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RitcheyRch
10-11-2006, 10:58 AM
http://cbs2.com/topstories/topstories_story_284060908.html
UNITED NATIONS "Sanctions are nonsense," says one North Korean official of the punitive measures the United Nations is considering imposing in reaction to Monday's nuclear weapons test. "If full-scale sanctions take place, we will regard it as a declaration of war."
The North Korean official – commenting on the condition that his name be kept anonymous – said he doesn't know if North Korea is preparing a second nuclear test, but the North will decide whether to carry out another test "according to the development of the situation."
The North already is under limited sanctions imposed by the United States and some allies. The U.N. Security Council is considering broader measures in response to North Korea's claimed nuclear test Monday.
North Korea also has a message directly for the United States.
"If the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures," the North's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.
"We were compelled to conduct a nuclear test because of the U.S. nuclear threat and pressure of sanctions," the statement said. "We are ready for both dialogue and confrontation."
The statement was the first formal announcement from the North Korean government since KCNA reported the Monday test.
"Even though we conducted the nuclear test because of the U.S., we still remain committed to realizing the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula through dialogue and negotiations," the ministry said.
Wednesday morning's rhetoric – ratcheting up tensions as the U.N. prepares to vote, with China now backing 'some' punitive action – came several hours after Asia was rattled by another event: a report that North Korea might have done yet another nuclear test.
The report early Wednesday sent scientists scrambling to seismic meters around the globe – but within a short time, officials in the U.S., Japan, and South Korea all said they found no evidence that a second test had happened.
North Korea's No. 2 leader says that the decision of whether to carry out further nuclear tests depends on how the United States treats his country.
"If the United States continues to take a hostile attitude and apply pressure on us in various forms," said Kim Yong Nam, president of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, "we will have no choice but to take physical steps to deal with that."
The Bush administration has asked the U.N. Security Council to impose a partial trade embargo including strict limits on Korea's profitable weapons exports and freezing of related financial assets. All imports would be inspected too, to filter out materials that could be made into nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.
In an excerpt of a Kyodo News interview, Kim also says that North Korea is ready to return to six-party talks on its nuclear program - if existing sanctions are lifted.
South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun meanwhile says North Korea's claims of being under threat are exaggerated.
"North Korea says the reason it is pursuing nuclear (weapons) is for its security, but the security threat North Korea speaks of either does not exist in reality, or is very exaggerated" said Roh, according to Yonhap News.
South Korea also says it will enlarge its conventional arsenal - if North Korea is confirmed to have nuclear weapons.
"We will supplement (our ability) to conduct precision strikes against storage facilities and intercept delivery means, while also improving the system of having military units and individuals defend themselves," said South Korean Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung, speaking to the Parliament.
Tuesday, North Korea lost some diplomatic ground as China signaled it would back some form of U.N. sanctions against Pyongyang – although not the more severe sanctions backed by the U.S., which China said would be too crushing for its impoverished communist ally.
China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya told reporters that the council must give a "firm, constructive, appropriate but prudent response" to North Korea.
"I think there has to be some punitive actions but also I think these actions have to be appropriate," he said.
The comments signal a hardening of the stance taken by China, which is viewed as having the greatest outside leverage on North Korea, in part because it is a provider of economic and energy aid.
"With both North Korea and Iran on Wednesday's U.N. agenda, the ability of the Security Council to pressure both nations to get back to negotiations and halt their nuclear programs is being seen as a test of the U.N. to keep a nuclear weapons race from spiraling out of control," says CBS News Foreign Affairs Analyst Pamela Falk.
"South Korea's Foreign Minister, Ban Ki Moon, as the soon-to-be-appointed next Secretary General, will be at U.N. headquarters as well," says Falk, "making his first appearance since the Security Council chose him to succeed Kofi Annan."
The debate over sanctions began as scientists and governments suggested that the underground test on Monday was a partial failure, producing a smaller blast than had been planned.
Diplomats said Tuesday there is a general agreement that the Security Council must pass a sanctions resolution in the next few days. The council's image suffered badly the last time it deadlocked over a major crisis, over the summer when it needed a month to pass a resolution on ending the war between Israel and Hezbollah.
"All I can say is that we are having a very good discussion, trying to identify what really we are going to be able to achieve, and I think there is general understanding also about the need to get our act together, and fast," Japan's U.N. Ambassador Kenzo Oshima said. "On that we agree."
The United States reiterated that it would not talk with the North Koreans one-on-one, but Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice assured the North that the United States would not attack.
Rice also suggested, in an interview with CBS Evening News Anchor Katie Couric, that the Bush administration opposes one-on-one talks with North Korea because that situation would be too advantageous to Pyongyang.
The Secretary of State says in two-way talks, the North Koreas would be able to bring all the pressure to bear on the U.S. to produce a solution, whereas in the six-nation talks including North Korea's neighbors, Pyongyang is subject to pressure from all the participants to back away from its nuclear program.
Rice separately rejected a suggestion that Pyongyang may feel it needs nuclear weapons to stave off an Iraq-style U.S. invasion. President Bush, Rice told CNN, has told "the North Koreans that there is no intention to invade or attack them. So they have that guarantee... I don't know what more they want."
David Albright, an expert on North Korea's nuclear program, says North Korean leaders believe acquiring nuclear missiles can convince the United States the cost of attacking them is too high.
"They need to be able to convince the United States that if there is a military strike against nuclear facilities in North Korea, they can, in essence, nuke U.S. military assets in Japan," Albright told CBS News national security correspondent David Martin.
U.S. Ambassador John Bolton sounded upbeat after Tuesday's round of talks at the Security Council, but said differences remain.
"Look, we don't have complete agreement on this yet, that's hardly a news flash, but we're making progress and we're I think at a point we can try and narrow some of the differences we do have," Bolton said.
China, which reacted to Monday's blast with a strong condemnation but considers North Korea a useful buffer against U.S. forces stationed in South Korea, said it envisioned only a limited package of sanctions — not what the United States and especially Japan are demanding.
China and Russia object to plans to interdict shipments and block financial transactions. They also oppose a new suggestion that Japan proposed Tuesday — to include mention of the North's abduction of Japanese citizens in the 1970s and '80s.
"We certainly understand that Japan is close to the country. But I think you cannot ask by this resolution to kill a country," China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya told The Associated Press. He said the Security Council must impose "punitive actions" but that they have to "be appropriate."
Though far less than what the Americans and Japanese seek, even calling for some punishment was significant for China, which usually opposes sanctions, particularly against an ally such as North Korea.
Pyongyang again demanded one-on-one talks with Washington and threatened to launch a nuclear-tipped missile if the United States doesn't help resolve the standoff. Bolton dismissed the demand, saying the North should instead "buy a ticket to Beijing," and rejoin stalled six-nation talks over its nuclear and missile programs.
The war of words suggested tough negotiations before the United Nations takes any action against North Korea. In the meantime, scientists and governments tried to determine what exactly happened early Monday, deep below the earth in North Korea's northeast mountains. The North Korean government has released few details.
A South Korean newspaper quoted a North Korean diplomat, whom it did not name, saying that the blast was "smaller in scale than expected.
"But the success in a small-scale (test) means a large-scale (test) is also possible," he said in comments posted on the Web site of the liberal newspaper Hankyoreh, which has good ties with the communist nation.
The diplomat also said the North could take "additional measures" and that it doesn't fear sanctions.
Philip Coyle, at the Center for Defense Information in Washington, a non-government think tank, expressed a growing view that "they got a partial result" and not the full-power explosion that they sought. Several Western estimates said the blast was less than a tenth the size of the 12-megaton bomb that the United States dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
But "for them it was enough ... to say that it was a success," said Coyle. "It helps them to claim that they are a nuclear power, and that the world should take them seriously, which is what they want. But I wouldn't be surprised if, after several months, they don't try again."
The White House said there is a "remote possibility" that the world never will be able to fully determine whether North Korea succeeded in conducting a nuclear test Monday.
Democrats said the test was evidence of a failed Bush administration policy, which White House press secretary Tony Snow denied.
"The Chinese, the South Koreans, the Japanese — they all have more direct leverage over the North Koreans than we do," Snow said. "The people who have the greatest ability to influence behavior are now fully invested, as equal partners, in a process to deal with the government of North Korea."
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said President Clinton was to blame for his 1990s program to entice the North Koreans toward more cooperation. "The Koreans received millions and millions in energy assistance. They've diverted millions of dollars of food assistance to their military," he said.
After the reclusive regime announced it had set off an underground atomic explosion, the Security Council quickly condemned North Korea's decision to flout a U.N. appeal to cancel the test. The 15-nation council urged Pyongyang to return to stalled talks, refrain from further tests and keep its pledge to scrap its clandestine weapons program.
Despite the positive assessment, familiar fault lines that have plagued past negotiations over North Korea already began to appear.
Japan, which holds the presidency of the Security Council for October, demanded the toughest sanctions of all, possibly including a blanket air and naval blockade of North Korea, as well as a ban on senior North Korean diplomats traveling abroad. In Tokyo, Japan's leader said the country could slap sanctions on North Korea without waiting for confirmation that it did indeed test a nuclear weapon.
"Instead, the international community and the United Nations should take positive and appropriate measures that will help the process of de-nuclearization on the Korean peninsula," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao.
"The nuclear test will undoubtedly exert a negative impact on our relations," Liu continued, saying that Monday's test was done "flagrantly, and in disregard of the international community's shared opposition."
"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," Yonhap, the South Korean news agency, quoted an unidentified North Korean official as saying. "That depends on how the U.S. will act." Yonhap did not say how or where it contacted the official, or why no name was given.
The news agency quoted the official as saying the nuclear test was "an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table."

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 11:13 AM
All I can say is ... Bring it ya slant eyed sawed off little yellow fuċkers. Keep running those Goddamn dicksuckers of yours the "Beast " already has you surrounded.
Yep ....... I've been drinking. :p
C. Hic T. up :wink:

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:16 AM
I think you guys should negotiate. I'm sure that in exchange for some military aircraft, munitions, nuclear weapon delivery systems, and nuclear warheads, they would be more than pleased to halt their nuclear program.... for a while.

DCBDaytona
10-11-2006, 11:16 AM
North Korea does not stand a chance....WTF are they thinking?

AltarGirl
10-11-2006, 11:19 AM
This is such a girl thing, I'm kind of confused about this whole thing. WHat are they so pissed about? Bear with me here, please

centerhill condor
10-11-2006, 11:21 AM
I think we're gonna starve them to death or change in leadership.

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 11:21 AM
North Korea does not stand a chance....WTF are they thinking?
They're stuck on the 64~74 mindset. They need to back the hell up and regroup.
C.T. :wink:

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:22 AM
This is such a girl thing......WHat are they so pissed about?
Maybe they're being crabby to get some attention?

Jbb
10-11-2006, 11:24 AM
The US made fun of the leaders ....."helmet like" ..haircut.... :p

KreatinKaos
10-11-2006, 11:24 AM
I wonder if we can nuke them and make it look like they did it to themselves by accident :crossx:

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:26 AM
The US made fun of the leaders ....."helmet like" ..haircut.... :p
Perhaps a gift of cocaine and hookers would solve this problem.

LAFD
10-11-2006, 11:26 AM
i saw we level the place. little fockin bastards. how do they thing they even have a chance. lets roll.

LAFD
10-11-2006, 11:27 AM
I wonder if we can nuke them and make it look like they did it to themselves by accident :crossx:
dont we have specialists for that?

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:27 AM
lets roll.
Right on. We'll watch. :cool:

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 11:28 AM
It's all hollow anyhow. China has carried them, lock, stock, and water barrel for 55 years now. They do what China says they can, and China is happy to let them rattle sabres all they want to, as far as real genuine offensive activity goes, Kim has a definite leash, and China holds the other end, and will yank it when necissary. Kim talks a good game, but China won't allow his scrawny little azz off the bench, because they know he can't play.

v-drive
10-11-2006, 11:30 AM
Advice for north korea if they keep this up.
Bend over,bring your head high up between your legs and kiss your ass good bye....... I don't think we will have to lift a finger.......v-drive

Hardly Satisfied
10-11-2006, 11:30 AM
Thanks to MR BUSH YOU F**KING A$$HOLE

AltarGirl
10-11-2006, 11:30 AM
Maybe they're being crabby to get some attention?
I'm sure that's it. :rolleyes: :p

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 11:33 AM
It's all hollow anyhow. China has carried them, lock, stock, and water barrel for 55 years now. They do what China says they can, and China is happy to let them rattle sabres all they want to, as far as real genuine offensive activity goes, Kim has a definite leash, and China holds the other end, and will yank it when necissary. Kim talks a good game, but China won't allow his scrawny little azz off the bench, because they know he can't play.
So basicly what you're saying is ... They got no game.. :D
Pass me another TECATE I'll drink to that :D
C.T. :wink:

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:34 AM
I think I'll rent an Elantra and drive the wheels off it. :idea:

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 11:41 AM
I think I'll rent an Elantra and drive the wheels off it. :idea:
Wouldn't you rather drive a Buick ? :rollside:
C.T. :wink:

XFactor
10-11-2006, 11:43 AM
Thanks to MR BUSH YOU F**KING A$$HOLE
Thanks Bush? Look at the recent history of whats occured in N. Korea. It wasn't Bush that failed. Try Clinton. He failed to enforce sanctions on N.Korea when we had the chance. Of cource the democrats will see it differently. :mad:

NOTALENT
10-11-2006, 11:49 AM
Thats a long read and I dont have time....anyone have cliffs notes??? :rollside:

racecar.hotshoe
10-11-2006, 11:50 AM
I could be there leader cause I got these!
http://www.sitefxonline.com/mcds/happymeal/images/MIGHTY2.jpg

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 11:51 AM
Thats a long read and I dont have time....anyone have cliffs notes??? :rollside:
Insane dictator acts as fluffer to UN security council.

SHOTKALLIN
10-11-2006, 11:52 AM
Thanks to MR BUSH YOU F**KING A$$HOLE
Would you like to explain why Bush is to blame for the N. Korean psychotic learership? Or would you like to recant your statement? You put up alot of these far leftist hate statements but you never back them up with any logical info.
WTF?

Wet Dream
10-11-2006, 12:05 PM
Insane dictator acts as fluffer to UN security council.
TB hits it out of the park!!! F'ing hilarious.

centerhill condor
10-11-2006, 12:05 PM
Perhaps a gift of cocaine and hookers would solve this problem.
certainly worth a try!

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 12:12 PM
So basicly what you're saying is ... They got no game.. :D
Pass me another TECATE I'll drink to that :D
C.T. :wink:
Yep, pretty much, China gave them a pretty good bullhorn tho, and keeps giving them batteries. :220v:

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 12:16 PM
Thanks to MR BUSH YOU F**KING A$$HOLE
I'm interested in the explanation of this to.
HS, When you DO 'splain this to us "thick-headded" types, please avoid the prefered method which is to SKIP THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION CULPABILITY. If you want to start a bonfire, put in ALL the firewood, not just the twigs you brought, include the old junk sofa from the back porch.

Jbb
10-11-2006, 12:18 PM
Gas prices reach alltime high over Nuke worries with helmet headed leader in Hyundai land...that coupled with OPEC's decline in production will assure a very merry x mas to all... :p

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Thats a long read and I dont have time....anyone have cliffs notes??? :rollside:
Cliffs Notes:
Korean nutball dictator said:
"I have nook."
"You no fok rif us."
"We no skeered of you."
"You fok rif us, we nook you, you die."
"Yankee go home, reeve food and moneys."
:boxed: Glad I could help NOTALENT. :boxed:

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 12:22 PM
Gas prices rach alltime high over Nuke worries with helmet headed leader in Hyundai land...that coupled with OPEC's decline in production will assure a very merry x mas to all... :p
:D no doubt :D
C.T. :wink:

old flat
10-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Me and a few of my closest friends tried to stomp their butt back in 1976 when they killed Cpt Bonifas.and Lt Barrett. But when we took out the tree in the JSA, they were too scared to 'jump' cause the 2nd Inf was ready for them.
KEEP UP THE FIRE.

SHOTKALLIN
10-11-2006, 12:26 PM
I'm interested in the explanation of this to.
HS, When you DO 'splain this to us "thick-headded" types, please avoid the prefered method which is to SKIP THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION CULPABILITY. If you want to start a bonfire, put in ALL the firewood, not just the twigs you brought, include the old junk sofa from the back porch.
He will never throw out that old junk sofa. You see he keeps thinking about gettin it reupolstered :D and puttin back in the living room.

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 12:30 PM
He will never throw out that old junk sofa. You see he keeps thinking about gettin it reupolstered :D and puttin back in the living room.
What I wanna know is.. Who the hell has a Futon reupolstered ?
C.T. :wink:

Flyinbowtie
10-11-2006, 12:31 PM
Time and time again we have sat down and talked with this man, and every time we have bribed him to be good, he has failed to do so. I don't fault previous administrations for trying to make him play nice, to do so doesn't solve the problem at hand. There is too much finger pointing about the past and not enough focus on the future in politics today.
The bottom line is he don't play by the rules. Continued bribery, in any form, should be considered money down the toilet, becasue he won't abide by any agreement he makes.
He has proven that. He never has.
So I will fault anybody; the U.N. ( :rolleyes: ) or us, or even China that bribes him again.
The squeeze is on him now because he is short on $. This is because we shut down, or severely hindered, his ability to wash the counterfeit U.S. currency he has been producing, which was bringing in big $ that he used to prop up his power structure by building up his armed forces and bribing those in his regime. Anyone who believes that the $ we have sent him in the past has been used to feed his starving people isn't seeing the truth.
The problem is that he doesn't seem to be feeling the Chinese choker-chain as much as he used to, and folks in the neighborhood are starting to get tired of his antics. I don't know that he can be brought back in line, which means he needs to be euthanized, like any dog that won't quit crapping on the floor, and insists upon biting the hand that feeds it.
How the hell we do that and then stabilize the country after he has assumed room temperature is going to be the magic trick that we struggle to figure out. And we do have to stabilize it, it is in our best interests to see the Korean Penninsula de-militarized. Wouldn't it be nice to bring home some portion of the 30,000 plus members of our armed forces that have been there since the cease-fire went into effect?
Remember, those people have little or no contact with the outside world, and have been led to believe, for three or four generations, that the, "Dear Leader" and his father have quite literally been the saviors of their world. That is going to be a tough act to follow.
This isn't going to be pretty.
I for, one think things are gonna get ugly, but I hope like hell I am wrong.
My nephew is an E-5 in the Army and is on the DMZ as we speak.
My son can be recalled at any time in the next 4 years 8 months.

stoker
10-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Thanks to MR BUSH YOU F**KING A$$HOLE
Bush?

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 12:45 PM
Bush?
Perhaps Kimmy drilled Mandy, since that's how diplomacy is done in their culture, and he's still bitter toward the US. :idea:

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 12:47 PM
Quit true Flyinbowtie. Pretty well has it rounded up accurately.
I hope you are wrong as well.
My best to your son & Nephew, and my thanks from an E-6. :cool:

Tom Brown
10-11-2006, 01:20 PM
As Canadians, we're always happy to step in and help with matters of diplomacy. :cool:
http://www.carlsonspeed.com/~tombrown/QuickLink/Crazy%20Kim%20and%20crazy%20kim.jpg

Jbb
10-11-2006, 01:23 PM
As Canadians, we're always happy to step in and help with matters of diplomacy. :cool:
http://www.carlsonspeed.com/~tombrown/QuickLink/Crazy%20Kim%20and%20crazy%20kim.jpg
Kim Hanson.....Bench Racer,Peacemaker... :p

ECeptor
10-11-2006, 01:28 PM
Anyone want to guess how many US Ohio class subs are parked off the Korean penisula right now?
My best guess as to how many is "enough!"

Flyinbowtie
10-11-2006, 01:39 PM
I would think one, parked just about anywhere, would be sufficent.
Along with several F/A boats watching out for god-knows-what model of former Soviet or other flea market model superquiet diesel boats Kim has his boys cruising around in.
Like I said, it ain't gonna be pretty. Wars have started this way, ya know?

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 03:35 PM
Anyone want to guess how many US Ohio class subs are parked off the Korean penisula right now?
My best guess as to how many is "enough!"
Damnit!!! That was going to be MY answer. :cry:

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 04:14 PM
superquiet diesel boats
Isn't that kinda like,,,, an Oxymoron ? :D
1 Tecate 2 Tecate 3 Tecate weeeeeee
C.T. :wink:

SmokinLowriderSS
10-11-2006, 04:28 PM
Isn't that kinda like,,,, an Oxymoron ? :D
1 Tecate 2 Tecate 3 Tecate weeeeeee
C.T. :wink:
It kinda is, untill you remenber that underwater thay run on batteries, not the diesels, and they are actually much easier to be quiet than even a nuke boat since they need no water pumps running, no steam systems, they can get dead quiet.

Cheap Thrills
10-11-2006, 04:33 PM
It kinda is, untill you remenber that underwater thay run on batteries, not the diesels, and they are actually much easier to be quiet than even a nuke boat since they need no water pumps running, no steam systems, they can get dead quiet.
Oh I didn't realise he was refering to U boats.
I get a little dense whilst 10 Tecates into the game. You'll have to forgive me. At least my text isn't as bad as some of the drunk post I've seen. Carry on......
C. where's the lime T. :wink:

SHOTKALLIN
10-12-2006, 09:08 AM
hardly satiafied...........were waiting.

lewiville
10-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Cliffs Notes:
Korean nutball dictator said:
"I have nook."
"You no fok rif us."
"We no skeered of you."
"You fok rif us, we nook you, you die."
"Yankee go home, reeve food and moneys."
:boxed: Glad I could help NOTALENT. :boxed:
although that is effffen funny......how do you know how to spell "rif" :)

SmokinLowriderSS
10-12-2006, 01:29 PM
I took a S.W.A.G. Scientific Wild A$$ed Guess. :p

Desert Rat
10-12-2006, 01:58 PM
It kinda is, untill you remenber that underwater thay run on batteries, not the diesels, and they are actually much easier to be quiet than even a nuke boat since they need no water pumps running, no steam systems, they can get dead quiet.
Very true, when I was in the Navy on P3's the Nuke boats where much easier to locate then the diesels, Only thing is when under the nuke boats can stay under untill the food runs out! Go hunting the Diesels at night when the think they have cover of darkness, only thing is that the US Navy see's (and hears) better then anyone else at night!!