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Premix Junky
07-23-2006, 11:05 PM
Anyone have it?
A buddy thats into the diesel stuff hard Cummins, 850 HP twin turbo, N02 etc etc 1500 Lbs, says no worries.
Says in Europe they've been running low sulfur fuel for years and the sulfur really has no lubrication properties to speak of.
Is the current fuel going to jack up the new rigs smog crap? Or will they come out with fuel for the new diesels, so as not to harm the smog equipment?
If so, this new fuel would be OK in the 06 and older diesels, right?
He's also been running the B20 and B100 stuff also with no problems. Comments?

UBFJ #454
07-26-2006, 03:52 PM
As of Midnight December 31 this year all new 18 wheeler tractors sold must have '07 Motors (Low Sulphur Engines) in them. These engines require the new low sulphur fuel and oil ... The 'older' higher sulphur fuel & oil will destroy them. Running the new low sulphur fuel in an older engine (pre '07 Model) will destroy them as well.
The new low sulphur fuel is now available at truck stops across the country and the appropriate warnings are posted at the pumps ...

63stevens
07-26-2006, 04:51 PM
Here is an article my son found on another forum where someone emailed Cummins. Interesting
Summary: 66864 New California Fuel
Solution:
Thanks for your Email message.
There are many rumors circulating about the effects of sulfur being in diesel fuel or sulfur being taken out of diesel fuel. Diesel fuel without sulfur is just as good, in all respects except one, when compared with today's fuels with sulfur.
Diesel fuel, in the United States, must meet a lubricity standard. The producers adjust the lubricity before they distribute the fuel. No further additives are needed to ensure proper fuel system lubrication.
The only negative effect of taking sulfur out of fuel is that the fuel becomes more expensive, somewhat negating the inherent cost advantage of running diesel engines when compared to other fuels. As we are certain you know, sulfur doesn't jump out of the fuel on command. It has to be removed using specialized equipment and chemical processes that add to the expense of producing the fuel.
There is an effect on diesel engines from the use of low or no sulfur fuel which we expect to be positive. The blowby gasses that normally pass through the engine crankcase will contain less or none of the chemically reactive sulfur and its compounds. This will tend to keep the engine oil cleaner during operation and allow important engine components like bushings, bearings and piston rings to live longer.
Diesel fuels containing sulfur or no sulfur each have the same specific heat, about 20,000 BTUs per pound. For that reason they give the same amounts of work for the same amount of fuel. That means the fuel economy per gallon will not be affected.
Over the years we have seen fuel economy decrease, somewhat, as diesel engine designs have been modified to meet the lower NOX limits imposed by government. This has been totally unrelated to sulfur in the fuel.
With lower sulfur fuels it is possible that some exhaust after treatment devices (catalytic converters) may be used to better effect, making it possible to further decrease harmful exhaust emissions.
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