6.4 diesel or V10,some basic math...

[riverroyal]

figuring the diesel will be about 5000$ more,and diesel is .50$ a gallon more then 87 octane,driving around 10000 miles a year it would cost me approx 1000$ more per year to own the diesel for 4 years.In never keep anything more than 4 years.The 6.4 will have approx 200ft pds more torque than the V10.I will only tow my trailer about 4 times a year,its around 12k pds.I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?

[YeLLowBoaT]

V10... you don't drive/pull enough to justify the added costs.

[riverroyal]

V10... you don't drive/pull enough to justify the added costs.
a very easy pull for the boat,which isnt heavy anyways

[SummitKarl]

isn't diesel supose to change soon to Bio..and will the new ones run on the old #2:confused: could be something to think about
I don't see the diesel being worth it at 10k mi per yr.
get the V10 and a lic plate saying "HADADSL":D

[riverroyal]

isn't diesel supose to change soon to Bio..and will the new ones run on the old #2:confused: could be something to think about
I don't see the diesel being worth it at 10k mi per yr.
get the V10 and a lic plate saying "HADADSL":D
how bout 6.0NOMO

[Mandelon]

Why even bother with a v10? You should get a Prius. :D Give a hoot, don't pollute.

[YeLLowBoaT]

V10inch :D

[STV_Keith]

If you discredit the obvious power advantages of the diesel, then you would be right. But then again, you want the Frod, so maybe there isn't an obvious power advantage. :D

[reDECKulous]

Diesel has a much higher resale

[Hustler]

I have a V10 in my truck and have no problem towing my 32' Warrior. it does suck the fuel down but it's hard to justify the cost of a diesel and the added cost of the diesel fuel.

[KineticoH20]

figuring the diesel will be about 5000$ more,and diesel is .50$ a gallon more then 87 octane,driving around 10000 miles a year it would cost me approx 1000$ more per year to own the diesel for 4 years.In never keep anything more than 4 years.The 6.4 will have approx 200ft pds more torque than the V10.I will only tow my trailer about 4 times a year,its around 12k pds.I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?
Since when does something have to pay for itself? I wanted a diesel so I bought one if you want one buy one, but don't justify it by compairing it to a v-10. Two different animals, you could buy a used truck 15k less than the v-10 so whats the point, buy what you want because any vehicle is a shrinking pile of money.

[riverroyal]

If you discredit the obvious power advantages of the diesel, then you would be right. But then again, you want the Frod, so maybe there isn't an obvious power advantage. :D
you dont have a ford?:D

[boatnam2]

well if the new dsl is like the old dsl your screwed.i know your probaly saying that its the new motor and is better....that is what they said when they came out with probaly the biggest piece of shiit motor 6.0 and got rid of the 7.3 that kicked ass imo.so i would at least wait unitil someone else tests them out or go with the v-10.i sold my dsl and bought a 1/2 ton trying to save a buck boy was i dissapointed last weekend hauling a quad and rhino.

[riverroyal]

Since when does something have to pay for itself? I wanted a diesel so I bought one if you want one buy one, but don't justify it by compairing it to a v-10. Two different animals, you could buy a used truck 15k less than the v-10 so whats the point, buy what you want because any vehicle is a shrinking pile of money.
as soon as my 05' diesel gets out of the shop,I have a bad taste in my mouth right now.The trucks are totally different,they lo:D ok nothing like the focus rental Im driving now

[SummitKarl]

how bout 6.0NOMO
how about
NODRIPS:D
or
NOSTINK

[shadow]

figuring the diesel will be about 5000$ more,and diesel is .50$ a gallon more then 87 octane,driving around 10000 miles a year it would cost me approx 1000$ more per year to own the diesel for 4 years.In never keep anything more than 4 years.The 6.4 will have approx 200ft pds more torque than the V10.I will only tow my trailer about 4 times a year,its around 12k pds.I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?
Figure mileage with the V10 6.8 liter Ford in an excursion i get 10miles per gallon.
Up hills,down hills,towing no matter what i average 10MPG.It's beeen like that
4 yrs straight.Has no problem towing my boat anywhere.

[riverroyal]

Figure mileage with the V10 6.8 liter Ford in an excursion i get 10miles per gallon.
Up hills,down hills,towing no matter what i average 10MPG.It's beeen like that
4 yrs straight.Has no problem towing my boat anywhere.
what the word on the 6.4??? Remember the overheating issues I had before the innercooler went bad??Well now im on oil leak number 5,all bad leaks,any chance the heat issues are causing leaks?

[77charger]

New motor from ford or a proven v10 from ford!!remember all the probs the 6.0 had or has:D

[JB in so cal]

Get an Izusu stake bed.

[SummitKarl]

Figure mileage with the V10 6.8 liter Ford in an excursion i get 10miles per gallon.
Up hills,down hills,towing no matter what i average 10MPG.It's beeen like that
4 yrs straight.Has no problem towing my boat anywhere.
there you have it, the authority on the matter bought the V10:D
I am guessing oil changes are a bit less then the diesels too;)

[shadow]

what the word on the 6.4??? Remember the overheating issues I had before the innercooler went bad??Well now im on oil leak number 5,all bad leaks,any chance the heat issues are causing leaks?
Not likely.They are notorious for leaking oil.Should be able to have all the oil leaks fixed in one visit though.
No word on the 6.4 yet.We are kept in the dark until they show up at our Dealership.Hopefully they won't have as many issues.

[riverroyal]

Get an Izusu stake bed.
open????

[Baja Big Dog]

Why ask a question you already answered, are you really gonna make a 40k decision based on Hot Boats Forum input?
This forum will normally give you the negitive results based on a few (or more than a few) peoples input, the piece of shit leaked, the window switch failed, the wipers didnt work etc.
Ive said it before, Ford sold 1.3 million diesel trucks since 2002, more than twice as many as Chevy and Dodge. I think you will get a few negitive results.
If you keep a truck for 4 years it would be a no brainer, get the small V8, you wouldnt even need the V10 for towing your boat a couple of miles a year.

[SummitKarl]

Get an Izusu stake bed.
I had a 84 Izusu PUP diesel. 40 hp and 52mpg:mad:

[JB in so cal]

open????
What are you talking about?
The toughest part when I was buying my V 10 was finding one in the state close to how I wanted it.
I average around 12-13 back and forth to Havazu - around 10 in town.

[riverroyal]

there you have it, the authority on the matter bought the V10:D
I am guessing oil changes are a bit less the the diesels too;)
02 V10 excursion,traded it in on my current diesel.It was trouble free.Diesel oil changes are around 100$,plus the oil in the new ones is different,sulfer free or something,so it will be more expensive

[riverroyal]

What are you talking about?
The toughest part when I was buying my V 10 was finding one in the state close to how I wanted it.
I average around 12-13 back and forth to Havazu - around 10 in town.
of going back to a V10 is the crap you will give me after I told you to get a diesel!

[HM]

I have a V-10 with 130K on it and it runs like a champ. Very smooth running engine, no smell, and no black puffs of smoke. If you want to run 87 octane in the Ford V-10, you need to clean the mass-airflow sensor almost yearly. Not a big deal, but makes a huge difference in performance if it ignored for too long.

[JB in so cal]

of going back to a V10 is the crap you will give me after I told you to get a diesel!
:rollside: :hammer2: :cool: :coffeycup :cool: :idea:

[JB in so cal]

Why don't you come and get mine - drive it around for a while.

[Big Kahunaa]

Get an Izusu stake bed.
that is a duramax

[riverroyal]

Why don't you come and get mine - drive it around for a while.
I know how it is.Desert time is gone in my life,so Im not sure we need the power.

[4DAY4PLAY]

Here in so cal diesel's are more of a trendy concept than necessity. If you lived on a ranch in Texas and hauled horses, and heavy loads everyday, id say get the diesel for the little more power, mpg, and (usually) durability. Here in so cal they just look and sound cool. Remember, diesels need to be driven!!! Why do you think so many people have fuel injector problems? They dont drive them enough. They like to be driven, long distances, not short quick trips, they like to be warmed up before driving, and not shut off quickly afterwords. With that in mind, when shopping for an SUV for my wife (who doesnt drive alot of miles) i went with the 8.1(chevy) instead of the diesel excursion.

[dumbandyoung]

I considered buying a V10. The reason I opted to go with the Powerstroke was for towing and because they sound bad ass..lol. I tow my boat up to the river 2 weekends a month in the summer...And this summer I will have a much bigger boat than the previous year. With the diesel you get a lot more mpg when towing and I wanted the power going up the pass and the grades before Needles. If you leave your boat at the river all summer in storage I would say get the V10 with a 4x4.
just my .02:D

[blown65]

They did a dyno day, not sure where but the new 08 did 630tq to the wheels. The factory number of 650 flywheels seems maybe a tad low. Hp was 274, which rated at 350 flywheel really isnt too far off.

[Riverkid]

as soon as my 05' diesel gets out of the shop,I have a bad taste in my mouth right now.The trucks are totally different,they lo:D ok nothing like the focus rental Im driving now
That's why you epoxied the garage floor. Get over it! :D
STV Keith sold me the stuff to hotrod mine, and it runs perfect. 60K and counting...

[BarryMac]

02 V10 excursion,traded it in on my current diesel.It was trouble free.Diesel oil changes are around 100$,plus the oil in the new ones is different,sulfer free or something,so it will be more expensive
You must havce SUCKER stamped on your forehead...
I can change mine for under $40, do it yourself you pansie ass...:mad: :D

[cc322]

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php This is where you will find better answers to your question not here. BTW I love my 03 V10, only average 10,000 a year as well. And the old saying that diesel has a better resale value, it should you paid more for it up front anyhow:confused:

[dumbandyoung]

02 V10 excursion,traded it in on my current diesel.It was trouble free.Diesel oil changes are around 100$,plus the oil in the new ones is different,sulfer free or something,so it will be more expensive
Dude changing the oil on a powerstroke is easy. like a 10 minute job. the filter is on top of the motor for easy access. It cost me about $45 to change it and thats every 7500miles

[Sotally Tober]

If you want to get what you want get the diesel. If you want wants makes cents, get the v10. I wouldn't get rid of my diesel. Like it too much. I 'm thinking of getting a 1/2 ton for just driving around town. Save the oil burner for just pulling the boat around.

[RiverRatMike]

go with the V10. Awesome motor! I currently have 120K plus miles on my F-250 and runs and pulls my 35ft trailer with the Rhino in the bed with the greatest of ease.

[bwillieb]

.......At the Quarter Horse World Trade Show......Nov. '06 (Ok. City)........Ford had an extensive display of their new wares..........I didn't think much about it until I noticed a cutaway of a twin turbo'd diesel..........In speaking at length with Ford's rep....I gathered that much more developement and testing has been done on the 6.4 than was done on the 6.0.......He acknowledged the hit or miss, black eye the 6.0 has given Ford in the diesel market............and believed Ford was not going to let this happen again........although based on the 6.0 block..........the 6.4 cutaway I was looking at had more than a million hard test miles on it before it was given over to Ford Marketing........very minimal signs of wear..........It may turn out to be a great motor...........but what concerns me about all the mfg's new diesels is that they will be smog motors..........Diesels, having been virtually smog exempt all these years, could possibly be in for function and reliability issues in the smog component area for awhile?................

[skygod73]

You will get the extra money you spend on the Diesel at purchase back when it's time to sell. It will sell much faster also. I've had both, and the Diesels always sell faster and for 3-5K more than a similiar gasser. The only downside is the cost of fuel, and oil changes. With the increased mileage the fuel cost is probably a wash. If your gonna keep it though, the longevity of the diesel can't be beat.

[HammerDown]

If your gonna keep it though, the longevity of the diesel can't be beat.
I would say the above applies more to the older non emission Diesels vs the newer ones ...not to mention the older fuel lubricated the IP much better then the new Ultra Low Sulfer can ever hope to. The new Diesels are no way proven like the older engines.
Heck, local mechanics Ford/Chevy/Dodge can't even fix'em right, far to complicated.:rolleyes:
And God forbid owning one out of warrantee...my neighbor just got a taste of that...OUCH...:sqeyes:

[lawbreaker2]

I have a 2000 7.3, and love it, I don't care about fuel mileage, As I look good in it, and everybody buying them, all the stars have them, so why not me:D But anyway, I plan on keeping mine for a long time, I have 155,000+ on my and no problems yet, I also put a 30 ft race car trailer with mine, so I need it to tow, but thats no all to often. Now I just have to get a Rhino.

[wright27]

figuring the diesel will be about 5000$ more,and diesel is .50$ a gallon more then 87 octane,driving around 10000 miles a year it would cost me approx 1000$ more per year to own the diesel for 4 years.In never keep anything more than 4 years.The 6.4 will have approx 200ft pds more torque than the V10.I will only tow my trailer about 4 times a year,its around 12k pds.I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?
Those figures don't make sense.
10,000 miles per year / 18 mpg = 555.55 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
555.55 * 3.15 per gallon = $1,749.98 for diesel for the year.
10,000 miles per year / 13 mpg = 769.23 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
769.23 * 2.55 per gallon = $1,961.53 for gas for the year.
Looks to me that the v-10 will cost more for the year. If you throw in two oil changes your still less for the diesel than the v-10. Cheaper and more power, sounds like a no brainer to me.:D

[HammerDown]

Those figures don't make sense.
10,000 miles per year / 18 mpg = 555.55 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
555.55 * 3.15 per gallon = $1,749.98 for diesel for the year.
10,000 miles per year / 13 mpg = 769.23 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
769.23 * 2.55 per gallon = $1,961.53 for gas for the year.
Looks to me that the v-10 will cost more for the year. If you throw in two oil changes your still less for the diesel than the v-10. Cheaper and more power, sounds like a no brainer to me.:D
The (newer) Diesel owners and, it better be a manual trany, that are actually seeing the above numbers are far and few between...and (most are all BIG fish stories:rolleyes: ) especially when they forget about the BS reading their overhead is showing (usually high) and do the calculations by hand. Then it's a rude awakening!
I don't know of any 06 or newer Diesels with the exception of (maybe) a Duramax Manual that's getting 18 mpg downhill with a strong tail wind.
You also failed to add in the high cost of fuel filters for one of these new Diesels...$$$
Sorry but, if you're going to use that newer Diesel to drive around town as a grocery getter or go to Wal*Mart and not going to *work* that engine everyday like it is intended...it's a waste of money. And just wait till that CEL comes on...that should be some real fun.
I've had one for over 20 years...won't buy another not unless fuel is once again much lower than regular grade gas or...I need to tow/work that Diesel EVERYDAY ;)

[Riverkid]

My '05 6.0 gets 14.6 MPG. Towing or not. Usually right under 500 miles on the trip odo and it just about always takes 34 to fillup... 35's with an AFE, catback and the edge...

[wright27]

The (newer) Diesel owners and, it better be a manual trany, that are actually seeing the above numbers are far and few between...and (most are all BIG fish stories:rolleyes: ) especially when they forget about the BS reading their overhead is showing (usually high) and do the calculations by hand. Then it's a rude awakening!
I don't know of any 06 or newer Diesels with the exception of (maybe) a Duramax Manual that's getting 18 mpg downhill with a strong tail wind.
You also failed to add in the high cost of fuel filters for one of these new Diesels...$$$
Sorry but, if you're going to use that newer Diesel to drive around town as a grocery getter or go to Wal*Mart and not going to *work* that engine everyday like it is intended...it's a waste of money. And just wait till that CEL comes on...that should be some real fun.
I've had one for over 20 years...won't buy another not unless fuel is once again much lower than regular grade gas or...I need to tow/work that Diesel EVERYDAY ;)
Go buy the new Duramax and then talk miles per gallon with me. I get 18 + on the freeway all day long.
I am also under the impression he will be using the truck for towing, not for picking up groceries.
If it is for just driving around town then buy a Ranger.

[blown65]

Ya, my 05 2500 dmax with 36" tires on the trip to Seattle got 18mpg (Hand Calculated, since I was running an edge chip and predator for speedo adj)
My speedo was within 1 mph of radar. Coming back with the 28' Daytona we got 13mpg.
Just for comparison, our 07 Denali got 17-18mpg going up. Sad part that POS towing our EMPTY featherlite car trailer got 8. Ya, 8mpg. Thats an alum vnosed trailer. Gas just sucks when it comes to towing.
My pile of shit GM 5500 gets 8.5 no matter wtf I haul with it. I need to find a big ass cliff to drive that pile of crap off of. GM has pissed me off so bad with the thing I doubt I can bring myself to buy another gm product. (sad too, I have like 5k in money on my damn GM card. GRR)

[dumbandyoung]

so have you made up your mind?

[riverroyal]

Those figures don't make sense.
10,000 miles per year / 18 mpg = 555.55 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
555.55 * 3.15 per gallon = $1,749.98 for diesel for the year.
10,000 miles per year / 13 mpg = 769.23 gallons to go 10,000 miles a year
769.23 * 2.55 per gallon = $1,961.53 for gas for the year.
Looks to me that the v-10 will cost more for the year. If you throw in two oil changes your still less for the diesel than the v-10. Cheaper and more power, sounds like a no brainer to me.:D
the diesel cost about 5 more,but it will also sell for 5000 more used.So yes,my numbers maybe off.I divided 5000 over 4 years,typical lenght I keep trucks.

[riverroyal]

so have you made up your mind?
I pick it up tommorrow from more repairs,the current 6.0

[JB in so cal]

I pick it up tommorrow from more repairs,the current 6.0
Just have them give you a handy - call it even:)
"Cashier to the service drive, cashier to the service drive...LOL!":eek:

[riverroyal]

Just have them give you a handy - call it even:)
"Cashier to the service drive, cashier to the service drive...LOL!":eek:
not a good deal.........

[JB in so cal]

not a good deal.........
Begin the negotiations there...

[riverroyal]

Begin the negotiations there...
from barrett jackson

[NashvilleBound]

The upcharge is closer to $6000 making your numbers even worse. I am contemplating the same thing...... Thats what makes the new Denali SUV so attractive at 380hp. Let me know what you decide.....like always I will follow in your footsteps......

[probablecause]

I would never buy a first year motor - period! I don't care how much r&d has been put into it. The real test will be for several years to come. The 6.0's suck and they still can't figure them out. Geeze, that is why Ford abandoned them. Get a last year truck from 7.3 Diesel family.

[dumbandyoung]

Just have them give you a handy - call it even:)
"Cashier to the service drive, cashier to the service drive...LOL!":eek:
haha or see if she'll go ass to mouth:D
riverroyal, then you can slap her with a sexual harassment and get free repairs for life from the dealer:D

[XTRM22]

I have 109,000 miles on the V-10 in my F350 and it has never missed a beat. Mileage is down on it right now, Shadow thinks it might be due to my never changing the plugs or the fuel filter in 109,000 miles. Oops better get that done! up until a year or so ago I got 13 mpg highway (70ish) and 10-11 around town.
Chuck

[DMOORE]

I would never buy a first year motor - period! I don't care how much r&d has been put into it. The real test will be for several years to come. The 6.0's suck and they still can't figure them out. Geeze, that is why Ford abandoned them. Get a last year truck from 7.3 Diesel family.
Words of wisdom. How many times have we seen this " first year" problem.
Darrell.

[slingingsmoke]

I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?
FWIW...I've never even met anyone w/ a Ford that has gotten 18mpg.
I say screw both the V10 and the 6.4 and call Jay and get yourself into a 6.6:idea:

[DMOORE]

FWIW...I've never even met anyone w/ a Ford that has gotten 18mpg.
I say screw both the V10 and the 6.4 and call Jay and get yourself into a 6.6:idea:
A buddy of mine has a Duratech, and when he tows, it is about the same as me towing with my Navigator. That really p****d him off.
Darrell.

[HM]

I have 109,000 miles on the V-10 in my F350 and it has never missed a beat. Mileage is down on it right now, Shadow thinks it might be due to my never changing the plugs or the fuel filter in 109,000 miles. Oops better get that done! up until a year or so ago I got 13 mpg highway (70ish) and 10-11 around town.
Chuck
Check your mass airflow sensor - it may need to be cleaned. Common problem.

[Zaairman]

The upcharge is closer to $6000 making your numbers even worse. I am contemplating the same thing...... Thats what makes the new Denali SUV so attractive at 380hp. Let me know what you decide.....like always I will follow in your footsteps......
Actuall, it's a $6,545 upgrade. But I still want one. :D
http://www.commtruck.ford.com/ctw/Build_fs.asp?Acode=USB80FOT13HC0

[TOBTEK]

figuring the diesel will be about 5000$ more,and diesel is .50$ a gallon more then 87 octane,driving around 10000 miles a year it would cost me approx 1000$ more per year to own the diesel for 4 years.In never keep anything more than 4 years.The 6.4 will have approx 200ft pds more torque than the V10.I will only tow my trailer about 4 times a year,its around 12k pds.I also figured the V10 at 13mpg and the diesel at 18mpg.
Also my track record with diesels aint so hot,my driveway still has a rental on it......any thoughts?
DONT FORGET.... IF your going to lease this new truck, your paying on the depreciation(sp?) over the term. Im guessing the V10 will take alot larger hit then the diesel. Need to take your payment into account as well. Sometimes a lower priced vehicle can cost more per month on leasing programs. Just get a F650 crewcab, and call it good. Or get a GMC..... my last two have been awesome :)

[slingingsmoke]

A buddy of mine has a Duratech, and when he tows, it is about the same as me towing with my Navigator. That really p****d him off.
Darrell.
towing my boat loaded w/ fuel and 5 folks in truck (06 d-max) I average 15.5mpg. Keep in mind i have to get up and over the grapevine anytime I go anywhere!

[Screemy1]

I have a 1995 dodge with a 8.0 v10. I have 112k miles now, best thing ever, the mileage never changes towing or not, tows anything, runs perfect.... I have had it since 1999 when I got it, it had 39k miles.... I have replaced the brakes, rotors twice, changed the plugs, wires and flushed the coolant..... I just put a new battery in it two weeks ago.... that battery I replaced was date coded to 1997 and was the battery that was in it when I bought it in 1999. That is all...... no breakdowns, left me stranded..... nothing..... I would love a new truck, but this thing has never let me down......

[riverroyal]

my fixed truck.I spoke with the sales manager there and KEN GRODY himself,the owner.Lets just say the they arent dealing on the 08s,if you want one fo rnext few months its gonna cost ya.I may sticking with my POS or getting a lemon lawyer.

[JB in so cal]

my fixed truck.I spoke with the sales manager there and KEN GRODY himself,the owner.Lets just say the they arent dealing on the 08s,if you want one fo rnext few months its gonna cost ya.I may sticking with my POS or getting a lemon lawyer.
If I were you, I'd get a GOOD lawyer:D

[riverroyal]

If I were you, I'd get a GOOD lawyer:D
days:D

[blown65]

my fixed truck.I spoke with the sales manager there and KEN GRODY himself,the owner.Lets just say the they arent dealing on the 08s,if you want one fo rnext few months its gonna cost ya.I may sticking with my POS or getting a lemon lawyer.
There is some that are. We ordered ours at nearly 6k off msrp.