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cdog
04-20-2007, 10:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html
Nugent: Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster
By Ted Nugent
Special to CNN
Editor's note: Rock guitarist Ted Nugent has sold more than 30 million albums. He's also a gun rights activist and serves on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association. His program, "Ted Nugent Spirit of the Wild," can be seen on the Outdoor Channel.
Read an opposing take on gun control from journalist Tom Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms
WACO, Texas (CNN) -- Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.
Anybody see what theevil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.
Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.
A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.
At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.
More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.
My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.
She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.
No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.
Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.
Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.
Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in illegal possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun law. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.
Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?
I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.
Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.
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Read an opposing point of view from journalist Tom Plate:Let's lay down our right to bear arms

charitycase
04-20-2007, 10:33 AM
Uncle Ted for President

NOTALENT
04-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Hell yeah! To bad its having to come to this. Hopefully more people like Ted Keep speaking out and someday we are like Texas and able to carry arms. Screw all this banning shit!

Jetaholic
04-20-2007, 11:09 AM
The laws of life:
1) Ted Nugent Rules!!!
2) Gun Control is with both hands
3) Gun laws are only followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!!! They will never stop the OUTLAWS and CRIMINALS!!! We are defenseless against their power due to anti-gun laws!!!
4) Sarah Brady is a dirty hore!!!
5) Anyone wants to take away my guns they can kiss my fukkin' ass!!!
6) Ted Nugent Rules!!!!
'Nuff said? :D

SB
04-20-2007, 11:37 AM
I support the rights of gun owners though I do not own one myself.
This tragedy is poor timing for a gun control debate.
Having said that, I would guess that is unlikely that someone happening on the scene with a concealed weapon would shoot and kill the perp in a tv-like gunfight without shooting bystanders.

DeltaSigBoater
04-20-2007, 11:58 AM
We need more people like Ted Nugent.

cdog
04-20-2007, 12:28 PM
I support the rights of gun owners though I do not own one myself.
This tragedy is poor timing for a gun control debate.
Having said that, I would guess that is unlikely that someone happening on the scene with a concealed weapon would shoot and kill the perp in a tv-like gunfight without shooting bystanders.
It's a rebuttal to the nee jerk reaction of liberal morons that blame an inanimate object for a societal problem. Carolyn McCarthy submitted a bill that day. She doesn’t even know what the hell she's talking about. See clip>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

YeLLowBoaT
04-20-2007, 12:32 PM
sad part in all this is legally the could not even buy a gun, yet he got checked twice( each time he purchused a gun) if we could enforces the laws we already have....

seanv
04-20-2007, 01:12 PM
ted nuggent for president!!!!
i think if a ccw person were on scene at v-tech there would be a few more survivors. a law abiding citizen would take long slow aim not spray n pray like a criminal!!

SmokinLowriderSS
04-21-2007, 06:11 AM
The laws of life:
1) Ted Nugent Rules!!!
2) Gun Control is with both hands
3) Gun laws are only followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!!! They will never stop the OUTLAWS and CRIMINALS!!! We are defenseless against their power due to anti-gun laws!!!
4) Sarah Brady is a dirty hore!!!
5) Anyone wants to take away my guns they can kiss my fukkin' ass!!!
6) Ted Nugent Rules!!!!
'Nuff said? :D
Yes, you covered it.

SmokinLowriderSS
04-21-2007, 06:23 AM
sad part in all this is legally the could not even buy a gun, yet he got checked twice( each time he purchused a gun) if we could enforces the laws we already have....
Yes, he could, and did.
He was of age.
He DID NOT HAVE anything in his reccord making his mental instability an issue.
Everyone kept his mental/attitude issues under the table, by RECCOMENDING he get counciling, by ADVISING he seek help, not legally forcing it, which WOULD have made him enelligable. He has no LEGAL history of mental/DV/anti-social issues, only a SOCIAL history of it.
Now, whether that process was correct or not, is a separate discussion, and, IMO, in this case, it was not, but, the problem will always be, do you LEGALLY RECCORD, every single incident, no matter how small, just to insure you have every base covered? What do you allow to pass to not wreck future life?
Where do you split the hairs?
Have a vocal, loud arguement with a spouse,b/f,g/f, there's POTENTIAL DV, record it, confiscate no longer legal-to-own firearms, bar future purchases? And from which person, or just jack up both people, just to fill in bases.
BTW, this just ruins every LEO carreer that has a loud argument with the above-mentioned relationships due to current laws on the books.
Let everyone defend themselves, period, in the manner they choose.
If they prefer diplomacy with a cup of coffee, fine. See where that gets you against a pissed off psychopath with a Glock.
I prefer diplomacy with a loaded and locked 1911 for backup.

Bow Tie Omega
04-21-2007, 07:28 AM
You know, I have spent quite a few years around guns. Almost 6 years in the military, 2 years flying CSAR/NSW, my Baretta 9mm was a part of my flight gear, GAU 17 gatlin guns on the bird, 2- 50 cals, and of course the 12 gauge with not so legal modifications, but kept in the armory none the less. I have had a lot of fun with guns in the military. BUt to be honest, I had a problem with having them in my home. I have that memory of living in Mission Viejo as a kid when Richard "Night Stalker" Ramirez was running around doing his business. My dad purchased a 12 gauge shot gun with Richards name on the slugs, just in case he ever made it into our home. I got up one night to use the bathroom and called out to my dad that I was going to the bathroom. He did not answer, I tried several times, I could hear him snoring. SO I started to walk and heard the "KAH KAH", To which I said "Dad, it is me". I just about pissed myself. He was so upset with me, but I did what he told me, he just forgot to wake up.
That memory has sat with me and while My dad was doing what he needed to protect us, I being on the other end of that shot gun has allowed me to think of how my kids would feel if I ever did the same. I have also seen what not only a gun shot can do to a human being on many occasions, having worked in a busy county ER for several years and during my military service, but the lives it effects as a result, the parents, the wife, the kids. BUt the more and more I see this crap go on, I have come to realize the only people that gun control will effect are the responsible members of society who follow the rules and purchase a gun thru proper channels. The simple fact of the matter is that any dirt bag on the street that really wants a gun can get one. Another tidbit, the majority of gun crimes are perpetrated with guns that have been stolen or obtained thru other than legal channels.
So, my stance has officially changed. If a teacher had been carrying a gun on the V-Tech Campus, or at Columbine, the events of this past week and before may have been minimized greatly.

NuckinFutz
04-21-2007, 09:25 AM
Ted is on the money. Let's make it madatory for ALL teachers of schools to pack a gun, go through training on how to use it and then count how many pyschos go to a school looking for attention. I'd bet it would be NONE! Gun control don't work, ask England and Australia. If you don't want a gun fine, but don't prevent me and my family from having one.

MudPumper
04-21-2007, 09:53 AM
Having said that, I would guess that is unlikely that someone happening on the scene with a concealed weapon would shoot and kill the perp in a tv-like gunfight without shooting bystanders.
The possibility of bystanders getting shot cought in the middle of any gun fight is a possibility. I would rather take the chance of having a couple of friendly fire casualties stopping the threat than having 32 people executed without resistance.

MBlaster
04-21-2007, 12:07 PM
There needs to be 5 CCW'd good citizens packing where any nutball decides to go serial killer.

Racey
04-21-2007, 12:26 PM
Ted is on the money. Let's make it madatory for ALL teachers of schools to pack a gun, go through training on how to use it and then count how many pyschos go to a school looking for attention. I'd bet it would be NONE! Gun control don't work, ask England and Australia. If you don't want a gun fine, but don't prevent me and my family from having one.
That would be great, but too bad most teachers are total idiots and pussies, and would fumble a gun even with proper training because they are scared of the gun itself, or let it fall into the wrong person's hands.
If it were legal to carry at VA-Tech someone would have stopped the madness way before it got as deadly as it did. They can go ahead and take all our guns away, but you know what criminals will still figure out a way to get them on the black market, turning all of us law abiding citizens into stitting ducks waiting around for LE to show up and do something, which we all know takes way to long in a situation like this.

YeLLowBoaT
04-21-2007, 12:40 PM
The possibility of bystanders getting shot cought in the middle of any gun fight is a possibility. I would rather take the chance of having a couple of friendly fire casualties stopping the threat than having 32 people executed without resistance.
The prob with that is you might be liable for thier deaths.

Ken F
04-21-2007, 01:34 PM
>I would rather take the chance of having a couple of friendly fire casualties stopping the threat than having 32 people executed without resistance.<
This is what really puzzles me. He came in and shot the teacher, and then made all the students line up against the wall and began shooting them one by one.
Why in the hell didn't they rush him? Sure one, two or three may get shot, but the rest could have overpowered him. Why did they just stand there like ducks in a shooting gallery?
Me thinks it's the pussification of America.
Ken

SmokinLowriderSS
04-21-2007, 03:32 PM
The prob with that is you might be liable for thier deaths.
Tried by 12, or carried by 6?
As an example of what happens to crime when the good guys have guns, one needs look no farther than Kennesaw Georgia.
In order to LIVE in Kennesaw (pop about 30,000 currently), the head of the household MUST, mandated BY LAW, own, and maintain, in good working condition, firearms (minimum 1) AND AMMUNITION. (with certain exceptions, like felons of course)
This law was passed into the books in 1982.
Crime dropped 74% compared to 1981.
Dropped a further 45% in '83 compared to '82.
Murders average .19 a year (POINT 19), that's one every 5 years.
Through 1998:
the annual number of armed robberies, 1.69
residential burglaries, 31.63
commercial burglaries, 19.75
and rapes have averaged, 2.00

SmokinLowriderSS
04-21-2007, 03:43 PM
Why in the hell didn't they rush him? Sure one, two or three may get shot, but the rest could have overpowered him. Why did they just stand there like ducks in a shooting gallery?
Ken
Not defending it, because I think you know my response in the situation, but, nobody wants to be the first one shot. Intimidation.
All you have to do is intimidate the biggest, baddest one, and nobody else will give you ANY trouble.
BTW, that's exactly how I'd back off 8 guys with my 1911, "just which ones of ya want to die FIRST?"
"Outlaw Josey Wales":
How'd ya know which one would draw first of the 3?"
The one on the right, had a flap holster, he wasn't doin' nuthin'.
The one in the center had scared eyes, wouldn't be him.
The one on the left, the one on the left had crazy eyes.

YeLLowBoaT
04-21-2007, 05:46 PM
Tried by 12, or carried by 6?
old saying, but how are you going to support your family when your in jail and the civil courts just took your home to pay a settlement for wrongful death.
Every "self defence" class I have ever taken has made it pretty clear of when to shoot and when not to.

Coach
04-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Ted is on the money. Let's make it madatory for ALL teachers of schools to pack a gun, go through training on how to use it and then count how many pyschos go to a school looking for attention. I'd bet it would be NONE! Gun control don't work, ask England and Australia. If you don't want a gun fine, but don't prevent me and my family from having one.
I am all for it. I would love to be pack'n at school. A kid might think twice about poping off. :D Overall there would be the good and bad with teachers pack'n. I think if the students didn't know would be critical and all guns would be locked up or out of sight to the students. But in case of emergency we could bust them out.

Coach
04-21-2007, 07:35 PM
That would be great, but too bad most teachers are total idiots and pussies, and would fumble a gun even with proper training because they are scared of the gun itself, or let it fall into the wrong person's hands.
If it were legal to carry at VA-Tech someone would have stopped the madness way before it got as deadly as it did. They can go ahead and take all our guns away, but you know what criminals will still figure out a way to get them on the black market, turning all of us law abiding citizens into stitting ducks waiting around for LE to show up and do something, which we all know takes way to long in a situation like this.
Who you call'n Pussy? :confused: :D
You are right but many of us would have no problem handling guns and doing what is right in protecting our students and the people we work with.

Coach
04-21-2007, 08:35 PM
More food for thought
WND Exclusive VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE
25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents
Posted: April 19, 2007
1:52 p.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall
As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
(Story continues below)
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.
This was not what some predicted.
In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.
Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.
Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.
The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer."
Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses, is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible.
Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself.
If you would like to sound off on this issue, participate in today's WND Poll.
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Summer LuvN
04-21-2007, 09:07 PM
Tried by 12, or carried by 6?
As an example of what happens to crime when the good guys have guns, one needs look no farther than Kennesaw Georgia.
In order to LIVE in Kennesaw (pop about 30,000 currently), the head of the household MUST, mandated BY LAW, own, and maintain, in good working condition, firearms (minimum 1) AND AMMUNITION. (with certain exceptions, like felons of course)
This law was passed into the books in 1982.
Crime dropped 74% compared to 1981.
Dropped a further 45% in '83 compared to '82.
Murders average .19 a year (POINT 19), that's one every 5 years.
Through 1998:
the annual number of armed robberies, 1.69
residential burglaries, 31.63
commercial burglaries, 19.75
and rapes have averaged, 2.00
That's because criminals are uneducated lazy cowards. I believe every home should have a firearm and a dog. If someone is coming through my window while my dog is barking at them, I am shooting to kill. I do not want to piss them off and have them come back later.

Jyruiz
04-21-2007, 11:02 PM
I need to buy and gun and teach my wife how to use it.

JetStalker
04-22-2007, 03:10 AM
Damn right buy her a gun and teach her! Women should NOT be afraid of guns, and should definatley know how to use one. (or twelve!) Sadly, too many women I know ARE afraid of them. (and even sadder, some MEN) I have been around guns since I was a little kid, and I not only was taught how to shoot and handle a gun, I was taught gun safety from a VERY young age. I believe that's how it should be done. My children (if I am ever blessed with any) will know how to handle a gun by the time they're 9 or 10. If they know what it is, how to handle it, and the damage it can do right off the bat, then there's an incredibly minimal chance that they will hurt themselves or someone else with it. God knows that sometimes no matter what, accidents happen, but I'll be damned if it'll be because my kid found my gun, thought it was a toy and blew his friends head off!
God Bless Uncle Ted, and his views on guns and gun control! :D :D :D

Baja Big Dog
04-22-2007, 10:32 PM
The laws of life:
1) Ted Nugent Rules!!!
2) Gun Control is with both hands
3) Gun laws are only followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!!! They will never stop the OUTLAWS and CRIMINALS!!! We are defenseless against their power due to anti-gun laws!!!
4) Sarah Brady is a dirty hore!!!
5) Anyone wants to take away my guns they can kiss my fukkin' ass!!!
6) Ted Nugent Rules!!!!
'Nuff said? :D
:D :D