)
I guess it's just my personel distaste for the way Sherrif Joe comes across, "out of control" and not to mention I had to THUMP a guy that was beating his wife Tue night, it was in LHC paper yesterday, and being as I use my car to raise money here in LHC for the local domestic abuse center, it was very personel to me, so I am in the "counciling mind frame" right now, where you try to solve the problems by education.

[BoatPI]

I have met Joe, and he does have a public ego. He is a smart fox.
His background includes some CIA work and many levels of law enforcement work at a variety of agencies. His life story can be read in his book; "Americas Toughest Sheriff" (Summit Publishing Group 96-3207). I wish he could make those sandwichs for 5 cents, and it is a shame that he had to die the shorts pink and waste the money on this when he could have spent it on sandwichs. But the criminals in his jail kept walking out with them on when they were white, thus the need to die them.
The ACLU, and many left wingers have tried to stiffle his procedures, all to no avail. I recall about five years ago when a few prisoners tiped over a few Andy Gump sh*t houses. Joe had them clean it up and informed them they had that many fewer places to take a sh*t at. Sounds like he dished out some taking responsibility for your action thoughts. But I guess that is why some of the folks in his lock up are their.
Oh, and Joe only permits specal tv signals in the tent areas, CSPAN, A and E, and the Disney Channel for a few.

[Lake Ape]

I think jail is for punishment, prison is for rehab. The simple answer here is don't break the law and if you don't get caught. Joe has a lot of axes to grind, some going all the way back to when he was undercover in south america. He is full of himself but I don't care what he does as long as the criminals hate him and don't want to go back. Arizona has more criminals, crooks, law-breakers and snake oil salesman per population than any other state according to the justice department. I don't care what Joe does because I will never see him!

[Flying Tiger]

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[WHIPPED502]

The bottom line that has been proven over and over is that most adult inmates can't be rehabbed. I know one of the big problems is when they get out there is a lack of support to help get their lives started. Then why should tax payers pay for some idiot that couldn't control their behavior and broke the law. The only ones that can be rehabbed are the juveniles. Even this is difficult because alot of these individuals go back to the piece of shit parents that couldn't teach there kids right and wrong to begin with. The problem with society these days is that there are to many bleeding heart liberals and people that won't take responsibility for their own actions. Drugs and alcohol are not a disease they are a choice and an ignorant choice at that. Watch somebody die of cancer and you will see a disease that someone doesn't have a choice about.
Have your child raped by a 3 time sex offender and see if spending everyday of his life in a tent with the temperature a 100 degrees is punishment enough. How about that crack head that just shot you brother for $20.00 to score another high. This is the shit that happens everyday because society doesn't want to deal with these assholes. The problem is there aren't enough people at the top with the balls to take care of business like Sheriff Arpaio. These people deserve no rights until they have paid their debt to society.
John

[quiet riot]

Why should I pay for an adults rehab? Just because I made the right choices in life now I should fix everyone that didn't?
Juvies may not have been givin the opportunity to know the consequences by there upbringing, if there is a chance they can become a productive member of society I am all for it.
Any adult that makes the choice to break the law should pay the consequence (every penalty out there should be 2-3 times more than it is) and if that isn't enough deterent then the criminal isn't smart enough to function in society and should be removed permanently!
True mental cases (prolly less then 1%) should get life and all the others should be shot in the courtroom when they are convicted. This sentence should apply to everything from child molestation and 3-peat offenders on up. Immediate and permanent removal from society.
jd