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skygod73
06-14-2007, 10:53 AM
What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats. Most of the Ultra style 21's don't seem to have much deadrise. Does one stand out for rough water ride? Don't the Warlock's have a rep for being smooth in the rough ?

Ziggy
06-14-2007, 10:54 AM
I thought the ride in the 21' Essex was superb myself.

Jordy
06-14-2007, 10:58 AM
How about a 21' Schiada River Cruiser v-drive??? :D :D :D

speedneeder
06-14-2007, 11:04 AM
I would look at Stokers 204 in staying 21' and under.

Outnumbered
06-14-2007, 11:07 AM
I would vote for the Schiada and the NuEra Lavey. The Schiada is pretty impressive given the low free-board. Damn fun ride at 90+:D

beaverretriever
06-14-2007, 11:07 AM
I am going to be partial, but probably anything based off of the 21' Skater bottom.

Outnumbered
06-14-2007, 11:08 AM
How about a 21' Schiada River Cruiser v-drive??? :D :D :D
Why, did you end up keeping yours?

Jordy
06-14-2007, 11:11 AM
Why, did you end up keeping yours?
Nope. It was in the trader again a couple months ago though. Fun boat and it handled the soup well!!! :D :D :D

lucky
06-14-2007, 11:15 AM
What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats. Most of the Ultra style 21's don't seem to have much deadrise. Does one stand out for rough water ride? Don't the Warlock's have a rep for being smooth in the rough ?
.... one you don't have to put gas in :) aka a friends

deltarat
06-14-2007, 11:20 AM
I woulld have to say the Stokere 224 is hands down the best riding 22 foot boat I have ever riden in.

76ANTHONY
06-14-2007, 11:24 AM
im a cheap bastard so im gonna say, i heard scarabs 22 footer from the mid to late 90's handles the chop verrry well. just cause im cheap. and you can make it a semi-hot boat:D

BajaMike
06-14-2007, 11:26 AM
I would probably go with a Shockwave.....they seem to have more freeboard and are a little heavier, and they seem to ride and feel like a bigger boat.
:idea:

rodnjen
06-14-2007, 11:59 AM
If you are talking 21v's only, then I would have to echo the Essex 21' Sterling, the Lavy 21 XCS or XTSki, and the Shockwave 21' Stepskier. The Lavey is the heaviest of the three but I don't know first hand about the ride.
I own the Essex and we love it. We like 21's, we didn't buy in that size range because that's all we could afford, it suits our boating lifestyle. Checkout the specs and you will see that the Essex is fairly deep, planes very quickley and with a 6.2 runs pretty well in real-world conditions.
There are some good used deals on those boat right now due to some folks looking to upgrade.

Screaming Pete
06-14-2007, 12:22 PM
I heard about a 21 foot carrera that was road pertty hard by the Village People and put away WET more than one time:D

BADBLOWN572
06-14-2007, 12:23 PM
I would have to agree :)
Me too. The bottom is one of the better bottoms out there. If I was thinking about doing a 21' boat that can run in the big waters, as an open bow, I would do one of ours (DCM) or a 21 Schiada. :)

RiverDave
06-14-2007, 12:35 PM
What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats. Most of the Ultra style 21's don't seem to have much deadrise. Does one stand out for rough water ride? Don't the Warlock's have a rep for being smooth in the rough ?
No offense to the stoker owners out there.. but if your thinking even a 224 Stoker is going to run with a 21 Schiada V-Drive in the big shit... Your hallucinating. They run pretty good in medium chop, but once it gets bigger then "medium" they can't hang...
Incidentally, I'd be inline to buy one of Danny's rigs if 21' ride quality and not wanting to spend 100+K were the criteria.. I don't think you will find anything better when it's all said and done. If price were no object? Then I'd flip that up to a Schiada.
RD

Mandelon
06-14-2007, 12:41 PM
The Lavey does well. I wonder about Dana's 21?

2forcefull
06-14-2007, 12:41 PM
I say 21' Schiada river tunnel, they're freak'n amaising.
real, real hard to find though

HefeRaton
06-14-2007, 12:41 PM
I rode in alot of boats before I chose mine and the Lavey and the Essex were very good in big chop.

redneckgirl
06-14-2007, 12:43 PM
IMO the 21' Shockwave Step Skier :D :D :D
RNG

Racey
06-14-2007, 12:48 PM
How about a 21' Schiada River Cruiser v-drive??? :D :D :D
Yep doesnt get any better than that for 21' :D :D

riverbound
06-14-2007, 12:52 PM
I would go with something about 1'-4" bigger;)
I woulld have to say the Stokere 224 is hands down the best riding 22 foot boat I have ever riden in.
I am going to be partial, but probably anything based off of the 21' Skater bottom.
I would agree...but he did specifiy an open bow
I would think Danny's new boat (Donahue Custom Marine) would ride very well in pretty rough water and could run damn well too. I cant wait to see those finished!
This seems to meet his criteria...and they will handlethe slop pretty well :)

beaverretriever
06-14-2007, 12:55 PM
I would agree...but he did specifiy an open bow
This seems to meet his criteria...and they will handlethe slop pretty well :)
Woops, my bad. I am lazy and only read the title... Heck, you cut a open bow into a Skater but you couldn't even put a pillow in there..LOL:D

skygod73
06-14-2007, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the replies. I would need an open bow for the kids. I am hoping to hold out for the right deal on a 22-23, but I won't tie up alot of money in a boat again. I was asking because the 21's seem to be in the used price range I am targeting (15-25K). Essex seems to get good reviews, what about the:
21 Hallett
21 Ultra
21 Warlock

rivercrazy
06-14-2007, 01:14 PM
If you are talking 21v's only, then I would have to echo the Essex 21' Sterling, the Lavey 21 XCS or XTSki, and the Shockwave 21' Stepskier.
I'd also echo these. And add the Hallett 210

havasurat27
06-14-2007, 01:22 PM
Hallett 210 and Hallett Vector......my un-bias opinion!

UltraStealth
06-14-2007, 01:29 PM
I have a 21 Ultra Stealth. The ride isn't bad unless you are in the huge swells. If you plan to boat on Havasu, Mead or Mojave, then you should look at the 21's with a deeper V. I would say test drive some of the boats out there you are interested in.

pw_Tony
06-14-2007, 02:49 PM
Well IF price wasn't an object, and you wanted the boat to handle the best waves. I couldnt imagine many boats to be as good as The Aluminum Eagle Boats. You can get a 21' Tunnel and open bow, VERY pricey, but it would haul ass through anything.

2Driver
06-14-2007, 04:26 PM
How about a 21' Schiada River Cruiser v-drive??? :D :D :D
Yeah and its a tie with the 19' Riviera Jet. :D
I say hands down the Lavey 21 XTSki. Except it is really 22'8" bow to swim.

my21advantage
06-14-2007, 05:00 PM
The advantage 21 SR is hands down the biggest 21 out there, probably the heaviest too....
but it got a big V and can handle lake mohave or Havasu on any Saturday
lots of room, but like everyone says look, drive, and then buy depending on your needs (ie skiing, money, etc.)

98 Vector 21
06-14-2007, 05:03 PM
I would go with the Hallet Vector, Sorry no open bow.....

duffster
06-14-2007, 05:07 PM
Essex all the way I have a 21-Sterling with a 502EFI B-3 small quick 70-mph stock powered boat.
And I have had my boat in Lake PowellÂ’s 3ft nasty channels similar to being in the ocean pushing the hull and deck crazy hard and have had no issues. With a very heavy stable comfortable ride for the family pushing decent/crazy speeds for It's size.
Hallett would also be another good boat that would be in the comparable bullet proof category with Essex. Not to dis all the others a lot of great boats out there just stating what I know first hand so don't be getting all crazy on me.

RiverToysJas
06-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I'm very happy with the 21' XTSki in all conditions. I only shopped the 23 degree bottom 21's....I picked Lavey, but they are all good boats I'm sure. But as mentioned, at 22'8", the XTSki is a very big 21. ;)
RTJas :D

revndave
06-14-2007, 05:12 PM
21 Schiada RC or Tunnel

beaverretriever
06-14-2007, 05:13 PM
I'm very happy with the 21' XTSki in all conditions. I only shopped the 23 degree bottom 21's....I picked Lavey, but they are all good boats I'm sure. But as mentioned, at 22'8", the XTSki is a very big 21. ;)
RTJas :D
This crazy bastard takes the damn thing to Catalina, it must be bad ass.:eek: :eek: :D :D
BTW, you are a crazy bastard..
Funny though, last time I was in Catalina I saw a bunch of crazy looking frat sort of dudes in a 19' Bayliner!!!:eek:

killerbeez
06-14-2007, 05:18 PM
How about the yamaha or seadoo???:D :D :D

SummitKarl
06-14-2007, 05:33 PM
if you can go that extra foot, of all the boats I have rode in or driven, in my years the Placecraft 22 has stood out above most others for it's ride quality IMO, equipped with a 496HO it's just a missile skating above the big chop days in Havasu.

dicudmore
06-14-2007, 05:41 PM
throwing out the open-bow part of the equation...v-bottoms, Schiada or the Hallett Vector. Cat--SKATER (or copy there of)
Danny's boat is probably in that mix too, but I've never been in one to comment, hopefully he'll hook a brother up with a ride one of these days :D :D

77charger
06-14-2007, 05:57 PM
I have a 21 eliminator open bow 207 model and i think it does good job.When its rough i dont also go full throttle but can take white cap water at 25-30 easily and not spill my beer.Boat is solid doest rattle around when it takes a hard hit.
But IMO i think a schiada will be even better

Danhercules
06-14-2007, 06:29 PM
21' Deck. I have the TPR verson, its the same as the Ultra, Just mine is older. I have run it in Havi a few times and it was rough and my boat was fine. The deck give tons of room.
My buddy has a 21 essex and it rides good, but the 21 deck tunnel rides better in the rough.
If you got the cash, step up to the 23 deck tunnel from Ultra!!!!

beaverretriever
06-14-2007, 06:31 PM
if you can go that extra foot, of all the boats I have rode in or driven, in my years the Placecraft 22 has stood out above most others for it's ride quality IMO, equipped with a 496HO it's just a missile skating above the big chop days in Havasu.
Unfortunately it was BEAT TO DEATH with an ugly stick:D

shockwaveharry
06-14-2007, 06:40 PM
We all love our boats, don't we? :D
I've been nothing but happy with the way my Shockwave Lexis (22SC now) handles the rough stuff... Especially for a low profile 21 with a very comfortable open bow. I've seen 92mph and I don't think I'll do it again but its as solid as a rock in the 85mph range and can hang comfortably with the big boys in the rough (it's a very soft lander for it's size).
Mine has a long seating area in the open bow, great for lounging when beached, but they also have a redesigned deck with a shorter bow area that really opens up the cockpit where they've added jump seats behind the driver and passenger's seats.
I saw 74mph out of the box with the 496HO... All speeds are GPS'd!

pw_Tony
06-14-2007, 06:46 PM
Gotta go with the 20' SPECTRA :D :D :D

2Driver
06-14-2007, 06:53 PM
Gotta go with the 20' SPECTRA :D :D :D
I had a 21 spectra and have the blown disks and back fusion to prove it. :D

Froggystyle
06-14-2007, 07:36 PM
The best three 21's I have been in were a
1) Hallett 21' Vector
2) Schiada 21' RC V-drive
3) Schiada 21' RC stern drive
Down further I would go with the 20' Spectra, then the 21' Daytona with the windscreen.
After that, you are basically talking about Bahner bottoms on the Ultra, Shockwave, Carrera, Cobra, etc... They all have similar chines and deadrises from what I have seen.
The top three stand out huge from the bottom ones. I wouldn't have put my old 21' in the same soup as any of the top three. I did drive the wheels off of it though. We also ended up re-inforcing it considerably over the years I had it.

2forcefull
06-14-2007, 07:41 PM
The best three 21's I have been in were a
1) Hallett 21' Vector
2) Schiada 21' RC V-drive
3) Schiada 21' RC stern drive
Down further I would go with the 20' Spectra, then the 21' Daytona with the windscreen.
After that, you are basically talking about Bahner bottoms on the Ultra, Shockwave, Carrera, Cobra, etc... They all have similar chines and deadrises from what I have seen.
The top three stand out huge from the bottom ones. I wouldn't have put my old 21' in the same soup as any of the top three. I did drive the wheels off of it though. We also ended up re-inforcing it considerably over the years I had it.
i like the ride of the 21 schiada river tunnel better

shueman
06-14-2007, 08:10 PM
The new 22' Eliminator Daytona is one sweet ride... :cool:

pw_Tony
06-14-2007, 08:12 PM
I had a 21 spectra and have the blown disks and back fusion to prove it. :D
I dunno bout that... my Spectra PLOWS water lol:devil:

Tom Brown
06-14-2007, 08:14 PM
Carlson CV-21 :cool:

GHT
06-14-2007, 08:18 PM
The best ridin' 21' boat is a 21' boat on a trailer..... Just don't drive it on California highways, that is a rough ride.

skygod73
06-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Does the Hallett Vector have the same bottom as the Hallett 21 open bow?
Which open bow 21's have the most deadrise?

Riverkid
06-14-2007, 08:25 PM
This crazy bastard takes the damn thing to Catalina, it must be bad ass.:eek: :eek: :D :D
My Schiada has been there 23 times...:)

phebus
06-14-2007, 08:52 PM
The best ridin' 21' boat is a 21' boat on a trailer..... Just don't drive it on California highways, that is a rough ride.
:D :) :D

dicudmore
06-14-2007, 09:04 PM
Does the Hallett Vector have the same bottom as the Hallett 21 open bow?
Which open bow 21's have the most deadrise?
no, the vector is a 16 degree bottom and is different than the 210...

C-2
06-14-2007, 09:10 PM
The Hallett 210 is 18 degrees and can take A LOT of horsepower and pretty much anything you can throw at it. The big blue on an unforgiving day is fun - just wear a kidney belt (trust me).
I also like the Lavey 21 - I think it's a faster bottom.:mad:

sweetyellowstingray
06-14-2007, 09:36 PM
21 foot closed bow stingray is the best riding and fastest around. 425 ho avg speed 74 MPH

DaddyMack
06-14-2007, 09:44 PM
I like my 20SS hallett :) It is a very strong hull and rides very well considering the size..

mbrown2
06-14-2007, 09:55 PM
Schiada 21 RC..., Hallet Vector or 210, Lavey 21 XTC, and the Advantedge 21SR has a real nice hull as well for the chop...Lots of nice 21's in all sorts of price ranges..
Danny's DCM will be a good running boat...the Howard Cruiser hull is a very fast and efficient hull.

2forcefull
06-15-2007, 04:47 AM
The new 22' Eliminator Daytona is one sweet ride... :cool:
that would be my choice for a 22'

rodnjen
06-15-2007, 06:28 AM
One thing the nobody has mentioned is the interior layout. The Essex has room for 9 easily and makes much bette use of it's interior space. If you are skiing and wakeboarding, the Lavey, Shockwave and Essex have rear-facing seats, a huge plus for us.
You can talk all day long about Shiada and Hallet's 21's, they are amazing boats, but they are out-dated. If you want to run an I/O, have a choice of power and have functional interior space, the Essex, Lavey, Shockwave are tough to beat.

sofa king smooth
06-15-2007, 06:33 AM
One thing the nobody has mentioned is the interior layout. The Essex has room for 9 easily and makes much bette use of it's interior space. If you are skiing and wakeboarding, the Lavey, Shockwave and Essex have rear-facing seats, a huge plus for us.
You can talk all day long about Shiada and Hallet's 21's, they are amazing boats, but they are out-dated. If you want to run an I/O, have a choice of power and have functional interior space, the Essex, Lavey, Shockwave are tough to beat.
Outdated are you crazy? No offense but essex and shockwave are not even in the same league as schiada and hallet. As far as out dated you need to look at some of their newer offerings. You will see some of the nicest well built boats on the planet

SFV2RVR
06-15-2007, 06:35 AM
You can talk all day long about Shiada and Hallet's 21's, they are amazing boats, but they are out-dated.
Out dated? Are you kidding me! Have you seen a new schiada? Its not even close on the detail and quality.

UltraStealth
06-15-2007, 06:41 AM
Go look at all of them. Narrow it down to the top 5 that suit your needs and then go take them out and test drive them. ;)

mbrown2
06-15-2007, 06:56 AM
You can talk all day long about Shiada and Hallet's 21's, they are amazing boats, but they are out-dated. If you want to run an I/O, have a choice of power and have functional interior space, the Essex, Lavey, Shockwave are tough to beat.
Outdated.:confused: :idea: ...keep on buying the cookie cutters and maybe someday you realize its more then just a trendy gel coat you need to be buying...:)

rodnjen
06-15-2007, 07:25 AM
I knew the "out-dated" reference would turn up the heat. Those boats are timeless, well-built and excellent boats. However, they are very close to the same boats they were 25 years ago. That is fine if that is what you want, or if your are going to add serious power. If you are looking for utility, performance and comfort, then yes, they are out-dated.

2forcefull
06-15-2007, 09:00 AM
One thing the nobody has mentioned is the interior layout. The Essex has room for 9 easily and makes much bette use of it's interior space. If you are skiing and wakeboarding, the Lavey, Shockwave and Essex have rear-facing seats, a huge plus for us.
You can talk all day long about Shiada and Hallet's 21's, they are amazing boats, but they are out-dated. If you want to run an I/O, have a choice of power and have functional interior space, the Essex, Lavey, Shockwave are tough to beat.
outdated??? Schiadas are timeless,everytime out as i'm pulling to the lake people take pictires of the boat,come to talk as I'm getting gas. plus the ride and comfort is amazing
95 21' river tunnel merc 500hp bravo drive 80plus mph

dicudmore
06-15-2007, 09:03 AM
outdated??? Schiadas are timeless,everytime out as i'm pulling to the lake people take pictires of the boat,come to talk as I'm getting gas. plus the ride and comfort is amazing
95 21' river tunnel merc 500hp bravo drive 80plus mph
hey can I borrow that Schiada one of these days? I want to see how it compares in the rough stuff to my 30' cat :D It sure looks bitchin' :D

rodnjen
06-15-2007, 09:14 AM
outdated??? Schiadas are timeless,everytime out as i'm pulling to the lake people take pictires of the boat,come to talk as I'm getting gas. plus the ride and comfort is amazing
95 21' river tunnel merc 500hp bravo drive 80plus mph
That is exactly my point, so are 67 Stingrays. Don't get me wrong, they are the first boats we looked at. But for utility, all-around performance and looks, we went with a "newer" design.

BADAXE
06-15-2007, 10:02 AM
I had a 21 spectra and have the blown disks and back fusion to prove it. :D
Spectra never made a 21. They did have a 20 (20'10") though.

C-2
06-15-2007, 10:07 AM
That is exactly my point, so are 67 Stingrays. Don't get me wrong, they are the first boats we looked at. But for utility, all-around performance and looks, we went with a "newer" design.
And when your wife smacks you in the head as one of those outdated boats goes screaming by, flat on the water.... while your wifey is holding her bouncing bolt-ons....don't say we didn't tell you so.:D
You cannot find a bigger, roomier open bow than a Hallett 210 - with an anchor locker to boot.

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 10:22 AM
Well my pick is obvious.. 22.5 Nordic Sprint. Lots of room for the kids, huge open bow, Rides good up to 3'+ chop. Smaller boats all suck in big chop, 3'+.
It will cut right through rollers from passing boats, really really suprising when I first drove it. First boat I ever owned that you throttle towards the roller for a better ride. The older 95 to 01 models have a 454 instead of a 383. And you can pick them up for 22K to 28K. It only runs 65 to 66 MPH @ 4500RPM stock. But I think 75 to 80 would be fairly easy sence the 21 blaze runs in the 90's with a 525HP. I paid 23K for this one a year ago. http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Boat_6-6-07_012.jpg

2forcefull
06-15-2007, 10:31 AM
hey can I borrow that Schiada one of these days? I want to see how it compares in the rough stuff to my 30' cat :D It sure looks bitchin' :D
ok, it's in vegas(sneek out during the week!!!????)

1993ultra
06-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Well my pick is obvious.. 22.5 Nordic Sprint. Lots of room for the kids, huge open bow, Rides good up to 3'+ chop. Smaller boats all suck in big chop, 3'+.
It will cut right through rollers from passing boats, really really suprising when I first drove it. First boat I ever owned that you throttle towards the roller for a better ride. The older 95 to 01 models have a 454 instead of a 383. And you can pick them up for 22K to 28K. It only runs 65 to 66 MPH @ 4500RPM stock. But I think 75 to 80 would be fairly easy sence the 21 blaze runs in the 90's with a 525HP. I paid 23K for this one a year ago. http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Boat_6-6-07_012.jpg
nice boat! is that a stepped hull?

2Driver
06-15-2007, 11:10 AM
:D Spectra never made a 21. They did have a 20 (20'10") though.
Your calling me on 2"? :D
Well it's the one in the Sherriff aerial photo in the very bottom left. (Yellow, next to the 20' blue Nordic)
http://***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33125&stc=1&d=1181934506

RiverDave
06-15-2007, 11:52 AM
Well my pick is obvious.. 22.5 Nordic Sprint. Lots of room for the kids, huge open bow, Rides good up to 3'+ chop. Smaller boats all suck in big chop, 3'+.
It will cut right through rollers from passing boats, really really suprising when I first drove it. First boat I ever owned that you throttle towards the roller for a better ride. The older 95 to 01 models have a 454 instead of a 383. And you can pick them up for 22K to 28K. It only runs 65 to 66 MPH @ 4500RPM stock. But I think 75 to 80 would be fairly easy sence the 21 blaze runs in the 90's with a 525HP. I paid 23K for this one a year ago. http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Boat_6-6-07_012.jpg
21 Blaze and the 22.6 Nordic have different bottoms. The 22.6 doesn't like to go fast. Point in fact I'd bet yours has the 454 MPI, (310 HP) . We were one of the few to upgrade ours to the 454 Mag (385 HP) and let me tell you, you've never been on a more scary ride at 70'ish mph.. Adding HP to that mix is like throwing gasoline on a fire. I talked to several people (including people at Nordic) about repowering the boat, and maybe seeing if I could power through the ill handling etc.. They all seemed to think that was a terrible idea, and that boat was NEVER MEANT to go fast (exact words).
In any event, as a person that's driven one for well over 500 hours, let me tell you that boat doesn't have anything on the ride of a 21 Schiada at speed in rough conditions. The running surface is much shorter, and the entry is waaaayyyy too shallow to be a good rough water boat.
RD <--- waiting to leave for alaska

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 12:00 PM
21 Blaze and the 22.6 Nordic have different bottoms. The 22.6 doesn't like to go fast. Point in fact I'd bet yours has the 454 MPI, (310 HP) . We were one of the few to upgrade ours to the 454 Mag (385 HP) and let me tell you, you've never been on a more scary ride at 70'ish mph.. Adding HP to that mix is like throwing gasoline on a fire. I talked to several people (including people at Nordic) about repowering the boat, and maybe seeing if I could power through the ill handling etc.. They all seemed to think that was a terrible idea, and that boat was NEVER MEANT to go fast (exact words).
In any event, as a person that's driven one for well over 500 hours, let me tell you that boat doesn't have anything on the ride of a 21 Schiada at speed in rough conditions. The running surface is much shorter, and the entry is waaaayyyy too shallow to be a good rough water boat.
RD <--- waiting to leave for alaska
What?? Maby 90 would be to fast, but the boat drives perfect at 65. I will be shocked if 5 to 10 MPH changes that much. It is not a stepped hull on mine, only a delta pad. It's your opinion and different things scare different people. My hydro ran 111MPH and i had no problem blasting at a roller just to see what would happen. So grow a set.

RiverDave
06-15-2007, 12:01 PM
What?? Maby 90 would be to fast, but the boat drives perfect at 65. I will be shocked if 5 to 10 MPH changes that much. It is not a stepped hull on mine, only a delta pad. It's your opinion and different things scare different people. My hydro ran 111MPH and i had no problem blasting at a roller just to see what would happen. So grow a set.
I was pretty shocked to see what a difference a few mph could make.. As far as growing a set, suck a dick junior.. Your Hydro was slow.
By the way
My hydro ran 111MPH and i had no problem blasting at a roller just to see what would happen. So grow a set.
Either we have very different definitions of the word "roller" or you are lucky to still be alive..
RD<---- having a hard time believing anything you've said in that last post

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 12:16 PM
I was pretty shocked to see what a difference a few mph could make.. As far as growing a set, suck a dick junior.. Your Hydro was slow.
By the way
Either we have very different definitions of the word "roller" or you are lucky to still be alive..
JF<---- having a hard time believing anything you've said in that last post
:D Funny.
Like I said everone has an opinion.. Back to the point he is looking for a family boat.. Another opinion of mine..not that anyone cares..wanting to run over 80MPH with kids on-board is stupid:idea: He is looking for a family boat and I think this is a good family boat. I will get another hot rod in the future..And before I do, I'll make sure to check with you on what is fast:D
By the way how fast is your boat?:confused:

RiverDave
06-15-2007, 12:30 PM
:D Funny.
Like I said everone has an opinion.. Back to the point he is looking for a family boat.. Another opinion of mine..not that anyone cares..wanting to run over 80MPH with kids on-board is stupid:idea: He is looking for a family boat and I think this is a good family boat. I will get another hot rod in the future..And before I do, I'll make sure to check with you on what is fast:D
By the way how fast is your boat?:confused:
How many rollers did you point that Hydro at and stab the gas? Just to see what happens?
Incidentally I don't even have a boat. ;) I was simply commenting that 110 for a Hydro ain't exactly setting the world on fire fast..
RD

rodnjen
06-15-2007, 12:41 PM
They're natural :D and the Hallet doesn't have reverse-facing seats. Nice boat, very nice, but not the best use of space.

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 12:41 PM
How many rollers did you point that Hydro at and stab the gas? Just to see what happens?
Incidentally I don't even have a boat. ;) I was simply commenting that 110 for a Hydro ain't exactly setting the world on fire fast..
RD
Three or four times, only me on-board, friends watching asking what the fu@k you do that for. It was useually glass with the exception of a roller from a passing boat. If you never do it, you won't know. Ended up in the passengers seat once..:D
I never stated I was setting any world records. And you would be supprised how many boats are not legit 100+ MPH boats..My 111 GPS and radared boat did very well. 111MPH is a 10sec boat..

BADBLOWN572
06-15-2007, 12:45 PM
The 22.6 doesn't like to go fast. We were one of the few to upgrade ours to the 454 Mag (385 HP) and let me tell you, you've never been on a more scary ride at 70'ish mph.. Adding HP to that mix is like throwing gasoline on a fire. They all seemed to think that was a terrible idea, and that boat was NEVER MEANT to go fast (exact words).
In any event, as a person that's driven one for well over 500 hours, let me tell you that boat doesn't have anything on the ride of a 21 Schiada at speed in rough conditions. The running surface is much shorter, and the entry is waaaayyyy too shallow to be a good rough water boat.
RD <--- waiting to leave for alaska
Agreed 100% on that statement. I spent a lot of hours driving RD's 22' Nordic and it was one of the worst riding rough water boats that I have ever driven. Sometimes I would have rather been an 18' jet. :eek: As for a family boat, it was awesome. Lots of very nice features, but rough water was not one of them! :(

RiverToysJas
06-15-2007, 12:56 PM
If I was going to run over 80, it wouldn't be in a deep v 21'er. Waterndog's 21' Lavey XCS w/ the Merc 500hp runs low 80's, and that's pushing it for that little boat. You're pretty much on the delta pad, and little else at that point. I've been in a couple 90ish mph 18 degree 21's. They handle the flat water great, but there's give and take w/ anything. I'd rather be a little slower, or maybe proped to be wicked quick from 30-70 and have the deeper hull.
If I was going to go 90+ and into the 100's, I personally would look at nothing less than a full ski/race setup Schiada type hull and I'd prefer it w/ v-drive. But that's just me.
RTJas :D

pw_Tony
06-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Too light to cut through the waves as well as a heavy deep V glass hull.
No way!.... An aluminum guy actually said a glass boat could do something better.... never thought I would see the day!:D :D :D

Sleek-Jet
06-15-2007, 01:11 PM
The new 22' Eliminator Daytona is one sweet ride... :cool:
You're such a company man... :D
My old 21' Eliminator cruiser does a good job of cutting through afternoon chop...

Boa1277
06-15-2007, 01:15 PM
If I was going to run over 80, it wouldn't be in a deep v 21'er. Waterndog's 21' Lavey XCS w/ the Merc 500hp runs low 80's, and that's pushing it for that little boat. You're pretty much on the delta pad, and little else at that point. I've been in a couple 90ish mph 18 degree 21's. They handle the flat water great, but there's give and take w/ anything. I'd rather be a little slower, or maybe proped to be wicked quick from 30-70 and have the deeper hull.
If I was going to go 90+ and into the 100's, I personally would look at nothing less than a full ski/race setup Schiada type hull and I'd prefer it w/ v-drive. But that's just me.
RTJas :D
Hey the Schiada doesnt have rear facing seats... Just goes to show you what the truly ingnorant people use to justify buying a piece of shit instead of stepping up to the quality and true excellence of a Schiada. The bottom line is you can spend 40 grand and get a boat with rear facing seats and built in blender and a stereo with the swim step controls. The only problem is the damn thing is going to fall apart after 7 to 12 years depending on how many hrs you have on it. Now my Schiada has been family owned since 1977 and it still is turnkey and very very solid. But then again it doesnt have rear facing seats so maybe I better sell it....NOT
P.S. This comment is directed to RodnJen. Sorry about using the quote feature RiverToysJas

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 01:18 PM
Agreed 100% on that statement. I spent a lot of hours driving RD's 22' Nordic and it was one of the worst riding rough water boats that I have ever driven. Sometimes I would have rather been an 18' jet. :eek: As for a family boat, it was awesome. Lots of very nice features, but rough water was not one of them! :(
Oh come-on:rolleyes: .. Thats like riding a harley over whoops on a dirt bike track. Now we're just talking sh!t..
Oh wait, it's the internet... Sh!t talk on:D

RiverToysJas
06-15-2007, 01:21 PM
P.S. This comment is directed to RodnJen. Sorry about using the quote feature RiverToysJas
:D .....thanks for adding that, cuz I was corn-fused for a minute! :)
Oh....and in my Schiada the passenger seat would be rear facing! ;)
RTJas :D

76ANTHONY
06-15-2007, 01:22 PM
i dont know, i see about 25-30 100mph boats that are perfect on ebay everyday:jawdrop: :D :D :D

justfloatn
06-15-2007, 01:49 PM
:D :D
i dont know, i see about 25-30 100mph boats that are perfect on ebay everyday:jawdrop: :D :D :D

BADBLOWN572
06-15-2007, 01:50 PM
Oh come-on:rolleyes: .. Thats like riding a harley over whoops on a dirt bike track. Now we're just talking sh!t..
Oh wait, it's the internet... Sh!t talk on:D
Actually that is not talkking sh!t. It is the truth. In an 18' boat, if you commit, you can get up on top of it. In the Nordic, no way. There were a couple of times we came down so hard I thought we would have ejected someone. I also had a couple of times when we got back I was expecting to pee blood. No B.S. at all.
I am giving that boat 100% credit where credit is due. It is a great family boat with a lot of nice amenities (?sp), but rough water handling is not one of them. :(
And just for your harley analogy, it is more like riding a ridgid chopper across the whoops on a MX track! ;)

superdave013
06-15-2007, 02:01 PM
Well all I have to say is enter your 21' ponys in a GN race and see how you stack up.
The 20' Rayson Crafts will be hard to beat!

superdave013
06-15-2007, 02:10 PM
Here's a good one of the god father Rudy Ramos GN9 (driven by Dave Rankin). I put his 20' Rayson Craft hulls as the best bottom of any boat in it's size range.
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/LBC%20pics.jpg

superdave013
06-15-2007, 02:14 PM
They turn good too. From the same day. GN9 on the inside and the GN305 on the outside. Now the 305 boat (owned by Maxumis) is a 1959 all wood Rayson Craft. It's out there at every race. So if you think you have a winner like I said. Put your trick pony out there on race day and see.
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/LBC%20pics%20017.jpg

superdave013
06-15-2007, 02:18 PM
I've driven RD's old boat out at Havasu before. His chick's spectra should be a much better ride in the bumps.
But other then the ride and puke :D that seemed to always be down the side, it was an ok boat. :)

riverracerx
06-15-2007, 02:33 PM
21 Blaze and the 22.6 Nordic have different bottoms. The 22.6 doesn't like to go fast.
I had a '96 Sprint and they don't like to go fast like RD said. In fact they really like to gallop.
But for a 22' it had a ton of freeboard and I wanted that for my kid (not to fall out). I would buy another one. You don't have to go fast in one to have fun!

FASTJTBT
06-15-2007, 03:26 PM
That boat handles so nice in the rough and I mean big stuff very soild feel very strong boat with alot of freeboard.

MBMOSEBILT
06-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Hallett 210 by far the best.

donzi5150
06-15-2007, 03:49 PM
I am kinda parcial to the Donzi's and the 22 Classic has a high freeboard, takes the rough very well, has a deep v, and with the 525 the factory quotes 95mph.......:idea:

woody56
06-15-2007, 03:54 PM
if you can go that extra foot, of all the boats I have rode in or driven, in my years the Placecraft 22 has stood out above most others for it's ride quality IMO, equipped with a 496HO it's just a missile skating above the big chop days in Havasu.
I love this boat. Rides good in the big crap we get here in havasu, and has lots of room for the kids. It a deck boat and very easy to get in and out. If your in town sometime let me know I'll give you a ride. :D

pw_Tony
06-15-2007, 03:56 PM
I love this boat. Rides good in big crap we get here in havasu, and has lots of room for the kids. It a deck boat and very easy to get in and out. If your in town sometime let me know I'll give you a ride. :D
Where have you been boating???:D :D

rodnjen
06-15-2007, 04:02 PM
Hey the Schiada doesnt have rear facing seats... Just goes to show you what the truly ingnorant people use to justify buying a piece of shit instead of stepping up to the quality and true excellence of a Schiada. The bottom line is you can spend 40 grand and get a boat with rear facing seats and built in blender and a stereo with the swim step controls. The only problem is the damn thing is going to fall apart after 7 to 12 years depending on how many hrs you have on it. Now my Schiada has been family owned since 1977 and it still is turnkey and very very solid. But then again it doesnt have rear facing seats so maybe I better sell it....NOT
P.S. This comment is directed to RodnJen. Sorry about using the quote feature RiverToysJas
Nobody is telling you to sell your boat and nobody contested the quality. Eveybody has different reasons for buying what they buy except for in your case, it sounds like it was given to you.

woody56
06-15-2007, 04:05 PM
Where have you been boating???:D :D
You know how big it gets here on the big weekends.:D :D

bigblockbill
06-15-2007, 04:13 PM
You know what they say.... once you gone for a ride in a tunnel there is no turning back.
We used to run 30-40 in the white caps and not spill a drop of the drink. When the waves get really really big the 21 will take water over the bow.

Riverkid
06-15-2007, 04:45 PM
Hey the Schiada doesnt have rear facing seats... Just goes to show you what the truly ingnorant people use to justify buying a piece of shit instead of stepping up to the quality and true excellence of a Schiada. The bottom line is you can spend 40 grand and get a boat with rear facing seats and built in blender and a stereo with the swim step controls. The only problem is the damn thing is going to fall apart after 7 to 12 years depending on how many hrs you have on it. Now my Schiada has been family owned since 1977 and it still is turnkey and very very solid. But then again it doesnt have rear facing seats so maybe I better sell it....NOT
P.S. This comment is directed to RodnJen. Sorry about using the quote feature RiverToysJas
About every Schiada I have ever been in has the pass seat set up so with a quick four bolts you reverse them front/back. My wife got tired of me putting my hand on her shoulder when something big was coming, so she likes it forward.
Everyone else sits bitch! :D

Redneck
06-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Thanks for the replies. I would need an open bow for the kids. I am hoping to hold out for the right deal on a 22-23, but I won't tie up alot of money in a boat again. I was asking because the 21's seem to be in the used price range I am targeting (15-25K). Essex seems to get good reviews, what about the:
21 Hallett
21 Ultra
21 Warlock
my ultra is a 21 and its not bad for a 21 but we are considering selling and going bigger

Redneck
06-15-2007, 04:50 PM
I heard the 21 bayliner was nice lol
sorry had to

reb939
06-15-2007, 05:29 PM
This crazy bastard takes the damn thing to Catalina, it must be bad ass.:eek: :eek: :D :D
BTW, you are a crazy bastard..
Funny though, last time I was in Catalina I saw a bunch of crazy looking frat sort of dudes in a 19' Bayliner!!!:eek:
Took our 21' Lavey out to Catalina multiple times for the Catalina Ski Race and a too many practice runs to count.
Great boat but sold it for something a little faster

boatsnblondes
06-15-2007, 05:31 PM
We love our vector....and for you haters out there, there is something to these boats, people just love them. Vector, Schiada, Howard, these boats are nearly mythical in performance, and I wouldn't ever make the mistake of underestimating a v-drive schiada...lot of pink slips have exchanged hands from doing that.....as for the vector downstairs here, we love it, but it's still for sale....gonna get it out here soon for the fourth and take some real pics, maybe you guys that slammed me for asking what I am might reconsider....it really is a beautiful vector...but they all are...right??? Just partial also I guess.......you schiada guys make me SICK!!!!!! LOL...Just jealous...:D

3 daytona`s
06-15-2007, 05:45 PM
About every Schiada I have ever been in has the pass seat set up so with a quick four bolts you reverse them front/back. My wife got tired of me putting my hand on her shoulder when something big was coming, so she likes it forward.
Everyone else sits bitch! :D
Doggie style?:)

widowmaker
06-15-2007, 05:54 PM
You know what they say.... once you gone for a ride in a tunnel there is no turning back.
We used to run 30-40 in the white caps and not spill a drop of the drink. When the waves get really really big the 21 will take water over the bow.
ditto. Waves over the bow can get interesting though. Still love the 21 daytona

Bahner tunnel
06-15-2007, 05:59 PM
I may be a little impartial but a 21 Daytona is hard to beat in 2-3' chop. If it starts gettin rough just go faster, skim over the tops. :D

2Driver
06-15-2007, 07:00 PM
considering selling and going bigger
That's what she said :D

Riverkid
06-15-2007, 07:06 PM
Doggie style?:)
BINGO :D

Dan Lorenze
06-15-2007, 08:24 PM
I have no idea who has the best "riding" 21' Hot Boat! I haven't been in most of them. My personal 21' is an Ultra stealth. We cruise it from Laughlin to Havasu and back with a full load of kids and coolers and it handles chop very well for a little boat. It's not the best big lake boat but then again that's not what I was looking for.

Boa1277
06-16-2007, 06:28 PM
Nobody is telling you to sell your boat and nobody contested the quality. Eveybody has different reasons for buying what they buy except for in your case, it sounds like it was given to you.
What a gift, unfortunately it wasn't. You are very right when it comes to reasons. Everyone has their own and most like to buy quality and fit and finish. But like I said before it doesn"t have a rear facing seat. It could if I wanted it to and it could have just about any layout I want, that is what you get when you buy a custom boat not a cookie cutter. I believe the thread was what is the best riding 21ft Hot Boat, and you chimed in with "Schiada did not have the best layout for our needs" Sorry if I took offense, but you sound like a true and tested Bayliner owner, I will guarantee you this, very few 21ft boats can ride like a Schiada RC I will agree there are a few out there that can, but there are very very few that can keep the throttle on past 95mph like the Schiada.....If any?

Redneck
06-17-2007, 09:22 AM
I have no idea who has the best "riding" 21' Hot Boat! I haven't been in most of them. My personal 21' is an Ultra stealth. We cruise it from Laughlin to Havasu and back with a full load of kids and coolers and it handles chop very well for a little boat. It's not the best big lake boat but then again that's not what I was looking for.
and I bet you still have gas left when your done

franky
06-17-2007, 10:53 AM
Outdated are you crazy? No offense but essex and shockwave are not even in the same league as schiada and hallet. As far as out dated you need to look at some of their newer offerings. You will see some of the nicest well built boats on the planet
Amen

franky
06-17-2007, 10:54 AM
Out dated? Are you kidding me! Have you seen a new schiada? Its not even close on the detail and quality.
AMEN

franky
06-17-2007, 10:55 AM
Outdated.:confused: :idea: ...keep on buying the cookie cutters and maybe someday you realize its more then just a trendy gel coat you need to be buying...:)
AMEN

franky
06-17-2007, 11:01 AM
They're natural :D and the Hallet doesn't have reverse-facing seats. Nice boat, very nice, but not the best use of space.
Hey man, hows that mini-van treating you? Gotta love that Dodge Caravan, such efficient use of space. J/K:)

franky
06-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Second time out in the Schiada, had the wife with me. We where getting beat up going 35-40 over the Saturday afternoon crappy water. I turned to her and said if I went faster it would ride better, she gave the nod. 65-70, a little down on the cav and ....smooth as an be. She grabbed my arm and said "you are never going to sell this thing".. but I already knew that.
BTW, it is a 1986 and doesn't have one stress crack, delamination, gel problem, NOTHING. It looks like it was just built.

2Driver
06-17-2007, 11:13 AM
This poor guy asked what's a good riding 21 OB for his family and has gotten every river/ski racing boat ever made as a suggestion. :D :rolleyes:

franky
06-17-2007, 12:05 PM
This poor guy asked what's a good riding 21 OB for his family and has gotten every river/ski racing boat ever made as a suggestion. :D :rolleyes:
I think this was his question "What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats".
He also mentioned some of the more sporty ("***boat") (yet production) names rathar than deep vee, high freeboard types like Wellcraft or Four Wins.
So....sporty/***boat, you pick Lavey I pick Schiada, to each his own. Most people with Schiada's grew up in Schiada's (family boat, get it?).
As far a the next step down that I have owned, and can personally comment about, I woud say the 20.5' or 22' Cole, or is that too racey for you also?
I say if you are going to be an ape, be a hairy one:)

little rowe boat
06-17-2007, 02:18 PM
[QUOTE=franky;2624664]I think this was his question "What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats".
Nope he said what 21' boat is the best riding ***boat.
Since everyone has thrown in everything from 20' to 22' I would say hands down the Howard 220 offshore best riding, especially when it gets rough out on the lake.

junkyardhunter
06-17-2007, 03:02 PM
What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats. Most of the Ultra style 21's don't seem to have much deadrise. Does one stand out for rough water ride? Don't the Warlock's have a rep for being smooth in the rough ?
Lets just make some schiada open bows(I have a skill saw):D .

Commander21
06-17-2007, 03:35 PM
Any year Commander. Very comfortable hull

sam pioske
06-17-2007, 04:10 PM
Catalina ski race boats had to be fast and hold together, check what brands did well when that 21' was hot, the old fastioned ones you mention? Hallet by the way has a little handle under the seat so you can face either way! Back to the capitan-spiced, carry on.http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/devil.gif
:devil:

franky
06-17-2007, 04:30 PM
[QUOTE=franky;2624664]I think this was his question "What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats".
Nope he said what 21' boat is the best riding ***boat.
Since everyone has thrown in everything from 20' to 22' I would say hands down the Howard 220 offshore best riding, especially when it gets rough out on the lake.
Actually here is the exact post:
"What's the best riding 21 ft Hot Boat?
What boat do you think has the best ride among the open bow hot boats. Most of the Ultra style 21's don't seem to have much deadrise. Does one stand out for rough water ride? Don't the Warlock's have a rep for being smooth in the rough ?"
My point was that he seamed to be asking about performance type boats.
I was actually going to bring up the 22' Offshore as a good rough water boat, and well made. Always been a Howard fan.

2Driver
06-17-2007, 04:47 PM
Yeah all great boats.
I took it as he is looking for a ***boat with some rough water capabilities and some decent deadrise. I love the "river" boats having had 5 21's myself but was not sure that the Spectra and Schiada world was what he was looking for due to their rides in rough water. The wifey and have I traversed the ride to Copper and up and down the strip in the Spectra on many a Memorial day weekend.......and Carreras and Advantages and even Chaparrals :0
All this IMO of course.

Classic Daycruiser
06-17-2007, 04:52 PM
Open bow 21 foot ***boats were not very good in rough water. Matter of Fact, no open bow was made to run in rough water.
There are trade-offs with all boats. Some 21's seem alot smaller than other 21's.
Just remember!!!!!!!!
A buying a boat only gets you in the club.....Then you began to start paying your dues:
Gas, Reg. Tags, Repairs, Hotels, tow rigs, water toys, Insurance, and much more make the cost of the boat seem cheap....unless you financed a good portion of the boat..
I'd say the average boat owner spends about $2000 a year in repairs after the warranty runs out.

Riverkid
06-17-2007, 05:12 PM
Lets just make some schiada open bows(I have a skill saw):D .
We had few come through the shop. We had a sub do it. Never could cut one.

junkyardhunter
06-17-2007, 06:04 PM
We had few come through the shop. We had a sub do it. Never could cut one.
Like this;)
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