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I recently installed the HD receiver and am getting great reception for the HD channels in 1080i resolution. But, I am sometimes seeing a little bit too much green and/or red in the other channels. Any suggestions or explanations?
thanks
Sounds like your TV is improperly setup. The best thing you can do is have your HDTV properly calibrated by an ISF certified calibrater.
What shows are you noticing it on specifically. Some shows are purposely done off color. House and NCIS are really red. CSI:NY is very dark and grayish. CSI:Miami is really orange, but not as bad as it used to be.
How do I go about getting someone out to calibrate my stuff. I have adjusted my TV as best I could, but the color changes while I am watching any given channel.
CA Stu
08-22-2005, 11:52 AM
Lighting where you are watching the TV is important.
Ask the same question here http://www.highdefforum.com/
before you open your wallet.
Good Luck
CA Stu
Rock-A-Bye-Baby
08-22-2005, 01:14 PM
I recently installed the HD receiver and am getting great reception for the HD channels in 1080i resolution. But, I am sometimes seeing a little bit too much green and/or red in the other channels. Any suggestions or explanations?
thanks
Thor- where did you get your reciever? i was just looking into this myself and want to get it soon!
Thor- where did you get your reciever? i was just looking into this myself and want to get it soon!
$199 at Best Buy. They have come down in price considerably in the past year.
CA Stu
08-22-2005, 04:38 PM
How about HD-Tivo? WHat's the wholesale deal on that these days?
Last I checked, it was $1k, adn I just don't watch that much TV!
Jyruiz
08-22-2005, 07:15 PM
If you don't want to spring for the calibration, you can also try doing it yourself with a DVD call AVIA or Digital Video Essentials. It wont be as good as a pro calibrator, but it is better than not using anything at all. Also, how is your HD receiver hooked up, what type of connection did you use, and what is the name brand of the TV and receiver?
Shockwavebob,
how long have you been a member at AVS?
Its a Direct TV HD receiver model H10 and a Samsung HDTV, 55".
Jyruiz
08-22-2005, 07:41 PM
I take it then that it is a CRT rear projection TV and you have it connected with component cables? Make sure the cables are inserted in all the way.
I take it then that it is a CRT rear projection TV and you have it connected with component cables? Make sure the cables are inserted in all the way.
Yes,
Okay, will do, thanks. Whats wrong with component cables?
Jyruiz
08-22-2005, 07:46 PM
Nothing, I just wanted to make sure because now there are several types of connections for HD. Back in the day, it was only component, now there is DVI, HDMI, RGB and component.
they are all in. I am using RGB too I think.
I am an idiot, so bare with me.
Jyruiz
08-22-2005, 09:14 PM
Don't get composite mixed with component. Component cables are, 3 cables just for video, a green, red and blue, composite is just a yellow for video and red and white for audio. Just in case you are using both component and RGB, disconnect one and go into the setup of the receiver, and make sure it is set to the right type of connection. I have not played around with an H10, so I am not familiar with it. I know on my HD receiver, I have to choose wich connection I will be using.
For HD, you really should be using the DVI/HDMI output of the receiver, if applicable.
I have that on the receiver, but I am not positive I have it on my TV.
28Prowler525
08-23-2005, 07:14 AM
How about HD-Tivo? WHat's the wholesale deal on that these days?
Last I checked, it was $1k, adn I just don't watch that much TV!
Call Direct TV. They are down to 249.00 or 299.00 now, according to one of my sales guys who talked to direct tv last week. I also heard that Direct TV and Tivo are going separate ways, and if that is the case you need to buy your HD receiver before it happens.
Take that m-f-er back to the Best Buy then. :D
What does it look like?
28Prowler525
08-23-2005, 08:46 AM
DirecTV does not sell equipment. They will give you an equipment credit towards your bill, in some cases, but that's all.
:confused:
I just talked to my employee and he called Directv last Wednesday. He bought 2 HD TIVO receivers, from Directv for $299.00 each. This is to be applied next month to his bill. Directv is scheduled to be at his house this Sat. to install.
It looks like this:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/images/ram_cables.jpg
Also, a word of warning to anybody reading this thread considering a DirecTV HD Tivo. Those boxes MAY BE obsolete, which might be why they are less than $500 right now. When the new D* satellites are active, they are supposedly going to switch to MPEG-4. These boxes do not support MPEG-4. They would still work for OTA HD.
I have the DVI input on my TV, but I run everything through my Pioneer receiver. I think I need help hooking everything up correctly. If I need to go the optical audio or video, or DVI route I will, I just get confused when hooking this stuff up.
Buy me dinner and I'll hook it up for you. :D
Cool, tell me what to get in terms of cable, wires, etc and you name it. Dinner, beer, more beer, whatever.
What output do you have on your receiver? HDMI and DVI look the same, but they are not. Knowing what you have is very important before you buy cable. Those cables ain't cheap.
My stereo receiver doesnt have one, but my Direct TV receiver has HDMI
Jyruiz
08-23-2005, 03:31 PM
Shockwavebob is correct on everything he has said except for, DVI and HDMI do not look the same. The DVI connection is bigger than the HDMI. Whats cool about HDMI is that you don't need to run any audio cables. With DVI you will need to run audio cables. We are probably confusing you, so I will just let Shockwavebob educate you on the intricacies of audio and video. :)
MagicMtnDan
08-23-2005, 04:27 PM
:confused:
I just talked to my employee and he called Directv last Wednesday. He bought 2 HD TIVO receivers, from Directv for $299.00 each. This is to be applied next month to his bill. Directv is scheduled to be at his house this Sat. to install.
I'm having a hard time believing this pricing. Just this weekend I talked to DirecTV about this and got pricing on the HD TiVos that's about the same as the deal at Best Buy: $499.00 after a $100 mail-in rebate.
Please let me know how to get this $299 price!
MagicMtnDan
08-23-2005, 04:32 PM
It looks like this:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/images/ram_cables.jpg
Also, a word of warning to anybody reading this thread considering a DirecTV HD Tivo. Those boxes MAY BE obsolete, which might be why they are less than $500 right now. When the new D* satellites are active, they are supposedly going to switch to MPEG-4. These boxes do not support MPEG-4. They would still work for OTA HD.
Well, I don't believe the existing boxes (any of them) will be obsolete. DirecTV cannot afford that. I had this conversation with one of DirecTV's "HD specialists" and DTV would lose way too many customers for them to obsolete any exisiting equipment. DTV is working very hard to keep their existing customers (call them and ask them for something and you'll see how they're willing to keep you as a happy customer).
What will happen is when the next generation boxes become available the new features may not (won't) work on the old boxes. But they will still receive the signals (at least the existing channels!) into the future.
Here's more info...
http://gear.ign.com/articles/578/578382p1.html
CES 2005: DIRECTV Announcements Galore
New DVR, Home Media Center and local HD programming on the way.
January 08, 2005 - At the 2005 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, DIRECTV announced a slew of new products and services with which to expand its ever growing consumer base.
One announcement was its new DIRECTV DVR. Users of the new DVR will have access to more interactivity with their unit, such as being able to pause and rewind live TV for up to 90 minutes, thanks to the DVR's large cache. The new DIRECTV DVR will allow users to record up to 100 hours of DIRECTV programming and access various interactive services.
Interactive features include:
· One-Touch Recording -- Customers can record favorite shows by pressing one button on their remote control.
· Record Now/Pay Later -- Provides users the flexibility to record all pay-per-view (PPV) movies they might be interested in and only pay for shows the user actually views.
· Recording of Series -- Provides consumers with the power to seamlessly schedule a recording of an entire season of their favorite show. This feature automatically tracks changes to the programming schedule to ensure proper recording.
· DVR Controls -- Users have full control of their viewing experience with pause, instant replay, rewind, fast-forward, slow motion, and frame-by-frame viewing capability.
· Playlist -- Displays all recorded content in an organized list, including convenient groupings of series recordings and DIRECTV extras.
· Viewmarks -- Customers can easily mark favorite places in their recordings and jump directly to them.
· Advanced Search Capability -- Users can quickly search for shows, genres, actors, directors, channels or key words both in upcoming shows and shows they have previously recorded. Users can also return to previous searches to find matching programs.
· AutoRecord -- Users can set the new DIRECTV DVR to record all programs matching a keyword or other search criteria.
· Onscreen caller ID -- Logs phone calls and offers the on-display convenience of users browsing current or previous calls without interrupting the television viewing experience.
· Enhanced viewing experience -- Supports Interactive programming, such as DIRECTV Mix channels, NFL Sunday Ticket interactive and DIRECTV Active.
· Picture-in-guide -- Users can browse through the various features of DIRECTV's new user interface while connected to their program, which is always present in a video window.
The new DIRECTV DVR is scheduled for commercial availability in mid-2005.
DIRECTV also announced its Home Media Center at CES 2005. The unit sounds something akin to Microsoft's line of Media Centers (with units shipping from the likes of Alienware, Gateway and others) where it will allow for a central media storage device, the Home Media Center itself, and separate receivers throughout the household that can access the main device and stream video, music and photos to various TVs throughout the household. So, for instance, you could be using a connected TV in your bedroom and schedule the Home Media Center in your living room to record a show, and then turn around and watch a movie that you had recorded earlier in your living room from the comfort of your bed.
DIRECTV also announced the first 12 markets that will receive local high-definition programming later this year. These markets include: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, San Francisco, Dallas, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Detroit, Houston and Tampa. These markets should see local HD programming in the second half of this year, with broad nationwide support for local HD by 2007.
Jyruiz
08-23-2005, 05:01 PM
They look the same to my wife
Funny, my wife thinks its all the same as well. :)
Shockwavebob is correct on everything he has said except for, DVI and HDMI do not look the same. The DVI connection is bigger than the HDMI. Whats cool about HDMI is that you don't need to run any audio cables. With DVI you will need to run audio cables. We are probably confusing you, so I will just let Shockwavebob educate you on the intricacies of audio and video. :)
THis is fine and dandy, but how do I get my surround stuff from my stereo receiver to my speakers? Is the DVI just from the Direct TV receiver to the TV? This is where I am getting lost.
Okay, I bought an HDMI to DVI cable and ran that to my TV directly from the HD receiver and it say I was either out of range or had no signal. WTF is going on with my HD receiver setup and why is it going green and/or red periodically?
Essex502
08-24-2005, 05:11 PM
I had to replace a Hughes brand DirecTV HD receiver a coupla' months ago under warranty. I was told at the time when talking to DTV that the new gear will be needed to pick up their broadcasts from the new satellites being readied for launch by Boeing. The existing HD receivers will work for the existing satellites but not the new ones. I traded up to a new style DTV branded receiver that is supposed to be able to receive the new satellite feeds. DTV said they will be offering a trade-up program for all of the customers that want the new receivers. BTW...I liked the menu on the Hughes receivers much, much better than the DTV branded ones. Also, I can't directly control the VCR for automatic taping with the new reciever versus the Hughes. Oh well...still waiting for a DVR that operates like a VCR without the subscription Bull$hit.
The component cables are correct, I have hit the reset button on the receiver and still it is going in and out of good color. Do I need to get a professional over here to calibrate my TV?
Do you have anything else with component outputs that you can test your TV with? XBox, DVD player, etc?
Also, are you using real component video cables? They may be bad.
Yep, they the DVD I played was fine. My cables are Monster component cables.
Are you using the same inputs on the TV?
I'm assuming your using component video switching through your stereo receiver?
Nope, I used to do that. Today I just switched the components so they go directly from my HD receiver into my TV.
Pioneer DSX-710 receiver
Direct TV HD model H10 satellite receiver (no actual brand name on it.
Samsung 55" HDTV model HCN-5527W
It looks like this:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/images/ram_cables.jpg
Also, a word of warning to anybody reading this thread considering a DirecTV HD Tivo. Those boxes MAY BE obsolete, which might be why they are less than $500 right now. When the new D* satellites are active, they are supposedly going to switch to MPEG-4. These boxes do not support MPEG-4. They would still work for OTA HD.
I was told by our national trainers that Direct TV will do exchanges for these units recently bought since the satellite went up because they haven't decided whether or not Mpeg 4 will be used... That could be just for our customers, but who knows....
Okay, I recently had a bunch of tiny green squares show up on ESPN HD and I f'n freaked. I changed the component cables to go through the pioneer receiver and into the component 2 cables.
There is no standard protocal for DVI. This means that the dvi input between brands may not always work correctly. In fact, I know that some mitsubishi tv's experience a jitter when coupled to a certain samsung dvd player using dvi outputs.. Compnent works fine.
It is possible that this may be the problem... Also there have been problems with some HDMI to DVI applications... It doesn't always work.
Since you don't have HDMI inputs on the tv and have to run seperate audio via optical coax, Toslink(square optical plug), or standard interconnects, I'd go ahead and hook the dtv unit's video either directly to the tv or through the receiver using really good component cables for video and use the best audio connection your receiver provides for you.
There is no standard protocal for DVI. This means that the dvi input between brands may not always work correctly. In fact, I know that some mitsubishi tv's experience a jitter when coupled to a certain samsung dvd player using dvi outputs.. Compnent works fine.
It is possible that this may be the problem... Also there have been problems with some HDMI to DVI applications... It doesn't always work.
Since you don't have HDMI inputs on the tv and have to run seperate audio via optical coax, Toslink(square optical plug), or standard interconnects, I'd go ahead and hook the dtv unit's video either directly to the tv or through the receiver using really good component cables for video and use the best audio connection your receiver provides for you.
I am doing that now. I am using the Monster component cables and coax single plugs for audio and planned on getting optical audio tomorrow. The picture still acted the same when I went directly from the DTV to the TV.
should have pm'd me when you knew you were going to buy all of those expensive cables.... :D depending on which grade, ofcourse.. My newport store isn't that far from ya...
should have pm'd me when you knew you were going to buy all of those expensive cables.... :D depending on which grade, ofcourse.. My newport store isn't that far from ya...
F&^% Roz. I am taking back my HDMI and DVI cables and waiting to see what I need to do. When I find out, I will give you my money for sure. Just let me know exactly where to go and what to get.
You didn't get them from one of my stores, did you?
You didn't get them from one of my stores, did you?
No, a product I sell give me bonus money to Best Buy and I have about $700 in gift certs. But, I dont care, I'd rather give money to you to be honest.
Do you need audio from your tv or are ou like the rest of us and use your stereo's speakers all the time?
That pioneer is a vsx 710 ?
No, a product I sell give me bonus money to Best Buy and I have about $700 in gift certs. But, I dont care, I'd rather give money to you to be honest.
No wories, bro.. I'll check out BB's site to see which cables they have and recomend which to get :)
Okay, I am an idiot
It is a Pioneer vsx-710 and yes I run my audio through my surround speaker all the time.
I'm not familiar with that unit, but how many component inputs and outputs does it have?
In terms of components, 2 inputs (1 from DVD, 1 from DTV) and one output.
Does it have digital inputs, and if so, what kind? Ie. digital coax or toslink(square plug optical)
Also, does your dvd and HD receiver have digital outputs? Both should... What kind?
Does it have digital inputs, and if so, what kind? Ie. digital coax or toslink(square plug optical)
Also, does your dvd and HD receiver have digital outputs? Both should... What kind?
Yes, it has a 1 DVD coax, 1 CD opt, 1 CD-R opt, and 1 digital opt out.
Each optical port should be assignable to a video source. IE Opt 1 or (a) to dvd(a) or be able to assign it...
Your hd receiver should have opt output and chances are that your dvd player does as well.. What model DVD do you have?
BTW, I believe the H10 is a philips product..
got it.. I'm at bb site checking cables...
All you need is 3 comonent cables and 2 toslink(fiber optic cables) for audio...
I have 3 component cables now but my picture still goes very green and/or very red at times. I have one opt audio cable too.
I am vry tempted to start over with a new DTV receiver and take mine back.
I would give that a try. See if you can get them to give you an equipment credit on a Samsung TS-160. That thing is bullet proof and have DVI output versus HDMI.
Okay, cool.
We stock a few grades higher, but here's what best buy has that's best...
x3 U2 V1000 CV
http://www.monstercable.com/images_db/home_av/thx/ultra/ULT_V1000_CV_glam_tn.jpg
x2 U2 I1000 F http://www.monstercable.com/images_db/home_av/thx/ultra/ULT_I1000DCX_glam_tn.jpg
Well I guess that's that...lol ...
let us know what ou decide to do...lol
Are you sure your connections are good and tight.. color flicker will happen if the conections aren't good...
I will go get the THX connectors after I trade in my DTV receiver. Fockers. Why can stuff work right straight from the box?
Okay folks, I got a new HD receiver and the color thingy is still happening. What now? I have tried 3 set of cables and purchased a new box. WTF? I was told that I may have to get my TV calibrated. Does this work? And, who do I call to do this?
I have a service plan/warranty via Best Buy, but I doubt those idiots know any more about calibration than I do.
Bob, do you have any names of folks that did yours or could do mine here in OC?
I have a service plan/warranty via Best Buy, but I doubt those idiots know any more about calibration than I do.
Their service and repair department will now how to calibrate the machine... Remember, this is not what you paid for and will take it back for a full refund if they don't fix the defective product they sold you ;) :D
Their service and repair department will now how to calibrate the machine... Remember, this is not what you paid for and will take it back for a full refund if they don't fix the defective product they sold you ;) :D
Roz,
this didnt start happening until I hooked up the HD receiver. I just go a new one today and the picture is still off. Faces sometimes look sunburned, the picture is sometimes too green, etc. But, it doesnt do it when I am watching a DVD.
Like I said, and I think Roz is saying, it sounds like your TV may be bad. I'd definately look into having it fixed under warranty.
Not saying it IS defective, but use that card if they begin to give you the runaround about getting someone out there .... SHouldn't be an issue, since it's likely still in MFG warranty
Uplink
09-02-2005, 01:08 AM
Thor, you shouldn't have to calibrate a brand new TV.
You mentioned "out of range,no signal & green squares" these are reception problems. Did these warnings come from the TV or receiver?
Assume you have a triple LNB installed to receive all HD channels and your antenna is peaked properly?
Try checking signal strength in your setup menu. Hooking up an off-air UHF TV antenna will also narrow things down further, and you will have better HD pictures anyway than you get from satellite.
As a test, try hooking up either an single S-video cable, or a composite (yellow RCA jack) cable from the receiver to the TV. Does it work this way? This is lower quality, but is just a test to narrow down the defective item.
Color shifting will happen if you have a bad connection on your component cables, try wiggling the connectors to narrow down the problem. Also be sure all 3 cables correctly color matched and they are all the same length.
You can substitute 3 different cables as a test (doesn't have to be Monster cables for it to work good)
It doesn't sound like you have an audio problem, so I wouldn't worry about those connections right now.
hope that helps, good luck Mark ;)
If you want the best picture, you should have a new HDTV calibrated by a professional. I've seen maybe two TVs that were properly calibrated right out of the box, especially big screens, which are notorious for being poorly set up from the factory.
He's tried three different sets of component video cable and more than two sources. Digital signals do not have color shift problems, they are either there or they're not.
I agree about the cables as the possible culprit, but he seems to have that covered.
I have a 3 LNB dish that is properly aligned and getting full signals on the HD channels. I cant push my f'n cables in or adjust them any more that what I have and I still get the color coming in and out going too green or too red at times. This doesnt happen while playing a DVD though. I will call Best Buy and see what they say but I have alread had a guy out the first couple of months I owned my TV and his idea of calibration was wiping off the projection guns in the back and doing what I did for the TV adjustment through the remote. What a tool.
MagicMtnDan
09-02-2005, 05:54 AM
You can call DirecTV and for a fee of about $70 they will come to your house and check everything making sure all your connections, LNBs, disk, and HD unit are working correctly. They'll fix/replace anything that needs fixing. You might want to try that. I did it and they fixed the connections at my dish and at my Multi-Switch. Now I have HD and it's awesome :)
Also, I have been told by a few other folks here that their HDMI slot was not working on their DTV receiver either. I thought the first one was either my fault of my TV. But, should I try to go the HDMI to DVI route again?
UPDATE,
the TV calibration tech came over today and my HDTV was set up all wrong as it came out of the box. My colors were all off and too much green and red were showing at variable times. Also, there was a huge convergence problem from what he said. I dont know what exactly that means, but my HD is looking NICE right now.
OutCole'd
09-14-2005, 05:29 PM
It's about friggen time. You should be a TV repairman after all this.
Congrats. No more green porn for you.
I told you most sets were not adjusted properly from the manufacturer. Hopefully, that was under warranty.
Hell yeh it was. He just told me to sign and that was that. He even said he would come back if I wasnt satisfied.
It's about friggen time. You should be a TV repairman after all this.
Congrats. No more green porn for you.
Yeh, let me know when you are down at the Islander next and I'll adjust yours just right. :wink:
SCUBA STEVE
09-14-2005, 06:58 PM
Glad you got your problem fixed! And I'll know what to do if I have a problem when we finally upgrade to HDTV. :cool:
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