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anxious
02-15-2007, 10:59 PM
MIAMI (AFP) - Tim Hardaway, who spent 13 seasons in the NBA, was removed from league-related appearances, one day after an anti-gay tirade on a local radio program.
Hardaway responded to a question on WAXY about former NBA player John Amaechi and the Englishman's admission of homosexuality with a hard-line stance against gay players in the NBA.
"I hate gay people," Hardaway said. "I let it be known I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States sports."
A statement from NBA commissioner David Stern to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel said Hardaway has been removed from league-related appearances connected with Sunday's NBA All-Star Game in Las Vegas.
"It is inappropriate for him to be representing us given the disparity between his views and ours," Stern said.
Hardaway, who played for the Miami Heat from 1996-2001 before ending his career in 2003 with Indiana, was part of an NBA community program in Las Vegas.
Amaechi, whose book on his closeted life in the NBA was published Wednesday, would not have been someone Hardaway wanted as a teammate.
"First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team. And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right," Hardaway said.
"You know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that. There's a lot of other people I hear who are like that and still in the closet. I don't like that."
Amaechi has said there are other gay players in the NBA currently so it is entirely possible Hardaway has had homosexual teammates and not even known it.
Hardaway, who told a Miami television station he would not speak to a gay family member, apologized for his comments in a statement.
"I want to apologize for my comments yesterday regarding gays," Hardaway's statement said. "My comments were offensive and I regret making them. I'm sorry to anyone I have offended."
Beyond mere issues of locker room trust and bonds among teammates, Amaechi said Hardaway's words of anger and intimidation show why gay people worry about making their sexual orientation public.
"It now allows people to take off those rose-colored glasses and understand that homophobia is a problem not only in sports but society," Amaechi told sports TV network ESPN, publishers of his book.
"Spewing vitriol isn't something we should give credit to (for sparking discussion). Society is not for that. One man has made hundreds of thousands of people now feel uncomfortable, unsafe, feel they should hide and run.
"What he has done has made life more difficult, perhaps more dangerous, for people in society, not just in sports. His views embolden those who hold the same views.
"When he depersonalizes it, it's not just a foolish comment. It's a foolish comment that echoes around the country.
"People will feel under pressure, like they are under attack. They will feel anxious. They will know there's a face and a voice for all those people out there who hate them.
"I don't know how that can be conducive to any kind of society at all."
Amaechi, who is black, rejects the idea of mere tolerance for gays, saying "I have no interest in being tolerated" as a black or gay person.
Amaechi said that while response to his revelation has been overwhelmingly positive, Hardaway's comments touched of a wave of threatening anti-gay messages beyond what he had been receiving.
"Every comment that (Hardaway) made is labeled with hate," Amaechi said. "The percentage of e-mails I've received overnight that are going to have to go into a little box somewhere just in case I end up dead are unbelievable.
"He has been a lightning rod for people to finally open the floodgates and decide that they can say some pretty awful stuff."
Hardaway, a five-time NBA All-Star who averaged 17.7 points and 8.2 assists a game in his career, drew Amaechi's ire for his hateful message.
"These are the comments that create the atmosphere that allow some of the tragic incidents of homophobia that we've seen," Amaechi said.
"This is what makes the lives of gay and lesbian young people in schools miserable. It's what stops gay and lesbian people in the workplace from coming out as well as the fact they can be fined in 33 states for being gay."

HaulinAss
02-16-2007, 03:29 AM
Yeah no shit what did he say that was all that bad? He said HE didnt like them,that HE didnt want to be around them,shit like that.He never really "came out" and said any derrogitory shit about the sally's.................
I think banning dude from that shit was gayer than the dude he was referring to

SmokinLowriderSS
02-16-2007, 04:09 AM
Yea, only "popular", or "acceptable" speech is "free" anymore, which really pushes one of my buttons. :mad:
If he was gay, and said he hated Straight people, You wouldn't have heard a thing about it.
Same is he had said he hated whites.
The other part that annoys me is that he isn't man enough to hold his position when the heat came in. He's been all appologizing and saying he didn't mean it ever since he said it.
I don't personally share his feelings on the subject, but I will stand up for my beliefs untill I decide to change them, not lie to claim I do not have them.
Dude should man up and stand up for himself, right or wrong, and say "Look, this is how I feel, like it, agree with it, or not. It is me, and untill I decide I do not feel this way anymore, it IS how I feel."
THAT is integrity, not backtracking to lie your way out of a hole you willingly jumped into.

HEDJUG
02-16-2007, 04:18 AM
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means not getting locked up for your words, but it has nothing to do with how the private sector will react. The NBA is a buisness & what he said is not really good for buisness.

mickeyfinn
02-16-2007, 05:42 AM
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means not getting locked up for your words, but it has nothing to do with how the private sector will react. The NBA is a buisness & what he said is not really good for buisness.
Agreed.....Freedom of speech gives you the right to express yourself without fear from persecution by the government. Your employer may choose to limit those expressions while you are "representing".

sangervdrive
02-16-2007, 09:19 AM
It's what stops gay and lesbian people in the workplace from coming out as well as the fact they can be fined in 33 states for being gay.
Did anyone catch this part? What the hell are they talking about? By the way I think its bull that he apologizes for it, If thats what you think then who cares don't apologize.

HCS
02-16-2007, 09:36 AM
People can't handle the fact that he told it how he sees it!! God forbid someone speaks their mind.
More politicians should be that way then we'd know who they really are.

jbone
02-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Like said, freedom of speech allows you to say what you want without prosecution. However, if public opinion can affect your income, shut your mouth.
Look at the Dixie Chicks. They said what they wanted, and they lost a ton of money.
I don't have a problem with what he said, but I also don't have a problem with the NBA taking the action they did. They don't want someone with that much public exposure saying things like that.
In other words, enjoy the freedom to say what you want, but it will cost you if it pisses someone off.
J

bigq
02-16-2007, 10:38 AM
Sounds like he had full freedom to speak to me. Look it up it doesn't say you won't take shit for that freedom. People just don't get it.:rolleyes:

460 jus getn it
02-16-2007, 10:53 AM
People can't handle the fact that he told it how he sees it!! God forbid someone speaks their mind.
More politicians should be that way then we'd know who they really are.
Bingo, FREEDOM of speach. I look at it this way, he just said what alot of other people are to scared to say.

HCS
02-16-2007, 11:37 AM
I think being homo or the designer term gay is socially unacceptable.
That's just my opinion. http://www.***boat.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
You know that every time they put Gay issues on the ballot in Calif. the issue is rejected by the voters big time. Last time Gay marriage was on the ballot it failed by like 80%. Accept in San Fransico, reason obvious.
I'm not arguing with the socially unacceptable people, if you want to be weird so be it.
Just don't force your life style on other people. Go live with your problem on your own or maybe get some psychological help.

ratso
02-16-2007, 11:44 AM
I think being homo or the designer term gay is socially unacceptable.
That's just my opinion. http://www.***boat.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
You know that every time they put Gay issues on the ballot in Calif. the issue is rejected by the voters big time. Last time Gay marriage was on the ballot it failed by like 80%. Accept in San Fransico, reason obvious.
I'm not arguing with the socially unacceptable people, if you want to be weird so be it.
Just don't force your life style on other people. Go live with your problem on your own or maybe get some psychological help.
Bingo...

Biglue
02-16-2007, 11:59 AM
Bingo, FREEDOM of speach. I look at it this way, he just said what alot of other people are to scared to say.
I thought you and Lucky would have been among the offended. :D

kmenard
02-16-2007, 12:01 PM
He is free to be an ignorant hateful biggot, the NBA is free to not pay some one to be a spokesperson for that.
Thats the way freedom of speech works. Look up the forefathers some day and see the price they paid for freedom.
Its free, but it aint cheap.
I have to question any one so scared of where a person puts his winky though when said winky isn't directed at them. Remember, it wasn't that long ago oral sex was seen as a perversion.

Biglue
02-16-2007, 12:05 PM
Just don't force your life style on other people. Go live with your problem on your own or maybe get some psychological help.
Awsome point. Being gay is not a bad thing anymore. It's acceptable, but I don't want to see it as mainstream. Be yourself but have some discretion about it. This is my mindset as I have young kids that I feel should have to have this sort of thing explained to them. I don't think kids should be exposed to seeing flaming homo affection in public or by public figures. "Hey pop, why are those two guys holding hands like you and mom?".......pretty hard to explain, wouldn't you say? Just my .02.

Biglue
02-16-2007, 12:06 PM
He is free to be an ignorant hateful biggot, the NBA is free to not pay some one to be a spokesperson for that.
Thats the way freedom of speech works. Look up the forefathers some day and see the price they paid for freedom.
Its free, but it aint cheap.
I have to question any one so scared of where a person puts his winky though when said winky isn't directed at them. Remember, it wasn't that long ago oral sex was seen as a perversion.
Big difference. Everyone was having oral sex. Not everyone was taking it in the ass. Again, just my .02.

kmenard
02-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Awsome point. Being gay is not a bad thing anymore. It's acceptable, but I don't want to see it as mainstream. Be yourself but have some discretion about it. This is my mindset as I have young kids that I feel should have to have this sort of thing explained to them. I don't think kids should be exposed to seeing flaming homo affection in public or by public figures. "Hey pop, why are those two guys holding hands like you and mom?".......pretty hard to explain, wouldn't you say? Just my .02.
No harder than explaining all the girl on girl porn they will find on your puter :)
Maybe its because I have a lot of friends who are gay that I have just come to realize its just no big deal.
I really believe its just how you are born...just like why we like women, and what they do has no effect on me, and just because your kid sees 2 men together, doesn't mean he is going to say...boy that looks like fun any more than you are.
Of course, I don't want my kid to see two people mauling each other in public no matter what the sex.

Biglue
02-16-2007, 12:28 PM
No harder than explaining all the girl on girl porn they will find on your puter :)
We've already has the "father and son" talk. That's perfectly acceptable. :D
Maybe its because I have a lot of friends who are gay that I have just come to realize its just no big deal.
I really believe its just how you are born...just like why we like women, and what they do has no effect on me, and just because your kid sees 2 men together, doesn't mean he is going to say...boy that looks like fun any more than you are.
I think I know a closet gay. I have no problems with it either. I just don't want to see it as mainstream is all. Every fokn network has some show with an actor portraying a gay role. Again, what people do is their business. I just don't want to know about it. If 2 men make each other happy, hey more power to them. I wish them many happy years. I just dont want to see it.
Of course, I don't want my kid to see two people mauling each other in public no matter what the sex.
I didn't say all that. There is such a thing as overly affectionate in public regardless of sexual orientation. But you have to admit, it would be much harder to explain 2 men or 2 women going at it. ;)

Boozer
02-16-2007, 12:54 PM
I wonder if he is now changing his tune and saying he's sorry and so forth because his boyfriend got really offended by what he said?

My Man's Sportin' Wood
02-16-2007, 05:41 PM
I think he is entitled to his opinion. If his boss wants to censure him for it, that is their business.