the music industry is pissing me off

[a catered life]

even though the price of cd's have been lowered the quality of new music sucks........if you look at the charts there is a crap load of one hit wonders but m ost of the bands, groups, indiv artist have little or no talent......you like the one hit they have and buy the album and its full of crap... :mad: what happend to good music....marvin gaye, old ice cube, bob marly, the police, old van halen, etc.... it seems like we (the customer) are getting cheated.....
whats your opinion?

[PHX ATC]

Don't buy the album, just get the one hit wonders that you (or your kids) like from itunes or walmart.com or some other place. That way, you're only spending $1 versus $15 or so.

[Mrs. Bordsmnj]

Music these days sucks. I am 35 and I listen to KEarth101 becuase I cannot stand the new crap.
BTW, I love old Ice Cube. Now that you mentioned him, I am going to have to listen to him. :rollside:

[voodoomedman]

I can think of a pretty darn good band that I'm waiting for the next album! :idea:

[doesitfloat?]

even though the price of cd's have been lowered the quality of new music sucks........if you look at the charts there is a crap load of one hit wonders but m ost of the bands, groups, indiv artist have little or no talent......you like the one hit they have and buy the album and its full of crap... :mad: what happend to good music....marvin gaye, old ice cube, bob marly, the police, old van halen, etc.... it seems like we (the customer) are getting cheated.....
whats your opinion?
I totally agree...that's why I love my sirius satelite system...I can listen to exactly what I want. But I do feel like I've cut myself off from any exposure to new music (not that there's much out there).
Do you think the quality of todays music has gone down because less people/bands want to bust their asses only to have their music pirated on the internet? Or is it just a cyclical thing where the music just sucks right now?

[NOTALENT]

I dont know what your talking about.....the bands in the music genre I listen to have major talent....every song on there CD's are awesome IMO :crossx: I guess thats why I dont listen to the radio....except oldies and country.... :p

[Dribble]

That's why I download and make my own CD's. I have every thing from Snow Patrol to Guns N Roses to Beyonce on the same disc.

[Itsahobby]

We're turning into our Parents :cry:
But there are still some good bands out there. The problem is you have to really look and spend time listening to music clips.
Hobby

[SHOTKALLIN]

I said the hell with it years ago. I got tired of listening to the same 10 songs over and over and over. I like the classic rock stations and oldie stations. Cant stand to hear I'm in love with a stripper every 10 mins. I also started listening to ALOT of talk radio.

[Wet Dream]

Record companies have removed themselves from the long term relationships the used to carry with bands and artists. Bon Jovi, Aerosmith, The Cars for example. Instead of contracts for 3 albums in 3 years and resigning for another 5 or so, they now contract for one album, and kick them on down the road.

[a catered life]

I said the hell with it years ago. I got tired of listening to the same 10 songs over and over and over. I like the classic rock stations and oldie stations. Cant stand to hear I'm in love with a stripper every 10 mins. I also started listening to ALOT of talk radio.
i also find myself listening to a lot of talk radio....and for the ones who said make your own cd or download the one hot track the band might have doesnt that make your cd sound like a hour long mix from the local radio station.....i made these comments because i felt that the amount of quality bands had decreased and most bands have become studio bands (cant preform live) shit i remember going to see a person like brian mcknight years ago on his first solo album and i knew or had heard 85% of his album and i didnt even own the album at that time....nowaday if you go to a concert many not all of the new groups have 2-3 hit songs and the rest leave you with a bad taste in you mouth and asking your self why the hell did i buy this ticket :yuk:
its a hobby you may be right but but if a group is good why should we have to dig? :p

[JetBoatRich]

We're turning into our Parents :cry:
To much truth to this statement :mad:

[edog_103]

Sirius is the only way to go.

[a catered life]

To much truth to this statement :mad:
some of us may be closer to 12:p

[JetBoatRich]

so are you saying your dad broke a lot of bones :p
Got me :argue: one major difference my dad was able to keep himself out the emergency room, except to take me :rolleyes:

[Ultra5150]

I worked in the industry for 11 years, illegal downlaoding has decimated the entire industry, they did not react and lost an entire generation of music listeners (purchasers). Now they are stuck, they cannot afford to invest time and money (because they dont have as much) into young bands and groom them into the mega star bands that we grew up with. They need to have a hit that makes money right out of the gates or they get dropped for the next flavor of the month. Under this business model, a lot of bands that we listened to as kids would have been dropped after their first album. Another problem is also that conglomerates now own the major labels, and need to show profits, the old music biz guys (who really knew what the hell they were doing) no longer run the show or are even involved.

[HocusPocus]

i have had this talk with my oldest daughter (16). she has all these favorite bands who i know wont stand the test of time. i asked her, when she is my age how many of these "great bands" will still be making music? commercial radio is a joke these days, the playlists are so limited and you hear the same damn songs over and over. even if you happen to hear a song you like, the stations over play it so much your sick of it inside a week.

[doesitfloat?]

I worked in the industry for 11 years, illegal downlaoding has decimated the entire industry, they did not react and lost an entire generation of music listeners (purchasers). Now they are stuck, they cannot afford to invest time and money (because they dont have as much) into young bands and groom them into the mega star bands that we grew up with. They need to have a hit that makes money right out of the gates or they get dropped for the next flavor of the month. Under this business model, a lot of bands that we listened to as kids would have been dropped after their first album. Another problem is also that conglomerates now own the major labels, and need to show profits, the old music biz guys (who really knew what the hell they were doing) no longer run the show or are even involved.
That's what I thought and there's no going back. Today's 10-24 year olds feel a sense of entitlement to their music. If it's available free on the web, it's their RIGHT to burn it for free. Amazing to me that people got pissed at Metallica for fighting Napster.

[edog_103]

I think there is a little more to the music industry loosing out, then just people downloading music. The artist today are terrible. Look at American Idol. It's the number one rated show. You have to be kidding me. Those people have absolutley no talent. They do not write there own music, or come up with an act, and they are going to sign a million dollar contract. It's just crap music.

[Dan Lorenze]

Downloading free music has hurt some artists but not all of them. Great bands with great songs that work hard will prevail and the one hit wonders will blame everything on illegal downloading.

[Howie Feltersnatch]

Man I miss the days when artists played their own instuments and sang live. Not like today. I remember one of the best concerts I ever saw was Milli Vanilli. Those guys were awesome! Their band and vocals were so tight it was like you were listening to the CD.

[a catered life]

Got me :argue: one major difference my dad was able to keep himself out the emergency room, except to take me :rolleyes:
how the hell did you quote that i changed it :cool:

[Sleek316]

Has anyone else looked into the "" Burn Lounge" Its a multi level marketing plan for buying & downloading Music & Videos. I havent been to the meetings in OC but they tell me some high powered people are behind it.
For example maybe you remember a couple of ex Angel ballplayers, Chuck Finley & Mark Langston they are in it.
My friend thinks he is gonna do well in this.
My Son in Law is into it, he likes Avenged Sevenfold and they had their older music on "Burn Lounge" he said he couldn't find elseware

[cyclone]

I definately dont have time to search for new music that doesnt suck.
i am turning into my father and only listening to my old stuff.
i just started listening to talk radio.
i'm starting to feel old. lol
if i could find a machine that would quickly (note i said quickly, my computer takes forever) rip the music off the 600 or so cd's i own so i could convert them into mp3's i'd just make myself some great compilation cd's and say screw the radio and new music altogether.

[SHOTKALLIN]

i remember when you could play a cassette or cd straight through....none of this put it on #12 thats my jam crap. :crossx:

[a catered life]

i remember when you could play a cassette or cd straight through....none of this put it on #12 thats my jam crap. :crossx:
thats what i'm talking about...stuff like the thriller album, prince, moriss day, guns and roses.... there was no need to skip tracks to find a decent song

[Not So Fast]

even though the price of cd's have been lowered the quality of new music sucks........if you look at the charts there is a crap load of one hit wonders but m ost of the bands, groups, indiv artist have little or no talent......you like the one hit they have and buy the album and its full of crap... :mad: what happend to good music....marvin gaye, old ice cube, bob marly, the police, old van halen, etc.... it seems like we (the customer) are getting cheated.....
whats your opinion?
CL, you mentioned Bob Marley so you might like an album I just got turned onto by my oldest son. It by one of Marleys kids (he has like 23 or so), Damian Marley, I beleve its his first, sort of a hip hop reggae beat, its pretty cool. Then there is always Steel Pulse who is GREAT. NSF

[Tom Brown]

...what happend to good music....marvin gaye, old ice cube, bob marly, the police, old van halen, etc.... it seems like we (the customer) are getting cheated.....
I remember when Ice Cube came out. Everyone, particularly the people in their 30s and up, were saying... "Man... this is the shit!"
Of course "the shit" had a different meaning in the 80s.

[a catered life]

CL, you mentioned Bob Marley so you might like an album I just got turned onto by my oldest son. It by one of Marleys kids (he has like 23 or so), Damian Marley, I beleve its his first, sort of a hip hop reggae beat, its pretty cool. Then there is always Steel Pulse who is GREAT. NSF
thanks for the info i will check into it today

[Ultra5150]

Downloading free music has hurt some artists but not all of them. Great bands with great songs that work hard will prevail and the one hit wonders will blame everything on illegal downloading.
Downloading music hurts all artists, but it is the record label that loses out. Artists make their money from touring and merchandising sales. Most artists get paid a large sum up front and then pay it back through record sales until the label recoups the large advance. Bands do not see much money from record sales, believe me. The Mega bands sign big deals with large siging bonuses, but they are reserved for the U2s of the world.
Everybody is hurt because the label has way less money than they used and they have to have hits that America will buy, which is why you have all these Emo bands, Ashley Simpsons and American Idols out there. We have this music shoved down our throat by radio stations that are all owned by Clear Channel. We do not have cool dj's who spin awsome music that they choose, they are given a list and must play music on that list or be fired.
Some people say that everything is blamed on illegal downloading, that's just the fact Jack. I have personally seen one of the largest record labels in the world go from 500 employees here in So Cal to 180 and have witnessed the closing of a plant in Los Angeles that made cd's and dvds with over 600 employees.
At the end of the day, it's really hard to compete with free.
By the way, I'm not a disgruntled ex-employee, I was fortunate enough to leave the music biz for the film biz before the collapse. It just sucks to see an entire industry which gave me so much, crumble.

[Devil's Advocate]

I think we're officially old when we talk about the crap they're playing today :cry:. But, it's true, a lot of it is coming from talentless punks.

[roostwear]

I'm proud of my oldest son (15). He's into Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, etc..... alot of the true pioneers of rock, not the American Idol clones. I see him wearing his Dark Side of the Moon jammies (bottoms only, of course) and I well up with pride..... :D

[SOCALDETAIL1]

I worked in the industry for 11 years, illegal downlaoding has decimated the entire industry, they did not react and lost an entire generation of music listeners (purchasers). Now they are stuck, they cannot afford to invest time and money (because they dont have as much) into young bands and groom them into the mega star bands that we grew up with. They need to have a hit that makes money right out of the gates or they get dropped for the next flavor of the month. Under this business model, a lot of bands that we listened to as kids would have been dropped after their first album. Another problem is also that conglomerates now own the major labels, and need to show profits, the old music biz guys (who really knew what the hell they were doing) no longer run the show or are even involved.
I to worked in the music business for about 11 years and agree with everything said, 10 years ago you had 20 major labels now you have 3 alot of great music came from small indie labels now everything is corporate. CORPORATE AMERICA SUCKS.......

[Tom Brown]

I'm proud of my oldest son (15). He's into Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, etc..... alot of the true pioneers of rock, not the American Idol clones. I see him wearing his Dark Side of the Moon jammies (bottoms only, of course) and I well up with pride..... :D
I'd say it's time to introduce Junior to the wonder that is the Jim Carroll Band.

[CA Stu]

http://www.limewire.com
Thank me later
Thanks
CA Stu
PS Uriah Heep - Gypsy

[SOCALDETAIL1]

Downloading music hurts all artists, but it is the record label that loses out. Artists make their money from touring and merchandising sales. Most artists get paid a large sum up front and then pay it back through record sales until the label recoups the large advance. Bands do not see much money from record sales, believe me. The Mega bands sign big deals with large siging bonuses, but they are reserved for the U2s of the world.
Everybody is hurt because the label has way less money than they used and they have to have hits that America will buy, which is why you have all these Emo bands, Ashley Simpsons and American Idols out there. We have this music shoved down our throat by radio stations that are all owned by Clear Channel. We do not have cool dj's who spin awsome music that they choose, they are given a list and must play music on that list or be fired.
Some people say that everything is blamed on illegal downloading, that's just the fact Jack. I have personally seen one of the largest record labels in the world go from 500 employees here in So Cal to 180 and have witnessed the closing of a plant in Los Angeles that made cd's and dvds with over 600 employees.
At the end of the day, it's really hard to compete with free.
By the way, I'm not a disgruntled ex-employee, I was fortunate enough to leave the music biz for the film biz before the collapse. It just sucks to see an entire industry which gave me so much, crumble.
I worked for Clear Channel they have monopolized the industry, they own artist, radio stations, and concert venues. I can't say more then that.

[Tom Brown]

Uriah Heep - Gypsy
Sign of the Gypsy Queen - April Wine

[voodoomedman]

http://www.limewire.com
Thank me later
Thanks
CA Stu
PS Uriah Heep - Gypsy
You can get some crappy versions from shareware not to mention the legalities. Much easier to pay a buck a pop at Itunes or the like. If you just do it when you are looking for a certain song then it's not much. It's initially or when you don't do it for a while and you download a hundred songs at one time that it sucks.

[CA Stu]

Sign of the Gypsy Queen - April Wine
Fight from the inside -Queen

[centerhill condor]

they're not artist if its all about the money? their merely salesmen for their view of life set to a beat. Its art when you do it for you... its a product/service when you do it for money! I went to see "The Rolling Stones" in memphis and they were great. Sold out the stadium and have the talent to make people happy if only for a while. Now, if I buy a house and sell it do I pay the architect/builder? Heck no 'cause they've made their money on my house and are on to bigger and better. What about that boat in the picture? do you pay the builder after you sell it? well then why should I pay over and over for a song I've already bought? 'cause BMI says so? get a real job! stop makin' a living on stuff you/others did 10 years ago and get over yourself. the sooner the better for you! realize its a product/service and get productive...want more money do a better tour!

[CA Stu]

You can get some crappy versions from shareware not to mention the legalities. Much easier to pay a buck a pop at Itunes or the like. If you just do it when you are looking for a certain song then it's not much. It's initially or when you don't do it for a while and you download a hundred songs at one time that it sucks.
This is a bunch of voodoo bullshit. :)
Who amongst us hasn't recorded tunes off FM way back when?
What's the goddamn difference?

[voodoomedman]

This is a bunch of voodoo bullshit. :)
Who amongst us hasn't recorded tunes off FM way back when?
What's the goddamn difference?
You better stop it or I'll put a hex on you :D

[Tom Brown]

Fight from the inside -Queen
From the Inside - Alice Cooper

[CA Stu]

From the Inside - Alice Cooper
Cold Ethel - Alice Cooper
PS I guarantee every one of these is on Limewire.

[Tom Brown]

We're turning into our Parents :cry:
My response to that is this....
I'm going to fight..... for my right..... to par-ty.

[voodoomedman]

My response to that is this....
I'm going to fight..... for my right..... to par-ty.
You better cuz your mommy just threw away your best porno mag.

[Ultra5150]

they're not artist if its all about the money? their merely salesmen for their view of life set to a beat. Its art when you do it for you... its a product/service when you do it for money! I went to see "The Rolling Stones" in memphis and they were great. Sold out the stadium and have the talent to make people happy if only for a while. Now, if I buy a house and sell it do I pay the architect/builder? Heck no 'cause they've made their money on my house and are on to bigger and better. What about that boat in the picture? do you pay the builder after you sell it? well then why should I pay over and over for a song I've already bought? 'cause BMI says so? get a real job! stop makin' a living on stuff you/others did 10 years ago and get over yourself. the sooner the better for you! realize its a product/service and get productive...want more money do a better tour!
Man! Lighten up Francis.
Like I said, it is hard to compete with free. There will always be some guys out there willing to justify their right to steal music and not be able to use an enter key and or be able to use proper grammar and punctuation while making their witty arguments.
I will not argue with you, enjoy your free music.

[squirt'nmyload]

http://www.limewire.com
Thank me later
Thanks
CA Stu
PS Uriah Heep - Gypsy
thats what i'm sayin.....i havn't bought a cd in atleast 5 years.....limewire and kazaa(when it was totally free)

[doesitfloat?]

they're not artist if its all about the money? their merely salesmen for their view of life set to a beat. Its art when you do it for you... its a product/service when you do it for money! I went to see "The Rolling Stones" in memphis and they were great. Sold out the stadium and have the talent to make people happy if only for a while. Now, if I buy a house and sell it do I pay the architect/builder? Heck no 'cause they've made their money on my house and are on to bigger and better. What about that boat in the picture? do you pay the builder after you sell it? well then why should I pay over and over for a song I've already bought? 'cause BMI says so? get a real job! stop makin' a living on stuff you/others did 10 years ago and get over yourself. the sooner the better for you! realize its a product/service and get productive...want more money do a better tour!
...very confusing...

[Froggystyle]

I guess I disagree with you guys for the most part here, but I understand why you all think this is the case.
The readily available music pretty much blows today, but the music, musicianship and access to truly great music has increased a millionfold in the last ten years.
True, the big three studios are cranking out crap. But it is crap that sells. That is the only way to keep the wheels turning I guess, but the reality is that things are actually getting a lot better.
In the last five years, the digital recording revolution has been upon us. With a laptop and some mics, you can now record at a higher level than our predecessors could with a 48 track full studio. Pro Tools, Adobe Audition, Cakewalk etc... have allowed the artist to express themselves nearly immediately, and straight to CD quality distribution. When I first recorded, which incidentally was nowhere near as long ago as some of the bands you are talking about, the cost of admission to getting your music out there was prohibitive. You needed a label just to pay for proper recording, pressing the record (or tapes at the time) and banging out your music. Then you get into the radio crap and all of that. Bottom line was, short of an A to B tapedeck and miserable quality, you were never getting your stuff out there for a radio to play.
Enter the CD, and more importantly, the CD-R. Digitally, you could now record your music in far more approachable doses, though our first 1,000 CD's still cost us nearly $2 a piece printed. Now you can do it for $.25 each with covers.
Glass-masters... gone. Reel-to-reels... gone. Mixing, double tracking, studio effects... gone gone gone. All automated now through computers. Fact is, last time I recorded to Pro-Tools we put down 11 songs, 36 track quality in 11 hours. Unheard of before this revolution. 18 tracks just for the drum kit.
Overdubs, punching in and out, fixing your screwups, copying and pasting etc... was all done with keystrokes.
The great artists have been set free. You don't need a label any more. You can do it with the borrowed Mac your mom got for Christmas. You don't need studios for replication. The only thing missing is the distribution.
The ability to distribute in stores is still pretty much owned by the studios. They own the arena concerts, they own the T-shirt sales at Wal Mart. The internet is fair game however.
One band that comes to the top of my mind is Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers from Arizona. ( www.azpeacemakers.com ) Roger had a band called "The Refreshments" that got banged up pretty badly in the late nineties by their label. They vowed never again, and when the Peacemakers formed, they did it label free. They have my favorite music being played live today, and do it all the time all over the country. Since they took 100% of the risk, and paid for all of the recording, they make 100% of the profits. They found that playing to 1000 people and taking home all of it is significantly higher paying than playing to 10,000 and taking a small percentage. They make all the T-shirt money, all of the album money etc...
They also have a huge internet following. They have released the last two albums and topped the internet sales charts on Yahoo music and a couple of other sites.
Of course you won't find them at Blockbuster. Or Wal-Mart. But, if you buy those albums you won't regret it. That is what rock and roll is all about.
My Space is huge for new rock talent. My old drummer is playing for a band called "The Rite" here in San Diego. Very, very cool groove though they just got together. Minga ( http://www.mingamusic.com ) is another great talent I have played with and is available online. "Minga" (Kelli) is a great friend of mine and plays some very cool loungy jazzy fusion that we are going to be recording into some downbeat electronic stuff here soon. Neither is available in stores.
"The Abuse", "Mower", "The Accident Experiment", "Lucy's Fur Coat" etc... are all great bands that won't be found in Wal-Mart".
My advice is to go find yourself a grunge bunker, listen for some great music and buy their stuff. There is plenty of amazing stuff out there, you just need to go further than the Billboard charts and Jammin Z 90.

[FMluvswater]

Who amongst us hasn't recorded tunes off FM way back when?
What's the goddamn difference?
pretty much my view also
are they gonna requisition my old homemade mixed from radio cassette tapes and make me pay for each song? Likely not. I don't get why they are acting like getting music other than store bought is a new phenomenon. Radio had paid advertisers and internet has pay per click and P2P often comes bundled with adware etc which many of us know how to work around; just like I used to edit out the radio commercials between songs too ... so what?
and stop makin' a living on stuff you/others did 10 years ago and get over yourself.
:D I really wish someone would say or send that to Lars Ul"tra"rich :D

[randy77zt]

the radio sucks-clear channel ruined it.but i am probably just getting old.i hate talk radio in the morning.dont like sirruis.been listening to xm chill.

[Cheap Thrills]

Limeware ~ Kazza .. :yuk: You may as well fly a flag over your IP that says
:yuk: "I love Viruses, Fukk me here" :yuk:
Not to mention the bogus mistagged files.
How many times does it have to be mentioned for some people to get a clue?
Bittorrent. beeeotch :D but since it isn't one of those cheesy easy windooze looser user pointy clicky programs and actually takes a little work and time to understand half you retards wont use it.
As far as the new music goes, yeah I agree, most of it sucks ass. there's very few "new" groups that I like. Theory of a Deadman , Days of the New , Tantric , are a few good ones however Days of the New arent doing anymore :cry:
When is Blue Oyster Cult getting back together ? will Floyd ever tour again ? saw them in Tampa :D also saw Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Bad Company & Lynnyrd Skynnyrd all in the same awesome show. it's groups like that that stand the test of time. You know the groups that actually have talent and dont have to rely on shock factor gimmicks , costumes, pyrotechnics & lazer shows to draw a crowd.
Can I Have A Little More Talent In The Monitors PLEASE ?
C.T. :wink:

[RitcheyRch]

Same here.
I said the hell with it years ago. I got tired of listening to the same 10 songs over and over and over. I like the classic rock stations and oldie stations. Cant stand to hear I'm in love with a stripper every 10 mins. I also started listening to ALOT of talk radio.

[RitcheyRch]

Awesome song.
Sign of the Gypsy Queen - April Wine

[a catered life]

since i have been using limewire i haven't had any problems with them...but the suck part is sometimes you down load something and its the early radio release version so you get the radio dj's talking through the track and as far as the quality of some downloads i would prefer to be able to buy a complete album the sound quality difference can be heard in my audio car system...the highs are not so crisp and the lows bottom out a lot but for river music downloads work great......
i want to personal thank NOT SO FAST for a great reggee suggestion DAMIAN MARLEY the album is awesome downloaded last nght and listening at desk now :p

[Not So Fast]

since i have been using limewire i haven't had any problems with them...but the suck part is sometimes you down load something and its the early radio release version so you get the radio dj's talking through the track and as far as the quality of some downloads i would prefer to be able to buy a complete album the sound quality difference can be heard in my audio car system...the highs are not so crisp and the lows bottom out a lot but for river music downloads work great......
i want to personal thank NOT SO FAST for a great reggee suggestion DAMIAN MARLEY the album is awesome downloaded last nght and listening at desk now :p
Glad you liked it CL :D Living in Havasu has its drawbacks and finding new music is one of them so I am constantly asking my son (oldest) who or what is good. Ha has a knack of finding good stuff. NSF