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Rod-64
08-03-2005, 01:37 PM
Jet overruns runway in Toronto, burns
Air France plane was carrying about 200 passengers
TORONTO, Canada (CNN) -- An Air France passenger jet carrying about 200 passengers overran a runway and burst into flames Tuesday at Toronto's Pearson International Airport.
The plane was Flight 358, an Airbus 340 scheduled to arrive from Paris at 3:35 p.m.
There was no information on casualties, said Toronto radio reporter Leah Walker, who witnessed the event. "There are hundreds of emergency vehicles here to do whatever is possible to be done at this point."
Smoke billowed from the site, as scores of emergency workers sought to put it out.
Severe thunderstorms had occurred in the area beforehand.
"This plane came off the runway; it slid off the runway and into this gully," Walker said. "It's come off with probably a great amount of force into trees and the creek."
She said a fireball engulfed the plane.
"We're just watching as they attempt to put foam on it and try to get these flames out."
A news conference was set to be held at 5 p.m. EDT.

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 01:40 PM
That it is filled with French people and it's a terrorism act. :hammerhea

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:00 PM
That it is filled with French people and it's a terrorism act. :hammerhea
I'm hoping they find survivors. Sorry, but that was a jackass comment even if you were trying to be funny. :confused:

SouthBay RB
08-03-2005, 02:02 PM
Said about 250 to 290 people on board
and a Radio station said they saw survivors climbing out of the wreckage

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 02:03 PM
You don't know me. I wasn't trying to be funny! Really!

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 02:04 PM
your not well versed on the French?
Not enough time not space in this forum. But France could dissappear and the world would be a better place. Go for a visit and come back and re think your opinion.

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:06 PM
you're right...don't know you. It's just an opinion on your post that I feel was way out of line. I bet most would agree with me on this one.
have a nice day.

JB in so cal
08-03-2005, 02:06 PM
Jet overruns runway in Toronto, burns
Air France plane was carrying about 200 passengers
TORONTO, Canada (CNN) -- An Air France passenger jet carrying about 200 passengers overran a runway and burst into flames Tuesday at Toronto's Pearson International Airport.
The plane was Flight 358, an Airbus 340 scheduled to arrive from Paris at 3:35 p.m.
There was no information on casualties, said Toronto radio reporter Leah Walker, who witnessed the event. "There are hundreds of emergency vehicles here to do whatever is possible to be done at this point."
Smoke billowed from the site, as scores of emergency workers sought to put it out.
Severe thunderstorms had occurred in the area beforehand.
"This plane came off the runway; it slid off the runway and into this gully," Walker said. "It's come off with probably a great amount of force into trees and the creek."
She said a fireball engulfed the plane.
"We're just watching as they attempt to put foam on it and try to get these flames out."
A news conference was set to be held at 5 p.m. EDT.
Scare Bus. French jokes aside. :skull: :skull:

SouthBay RB
08-03-2005, 02:07 PM
Press conference (on now) says no fatalities.
Thats hard to believe after looking at some of the pictures.. :eek:
Forensic
Man, thats crazy
Freaking plane blows up and people still allive
Someone was looking over them

HCS
08-03-2005, 02:08 PM
Press conference (on now) says no fatalities.
Thats hard to believe after looking at some of the pictures.. :eek:
Forensic
Ok, now you can cut on the French. :hammer2:

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:13 PM
your not well versed on the French?
Not enough time not space in this forum. But France could dissappear and the world would be a better place. Go for a visit and come back and re think your opinion.
whatever. you're obviously not well versed on humanity. So they smell, are rude, don't back us up, flip their noses at us, seduce our women with their stupid accents, whatever. Still wouldn't wish indescribable pain, sorrow, & suffering on them or their families like you seem to have no problem doing.

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 02:13 PM
I lived in Europe for 8 years and served in the gulf, in a tank (M1A1) along side the worthless French. Don't have time for them. Neither does anyone else in Europe. They are well loved in the former Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya and lots of other terrorist nations for their ability to circumvent the UN and USA and sell weapons, chemicals, etc. etc. to the terrorists.
The French, complete population, are well known for hating Americans and treating us like crap.
Sorry I keep forgetting my audience on the board. I'll try to keep it simple. :rolleyes:

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 02:18 PM
Sorry MoBrein:
I don't have a problem with it. I also have no problem killing terrorist in a slow painful way. I like the electric chair for rapists and murderers. I think the injection thing is a wimp way out. I also believe in wiping out complete villages for every American that is beheaded.
Funding terrosrists and keeping them supplied in stuff is what the French businesses and country did. (read oil for food scandal at the UN) In essence, they are terrorists. And they like them because they hate Americans. I don't appreciate the "diplomatic" games we play in the world. Just calling it as it really is.
We differ. I appreciate the fact that we can chat about it here.

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 02:19 PM
"You were a tanker and you're going to try and keep it simple for US?"
ok, I concede that point........ :supp:

ColeTR2
08-03-2005, 02:20 PM
News says eveyone made it out OK

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:27 PM
Sorry MoBrein:
I don't have a problem with it. I also have no problem killing terrorist in a slow painful way. I like the electric chair for rapists and murderers. I think the injection thing is a wimp way out. I also believe in wiping out complete villages for every American that is beheaded.
We differ. I appreciate the fact that we can chat about it here.
I don't have problems with some of those topics either. Rapists, terrorists, murderers, child molesters.....fry 'em & lower my taxes. Weird, but I guess I do agree with you on some things. But it still doesn't make much sense to me to wish that kind of ill will on what appears to be some innocent travelers.

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:31 PM
News says eveyone made it out OK
that is amazing and good news. imagine the stories after that ride.
:2purples: YIKES! :2purples:
how did they account for everyone so quickly....unbelievable.

ROZ
08-03-2005, 02:40 PM
It's essentially a terrorist mentality. Blaming all the peoples of a country for the sins of their government.
Can't we all just get along? :D

Mrs. Bordsmnj
08-03-2005, 02:41 PM
Crazy story!! :sqeyes:
And geez you guys are being hard on Big Warlock. I do not have a terrorist mentality nor do I wish bad things upon innocent people but I saw his ever so slight humor in his post. It wasn't exactly politically correct but if we were always polite and agreed with every thing we are supposed, life and ***boat would be boring. :p
Please don't attack me now too just cuz I don't dig the French either. ;)

JB in so cal
08-03-2005, 02:41 PM
The 2 Air FRANCE pilots were seen walking AWAY from the wreckage - co pliot flagged down cars on a local highway!! Aren't ALL crew members, flight and cabin, supposed to assist with passengers escape???
If this is true?? Air France has some 'splainin to do. :devil:
Can you imagine trying to get your a** out of that plane and you see the piots running away???

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 02:47 PM
Can't we all just get along? :D
you and I seem to get along just fine Chris....BTW - still lovin' my stereo!!! I haven't thanked you in a while so.....again thanks for all of your help & advice. :D Now get back to lurking.... :p

ROZ
08-03-2005, 02:48 PM
Can you imagine trying to get your a** out of that plane and you see the piots running away???
I thought all Franch did that :D

OGShocker
08-03-2005, 02:52 PM
you're right...don't know you. It's just an opinion on your post that I feel was way out of line. I bet most would agree with me on this one.
have a nice day.
I for one say FOCK the FRENCH! :chi:

ROZ
08-03-2005, 02:52 PM
It's essentially a terrorist mentality. Blaming all the peoples of a country for the sins of their government.
Sounds like the perfect time to declare a Fatwah ! :D

badbrad
08-03-2005, 02:55 PM
French Fries?

Sleek-Jet
08-03-2005, 02:59 PM
The 2 Air FRANCE pilots were seen walking AWAY from the wreckage - co pliot flagged down cars on a local highway!! Aren't ALL crew members, flight and cabin, supposed to assist with passengers escape???
If this is true?? Air France has some 'splainin to do. :devil:
Can you imagine trying to get your a** out of that plane and you see the piots running away???
LOL... I would probably figure things are worse than we thought... :idea:
As far as the pilots abandoning ship, with all the new BS security rules in place, they probably had the cockpit door locked and they couldn't open it after the impact. The probably egressed out the cockpit windows... then went and flagged a car down to take them to the nearest bar... :D

SMFRiverRat
08-03-2005, 04:13 PM
[QUOTE=Sleek-Jet]LOL... then went and flagged a car down to take them to the nearest bar... :D[/QUOTE
Where there is a plane...there is a Pilot, and where there is a Pilot, there is a Bar!

MOBrien
08-03-2005, 04:18 PM
[QUOTE=Sleek-Jet]LOL... then went and flagged a car down to take them to the nearest bar... :D[/QUOTE
Where there is a plane...there is a Pilot, and where there is a Pilot, there is a Bar!
You would know Cap't :D

H20 Toie
08-03-2005, 04:26 PM
I went to france for work and in the southern part and the people there were very nice, nothing like what i had heard, We went to Paris and we were treated like crap it was so bad that we left 2 days early and went to England, i have no desire to ever go back again, The country is great and there is so much history there but the people in Paris have a serious attitude.
If anyone ever invades France again they should get to keep it.

Havasteve
08-03-2005, 08:43 PM
By ROB GILLIES and BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 10 minutes ago
TORONTO - A jetliner carrying 309 people skidded off a runway while landing in a thunderstorm Tuesday, sliding into a ravine and breaking into pieces, but remarkably everyone aboard survived by jumping to safety in the moments before the plane burst into flames.
As many as 43 people suffered minor injuries in the 4:03 p.m. crash landing of Air France Flight 358 from Paris — the first time an Airbus A340 had crashed in its 13 years of commercial service.
The plane, carrying 297 passengers and 12 crew, overran the runway by 200 yards at Toronto's Pearson International Airport, said Steve Shaw, a vice president of the Greater Toronto Airport Authority.
"The plane touched ground and we felt it was going off road and hitting a ravine and that's when we thought that was really the end of it," said Olivier Dubois, a passenger who was sitting in the rear of the aircraft. "It was really, really scary. Everyone was panicking."
The aircraft skidded down a slope into a wooded area next to one of Canada's busiest highways, and some survivors said that passengers scrambled up to the road to catch rides with passing cars.
While Shaw said there were 43 injured passengers, Air France said in a statement that 22 passengers were treated for minor injuries.
Initially, those on board believed they had landed safely and clapped with relief, passenger Gwen Dunlop told The Associated Press.
"Only seconds later, it started really moving and obviously it wasn't OK," said Dunlop. "At some point the wing was off. The oxygen masks never came down; the plane was filling up with smoke."
She said one of the flight attendants tried to calm passengers and tell them that everything was fine.
"One of the hostesses said, `You can calm down, it's OK,' and yet the plane was on fire and smoke was pouring in," Dunlop said. "I don't like to criticize, but the staff did not seem helpful or prepared."
She said the pouring rain, lightning and thunder added to the drama as passengers exited the plane.
"We were just thrown into the weather," she said. "We were all trying to go up a hill; it was all mud and we lost our shoes. We were just scrambling, people with children."
Gay Bopaul said her husband called her on a cell phone shortly after the crash, taking shelter under a bridge. He said the passengers were all sharing their mobile phones so they could call their families.
Roel Bramar, who was in the back of the plane, said he used an escape chute to get out of the plane.
"We had a hell of a roller coaster coming down the ravine," Bramar told CNN.
Bramar and Dubois both said the power went off shortly before landing, perhaps after the plane was hit by lighting.
In his comment to CTV, Dubois said he did not expect a crash landing and that there was no warning from the captain.
"It was very very fast," Dubois said. "As soon as the plane stopped, they immediately opened the side of the plane where we couldn't see anything and they told us to jump."
There was no time to spare.
Just moments after the crash, a portion of the plane's wing could be seen jutting from the trees as smoke and flames poured from the middle of its broken fuselage.
A row of emergency vehicles lined up behind the wreck, and a fire truck sprayed the flames with water. A government transportation highway camera recorded the burning plane, and the footage was broadcast live on television in Canada and the United States.
Rayed Hantash said his brother, 25-year-old Mohammed Hantash, was on the flight and called him on his cell phone immediately after the crash to tell him he was fine.
"As the plane stopped, they jumped off and made their way across to the highway," Hantash said. "I'm going to give him a good hug and good kiss and take him home."
Relatives and friends were taken to the Sheraton hotel at the airport and asked to wait there until the passengers joined them.
Several hours later, passengers in red blankets were taken to the hotel to meet with their loved ones and friends. Some were distressed that they had to go through customs before they were reunited.
Airbus spokeswoman Barbara Kracht said the A340 has never crashed before in its 13 years of commercial service.
Chris Yates, an aviation specialist with Jane's Transport magazine, said the A340 is a very popular "workhorse" among carriers serving Asian and trans-Atlantic routes, with a very good safety record.
Although it was too early to draw any conclusions about the accident, Yates said, "we're probably talking about a weather-related issue here."
Environment Canada had issued a severe weather alert earlier in the day, saying its radar showed a rapidly developing thunderstorm with winds up to about 60 mph. Shaw said the airport had been under a "red alert" since noon, which indicates the potential for lightning, but does not prevent planes from landing or taking off.
Although modern airliners are safer than ever, Yates said, extreme conditions can still be dangerous, especially during takeoff and landing.
"A thunderstorm can happen anywhere — it comes down to the judgment of the air traffic controller and the skill of the pilot to determine whether it's appropriate to land or to divert elsewhere," Yates said.
Tuesday's airplane crash in Toronto came exactly 20 years after an American disaster that focused renewed attention to wind shear, a natural phenomenon that can make airplanes drop out of the sky.
While the cause of the Toronto crash has not yet been determined, the fact that it happened during a thunderstorm raises the possibility of wind shear.
The 1985 airline crash at Dallas-Forth Worth airport, which killed more than 137 people, made dealing with wind shear "a national imperative" for the U.S. federal government, said Larry Cornman of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.
Since then, he said Tuesday, systems to detect wind shear have been installed at almost all major airports in the United States. Cornman said the Canadian government investigated installing such systems during the 1990s, but added he did not know how many have been installed.
Wind shear is a sudden change in wind speed or direction. The most dangerous kind, called a microburst, is caused by air descending from a thunderstorm.
The last major jet crash in North America was on Nov. 12, 2001, when American Airlines Flight 587 lost part of its tail and plummeted into a New York City neighborhood, killing 265 people. Safety investigators concluded that the crash was caused by the pilot moving the rudder too aggressively.

Sane Asylum
08-03-2005, 08:49 PM
Can't we all just get along? :D
No.........This is the ***boat....... :devil: :rolleyes:

Big Warlock
08-03-2005, 08:55 PM
(Rayed Hantash said his brother, 25-year-old Mohammed Hantash, was on the flight and called him on his cell phone immediately after the crash to tell him he was fine.
"As the plane stopped, they jumped off and made their way across to the highway," Hantash said. "I'm going to give him a good hug and good kiss and take him home." )
Hell I was getting worried it was only French people on the plane!! :hammer2: :hammer2: