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BajaMike
11-15-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm not a cop, but these never ending videos of so-called "excessive force" must make the cops job very difficult and frustrating (I'm frustrated just listening to all the BS on the news).
If I were in charge, I would say:
- If they resist arrest, shoot them
- If they run, shoot them
- If they engage in a high speed chase, shoot them.
I think you would have a lot fewer difficult arrests.
:idea:

GHT
11-15-2006, 09:39 PM
You make it sound too simple. I think we should create more laws to stop the bad guys. :rolleyes: That's what they do in Havasu. :)

BajaMike
11-15-2006, 09:41 PM
Good one....:D
:rollside: :) :rollside: :)

sunsoaker8
11-15-2006, 09:41 PM
I have been reading the hot boat forum for a long time but never post.. however, I saw it to say AMEN AMEN AND AMEN to this post.

BajaMike
11-15-2006, 09:42 PM
I have been reading the hot boat forum for a long time but never post.. however, I saw it to say AMEN AMEN AND AMEN to this post.
Thank you for your support....and welcome to the jungle.....now that's a good first post!!! :cool:
:rollside: :) :rollside: :)

PBOCOP
11-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Yea, the ones lately are interesting.
The pepper spray one is nothing. That idiot was kicking and spitting and they gave him numerous chances to obey and get his feet in the car. They sprayed him just like they are taught to do. They expect the cop to get in there with him and fight and injure himself ? That's what non lethal force and weapons are for.
The punches thrown after a foot pursuit, time will tell. Looks to me like that guy was still fighting, flailing his arms, clearly not obeying all commands, laying there, not moving at all like he should. He ran, he fought, they got his arms behind his head, he's still flexing, they punch him in the face during the fight. Video doesn't say it all, but my guess is they will get off on this case too.
I agree with you though, I like your rules. :)

sunsoaker8
11-15-2006, 09:56 PM
Thanks BajaMike. I've been reading for about 5 years now. Usually check in and see what's going on every evening before I head to bed. As you can see, I pretty much keep my comments to myself. However, I am in complete agreement with you on this. If the Judge's would have done their jobs years ago.. it wouldn't come to this now. Again, thanks for the welcome.

IN2-IN2MX
11-15-2006, 11:55 PM
- If they resist arrest, shoot them
- If they run, shoot them
- If they engage in a high speed chase, shoot them.
Exactly! BRAVO! :)

MudPumper
11-16-2006, 12:17 AM
The media perpetuates the negative attitudes toward police in the way they report the news. They sensationalize the incidents and cause the public outcry and they don't report the whole story. Like in the LAPD pepper spray story, they make a point to say the LAPD peppersprayed a HANDCUFFED suspect. Shit, we pepper spray handcuffed suspects all the time. They think just because somebody is cuffed that they can't fight or don't pose a threat. Last week a guy who was handcuffed spat on my partner and kicked out both rear windows in one of our units (which worked out well because instead of arresting him for the two misdemeanors of resisting arrest and battery on an officer we were able to charge him with felony vandalism for the damage to the unit) :crossx: In a similar case, a handcuffed suspect kicked my partner in the knee causing him to go IOD from the injury.
Years ago, while my dad was a Deputy Sheriff, he and his partner were escorting a cuffed suspect down a stairwell when the suspect started fighting. To keep from falling down the stairs, my dad completely tore the ligaments in his knee resulting in surgery, pins and screws, and about 6 months off work. Not to mention the injury ultimatley forced him to finish his career on light duty and medically retire.
The Media is in no way COP friendly, they do more to hurt our profession than anybody else. Anybody catch that pursuit a while back where the guy crashed through the fence and the officer rushed to the car and the police chopper turned off the spot light. They turned off the light so the news choppers could not video the officers taking the suspect into custody (not that the officers were going to do anything wrong, but it avoids a bunch of monday morning quarterbacks, who know next to nothing about what our job entales, getting all upset because somebody gave the resisting suspect a distraction blow on the shoulder with a flashlight). It's funny that they remind us in line up that if we get into a pursuit and it last for more than 5 minutes that you can guarantee the news choppers will be watching and to be extra careful with our tactics.
After the LAPD/Cardenas thing aired, I had a lady approach me while at work and aske what she could do to show her support for the police. I wish I met more people like her.

H20skier
11-16-2006, 05:43 AM
I'm not a cop, but these never ending videos of so-called "excessive force" must make the cops job very difficult and frustrating (I'm frustrated just listening to all the BS on the news).
If I were in charge, I would say:
- If they resist arrest, shoot them
- If they run, shoot them
- If they engage in a high speed chase, shoot them.
I think you would have a lot fewer difficult arrests.
:idea:
You rock BajaMike. Wish you were in charge.

NOTALENT
11-16-2006, 06:17 AM
Agreed. There is no reason a cop should have to risk himself fighting a suspect when he has these tools to use. If someone wants to disobey, run, fight back etc...the cop has every right to use the tools to subdue the criminal. Who gives a fock if they get hurt, they should not have been doing something stupid in the first place. It looks like the media is trying to get these tools taken away posting these videos with negative comments or newslines. I would love to see one of there pretty candy asses out there and show them how its done. :rolleyes: Since when did the criminal become the innocent and dont give me that till proven guilty shiat! :yuk:

BoatPI
11-16-2006, 06:21 AM
If you look closely at the three videos, all three of these fools are violent or psyco. And their actions are what caused the officers involved to use non lethal means to control them during lawful arrests. This radical idiot at UCLA even tried to enlist others to fight to police officers.
One thing law enforcement has done is to increase the use of less than lethal devices after Rodney. Peper spray, tasers, 37mm weapons firing foam or rubber projectiles, all good stuff to gain and maintain compliance and control of anyone while effecting an arrest.

BajaMike
11-16-2006, 06:25 AM
Again last night, the news was making a big deal about a UCLA incident where the police tased an un-coorporative suspect. They tased him, he screamed, he became more coorporative.
The news makes a big deal about "tasing or pepper spraying" handcuffed suspects.
Just like the guy in Venice that got pepper sprayed, he screamed then he started cooporating.
That's what non-lethal force weapons (including a cops fists) are for. Also, none of these recently published scum-bags were hurt (unfortunately!).
:idea:

IN2-IN2MX
11-16-2006, 08:08 AM
These officers put their lives in danger everyday, are underpaid, sacrifice too much time with their families and still get crap from the media! It sucks. :argue:
Then I love it :rolleyes: when some scumbag gets a little roughed up because he's being uncooperative and his f'in family turns around and sues the crap out of the department! What kinda backerwards crap thinking is that! These criminals break the law, fight back during arrest (and possibly injure the officer) and then get paid? Ridiculous!!!! :crossx:

Mattman
11-16-2006, 08:39 AM
Hey Baja, I'd work for you any day!!

Dave C
11-16-2006, 08:43 AM
if you resist it should be mandated that you get an ass whoopin......
all of those fawkers in those videos deserved a good ol' fashion ass-whoopin, which never hurt anyone.
I say as long as the cops don't leave any permanent marks... its on.
the more they resist the more they SHOULD get whooped.
What if the cop gets injured during a struggle or car chase?

socalmoney
11-16-2006, 09:00 AM
If I were in charge, I would say:
- If they resist arrest, shoot them
- If they run, shoot them
- If they engage in a high speed chase, shoot them.
I think you would have a lot fewer difficult arrests.
:idea:
I know it feels good to say this but I highly doubt anyone here at ***boat would want to live in a country that treated it's citizens like this. Didn't we just get a hanging conviction on someone who was treating his citizens like this.
The real problem is with the complacent attitude the public has taken with people who act like this. They somehow see them as "Victims". This is the attitude we need to change. There is no peer pressure to be "Good". Society seems to give a hall pass to all these dirt bags and then when we call in the cops to deal with it they get pissed when they see what has to be done.
I only see it getting worse for cops now that everyone has video cell phones that can upload to the net right after they record something. Maybe people need to watch Cops on Fox more often so they can see the whole call, not just the hight lights.

probablecause
11-16-2006, 09:03 AM
You make it sound too simple. I think we should create more laws to stop the bad guys. :rolleyes: That's what they do in Havasu. :)
We don't need any more laws on the books; we need to actually enforce the laws we already have:
We need District Attorneys with more balls; Less liberal judges; Mandatory sentencing laws, and politicians who care more about the people they are supposed to serve than the votes.