Haulmark Motor Garage

[tcook33]

2006 33' Haulmark Motor Garage Model 333MG
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these....Any last minute information I should know before not being able to erase my signature? Here is a list of the options.
CL120 515 HP Freedom Tandem Axle
12 Speed Automatic
23.5' Living Quarters
9.5' Garage with CUSTOM cabinets/storage
Super Slideout w/ awning
Automatic 4-Leg hydraulic leveling system
20' weather pro awning
Outside fridge on slide tray
1600# Hydaulic lift gate
40 gallon LPG tank
Gas grill on outside slide tray
Hide a bed sofa
Magellan Nav
Satellite dish w/ receiver
8 KW Onan Generator
2000 Watt Inverter
21" LCD TV in master
Microwave
LP Stove/Oven
Merlot Int. Decor
How much should I be paying for one of these? Any help would be cool. Wednesday is the big day to sign.....

[al cole'holic]

...no you're not :p

[OCMerrill]

I have zero experience in "Toterhomes" but from what I have read (we own a large basement "Class C") on Woodalls.com in their fourm section a few coments that stand out are based on having the garage or not.
They will pull 30 to 40k in weight with ease. Some regret the garage as it cuts down the space and most end up pulling a big trailer anyway. I am sure that you have considered that and I know that is not what you asked.
Try this link. A few regulars have Toters and maybe you could get some $$ info. Problem here is this rig (very cool by the way) is not your everyday deal.
The thing I like (unlike mine) is they are in no way disposable. You will see outstanding performance out of that engine with mpg figures that are in the 10's.
Try this and search it.
www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings/forum/23/days/14/srt/lr/sub/-/page/1.cfm
Post a pic when you get it. Wave at me as you pass me on the Indio grade going as fast as you want!

[tcook33]

...no you're not :p
I think so.......... :cry: :rollside:

[tcook33]

I have zero experience in "Toterhomes" but from what I have read (we own a large basement "Class C") on Woodalls.com in their fourm section a few coments that stand out are based on having the garage or not.
They will pull 30 to 40k in weight with ease. Some regret the garage as it cuts down the space and most end up pulling a big trailer anyway. I am sure that you have considered that and I know that is not what you asked.
Try this link. A few regulars have Toters and maybe you could get some $$ info. Problem here is this rig (very cool by the way) is not your everyday deal.
The thing I like (unlike mine) is they are in no way disposable. You will see outstanding performance out of that engine with mpg figures that are in the 10's.
Try this and search it.
www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings/forum/23/days/14/srt/lr/sub/-/page/1.cfm
Post a pic when you get it. Wave at me as you pass me on the Indio grade going as fast as you want!
It's not a toter. Here is the exact one right here...
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/tcook303/860-1141075377615.jpg
It's GCWR is 80K pounds.
I have a 35' Bounder right now and I'm over the poor quality and having to tow the trailer everytime I decide to take the bikes somewhere. I want something REALLY nice that fits into my hobbies. This is perfect for going to the races, Glamis/Pismo, or even going to the track on the weekend for a day of practice. And I can drive in the fast lane. I have a 24 enclosed trailer if I ever decide to buy a rail, then I can pull the trailer on the sand trips.
It's selling for 215K. I wanted to make sure I was getting a decent deal and if I ever had to sell it, I wouldn't have to dig too deep. I know it's inevitable that when you buy new it's gonna happen, but I would obviously want to minimize that.
Thanks for the help.

[OCMerrill]

Nice. Fleetwood with quality issues? never herd of it before j/k!
I use toter loosely. In my book any motor home that can tow (in your case...allot, 5th wheel pad or not) over 10k would be a toter but Yes nice "Class C (because of the overhead)" rig. Far better rig than any pusher in my book and it will last forever. The resale is stronger than most because of things it will do. Plus you can get service at or near any truck stop.
515 hp would be a Detroit Series 60, which is a huge 6cyl with the best fuel economy in the business. The 12spd auto is a Mertior and bullet proof.
Over the road trucks made into motor homes (new or used) can't be beat.
I copied your post and asked your question on the forum I mentioned above.
I will edit and post the link. You can follow up and read the replies. Price point right?
Edit - Here ya go!
http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/17876402/gotomsg/17876402/p/1.cfm#17876402

[al cole'holic]

..dude, you're gay!! :D

[tcook33]

Nice. Fleetwood with quality issues? never herd of it before j/k!
I use toter loosely. In my book any motor home that can tow (in your case...allot, 5th wheel pad or not) over 10k would be a toter but Yes nice "Class C (because of the overhead)" rig. Far better rig than any pusher in my book and it will last forever. The resale is stronger than most because of things it will do. Plus you can get service at or near any truck stop.
515 hp would be a Detroit Series 60, which is a huge 6cyl with the best fuel economy in the business. The 12spd auto is a Mertior and bullet proof.
Over the road trucks made into motor homes (new or used) can't be beat.
I copied your post and asked your question on the forum I mentioned above.
I will edit and post the link. You can follow up and read the replies. Price point right?
Edit - Here ya go!
http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/17876402/gotomsg/17876402/p/1.cfm#17876402
Dude, you're the man. Thanks for the help over there.
I just looked and no replies yet......
I am really happy with the motor/trans/chasis package.
I have just heard some negative things about Haulmark that I need to research. Some people say Renegade is the only way to go......

[tcook33]

..dude, you're gay!! :D
You are..... :cool:

[sdpm]

Look in here.
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/13/Towing

[OCMerrill]

No big deal. Fun to help - Dig motor homes and I have been a member over there for years. We have a 31' Basement C on an E-450 chassis with no slide so I can get the GCWR up. We tow just at 5.5k. Finding Motor homes that can tow is difficult and I had the rear frame section on our rig beefed up to ensure I would not hurt the fiberglass.
Now the Chev. Kodiak chassis us finding its way under some "C" boxes with Endura by Gulf Stream making a 1/2 garage model. Problem here is marginal GVWR / GCWR for the money and max power is the Duramax. A little more $$ and this is where you stand. 10x the truck chassis.
I am sure most are out over the big weekends. By the time they chime in you may have already signed.
Search your brand over there and read on. Also Renegade will add $$$ I am pretty sure.
Like ***boat for the river and custom boats - Woodall’s is for the RV.
Good Sam forum
RV.net forum
Both go to the Woodall’s site and all three are integrated.

[djunkie]

It's not a toter. Here is the exact one right here...
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/tcook303/860-1141075377615.jpg
It's GCWR is 80K pounds.
I have a 35' Bounder right now and I'm over the poor quality and having to tow the trailer everytime I decide to take the bikes somewhere. I want something REALLY nice that fits into my hobbies. This is perfect for going to the races, Glamis/Pismo, or even going to the track on the weekend for a day of practice. And I can drive in the fast lane. I have a 24 enclosed trailer if I ever decide to buy a rail, then I can pull the trailer on the sand trips.
It's selling for 215K. I wanted to make sure I was getting a decent deal and if I ever had to sell it, I wouldn't have to dig too deep. I know it's inevitable that when you buy new it's gonna happen, but I would obviously want to minimize that.
Thanks for the help.
Thats a nice looking ride but I'd be looking into what license may be needed to drive it. And I'm pretty sure that anything with more than 2 axles is still restricted to the 2 right lanes. Its been a while since I took the commercial truck tests though so I may be wrong.

[OCMerrill]

In the state of CA drivers of RV's dont need squat as far as license requirements. Scary when you see that 90 year old man rollin a 30,000 lb pusher down the road floating all the lanes.
As long as its under 42' and the weight limit is a grey area also. Up to 45 feet OK whithin certain highways and freeways. I have found this info on the dmv.ca.gov website many times. They are kind of unregulated. You can overload an RV to the point where its very dangerous and...so what unless one has an accident. Then the Lawyers will find the fault in it.
Babies don't legally need car-seats, seat belts aside from the passenger and driver (if so orig. equiped need to be worn) are not required either.
Doesn't mean its the right thing to do but same thing as a Greyhound bus. Tripple axle in the fast lane doing (lets just say always speeding)
Commercial trucks on the other hand (and I have several for my business) Oh man...don't get me started. Way different ball game.

[djunkie]

In the state of CA drivers of RV's dont need squat as far as license requirements. Scary when you see that 90 year old man rollin a 30,000 lb pusher down the road floating all the lanes.
As long as its under 42' and the weight limit is a grey area also. Up to 45 feet OK whithin certain highways and freeways. I have found this info on the dmv.ca.gov website many times. They are kind of unregulated. You can overload an RV to the point where its very dangerous and...so what unless one has an accident. Then the Lawyers will find the fault in it.
Babies don't legally need car-seats, seat belts aside from the passenger and driver (if so orig. equiped need to be worn) are not required either.
Doesn't mean its the right thing to do but same thing as a Greyhound bus. Tripple axle in the fast lane doing (lets just say always speeding)
Commercial trucks on the other hand (and I have several for my business) Oh man...don't get me started. Way different ball game.
I thought that busses were exempt form the 3 axle rule but applied to everyone else.

[tcook33]

In the state of CA drivers of RV's dont need squat as far as license requirements. Scary when you see that 90 year old man rollin a 30,000 lb pusher down the road floating all the lanes.
As long as its under 42' and the weight limit is a grey area also. Up to 45 feet OK whithin certain highways and freeways. I have found this info on the dmv.ca.gov website many times. They are kind of unregulated. You can overload an RV to the point where its very dangerous and...so what unless one has an accident. Then the Lawyers will find the fault in it.
Babies don't legally need car-seats, seat belts aside from the passenger and driver (if so orig. equiped need to be worn) are not required either.
Doesn't mean its the right thing to do but same thing as a Greyhound bus. Tripple axle in the fast lane doing (lets just say always speeding)
Commercial trucks on the other hand (and I have several for my business) Oh man...don't get me started. Way different ball game.
This one is 45' long.
I have been researching what licenses I would need to drive this. I have also heard that you need a license to operate a vehicle with air brakes....

[OCMerrill]

I poked around a bit - Djunke brings up a good point about the Triple axle.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2.htm
Non commercial endorsements require a doctors OK on a form but I am not sure what else. All my boxtrucks are well under the 26k limit but a 2axle motorhome has No Limit.
The triple axle thing is very vague and as written here makes no sense to me.
Then again its the DMV.

[tcook33]

Yeah....exactly. You read 75 pages of laws and regulations, and by the time you're done you can't figure out what they are trying to say.......I need to make a trip to the DMV and speak to a "specialist".......if they exist.

[OCMerrill]

Yeah....exactly. You read 75 pages of laws and regulations, and by the time you're done you can't figure out what they are trying to say.......I need to make a trip to the DMV and speak to a "specialist".......if they exist.
Just maybe they do exist. In every language but ENGLISH!
I think its written vague so they can keep their options open. I should have done that with my wedding vows.
Only one thing worse than the dmv and thats the EDD. Thay may even be the same employees.
I will check in on the Woodalls thing later.

[acatitude]

well hope your right but over 2 axles is restricted 2 the right 2 lanes unless theyve changed something, weight is not the factor its the axles.

[tcook33]

Just keeping this up top for anyone that might have more info for me......

[tcook33]

Edit - Here ya go!
http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/17876402/gotomsg/17876402/p/1.cfm#17876402
Hey, I saw the response from that other guy.
The MSRP on it is 270K. So that would be about 55K off. Seems like maybe they could go down another 5K- 10K considering it's sitting on the lot and it's an 06.

[al cole'holic]

...what up focker, I gots the GMC with me if you wanna test drive :)

[OCMerrill]

Glad you got some info out of it. I will jump on and thank him.
It seems like a pretty fair price to me considering what it is. The Chassis alone has to be $80-100k of it anyway.
Hopefully more will chime in.
Let us know what the rules to drive this thing are after you get them clarified.
Dave

[tcook33]

...what up focker, I gots the GMC with me if you wanna test drive :)
GMC what? Truck, Yukon, Denali?
What's the deal with Albright Bikes? No more Liberator?

[tcook33]

Glad you got some info out of it. I will jump on and thank him.
It seems like a pretty fair price to me considering what it is. The Chassis alone has to be $80-100k of it anyway.
Hopefully more will chime in.
Let us know what the rules to drive this thing are after you get them clarified.
Dave
I will for sure. Thanks for the help.

[jbtrailerjim]

Thats a nice looking ride but I'd be looking into what license may be needed to drive it. And I'm pretty sure that anything with more than 2 axles is still restricted to the 2 right lanes. Its been a while since I took the commercial truck tests though so I may be wrong.
If that coach has air brakes, you will at least have to have a class "B" license to drive it. My guess since it is sitting on Freightliner Columbia chassis, it has air brakes on it. No big deal. It's just a written test.

[tcook33]

If that coach has air brakes, you will at least have to have a class "B" license to drive it. My guess since it is sitting on Freightliner Columbia chassis, it has air brakes on it. No big deal. It's just a written test.
Yeah, it has airbrakes. Thanks for the info. I was told by a friend that I needed a license for airbrakes, but I wasn't 100% sure.

[al cole'holic]

GMC what? Truck, Yukon, Denali?
What's the deal with Albright Bikes? No more Liberator?
...the diesel pig if you wanted to check it out...Albright Bikes is the new school! :)

[al cole'holic]

Yeah, it has airbrakes. Thanks for the info. I was told by a friend that I needed a license for airbrakes, but I wasn't 100% sure.
...you're gonna go down and get different licenses for that focking gay thingy..??..when did you start an mx team?? :yuk: :D

[tcook33]

...you're gonna go down and get different licenses for that focking gay thingy..??..when did you start an mx team?? :yuk: :D
Gay Thingy? That's the baddest machine that you'll ever even think about handling.
Ha. For all your useless trips you make to Colorado to fix those piles, you should probably look into one also.
I don't need an MX team to own one. I have a dirt bike and a kid. As soon as I have an extra mil to donate to a team so the government won't get it, then I'll start an MX team.
For now, I'll buy it cause I can. :p

[al cole'holic]

Gay Thingy? That's the baddest machine that you'll ever even think about handling.
Ha. For all your useless trips you make to Colorado to fix those piles, you should probably look into one also.
I don't need an MX team to own one. I have a dirt bike and a kid. As soon as I have an extra mil to donate to a team so the government won't get it, then I'll start an MX team.
For now, I'll buy it cause I can. :p
...I'll give you that, this is the baddest machine you have ever KICKED THE TIRES of to date!!
I would look retarded pulling up somewhere in that with 1 dirt bike and 1 pw50...maybe you won't.. :D :D

[tcook33]

I would look retarded pulling up somewhere in that with 1 dirt bike and 1 pw50...maybe you won't.. :D :D
HAHAHA. Good one. You forgot about the rail I'll be towing in my trailer behind it.
I don't care what's in the back of that thing (a sack of potatoes for all I care), it'll look badazz no matter what. It's all about comfort, quality, and reliabilty at this point in my life. I'm over the Fleetwood rattle boxes.
Plus, when I pull up to the races, I'll be in the heads of all the 16 year olds thinkin I'm factory and sh*t.
You'll look retarded no matter what you pull up in......:cool: :p

[tcook33]

Just putting this back up top for all the big ballers with high dollar rigs that were using them for the weekend. :) Any last words of advice?........
Also, I spoke with CHP and anything used "recreationally" does not demand a special license. Air brakes or not. Tandem axle or not. 45' or more. Doesn't matter. The kicker is TOWING. You can tow up to 10K pounds without any special license. Anything over 10K pounds becomes an issue. You would need a B "non commercial" with a supplemental air brake license....