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Kilrtoy

07-01-2006, 10:54 PM

Big DOUG front row
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02673.JPG
This guy rammed his trailer then got sideways and naild his drive and prop into his trailer
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG
I guess $1,500 bucks was too much of an upgrade for the 4X4
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02678.JPG
I guess these guy thought they were at the Circle track Launch ramp
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02679.JPG
This guy should be called SPORTIN WOOD
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02680.JPG
This lady jacked knifed and keep pushing the trailer down. I was slow on the camera here
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02681.JPG

Cole Sanger

07-01-2006, 11:19 PM

What was with Sportin Wood? Wrong trailer for the boat?

OCMerrill

07-01-2006, 11:20 PM

Almost need bleachers for those folks watching.
Tahoe is a step down from a Bayliner. So might be the owner.

BajaMike

07-02-2006, 12:23 AM

Yea, it's usually not best to "back" the boat onto the trailer......
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG
WTF??
:idea:

Cole Sanger

07-02-2006, 12:57 AM

I wish that backing a boat onto the trailer was an option sometimes when the wind picks up. Sure would come in handy.

msc5195

07-02-2006, 01:31 AM

Yea, it's usually not best to "back" the boat onto the trailer......
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG
WTF??
:idea:
Looks like KILR in the bow of the TAHOE.

djunkie

07-02-2006, 01:59 AM

I think the title of this thread should start with "You might be a redneck" by the looks of this picture. :crossx:
I'm gonna have to go down and watch the festivities some time. :rollside: :rollside:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02673.JPG

Hardly Satisfied

07-02-2006, 02:13 AM

Nice pics KILR Thanks

shueman

07-02-2006, 04:37 AM

Sat. Night Follies at it's finest.... :wink: Thanks for sharing....

Garrddogg

07-02-2006, 05:10 AM

Those are great pics Kilr thanks for takin the time to share them..

Tequila-John

07-02-2006, 05:31 AM

SO people just sit there all day an dwatch the action? That is so cool.

JetBoatRich

07-02-2006, 05:42 AM

You can find out who cracks under pressure :rolleyes: with the crowds that show up there :rolleyes:
Nice Shots :cool: Kilrtoy

Sane Asylum

07-02-2006, 05:43 AM

Kilr........Great pics......This is kindof like the show at the 10 ramp at Pleasant except the folks there use the judges 0-10 scorecards. It's funny as chit.....

THOR

07-02-2006, 06:21 AM

Kilr,
do any of the boat retrievers ever go after a heckler? I can see that happening quite often.

Parker Dreamin

07-02-2006, 06:27 AM

wow..

rerfert

07-02-2006, 06:50 AM

What was with Sportin Wood? Wrong trailer for the boat?
Looks to me like he wasn't backed in far enough(2wd?)
Anyone ever tell you to just cover the front fender with water (loading or unloading??) works great for me.

fat rat

07-02-2006, 06:53 AM

Must be WC thing! :crossx:

KLEPTOW

07-02-2006, 07:21 AM

Kilr,
do any of the boat retrievers ever go after a heckler? I can see that happening quite often.
Couple of years ago a local guided
some guy down the ramp right on to a rock,
The guy was out here from the east coast with
a full dress skater twin sterrlings 6 drives.
When the local started laughing about it the fight was on.

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 07:30 AM

6 Dollar Boat

07-02-2006, 07:48 AM

Kilr, before you go picking on rookie boaters, maybe you should learn how to resize a pic....jeez 20,000 posts and your pics fill up 2 pages....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
:rollside:

raff

07-02-2006, 08:04 AM

What a bunch of pear shaped losers. That right there is what is wrong with this country. Bunch of low lifes sitting around waiting for someone to mess up, instead of lending a helping hand. Karma bitch's, will get you..............
probably the same bunch of focker's that drive like assholes on the lake,beacause they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves..............
Flame on, but you know I am right
What's wrong with this country is any boat manufacturer will sell a boat to anyone, whether they know what they're doing or not. I see some people in that photo who would lend a hand to anyone, that is just site 6, when you see some guy in his boat trying to load with a beer in his hand, do you think he really deserves any help????
I think most people know when they launch/load at site 6 you know what they're in for.
I've been there, and with regards to the karma thing, when I leave, I make sure that I will help someone ie stand on the tongue and get their truck out for them, or give them advice.
Mark out

crowning around

07-02-2006, 08:06 AM

What a bunch of pear shaped losers. That right there is what is wrong with this country. Bunch of low lifes sitting around waiting for someone to mess up, instead of lending a helping hand. Karma bitch's, will get you..............
probably the same bunch of focker's that drive like assholes on the lake,beacause they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves..............
Flame on, but you know I am right
I agree, I have been graded on this ramp before. (Nothing lower than a seven). My 14 year old son was helping me at the time and I give him a ten for effort. I have helped alot of people on this ramp and others in the past because I'v been there before.
Wife is new to backing the trailor, son is new to guiding the boat, cars, boats alcohol, attitudes, this shit ain't funny. Get off your lazy asses and help a brotha out. Fricken' low lifes!

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 08:09 AM

LMAO! Great pictures, makes for awesome entertainment.
See ya tonight there!

AZmike

07-02-2006, 08:15 AM

It's amazing how many idiots use the same launch ramp.. :confused:

JetBoatRich

07-02-2006, 08:38 AM

It is a tough crowd,but practice makes perfect (or almost) :)
I only used that ramp once :rolleyes: we pulled up to put the boat away and I could not believe the amount of people there to just watch :yuk: luckily we were on the trailer and out with no issues :rolleyes:

Kilrtoy

07-02-2006, 08:42 AM

Looks like KILR in the bow of the TAHOE.
It kinda does look like me...

Kilrtoy

07-02-2006, 08:46 AM

What a bunch of pear shaped losers. That right there is what is wrong with this country. Bunch of low lifes sitting around waiting for someone to mess up, instead of lending a helping hand. Karma bitch's, will get you..............
probably the same bunch of focker's that drive like assholes on the lake,beacause they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves..............
Flame on, but you know I am right
I,m a loser.
BUT, what you dont realize is that almost all those people get in and help everyonme and alot of the cheap people who dont spend the extra 10 bucks a month for 4x4, would still be sitting there.
As far as you being right, until you come out yourself, oh wait that is is you on the free ramp and using a 2 wheel drive....
RELAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx

Phat Matt

07-02-2006, 08:59 AM

I,m a loser.
I should put this in my sig. :D

HocusPocus

07-02-2006, 09:03 AM

we use site 6 all the time, never had a problem there but thats on the weekdays. if im in havasu on a weekend i will sometimes run over to site six and watch the weekend madness for a little bit.
thanks for the pics. :)

Kilrtoy

07-02-2006, 09:03 AM

I should put this in my sig. :D
this loser will see u in a little bit...

Phat Matt

07-02-2006, 09:08 AM

this loser will see u in a little bit...
When are you launching?

Jrocket

07-02-2006, 09:22 AM

BUT, what you dont realize is that almost all those people get in and help
Yeah right,take a better look at that picture.Theres maybe and I say MAYBE 4-5 people in that pic that would get off their lazy fat nothing better to do than sit in 100+deg heat and laugh at others while not being able to any better themselves ass's to give a guy some help.Why are they there in the first place?I dont see any reason to hang out in that kind of heat just too watch good and bad boaters launch their boats,you can see enough morons anytime and anywhere in this world.Theres no need to hang out like a group of morons just to get some laughs out of it.Get a life people.

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 09:44 AM

Ya that's me and the wife sitting there watching :)
We have nothing better to do in Havasu :cry:
Im told The city had bleachers up there about 10 years ago to watch all the action.
Im always helping people out, it's what i do !!! but when some people roll in and say "how is that for being drunk" out loud and slurring his or her words, #1 it pisses me off they are operating a vessel under these conditions and i refuse to help someone in these conditions if he can't even help himself, if there are kids on the boat and mommy and daddy are drunk then i will offer my help so the kids aren't jeopardized to an accident ie. running boat slamming into trailer and sometimes overshoot the trailer and on into his own truck or someone elses for that matter !!! there are many stories here.
I think you would be surprised on the # of boaters who are drunk coming in and the # of boaters who flat out don't know what the're doing, expecting the wife, girlfriend or friend to help and they don'y know what to do because they weren't informed ahead of time, that is the problem with this country, common sense and communication goes a long way when boating, especially when there is always variables and or mishaps.
Sometimes you offer help and the idiot says "we don't need your f'en help" ok then !! we will watch you screw up your boat and trailer then. :)
This is cheap entertainment at it's finest folks, for sure !!!!

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 09:51 AM

JR, you sound a lit pissy today !!!! 100deg heat ? oh ya this is Havasu.
Someone is always there to offer help but some of these dingleberrys refuse it cause they think they have under control ?........not !!!
Plus we are waiting there for the casino tour boat to come pic us up, so while we wait, there is a little action to amuse us for the time being, that's all.
No harm no foul. :)

Jrocket

07-02-2006, 10:05 AM

BD,not any pissier today then any other day.I have you in the 4-5 people that would help,but if you look at the pic you can clearly see alot of people that couldnt help themselves up after tripping over their own feet,let alone help some boater that needs it.
Yes I can imagine how many come in drunk and with kids in the boat.The worlds full of these selfish pricks.Those people need a call to the authoritys more then help with their boats.Unfortunately it would be a long day of making calls that would fall on deaf ears most of the time.So the problems just pass as what can you do statements.
Next time you see a drunk come in with kids in the boat,hold his head under water for me and send me a bill for the service!

Wet Dream

07-02-2006, 10:26 AM

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There is more than one idiot in the boat. What I see, is some moron attempting to drive the boat. He lost it along time ago, maybe he never had it, but the boat bitch in the bow is no better. The driver wasn't smart enough to shut it down and do it with muscle, and the boat bitch wasn't smart enough to jump in and help.
As for the crowd...sit there and watch and laugh. These dummies aren't injured or in a crisis. F em. I know that if any one of the boaters or trailer dummies had put away enough pride to get out and say "I NEED HELP", you would have more than enough people willing to accomodate. But they'll sit there and fight it and fight it and get more and more pissed off until they pop, and the crowd goes wild. It makes for great entertainment.

phebus

07-02-2006, 10:27 AM

It must be very dissapointing when someone backs right up, pulls right on, and leaves.

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 10:29 AM

Jr, your right about some of the people sitting there, they like to get thier drunk on too !!....it's funny to sit there and see these old people actually get there first, approximate age of the elderly is 50-70 and they are probably the pioneers of this sport (launch ramp follies)
It's always something to watch someone who left their drive down and motor and prop still spinning just to get some damage, you can't even yell to them to stop cause its too loud for them hear, but oh well, they should be thinking a little more about closing that final chapter of "boating" :)

HatenWinter

07-02-2006, 10:33 AM

I think most of us would help the "rookie" or "Husband and wife with boat full of kids" if it was wanted and appreciated, but the drunks.....They deserve whatever misfortune they get! I'd just sit back and laugh my ass off and hope they made home without killing themselves or anyone else.

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 10:35 AM

HW, you nailed it on the head. :)

BIGAMIST

07-02-2006, 10:36 AM

Doug,I thought you told me you slimmed down :rollside:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02673.JPG

RitcheyRch

07-02-2006, 11:09 AM

Definitely put the trailer to far into the water. Cant even see the trailer bunks in this picture.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG

Throttle

07-02-2006, 11:14 AM

That looks like fun...

Hardly Satisfied

07-02-2006, 11:16 AM

HEY Doug you can always pass out your detail cards

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 11:19 AM

I,m a loser.
BUT, what you dont realize is that almost all those people get in and help everyonme and alot of the cheap people who dont spend the extra 10 bucks a month for 4x4, would still be sitting there.
As far as you being right, until you come out yourself, oh wait that is is you on the free ramp and using a 2 wheel drive....
RELAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
I have a 4 wheel drive dually. And I will never launch at site 6. I will spend the extra 100 bucks a year and launch at the south end of the lake, It is only 20 min away . And you are right maybe I just need to relax and have another beer........ :rollside:

djunkie

07-02-2006, 11:21 AM

I have a 4 wheel drive dually. And I will never launch at site 6. I will spend the extra 100 bucks a year and launch at the south end of the lake, It is only 20 min away . And you are right maybe I just need to relax and have another beer........ :rollside:
Don't ever launch at that ramp on the south end. It is terrrible down there. :crossx: :crossx:

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 11:29 AM

Don't ever launch at that ramp on the south end. It is terrrible down there. :crossx: :crossx:
cattail cove? I know lots of people who launch and have no problems down there.........

CBadDad

07-02-2006, 11:32 AM

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 12:17 PM

What a bunch of pear shaped losers. That right there is what is wrong with this country. Bunch of low lifes sitting around waiting for someone to mess up, instead of lending a helping hand. Karma bitch's, will get you..............
probably the same bunch of focker's that drive like assholes on the lake,beacause they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves..............
Flame on, but you know I am right
I couldn't agree anymore with ya bro.
OH PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!! Have either of you been to Havasu on a holiday
weekend? It's NOT exactly a family place. It's a bunch of drunk 20-30
year olds acting like idiots! Since when does one have to justify
his/her entertainment. I'll be there tonight and I'll make sure to get
some more great pics for you both!
Don't be hating on peeps just cause your sitting at home
with your grumpy wives!

HOOTER SLED-

07-02-2006, 12:23 PM

OH PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!! Have either of you been to Havasu on a holiday
weekend? It's NOT exactly a family place. It's a bunch of drunk 20-30
year olds acting like idiots! Since when does one have to justify
his/her entertainment. I'll be there tonight and I'll make sure to get
some more great pics for you both!
Don't be hating on peeps just cause your sitting at home
with your grumpy wives!
Uuuuuummm, why are you not on the water???

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 12:26 PM

Uuuuuummm, why are you not on the water???
HAHAHAHHAA! We live here, we can go out anytime. I'd rather
sit at the ramp and have a laugh or five. :D
(we are going out tomorrow, BUT I guarantee we'll pay the $10
for Winsor or the Marina.)

Havasu Hangin'

07-02-2006, 12:28 PM

I've seen both sides to the story.
Last time that piece of shit ramp screwed up my trailer, and wouldn't let the boat out of the water (with all four tires spinning), I had a few nice people come over and volunteer to stand on my running boards.
I also remember the old days of Site 6. The crowd that gathered made a Nascar crowd look like they actually had alot of teeth...
...and they were waaaaay drunker and more belligerent than any poor souls just trying to get their boats off the water.

HOOTER SLED-

07-02-2006, 12:30 PM

HAHAHAHHAA! We live here, we can go out anytime. I'd rather
sit at the ramp and have a laugh or five. :D
(we are going out tomorrow, BUT I guarantee we'll pay the $10
for Winsor or the Marina.)
Wow. Don't you have the annual pass dealio??? The rest of the clan is out there. :cry: :cry:

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 12:34 PM

Wow. Don't you have the annual pass dealio??? The rest of the clan is out there. :cry: :cry:
Normally we launch out of Crazy Horse. It's easy, quiet, not the
huge long lines. Or the Marina. (our boat is REALLY quiet)
I know, all our friends are out playing too, but it's really nice in
the house right now. :boxed:
We were on the water at 5:30am yesterday. OOOGGGG!

jbone

07-02-2006, 12:37 PM

Looks like he bumped a few things along the way. Or is the rub rail supposed to be in the boat? :p
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG[/QUOTE]

phebus

07-02-2006, 01:11 PM

Looks like he bumped a few things along the way. Or is the rub rail supposed to be in the boat? :p
Doubles as a ski rope :rollside:

Phat Matt

07-02-2006, 01:12 PM

Looks like he bumped a few things along the way. Or is the rub rail supposed to be in the boat? :p
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02674.JPG[/QUOTE]
Good call. :D

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 01:23 PM

Your right about the rub rail, it was off from front to back. :cry:
He couldn't line up and direct his boat onto the trailer, so he kept making circles and attempting to try erverytime, the time your looking at is when his prop got hung up on his trailer or bunk, in the pic you can see im laughing my ass off holding a Dr.pepper (no beer for me)

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 01:27 PM

Jeff, i swear the older and fatter i get, i still look sexy !!! :)
Don't show your girl this pic cause she'll be throwin rocks at you !!! :)

boatsnblondes

07-02-2006, 01:30 PM

Doug,I thought you told me you slimmed down :rollside:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/192DSC02673.JPG
Good for you Doug....laugh at them..this might be thier first boat and they are still getting the hang of it.....laugh good and hard you fat fock. Maybe the two guys on the right in the pic are looking up because someone came back to piss on you and missed....your so perfect?

boatsnblondes

07-02-2006, 01:31 PM

There you have it folks, the difference between those who have boats, and those who don't....

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 01:38 PM

There you have it folks, the difference between those who have boats, and those who don't....
EERRKK! WRONG answer. We have two. Doug has 2. Kilr has 1.
You have??? how many??
And your where on the holiday weekend?

djunkie

07-02-2006, 01:53 PM

cattail cove? I know lots of people who launch and have no problems down there.........
I guess you didn't get the joke. :rolleyes: :rollside:

FLEA DIDDY

07-02-2006, 01:54 PM

Good for you Doug....laugh at them..this might be thier first boat and they are still getting the hang of it.....laugh good and hard you fat fock. Maybe the two guys on the right in the pic are looking up because someone came back to piss on you and missed....your so perfect?He He, I got bags of popcorn for sale 2 for a buck, this is gonna get good. :argue:

FLEA DIDDY

07-02-2006, 01:55 PM

I guess you didn't get the joke. :rolleyes: :rollside:He missed it.

FLEA DIDDY

07-02-2006, 01:56 PM

EERRKK! WRONG answer. We have two. Doug has 2. Kilr has 1.
You have??? how many??
And your where on the holiday weekend?Hey Traci whats shaken? Hot enuff for you in havi? Maybe me and Sabrina we'll see you guys soon.

No Name

07-02-2006, 02:02 PM

I know watching this kind of stuff can be very entertaining. But Im not sure I could just sit there and laugh. Im sure I would be in the water helping some of these poor bastards, but I would still be laughing. :)

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 02:03 PM

I guess you didn't get the joke. :rolleyes: :rollside:
Oh yeah ummmmm I was wrong never ever launch out of the south end of the lake your boat and trailer will be destroyed..................

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 02:05 PM

again I made a mistake only launch at site 6..............

djunkie

07-02-2006, 02:05 PM

Oh yeah ummmmm I was wrong never ever launch out of the south end of the lake your boat and trailer will be destroyed..................
Now your getting it. :rollside:

waterwitch

07-02-2006, 02:07 PM

Hey Traci whats shaken? Hot enuff for you in havi? Maybe me and Sabrina we'll see you guys soon.
Hi ya FLEA. You guys should come down for a weekend.
We'll go out on the boat, bring the kids.
It's flippin HOTT!

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 02:07 PM

Wow, where the hell did this thread go ? your bashing me and others for hanging around a boat launch site ?
Just to let you know, im always helping and often do, ask Killrtoy he saw me in the back of a pick up for added weight (keep your comments about my weight out of this :) )
Plus in that pic, the older guy next to me was telling me about stories and goingons of this said ramp, this has been going on for years, hell iv'e been part of the attraction myself but the difference is i know how to take it easy coming in there nice and slow, oh ya im not drunk either, so i don't worry about what we need to do to be successful at putting a simple boat on a trailer !!! really how hard is that ?
Actually, i worry about the guy next to me who can't back down his trailer and gets sideways coming towards my vehicle, that's when you appreciate someone like us at the ramp to give warning and help, then when the boat gets close enough he isn't paying attention and his boat wonders left to right at the back and hits me or the other person on the other side, this happens quite often.
Like i said earlier, we are waiting for the Casino ferry boat to come and get us :)

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 02:13 PM

I almost forgot........duh !!!
I have 2 boats, a jet boat and a big boat for the big water here in Havi, plus i store customers boats at my house and can use them at anytime too so neener neener.
I just found another way to finally get my post count higher !! :)

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=BigDoug]I almost forgot........duh !!!
I have 2 boats, a jet boat and a big boat for the big water here in Havi,
I have been thinking about doing the same thing. I have a carrera 270 cyclone for mead and I have been looking at some smaller boats for havi/and the river........ That way I dont have to haul that beast all the way to havi.......

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 02:31 PM

VM, now you will have the best of both worlds, go for it !! :)

Sherpa

07-02-2006, 02:41 PM

I love a good boat-ramp show at the end of the day! Nothing like seeing a
happily married couple with kids ready to rip each others heads off due to
retreiving a boat at the end of the day...........
I've never launched at site six.. I have launched at Windsor a dozen times
though........
here on the delta at Orwood there used to be bleachers, and the show was
fantastic!
--Sherpa

BigDoug

07-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Yep, the bleachers should come back to site 6 !! well gotta go get ready for some good action tonight, i'll report back to ya all latter this evening !! :)

BadKachina

07-02-2006, 04:17 PM

The one and only time I launched at site six was on a Fourth of July weekend 2 years ago. I had no idea what I was in store for when we came in to put the boat back on the trailer in the dark. It took about two hours in line to get to the ramp with the truck, my son and I watched Saving Private Ryan while waiting in line. The wife one shotted the boat, I already had the four wheel drive locked in, and we were out in a flash with no hassles. My wife is an expert at putting that thing on the trailer.........She even got an applause from the crowd. :rolleyes: :cool:
With that said, I won't ever use Site 6 again, no way am I waiting two hours to get off the water. I would have been better off having her drop me off and I could have driven to the marina and picked her up.

Biglue

07-02-2006, 04:49 PM

NOTALENT

07-02-2006, 05:25 PM

Hey Kilr...the guy in the bow of the Tahoe kinda looks like a young version of you... :crossx:

vmjtc3

07-02-2006, 05:31 PM

VM, now you will have the best of both worlds, go for it !! :)
I have a deal locked in on a new 24' whacker powered cat deckboat. I am keeping my fingers crossed, hopefully I will make the run back to havi for the third time in four weeks to pick it up................... and no I wount be launching off the cliff (site six).............
Oh yeah I will admit having people hanging out at the ramp comes in handy three weeks ago when we were launching at the south ramp at windsor there were some guys up at the top, they told me when the wheel's were close to the drop off. So I must say thanks to them. But I was also smart enough to listen and wave thanks on the way out............... :rollside:

JetBoatRich

07-02-2006, 05:43 PM

Hey Kilr...the guy in the bow of the Tahoe kinda looks like a young version of you... :crossx:
must be an echo on this thread :)

Kilrtoy

07-02-2006, 06:20 PM

I couldn't agree anymore with ya bro.
Say the facts you agree with anyone other than ME.....
Go grease some tires

boatsnblondes

07-02-2006, 06:28 PM

OK, Doug, I appologize for what I said.....I just thought you guys had nothing better to do than to sit there and feed off others mysery...it looks like maybe there are at least a few good stories to hear, and when we meet, I'll buy the beer, and go down and listen to them all and watch a little...and for those who don't know, I have a Hallett Vector, I can't beat you all, but most of ya I can keep up with.... :)