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This is the new TPI 900EFI "Black Widow Series" motor for 2006
It is sporting the beautiful new WHIPPLE 200AX(The 3.3 Replacement)
The pics look very plain, but this motor is sporting quite a bit of detail and flash. This motor will be going in the all red Howard 28 Bullet on another thread. Due to the timeframe it takes to do these Black Widow Motors, I will only make 3-5 annually. Enjoy
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383dynorm2.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383dynorm.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383prin2m.jpg
For everyone out there that loves a polished motor: This is a 2006 TPI 900 EFI with a polished set up, also sporting the new Whipple 200AX.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr2m.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr1m.JPG
For all of you 525 and 500 Blue Motor Fans: This is how the new Whipple 200AX will look on your application. These are very nice.........
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383w200ax.jpg
INSman
12-05-2005, 08:54 PM
Gary, for us "non" gearhead motor guys, what is the diff between the new 200AX and the old 3.3's ?? :D
p.s. That Widow motor looks evil, I want (2) !!!! :crossx:
The major difference is Lysholm is not involved in any way. Whipple has stepped up in a hard time and made a hell of a product here. They will have quite a bit of technical data available soon, but for now............lets enjoy the pics................................. :rollside:
dicudmore
12-05-2005, 10:04 PM
thats just f'in beautiful :cool:
Beer-30
12-05-2005, 10:18 PM
I've never seen a balancer do double-duty as a pulley! Nice and clean!
INSman
12-05-2005, 10:45 PM
thats just f'in beautiful :cool:
So beautiful, it pains me ... :cry: :cool:
Yes, thats the ATI internally balanced grooved balancer, its nice. I does cause quite a bit of trouble to the builder that has to plumb the front of the motor, but the customer benefits by having no rear seat intrusion. It's pretty clean all finished up.
Have to hand it to ya Mr. GT, it looks like you're years of hard work is REALLY paying off. The product you produce appears to be top notch, and well as your attitude. Good luck :)
BTW, What kinda warranty does it come with ;) :D
SDLifesaver
12-06-2005, 06:03 AM
Will that new Whipple work on an HO? Those motors are INSANE! Do they all need the computer time like the day at Elsinore or are these different? I should be talking to Mike today and I will PM you Gary. Nick
Thanks,
I just have to keep this business small(really small). I feel it will stay enjoyable if I do. My customers seem to appreciate it. I am just trying to offer a different choice to my Hot Boating community. These motors are expensive, I know it. Sometimes I cant believe it. But everytime the parts list is 100% complete and I go over the cost of the goods sold, the profit margin has gotten smaller. I am raising my prices on Jan 1 to try and resolve this issue. For some it's worth the money, and for some it's not. I totally understand both sides, because I was on consumer side of the fence for a long time.
Thanks for the continued support guys...........Happy Holidays
Nick,
EVERY motor I do is dyno tested and lake tested as part of the engine sale. This blower would be too big for the HO. You will probably utilize their new 140AX.
02HoWaRd26
12-06-2005, 08:04 AM
That black widow is very purty but it needs alittle more red,
MR HARLEY
12-06-2005, 08:20 AM
WOW!!!!, Just Amazing .....................Great work :cool:
Beer-30
12-06-2005, 08:33 AM
Yes, thats the ATI internally balanced grooved balancer, its nice. I does cause quite a bit of trouble to the builder that has to plumb the front of the motor, but the customer benefits by having no rear seat intrusion. It's pretty clean all finished up.
Ah yes, I see that it puts the belt sides right near the water passages.
That black widow is very purty but it needs alittle more red,
The whole boat is red. :cool: There are actually small red accents all over the motor.
FASTERDAMITT
12-06-2005, 10:24 AM
GT looks great! Are you willing to share some component spec's of your masterpiece?
little rowe boat
12-06-2005, 11:17 AM
Very,Very nice.
GT looks great! Are you willing to share some component spec's of your masterpiece?
Maybe.................Lets give it a little time to run. Thanks
HALLETT BOY
12-06-2005, 12:53 PM
Hey Gary ! How about a whipple-charged hybrid combo for people looking for
performance and fuel economy ????
Hey Gary ! How about a whipple-charged hybrid combo for people looking for
performance and fuel economy ????
Gordon,
That sounds like too much technology for our boating community. :rollside: I know its more than I could handle.
The outside dimensions are almost identical. I will have to get back to you on the actual CFM difference of the SC, but the throttle body is the same one/size/flow. I am sure Whipple will stand behind what they have sold with the documented limited warranty that you were provided at the sale.
By the time you need to R&R that 3.3 of yours JR, you will be 75 years old. So I guess I will have to ask Whipple where they will be in 30 years. Seriously, I dont personally see any problems getting compontents if you needed them.
In2Deep
12-07-2005, 06:22 AM
Beautiful motors. Either of them would look good in my 28 Heat.
clearfork
12-07-2005, 09:32 AM
Wow,
Every time I look I see something different.
I think Gary Hit a home run. Just a hint of red and polished equipment.
Not to much, not to little.
It will look very nice in the all RED boat.
I think that we should have some Dyno results by Friday.
Pretty sweet looking package I couldnt be happier.
Alright Guys, who is next. Gotta keep Gary busy. Idle hands are the devils playground.....I am sure he has somemore tricks up his sleeve.
Cant wait to drive it... This is killing me.
what are the temps like out in CA/AZ during DEC. And JAN ?
Gonna have to lake test before we come home with it.
Take the training wheels off per se.
Beer-30
12-07-2005, 10:50 AM
Cant wait to drive it... This is killing me.
what are the temps like out in CA/AZ during DEC. And JAN ?
Gonna have to lake test before we come home with it.
Take the training wheels off per se.
Enjoy:
http://www.desertusa.com/riverinfo/c_river.html
Wow,
Every time I look I see something different.
I think Gary Hit a home run. Just a hint of red and polished equipment.
Not to much, not to little.
It will look very nice in the all RED boat.
I think that we should have some Dyno results by Friday.
Pretty sweet looking package I couldnt be happier.
Alright Guys, who is next. Gotta keep Gary busy. Idle hands are the devils playground.....I am sure he has somemore tricks up his sleeve.
Cant wait to drive it... This is killing me.
what are the temps like out in CA/AZ during DEC. And JAN ?
Gonna have to lake test before we come home with it.
Take the training wheels off per se.
Michael,
I am buried through Spring. If I want to enjoy the 06 Summer at the lake I will need to slow this down a bit, and thats what I am going to do. This is supposed to be enjoyable, and while it still is, I am going to do fewer motors to keep the QA at the top and to keep my "life" in check. I will be in touch, setting your BW up for a nice and easy 900+HP. You will love it!
Essex502
12-08-2005, 06:31 PM
Nice work Gary. Sweet motors. I wish my wife liked to go fast. Buying one of those beauties would cost me twice as much...for all the diamonds I'd have to buy her! :D
I am really happy with both of them. I am eager to get them in the boats and get these guys running. They have waited a long time.
These are for my old buddy JR! Hey JR, how about a "Blue Widow"?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr1mm.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr2mm.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr3mm.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jcjcm.JPG
For inquiring minds, The "Black Widow" just came of of the dyno:
937.3 HP @ 6000 rpm
930 Ft/lbs Torque @ 4100 rpm
The new Whipple 200AX is running 5.80 lbs of boost.
Everything else is top secret. :) Enjoy..........................
Beer-30
12-11-2005, 10:46 AM
Good job. I guess you should knock off a 1/2 lb of boost or so. You promised 900HP, not 930! :)
A ? for you. I was going to inquire with Whipple about it, but I'll ax you first: Do I see the blower gears being pressure fed oil, at least on the polished motor? I always wondered why Whipple insisted on having it closed / changed sep. from the engine oil. Seems like the gears/bearings would like oil running across them, instead of just a sump. Curious.
You have a good eye. I was running some temp tests with the closed set up on the black motor. I never saw the Whipple get over 130 degrees. The open "pressure fed system is better, and the black one will have that as well before it goes in the boat. As far as the 930, thats funny. We actually saw over 952, but the motor is the happiest right where it is. I would bet a guy could run 100 octane and about 7.5 lbs of boost and make easily over 1000 hp and not have any trouble.
Beer-30
12-11-2005, 02:21 PM
You have a good eye. I was running some temp tests with the closed set up on the black motor. I never saw the Whipple get over 130 degrees. The open "pressure fed system is better, and the black one will have that as well before it goes in the boat. As far as the 930, thats funny. We actually saw over 952, but the motor is the happiest right where it is. I would bet a guy could run 100 octane and about 7.5 lbs of boost and make easily over 1000 hp and not have any trouble.
Nice. I always felt that pressure feeding the oil to the blower would always ensure good oil to the gears. Not everyone changes oil in the blowers like they should. I had a whipple on a 350 and, in a pickup, it's not that easy to get in there and drain / change it. I had never seen it on a Whipple and wondered if there was something in the gearcase that prohibited it. Now, I guess not. You gonna be able to plumb that valve cover without scratching it? Hee hee.
Edit:
OOh., and I bet that feed line comes from an extra port on the remote filter, fresh filtered oil to the gears. Nice.
Brian
12-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Very nice numbers on such modest boost, and your detail work is beautiful to be sure. Should be an outstanding combo all around. Have you considered a screen filter of some sort on the return line from the blower, just in case a bearing or gear has trouble? I am planning on running one on the blower setup I'm putting together and am curious what your thoughts are.
Thanks,
-Brian
I am not a big overkill guy. Yes, you have a valid point about broken parts going into the motor, but it does not worry me.
Also, I already have the vc drilled out, with the fitting in place= no scratches. :rollside: In fact, if you look at the last pic, you can see it capped off with a blue cap.
dr. margarita
12-12-2005, 02:02 PM
All I can say is wow!! Gary, your work continues to evolve and this success couldn't happen to a nicer guy! Merry Christmas to you and your family!! Will you have a booth at the Boat Show in 2006? Tom
INSman
12-12-2005, 02:23 PM
Gary
Is this Black Widow different somehow from the other 900's you have or will build other than the new Whipple product ??
No more advertising or promotions for me(no booth in LA). I have enough to do for a long time. I have got to keep this fun/interesting.
The "Black Widow" is a cosmetic option. It utilizes the same parts as my polished 900. I can do the "Black Widow" with any of my motors, it just takes time and a careful hand. It looks nice with the polished CMI's. Regarding superchargers, I am exclusive to Whipple. They are the only brand I will use. These new 200AX's are very nice.
INSman
12-13-2005, 08:21 AM
No more advertising or promotions for me(no booth in LA). I have enough to do for a long time. I have got to keep this fun/interesting.
The "Black Widow" is a cosmetic option. It utilizes the same parts as my polished 900. I can do the "Black Widow" with any of my motors, it just takes time and a careful hand. It looks nice with the polished CMI's. Regarding superchargers, I am exclusive to Whipple. They are the only brand I will use. These new 200AX's are very nice.
So, are the prices of the (2) motors virtually the same ??
Negative...........................The black widow is almost $1K more.
FASTERDAMITT
12-13-2005, 10:56 PM
Negative...........................The black widow is almost $1K more.
So... when did paint become more $$ than polishing? Great marketing concept.
FYI, There are quite a few parts polished under the gloss black powder coat and there is polished and anodized black hardware. There was a ton of time especially put into the valve covers. Then imagine how careful you would have to be to not scratch anything while you assemble it. One ding in that valve cover, and it's coming off and getting re-done. One wrong rag swipe and you got a scratch. So to answer your question: Its more expensive when you polish AND powder coat and anodize. In fact, after doing this one, I will probably charge more next time. No marketing concepts, just trying to make extra nice motors for the handful of people that are looking for something a little different.
FASTERDAMITT
12-14-2005, 08:46 AM
And that you do. Beautiful engines. Thanks for clarifying that for us curious minds.
Beer-30
12-20-2005, 10:42 AM
I'm kind-of surprised to see you running CMIs instead of longer-runner Lightnings. Not that you need to make anymore torque, but I just figure you for a full-length header guy.
Not that CMIs aren't excellent. I wonder if there would even be a HP difference between the two.
clearfork
12-21-2005, 08:59 AM
Hey B 30,
I think that it is an issue of clearance to the transom.
If you look at the bend that the tails are going to make if it the were any longer, they probably would be restrictive because of the large bend it would have to make to get the exhaust out the back.
I think the Lightnings are longer to the collector area, right?
Only a guess.
We will have to ask Gary.
Beer-30
12-21-2005, 10:35 AM
Hey B 30,
I think that it is an issue of clearance to the transom.
If you look at the bend that the tails are going to make if it the were any longer, they probably would be restrictive because of the large bend it would have to make to get the exhaust out the back.
I think the Lightnings are longer to the collector area, right?
Only a guess.
We will have to ask Gary.
That makes sense. Yes, the collector does appear longer. Once again, I doubt there is any noticeable difference between the two - power wise.
I never thought about clearance. I have about 18" of straight hose between the outlet of the riser and the inlet of the tip. Not every transom is the same, though.
Per the request of some of my fellow "***boaters", here are some more pics of the polished TPI 900 efi and Whipple 200AX Blower.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383Picture_008m.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383Picture_014m.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383Picture_002m.jpg
Beer-30
12-24-2005, 12:37 PM
Aw, just a 502 crate motor with some fancy heads.
LOL.
A ???: Where do you tap for oil to the blower? I am going to take a stab - one of the unused ports on the oil filter?
Good stab! Merry Christmas.
INSman
12-24-2005, 04:06 PM
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383Picture_002m.jpg
Damn that is sweet Gary and AWEFULLY nice for you to deliver to my door for Chrismas !!!! :D
INSman
12-24-2005, 04:08 PM
Per the request of some of my fellow "***boaters", here are some more pics of the polished TPI 900 efi and Whipple 200AX Blower.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383Picture_008m.jpg
Hey Gary, (2) of those in the new 32'or 34' Bullet are gonna' be nice !!!!
FASTERDAMITT
12-24-2005, 07:17 PM
Gary, you're such a tease! You should make a GT TPI900 tree ornament! It would look great on the tree, wouldn't it? Merry Christmas!
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