'07 Duramax will be OK afterall

[Beer-30]

From AUTOWEEK:
GM and Dodge trucks go on sale in January as 2007 models, while Ford's Super Duty is set to debut in the first quarter as a 2008 model. The GM and Ford trucks are redesigned and re-engineered.
Dodge will have the biggest engine but the fewest cylinders. The inline six-cylinder Cummins turbodiesel, optional in the Dodge 2500 and 3500, grows from 5.9 liters to 6.7 liters. The increased engine size brings more power. Horsepower is rated at 350; torque is 650 pounds-feet. That's up from 325 hp and 610 pounds-feet of torque in 2006 models.
Ford plans to replace its current 6.0-liter Power Stroke V-8 turbodiesel with a 6.4-liter engine loaded with technology such as piezo-electric fuel injectors, which help reduce emissions and enable the engine to run smoother and quieter.
Ford plans to announce horsepower and torque ratings Sept. 28 when the Super Duty debuts at the Texas State Fair. But a Ford source says the new engine will develop at least 350 hp and 650 pounds-feet of torque, the same as the Dodge Ram.
The outgoing 6.0-liter engine is rated at 325 hp and 570 pounds-feet of torque.
"Maintaining power and torque leadership is important to us," says Charlie Freese, GM's executive director of diesel engineering.
Freese says the power of GM's Duramax engine has enabled the automaker to increase its share of the diesel-truck market from less than 2 percent in 2001 to about 33 percent today.
GM says the 2007 Duramax will have at least 360 hp and 650 pounds-feet of torque.
GM spokesman Susan Garavaglia says the final figures won't go down but could go up.

[3 daytona`s]

Hoolign should have waited :)

[Trailer Park Casanova]

On the Autoweek TV program they mentiond a GM 8 litre big block diesel in the pipeline w/Alli 7 speed. 450 HP/900 ft lbs torque.
May see it arrive in GM lite trucks '09.
Injectors atomize in parts per billion, not parts per million anymore and that's a BFD to Combustion = more power, quicker response, cleaner, quieter and better relative economy.
Damfino, it's what they said.

[LHC30Victory]

Very Cool! Now put that 09 monster in a SUBURBAN!!!!!!

[VanDeano]

Very Cool! Now put that 09 monster in a SUBURBAN!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly

[Hardly Satisfied]

can't wait

[RitcheyRch]

Battle of the diesels.

[hoolign]

Hoolign should have waited :)
I waited as long as I could.
I'm not planning on purchasing another GM until the 09's hit the lots. I wish someone would build a decent work truck. Alot of guys here are swithcing to the H3's and a few are running Mercdes unimogs. The perfect combo would be GM - ride with Ford simple suspension - and Dodge standard transmission / Cummins reliabilty and mega cab room.
They don't build trucks to last! they are all disposable now! There are numerousthings that could be simply done to all trucks to make em last longer. Especially GM in the brake department. Unfortunately the biggest truck market is Texas and they don't have the same conditions as we do up here - so we just pay pay pay

[NOTALENT]

GM, always one step ahead of the game. FORD SUCKS! :crossx:

[TOBTEK]

can't wait
anyone of these should pull your new DCB very well...... Mr Big Baller.

[Beer-30]

I Checked with my GMC dealer and the VP said new ones on the lots in February or March at the latest. I'm still waitin'.
I like the AT LEAST 650 ft lb part.

[Quality Time]

I Checked with my GMC dealer and the VP said new ones on the lots in February or March at the latest. I'm still waitin'.
I like the AT LEAST 650 ft lb part.
I believe that is for the 1500's. Similar to the Silverdao/Sierra roll-out. Little ones first then the heavier duty models within the next 6 months to a year. I just looked at an 07' HD today and the DMax in it is the 360/650 with the new Allison.

[Beer-30]

I believe that is for the 1500's. Similar to the Silverdao/Sierra roll-out. Little ones first then the heavier duty models within the next 6 months to a year. I just looked at an 07' HD today and the DMax in it is the 360/650 with the new Allison.
According to him, they will have Duallys by the end of Feb, early Mar.
They are already technically in production:
http://myspace-251.vo.llnwd.net/01001/15/25/1001525251_l.jpg
http://myspace-751.vo.llnwd.net/01001/15/75/1001525751_l.jpg

[Beer-30]

2007i Duramax Diesel 6.6L V-8 Turbo ( LMM )
Type:
Duramax 6.6L V-8 turbo-diesel
Displacement:
6599cc
Compression ratio:
16.8:1
Valve configuration:
overhead valves (4 valves per cylinder)
Assembly site:
Moraine, Ohio
Valve lifters:
mechanical roller
Firing order:
1 - 2 - 7 - 8 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 3
Bore x stroke:
103 x 99mm
Fuel system:
direct-injection diesel with high pressure common rail
Applications:
Horsepower: hp ( kW )
Chevrolet Silverado HD
360 hp ( 268kW ) @ 3200 rpm*
GMC Sierra HD
360 hp (268kW) @3200 rpm*
Chevrolet Kodiak Medium Duty ( LYE option )
330 hp ( 246kW ) @ 3000 rpm
GMC TopKick Medium Duty ( LYE option )
330 hp ( 246kW ) @ 3000 rpm
Chevrolet Kodiak Medium Duty ( LRX option )
300 hp ( 224 kW ) @ 3000 rpm
GMC TopKick Medium Duty ( LRX option )
300 hp ( 224 kW ) @ 3000 rpm
Chevrolet Express
250 hp ( 186 kW ) @ 3200 rpm*
GMC Savana
250 hp (186 kW) @ 3200 rpm*
Applications:
Torque: lb-ft ( Nm )
Chevrolet Silverado HD
650 lb-ft ( 881 Nm ) @ 1600 rpm*
GMC Sierra HD
650 lb-ft (881 Nm) @ 1600 rpm*
Chevrolet Kodiak Medium Duty ( LYE option )
620 lb-ft ( 841 Nm ) @ 1600 rpm
GMC TopKick Medium Duty ( LYE option )
620 lb-ft (841 Nm) 2 1600 rpm
Chevrolet Kodiak Medium Duty ( LRX option )
520 lb-ft ( 705 Nm ) @ 1600 rpm
GMC TopKick Medium Duty ( LRX option )
520 lb-ft (705 Nm) @ 1600 rpm
Chevrolet Express
460 lb-ft. ( 624 Nm ) @ 1600 rpm*
GMC Savana
460 lb-ft (624 Nm) @ 1600 rpm*
Fuel shut off:
3250 rpm Kodiak and TopKick (medium duty)
3450 rpm Silverado and Sierra (heavy duty), Express and Savana
Emissions controls:
cooled exhaust gas recirculation, catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter (DPF) & intake throttle
MATERIALS:
Block:
cast iron
Cylinder head:
cast aluminum
Intake manifold:
cast aluminum
Exhaust manifold:
cast nodular iron with steel pipe extension
Main bearing caps:
cast nodular iron
Crankshaft:
forged steel
Camshaft:
steel
Connecting rods:
forged steel, stress fractured
Additional features:
charge air cooling
recommended oil change interval: Per the computerized Oil Life System. Requires CJ-4 engine oil to Maximize Life
recommended coolant change interval: 5 years or 150,000 miles
* Final advertised power ratings will be announced later this year.

[Beer-30]

Well, the GM website is showing the new dually, as well as the 2500HD models - available "early 2007". For the 3500HD dually, they show the new Hydra-Matic 6-speed auto. They also only show 6.0L and 6.6 Duramax.
It is, however, real nice to see the DM went up just a tad. 365HP, 660TQ.
www.gmc.com/sierra900/3500/index.jsp

[Beer-30]

http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.mini8L.jpg
http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.mini18L.jpg
http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.mini10L.jpg
Looks like Allison will still be behind the DMax. :cool:

[NOTALENT]

what ever happened to Ford and there dual turbo setup?? I thought they were suppost to release that this year or next...are they still having complicaitons with it??

[HavasuSelect]

That looks a lot like an F-250 to me.....

[Zaairman]

what ever happened to Ford and there dual turbo setup?? I thought they were suppost to release that this year or next...are they still having complicaitons with it??
It's being released in early 2007 as a 2008 model.... :skull: I can't wait to get one in about 2010...

[NOTALENT]

It's being released in early 2007 as a 2008 model.... :skull: I can't wait to get one in about 2010...
Have there been any more updates or reviews on the twin turbo ???

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Very Cool! Now put that 09 monster in a SUBURBAN!!!!!!
Exactly!

[Beer-30]

what ever happened to Ford and there dual turbo setup?? I thought they were suppost to release that this year or next...are they still having complicaitons with it??
Of course they are having problems. It's a Ford. :yuk:

[Beer-30]

That looks a lot like an F-250 to me.....
It won't when I'm done with it.

[AzMandella]

GM, always one step ahead of the game. FORD SUCKS! :crossx:That's funny because it seems to me that Chevy has always sat around and waited to see what Ford does first and then copy them.Isn't that why Ford's been kicking Chevy's ass for 25 yrs in the truck market.Next time your on the freeway pay attention to how many Chevy are pulling heavy loads vs.ford or Dodge.I work in the steel industry and you almost never see a Chevy coming in with a 35' gooseneck flatbed to haul a 30,000 lb load.All Fords and Dodges.And as far as the HP and torque thing it's just a mater of how they all decide to program it.It's nnot like 20 yrs ago when they built an engine to produce numbers.Now they just chip it.
P.S. funny how every year they look more like a Superduty

[HavasuSelect]

It won't when I'm done with it.
Don't get me wrong it's still a nice truck and I'm sure when you get yours it'll be nicer.
Let me rephrase....The front fascia looks like an F-250. The rear tail lights look like they came off a Dodge. It's also funny where the placement of the Chevy bowtie is on the tailgate. It's at the exact same spot of the F-150.

[Beer-30]

Maybe vice-versa. I believe it is Ford that is adopting the GM pioneered Allison program.

[Beer-30]

They all seem to have their similarities.
Like: Every since Dodge put that enormous grill out there in the wind, the other two seem to have done the same. Now, that is a functional piece as huge radiators and associated intercoolers need lots and lots of air. All have big grills now.

[HammerDown]

That looks a lot like an F-250 to me.....
Yea like my ol 1988 F-250 to be exact.

[AzMandella]

Your right about the large grill.But Dodge and Ford hoods and fenders were and are completely different and Chevy's are looking more and more like Fords.So are the doors and roof.And the mirrors are definately a Ford rip-off.

[vee-driven]

That's funny because it seems to me that Chevy has always sat around and waited to see what Ford does first and then copy them.Isn't that why Ford's been kicking Chevy's ass for 25 yrs in the truck market.Next time your on the freeway pay attention to how many Chevy are pulling heavy loads vs.ford or Dodge.I work in the steel industry and you almost never see a Chevy coming in with a 35' gooseneck flatbed to haul a 30,000 lb load.All Fords and Dodges.And as far as the HP and torque thing it's just a mater of how they all decide to program it.It's nnot like 20 yrs ago when they built an engine to produce numbers.Now they just chip it.
P.S. funny how every year they look more like a Superduty
i think the reason you see more fords on the road as work trucks is because they are cheaper, when it comes to buying vehicles for employes to drive around in why not buy a ford and save some money, i am sure it is all a numbers game. as for as the 30,000 lb load i am sure the fords with their torqueshit trannies are lovin it.
P.S. pay attention to how many fords are on the SIDE of the road on the way to glamis or the river

[AzMandella]

i think the reason you see more fords on the road as work trucks is because they are cheaper, when it comes to buying vehicles for employes to drive around in why not buy a ford and save some money, i am sure it is all a numbers game. as for as the 30,000 lb load i am sure the fords with their torqueshit trannies are lovin it.
P.S. pay attention to how many fords are on the SIDE of the road on the way to glamis or the river
Your right I would rather have the Allison.But as far as work trucks go I'm not talking about a bunch of F150"s or 1500's.I'm talking about heavy work trucks.And as a buisness owner I would pay more for reliability if Chevy had it.It comes out cheaper in the long run.I know more people who have switched from Chevy to Ford than the other way around.And that was because of reliability.Most chevy owners I know say the #1 reason they bought the Chevy was for ride and comfort.Hell you buy a Caddy for that.

[OGShocker]

I waited as long as I could.
I'm not planning on purchasing another GM until the 09's hit the lots. I wish someone would build a decent work truck. Alot of guys here are swithcing to the H3's and a few are running Mercdes unimogs. The perfect combo would be GM - ride with Ford simple suspension - and Dodge standard transmission / Cummins reliabilty and mega cab room.
They don't build trucks to last! they are all disposable now! There are numerousthings that could be simply done to all trucks to make em last longer. Especially GM in the brake department. Unfortunately the biggest truck market is Texas and they don't have the same conditions as we do up here - so we just pay pay pay
You bought a D.O.D.G.E., YOU'LL NEED A NEW TRUCK BEFORE '09. :D

[NOTALENT]

That's funny because it seems to me that Chevy has always sat around and waited to see what Ford does first and then copy them.Isn't that why Ford's been kicking Chevy's ass for 25 yrs in the truck market.Next time your on the freeway pay attention to how many Chevy are pulling heavy loads vs.ford or Dodge.I work in the steel industry and you almost never see a Chevy coming in with a 35' gooseneck flatbed to haul a 30,000 lb load.All Fords and Dodges.And as far as the HP and torque thing it's just a mater of how they all decide to program it.It's nnot like 20 yrs ago when they built an engine to produce numbers.Now they just chip it.
P.S. funny how every year they look more like a Superduty
Haha...hey everyone has to top everyone else, but Chevy still keeps coming ahead whether they wait or not. I work for one of the biggest remanufactures in the US.....Fords 6.9 and 7.3 are our most popular diesel engine sellers..than chevys 6.5 and last is 5.9cummins....I really dont care as long as its american... :p

[atomickitn]

yep my new truck is right around the corner .....tick......tock....tick ...tock :rollside:

[Beer-30]

yep my new truck is right around the corner .....tick......tock....tick ...tock :rollside:
What'cha gettin'?

[RiverRatMike]

GM, always one step ahead of the game. FORD SUCKS! :crossx:
FORD, always one step ahead of the game. GM sucks!

[Beer-30]

In all seriousness, I think Ford has a much stronger frame and a bulletproof rear end.
GM has a quieter, more powerful motor and the Allison - which Ford will be using.
In the looks department - to each their own. Some like the style of Ford. Others like Chevy. And, a few, like Dodge. :)
Interior is about equal.
Oh, the new Silverados will have the rear back-up sensors. Ok, Ford had that one first. :p

[Beer-30]

Looks nice. All gaps have been closed to minimums. Inside: trim panels have 1mm gaps or less. Outside: door, hood, and fender gaps are tighter. The bed-to-cab gap has been cut in half.
Sound deadening througout, built-in dash-integrated elec trailer brake controller.
All four headlights on with high-beams (no more add-on relay).
Still reading on stuff. Everything is revamped.
INT:
http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.5M.jpg
Edit:
The rear seats fold down for cargo area. Nifty.

[vee-driven]

Your right I would rather have the Allison.But as far as work trucks go I'm not talking about a bunch of F150"s or 1500's.I'm talking about heavy work trucks.And as a buisness owner I would pay more for reliability if Chevy had it.It comes out cheaper in the long run.I know more people who have switched from Chevy to Ford than the other way around.And that was because of reliability.Most chevy owners I know say the #1 reason they bought the Chevy was for ride and comfort.Hell you buy a Caddy for that.
i am talking about 250's or bigger. i base my opinion on my ford owning friends whose 6.0l diesels run like crap or have blown up with less than 10k miles and for the trannies same thing blown up and stranded, and what about the crank positioning sensor good for them one of our friends owns a NAPA and give them cost on parts. caddy is made by GM. At least its all american.

[AzMandella]

i am talking about 250's or bigger. i base my opinion on my ford owning friends whose 6.0l diesels run like crap or have blown up with less than 10k miles and for the trannies same thing blown up and stranded, and what about the crank positioning sensor good for them one of our friends owns a NAPA and give them cost on parts. caddy is made by GM. At least its all american.
and I know people who have had their Duramaxes go out in 10,000 mi or less.They were notorius for cracked heads and overheating.By the way Duramax is made by Isuzu.Regardless if they are assembled in the U.S. they are Jap motors.As far as 6.0's.They suck.I'll take my7.3 over any of them.No substitute for ci's.We'll see how the new 6.4's are.At least they are true American made.(International).

[HavasuSelect]

http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.5M.jpg
.
I like the fact that they didn't angle the dash to be facing the driver.

[vee-driven]

and I know people who have had their Duramaxes go out in 10,000 mi or less.They were notorius for cracked heads and overheating.By the way Duramax is made by Isuzu.Regardless if they are assembled in the U.S. they are Jap motors.As far as 6.0's.They suck.I'll take my7.3 over any of them.No substitute for ci's.We'll see how the new 6.4's are.At least they are true American made.(International).
WELL I GUESS BOTH OF OUR TRUCKS SUCK THEN.

[boatnam2]

FORD, always one step ahead of the game. GM sucks!
yea tell that to all the guys with that pos dsl ford is getting rid of!

[AzMandella]

WELL I GUESS BOTH OF OUR TRUCKS SUCK THEN.
I'm not sure what you are driving but my 99 F250 has 126,000 mi and I have not done anything to it other than routine maintanance.I did have to replace the batteries twice,but that is to be expected since diesels are hard on batteries.I wouldn't say your truck sucks since all the manufacturers have a few lemons come off the assembly line.

[NOTALENT]

Looks nice. All gaps have been closed to minimums. Inside: trim panels have 1mm gaps or less. Outside: door, hood, and fender gaps are tighter. The bed-to-cab gap has been cut in half.
Sound deadening througout, built-in dash-integrated elec trailer brake controller.
All four headlights on with high-beams (no more add-on relay).
Still reading on stuff. Everything is revamped.
INT:
http://www.americancarfans.com/news/2061002.007/2061002.007.5M.jpg
Edit:
The rear seats fold down for cargo area. Nifty.
Wow...they finally came up with a decent interior....I always thought it was under par. They need the guy who designs Nissan/Infinitiys interior to do some work for them.

[LHC30Victory]

I still want a Diesel SUBURBAN!!!!!

[Beer-30]

I know just as many Ford owners as GM owners that have had pickups go belly up early in life. Not consistantly, mind you, but occasionally. Hey, they are mechanical pieces of equipment. Just like a boat. Things are gonna break. Even brand new, one little weak part can go at any time. That's the cost of doing business.

[Beer-30]

I still want a Diesel SUBURBAN!!!!!
If I had the facility to do it, I would start making them. Seriously. I would buy one to two year old Suburbans and Escalades and buy DMax crate motors. OR even the new Banks crate motors (available soon). Get all the factory harnesses and Allison crate trannys. Then convert them and sell them. Could do brand new ones at owners request. Once a person was set up for the mods, it wouldn't be hard to do. The first few would be timely, though.
I doubt a person could keep one in stock.

[sorry dog]

From AUTOWEEK:
Ford plans to replace its current 6.0-liter Power Stroke V-8 turbodiesel with a 6.4-liter engine loaded with technology such as piezo-electric fuel injectors, which help reduce emissions and enable the engine to run smoother and quieter.
I wonder if the injectors will double as tweeters for the sound system??

[INSman]

I still want a Diesel SUBURBAN!!!!!
You make it sound like you have an army of people to haul across the country with you all the time :)

[98 Vector 21]

Very Cool! Now put that 09 monster in a SUBURBAN!!!!!!
Agreeded....

[98 Vector 21]

Add a juice module by Edge products and your already past 07 spec's....

[H20 Toie]

Why won't Chevy get rid of the independent front suspension? or at least build one that will hold up like the straight axles do. My Chevy 1988 1 ton crew cab with 4" lift and 35" tires was great never had to replace a single front end piece and it had 160k on it when i sold it. the 99 suburban and 03 H2 both with stock tires every 40 to 50k have to replace idler arms or tie rods so that the front end doesn't shimmy.

[Beer-30]

Why won't Chevy get rid of the independent front suspension? or at least build one that will hold up like the straight axles do. My Chevy 1988 1 ton crew cab with 4" lift and 35" tires was great never had to replace a single front end piece and it had 160k on it when i sold it. the 99 suburban and 03 H2 both with stock tires every 40 to 50k have to replace idler arms or tie rods so that the front end doesn't shimmy.
They can do that to the 4wd if they want, as long as they leave the 2wd independent. I don't want my friggen teeth jarred out of my head. We had a '70 C20 longbed 4wd that was leafs all around. It wouldn't break equipment, but it would break your bones.