God is fake

[vee-driven]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah

[Tom Brown]

"We are god because only we can create the idea of his existence in our holy brains" - Yello
The magic of religion is that everyone is right. :cool:

[buzzaro]

"We are god because only we can create the idea of his existence in our holy brains" - Yello
The magic of religion is that everyone is right. :cool:
The real magic is that YOUR OWN religion is right and your god tells you to kill everyone that doesnt think so.

[Jbb]

"We are god because only we can create the idea of his existence in our holy brains" - Yello
The magic of religion is that everyone is right. :cool:
Allah Akbar...

[hoolign]

Allah Akbar...
BOOM

[OGShocker]

Allah Akbar...
http://www.greatlakesoffshore.com/greatlakesoffshore/images/smilies/blowup2.gifhttp://www.greatlakesoffshore.com/greatlakesoffshore/images/smilies/blowup2.gifhttp://www.greatlakesoffshore.com/greatlakesoffshore/images/smilies/blowup2.gif

[Tom Brown]

The real magic is that YOUR OWN religion is right and your god tells you to kill everyone that doesnt think so.
Oh yes..... hate... the other magic. :cool:

[rvrtoy]

I will pray for all of you:D

[Goad]

http://loljesus.com/submissions/LOLJesus.jpg

[Big Warlock]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah
But he sent me to this thread to say "FOCK OFF!"
:D

[Sleeper CP]

http://loljesus.com/submissions/LOLJesus.jpg
Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I do not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP

[Big Warlock]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah
But he sent me to this thread to say "FOCK OFF!"
:D

[BarryMac]

Jesus Loves You, everyone else thinks your an asshole... :)

[River Lynchmob]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
Well said Sleeper.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Any religion that preaches that those who don't believe in a specific God or Prophet are doomed to some fiery satanic eternity, can't be all good, IMHO.

[riverbound]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
Well said sleeper.

[DUCKY]

http://loljesus.com/submissions/LOLJesus.jpg
I second that. Catholic priest? Okay, but not an image of Jesus himself. That's just wrong.

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
Very well said.. :)

[DUCKY]

Now then..with the above off my chest, I can tell vee-driven that he too is a moron.
Religion has it's problems. Many new churches don't even bother to seek out tax exempt status, because they are "for profit" businesses, and that too is wrong.
But God is not fake, and you will be amply rewarded by having a large pile turds to smoke in purgatory....Have a nice eternity!

[HocusPocus]

I can swear there aint no heaven, but I pray there aint no hell.

[ratso]

Now then..with the above off my chest, I can tell vee-driven that he too is a moron.
Religion has it's problems. Many new churches don't even bother to seek out tax exempt status, because they are for profit businesses.
But God is not fake, and you will be rewarded by having a large pile turds to smoke in purgatory....Have a nice eternity!
I'm kinda stuck in the middle... want to believe and all that, but just hard to believe in something or someone that I haven't seen with my own eyes... Not like he's dropped by to say "Hey Dude... it's me Jesus"... Things could be made a lot simpler or easier instead of this guessing game that's being played...

[thatguy]

I have a better one. It is a refrigerator magnet with a similar image, except it has a man (looks like a '50's guy in a suit) kneeling before Jesus. And asking Him,
"Please Jesus, Save me from your followers!"
I think it is pretty cute.
Tommy

[Cheap Thrills]

I can swear there aint no heaven, but I pray there aint no hell.
But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell.
Yes only my dying will tell.
Here I go,
Hey Hey!
Here comes the devil,
Right Behind.
Look out children,
Here he comes!
Here he comes! Hey...
Don't want to go by the devil.
Don't want to go by demon.
Don't want to go by Satan,
Don't want to die uneasy.
Just let me go naturally.
and when I die,
When I'm dead, dead and gone,
There'll be one child born in our world to carry on,
To carry on.;)
T.

[Goad]

sorry, im a dick. :devil:

[riverbound]

I have a better one. It is a refrigerator magnet with a similar image, except it has a man (looks like a '50's guy in a suit) kneeling before Jesus. And asking Him,
"Please Jesus, Save me from your followers!"
I think it is pretty cute.
Tommy
:D

[Jyruiz]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
I could not agree with you more.

[Cole Trickle]

Lots of religious peeps on HB:idea: :eek:
I am smart enough to know there is a reason that we are here but I don't believe in organized religion.
I don't need to sit in a room on sunday or give away 10% of my earnings to the biggest busines in the world to know the difference between right and wrong.
I am a good person because I choose to be and I have faith in the choices that I make.:)

[River Lynchmob]

Here's a pretty good saying:
"I would rather live my life like there is a God and find out that there is not than live my life like there isn't a a God and find out that there is."

[Biglue]

Man, talk about letting the lions out of their cages. LOL
I'm a believer as well. Do I live my life directly as religion would dictate? No.
I also believe that Jesus Christ would let me know where the sobriety check points are. :) :)

[Jyruiz]

Man, talk about letting the lions out of their cages. LOL
I'm a believer as well. Do I live my life directly as religion would dictate? No.
I also believe that Jesus Christ would let me know where the sobriety check points are. :) :)
Of course, he would not want you late to church.:D

[Biglue]

Of course, he would not want you late to church.:D
If I'm going to church directly after a Saturday night of boozin, I think I need AA as bad as I need church. :D :D

[Devilman]

Man, talk about letting the lions out of their cages. LOL
I'm a believer as well. Do I live my life directly as religion would dictate? No.
I also believe that Jesus Christ would let me know where the sobriety check points are. :) :)
He musta been asleep when you were making the decision to go with the backwards tribal flames...... LMAO :D

[airpacker]

Here's a pretty good saying:
"I would rather live my life like there is a God and find out that there is not than live my life like there isn't a a God and find out that there is."
But why? One quick I believe on your death bed is all the insurance most "christian" religions need.
Seriously, I hope believers never feel pity for a non believer like me. Instead, they migh wonder why someone like me doesn't need a ancient tribal belief system in order to feel complete in life.

[thatguy]

But why? One quick I believe on your death bed is all the insurance most "christian" religions need.
Seriously, I hope believers never feel pity for a non believer like me. Instead, they might wonder why someone like me doesn't need a ancient tribal belief system in order to feel complete in life.
Amen to that! But you forgot "mystical". Bottom line? We are by default spiritual beings. Believe or don't is no matter. If this was not true, we would not be here. No chanting or singing required. No donation necessary. I know where I came from and I know where I am going. There are some who feel that organized religion is in fact a sort of Anti-Christ. Not the followers, the institutions. Some days that is easy to believe.
Kinda like asking if one believes in UFOs. As if their belief will determine the fact. Doesn't matter what we think, there either is, or isn't.
Tommy

[Biglue]

He musta been asleep when you were making the decision to go with the backwards tribal flames...... LMAO :D
Had I not been a believer it could have been worse. He could have let me stray even further and bought something with metal flake paint. :D
HMMMM MMMMM MMMMM AMENNNNNN. :D :D :D

[Devilman]

Had I not been a believer it could have been worse. He could have let me stray even further and bought something with metal flake paint. :D
HMMMM MMMMM MMMMM AMENNNNNN. :D :D :D
Metal flake paint is a blessing, one of these days you will be enlightened to this fact. :D May try reading the Bible some, You'll see where Moses lead his people to safety into the desert. The sun would shine on their metalflake ox-carts in a most glorious manner, protecting them from their enemies by blinding them. :rollside:
No really, I ain't shittin ya....... F*cker....:D

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

Here's a pretty good saying:
"I would rather live my life like there is a God and find out that there is not than live my life like there isn't a a God and find out that there is."
agreed..:)

[Gilligan]

If god created man then who created god who was a man?
Explain to me how a virgin gets pregnant. Thats no miracle. You are a fool to believe it.
How come Churches never have enough money?
Believing in heaven and hell is a form a black mail.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell.
Yes only my dying will tell.
Here I go,
Hey Hey!
Here comes the devil,
Right Behind.
Look out children,
Here he comes!
Here he comes! Hey...
Don't want to go by the devil.
Don't want to go by demon.
Don't want to go by Satan,
Don't want to die uneasy.
Just let me go naturally.
and when I die,
When I'm dead, dead and gone,
There'll be one child born in our world to carry on,
To carry on.;)
T.
Blood, Sweat and Tears 1969.

[vee-driven]

Now then..with the above off my chest, I can tell vee-driven that he too is a moron.
Religion has it's problems. Many new churches don't even bother to seek out tax exempt status, because they are "for profit" businesses, and that too is wrong.
But God is not fake, and you will be amply rewarded by having a large pile turds to smoke in purgatory....Have a nice eternity!
Hey ducky, choke on this......!!
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/path5150/church.jpg

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

If god created man then who created god who was a man?
Explain to me how a virgin gets pregnant. Thats no miracle. You are a fool to believe it.
How come Churches never have enough money?
Believing in heaven and hell is a form a black mail.
I have never heard God was a man..
Jesus was a man..

[Biglue]

Metal flake paint is a blessing, one of these days you will be enlightened to this fact. :D May try reading the Bible some, You'll see where Moses lead his people to safety into the desert. The sun would shine on their metalflake ox-carts in a most glorious manner, protecting them from their enemies by blinding them. :rollside:
No really, I ain't shittin ya....... F*cker....:D
LMAO, nice come back focker. :D

[Devilman]

LMAO, nice come back focker. :D
LOL, peyote, ain't it grand? Good times, my friend..... :D :D :D

[River Runin]

Hey ducky, choke on this......!!
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/path5150/church.jpg
Thanks a lot! just spit coffee All over the screen! ROFLMFAO!! :)

[2forcefull]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah
there was a thread somewheres about all the dead people
that went to the meadia claimig there was no god ,
john lenon was one, but the list was huge!!!
could you wear a shirt that says there is no god
so I can stay away.
your god smack is coming,

[vee-driven]

Add me to the list because i to have visited the other side and there was nothing there, not even the so called light at the end of the tunnel. So you go ahead and waste your sunday's with the child molesters and say goodbye to that 10% of your income and when judgement day comes you will feel like a fool or maybe i will but untill then i live by the saying, "god is for those that don't believe in themslves".

[Jyruiz]

Add me to the list because i to have visited the other side and there was nothing there, not even the so called light at the end of the tunnel. So you go ahead and waste your sunday's with the child molesters and say goodbye to that 10% of your income and when judgement day comes you will feel like a fool or maybe i will but untill then i live by the saying, "god is for those that don't believe in themslves".
Just as you are entitled to your beliefs, so is everybody else.

[Kilrtoy]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
This is typical of you MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS.
Everyone thinks that their God is the best god and right way, that is why they follow their beliefs, for you to put others down is so un godfearing, But I would expect nothing more from mister I am everything ...ofcourse you cover your tracks by saying And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct.. I see through your bullshit

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

This is typical of you MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS.
Everyone thinks that their God is the best god and right way, that is why they follow their beliefs, for you to put others down is so un godfearing, But I would expect nothing more from mister I am everything ...ofcourse you cover your tracks by saying And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct.. I see through your bullshit
I don't think that is what he was saying at all..:jawdrop:

[ratso]

Add me to the list because i to have visited the other side and there was nothing there, not even the so called light at the end of the tunnel. So you go ahead and waste your sunday's with the child molesters and say goodbye to that 10% of your income and when judgement day comes you will feel like a fool or maybe i will but untill then i live by the saying, "god is for those that don't believe in themslves".
...like a crutch?:idea:

[2forcefull]

Add me to the list because i to have visited the other side and there was nothing there, not even the so called light at the end of the tunnel. So you go ahead and waste your sunday's with the child molesters and say goodbye to that 10% of your income and when judgement day comes you will feel like a fool or maybe i will but untill then i live by the saying, "god is for those that don't believe in themslves".
believe it or not, you will be brought to your knees!
and when you cry out "GOD HELP ME"
YOU WILL THEN KNOW WHO IS REAL!

[thatguy]

believe it or not, you will be brought to your knees!
and when you cry out "GOD HELP ME"
YOU WILL THEN KNOW WHO IS REAL!
Did you know that because of your vulnerability at being mis-led and mis-guided you above all need our help and support.
It is this misconception of what an entity is that makes earth the "short bus" of all the universe.
Thanks for your judgmental attitude born of ignorance.
Tommy

[Cheap Thrills]

I think what this thread needs is, a chorus of highway to hell followed up by a group hug. :D
T.

[Goad]

Rob Zombie
is
God!
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1915.jpg
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/d/images/devil-s-rejects-3.jpg
“I am the devil, and I am here to do the devil’s work”

[Sleeper CP]

This is typical of you MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS.
Everyone thinks that their God is the best god and right way, that is why they follow their beliefs, for you to put others down is so un godfearing, But I would expect nothing more from mister I am everything ...ofcourse you cover your tracks by saying And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct.. I see through your bullshit
Hello Kilr,
You have already proven to me and many others on this form that you have neither the intellectual capacity,honesty or wits to debate with me. Do you really want to get bitch slapped again?:idea:
For the most part I tried to stay away from the "religion" question and focus more on the God question. You are correct with the words I used " I am not saying that only one religion is correct" as the communicator I was assuming that those that read it would understand what I meant. I believe most did from the amount of times my post was quoted with positive responses. But for the obtuse or argumentative like you I'll spell it out for you:
I don't believe all religions are created equal, I am not a big fan of organized religions.( Off the top of my head I don't think I have been to church more than 10 times in the last 15 years) But I don't care if a person is Christian, Jew, Hendu,Budist....etc or nothing. But I do care if ones religion teaches that you will get to heaven by killing innocent people, by blowing yourself up in a crowed pizza shop and you will be rewarded with 72 virgins.(BTW: I would take 12 rather clean semi-sluts if I had the choice, something tells me they would be a lot more fun).
Religion, no religion I could care less.... God or no God...I care a bunch. I don't know why but I do. Maybe because in my life I have had two important prayers answered 10,000,000:1 shots not by accident not buy my works. Out of my hands and Wow.
The rest I won't debate with a "Tool x2" like yourself, and when I say not all religions are created equal that is a factual statement. If you would like to debate that with me I guess I could be persuaded with the proper dialog, but to be honest with you I don't think you have the capacity. For that I am truly sorry:(
Edit: BTW there is nothing I have ever written on this web site that states I am Mr. Everything. Nor would a reasonble person infer that I have. Only insecure total "Tool x3" like yourself would read that into my prior post. I will say for the record that I am not Mr. Everything I'm just a whole lot better than you, but that does'nt take much.
Sleeper CP

[Kilrtoy]

Hello Kilr,
You have already proven to me and many others on this form that you have neither the intellectual capacity,honesty or wits to debate with me. Do you really want to get bitch slapped again?:idea:
For the most part I tried to stay away from the "religion" question and focus more on the God question. You are correct with the words I used " I am not saying that only one religion is correct" as the communicator I was assuming that those that read it would understand what I meant. I believe most did from the amount of times my post was quoted with positive responses. But for the obtuse or argumentative like you I'll spell it out for you:
I don't believe all religions are created equal, I am not a big fan of organized religions.( Off the top of my head I don't think I have been to church more than 10 times in the last 15 years) But I don't care if a person is Christian, Jew, Hendu,Budist....etc or nothing. But I do care if ones religion teaches that you will get to heaven by killing innocent people, by blowing yourself up in a crowed pizza shop and you will be rewarded with 72 virgins.(BTW: I would take 12 rather clean semi-sluts if I had the choice, something tells me they would be a lot more fun).
Religion, no religion I could care less.... God or no God...I care a bunch. I don't know why but I do. Maybe because in my life I have had two important prayers answered 10,000,000:1 shots not by accident not buy my works. Out of my hands and Wow.
The rest I won't debate with a "Tool" like yourself, and when I say not all religions are created equal that is a factual statement. If you would like to debate that with me I guess I could be persuaded with the proper dialog, but to be honest with you I don't think you have the capacity. For that I am truly sorry:(
Sleeper CP
Thank you for your dissertation of the middle eastern religions I am now so overly enlightened. Don't be fooled by what you read on here, my ability to express myself is surely not used here, Albeit, you are trying your best and im sure having help at it, all the while. What I find more amusing is how you write at a certain comprehension level, but then try to insert some large words as if you have the intelligence to COMMUNICATE appropriately while using these words..
OH And I really dont care to debate religion with you or anyone else

[HOOTER SLED-]

Thank you for your dissertation of the middle eastern religions I am now so overly enlightened. Don't be fooled by what you read on here, my ability to express myself is surely not used here, Albeit, you are trying your best and im sure having help at it, all the while. What I find more amusing is how you write at a certain comprehension level, but then try to insert some large words as if you have the intelligence to COMMUNICATE appropriately while using these words..
OH And I really dont care to debate religion with you or anyone else
So what are your thoughts on Satan?:devil: :D

[HOOTER SLED-]

...like a crutch?:idea:
LOL!!! Relgious peeps are a bunch of gimps. :D

[Sleeper CP]

OH And I really dont care to debate religion with you or anyone else
Then don't.
Is that plain enough for you? Communicated properly? "Tool x4"
Sleeper CP

[Kilrtoy]

So what are your thoughts on Satan?:devil: :D
I think my views on TOPLESS are well documented these forums

[HOOTER SLED-]

Lots of religious peeps on HB:idea: :eek:
I am smart enough to know there is a reason that we are here but I don't believe in organized religion.
I don't need to sit in a room on sunday or give away 10% of my earnings to the biggest busines in the world to know the difference between right and wrong.
I am a good person because I choose to be and I have faith in the choices that I make.:)
You're forgetting the real reason here as well.............................................. ...............you're gay and you know damn well that shit don't fly in church. At least not out in the open. :D

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Lots of religious peeps on HB:idea: :eek:
I am smart enough to know there is a reason that we are here but I don't believe in organized religion.
I don't need to sit in a room on sunday or give away 10% of my earnings to the biggest busines in the world to know the difference between right and wrong.
I am a good person because I choose to be and I have faith in the choices that I make.:)
Exactly! Going to church every week does not make you a good person just as not going does not make you a bad person...

[HOOTER SLED-]

I think my views on TOPLESS are well documented these forums
LMAO!!! Satan is male. Are you saying she is hiding something in her pants?:D

[Kilrtoy]

LMAO!!! Satan is male. Are you saying she is hiding something in her pants?:D
Are you saying Satin had a Dr. Alter sex change

[HOOTER SLED-]

Are you saying Satin had a Dr. Alter sex change
Maybe that's why her name isn't Bottomless, cuz than his..............eeeerrr her secret would be out...............literally. :D :D

[MBlaster]

Add me to the list because i to have visited the other side and there was nothing there, not even the so called light at the end of the tunnel.
So like, are you a dead guy or a zombie or something?
WTF did you rise from the dead?
Maybe there wasn't any light cause you weren't going that way.:devil:

[Cole Trickle]

You're forgetting the real reason here as well.............................................. ...............you're gay and you know damn well that shit don't fly in church. At least not out in the open. :D
Quit trying to force your life style on me.......
I am ok with you and Diddy being queers becuase you both have hot wifes that are fun to party with. Just because your two favorite activities are gardening and playing with male balls dosen't mean I want to join your "crew"
Please stop inviting me to those "special" get away weekends with Mel,Snake,Gayza and Phag daddy........For the last time I'm not going!!!!!!:mad: :( :D

[ratso]

So like, are you a dead guy or a zombie or something?
WTF did you rise from the dead?
Maybe there wasn't any light cause you weren't going that way.:devil:
:jawdrop:

[Sanger D]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)

[Cole Trickle]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)
Religion is obviously a big part of your life...cool:) :)

[2forcefull]

Did you know that because of your vulnerability at being mis-led and mis-guided you above all need our help and support.
It is this misconception of what an entity is that makes earth the "short bus" of all the universe.
Thanks for your judgmental attitude born of ignorance.
Tommy
you're quite welcome

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)
I'm sorry, but I have to do it. A few typos, I can overlook, but perhaps you should put your nose in a book. . . a grammar one.
The Bible is not fact, it is considered literature. There are many historical facts in there, but there are also many fallacies (such as the dating of the world, for one). It was written by men, not God. Men make mistakes and have agendas. Much of it was written by one man (Paul). Don't come on here like you are more "intelligent" than the rest of us. If you want to believe, fine. Go for it, but for you to call those who don't unintelligent is asinine. Is the Dalai Lama unintelligent? What about Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Ernest Hemingway and Ben Franklin? I bet at least they could spell and put a sentence together properly, or use the tools to make it look like they could.
LOL, except for Einstein, he couldn't spell worth beans.

[Kilrtoy]

I'm sorry, but I have to do it. A few typos, I can overlook, but perhaps you should put your head in a book. . . a grammar one.
The Bible is not fact, it is considered literature. There are many historical facts in there, but there are also many fallacies (such as the dating of the world, for one). It was written by men, not God. Men make mistakes and have agendas. Much of it was written by one man (Paul). Don't come on here like you are more "intelligent" than the rest of us. If you want to believe, fine. Go for it, but for you to call those who don't unintelligent is asinine. Is the Dalai Lama unintelligent? What about Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Ernest Hemingway and Ben Franklin? I bet at least they could spell, or use the tools to make it look like they could.
LOL, except for Einstein, he couldn't spell worth beans.
DAMN, Next time I see you can you give me a refresher course please, This may be a few day experiment

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

DAMN, Next time I see you can you give me a refresher course please, This may be a few day experiment
LOL In what? Grammar? Sorry, you're out of luck. I don't teach English. I know how to write, but I don't know how to explain why we do things the way we do. Now, history on the other hand . . . :D

[Cole Trickle]

I'm sorry, but I have to do it. A few typos, I can overlook, but perhaps you should put your nose in a book. . . a grammar one.
The Bible is not fact, it is considered literature. There are many historical facts in there, but there are also many fallacies (such as the dating of the world, for one). It was written by men, not God. Men make mistakes and have agendas. Much of it was written by one man (Paul). Don't come on here like you are more "intelligent" than the rest of us. If you want to believe, fine. Go for it, but for you to call those who don't unintelligent is asinine. Is the Dalai Lama unintelligent? What about Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Ernest Hemingway and Ben Franklin? I bet at least they could spell and put a sentence together properly, or use the tools to make it look like they could.
LOL, except for Einstein, he couldn't spell worth beans.
Bravo....You said what I started to type.:)

[Biglue]

Bravo....You said what I started to type.:)
Yeah right. LMAO

[Cole Trickle]

Yeah right. LMAO
You mad at me today?:D :idea:
I promise to put the $50.00 I owe you for doing the lawns under the matt next thursday....lol:devil: :eek: :D
<------wen't to a christian school for a bunch of years and read the Da Vinci Code:D;)

[vee-driven]

So basically the bible is a bunch of he said she said bull sh!t. I hear in prison the bible makes fine wrapping paper for smokes. Think about how fuked up a story gets from the point of origin and after a handful of people telling the story to their friends it turns out not even being close to what really happened.

[vee-driven]

believe it or not, you will be brought to your knees!
and when you cry out "GOD HELP ME"
YOU WILL THEN KNOW WHO IS REAL!
Sounds like you know "god" personally, as for me the few times i have been to church for weddings and funerals, the B.S. coming out of the preachers mouth forces me and my friends to the parking lot to crack some cold beers and jesus christ it is hot in there too!

[iRepo]

I think John Lennon nailed it:
God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I'll say it again
God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in Kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me...and that reality
The dream is over
What can I say?
the Dream is Over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
and so dear friends
you'll just have to carry on
The Dream is over

[Troy McClure]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)
DAMN...,After reading that, I think I'm just going to join up with TomKat and become a Scientologist.
<------SINNER!!!!!!!!:D

[2forcefull]

Sounds like you know "god" personally, as for me the few times i have been to church for weddings and funerals, the B.S. coming out of the preachers mouth forces me and my friends to the parking lot to crack some cold beers and jesus christ it is hot in there too!
very personal, I've been to the white room!
I like you was an unbeliever, I was brought to my knees
you'll not find God In church,you will find him in your heart!
you and only you can open the door to your heart and let him in.
god is not church,I don't drink but I'd rather crack a cold one with you
than set in church, I think church is for people who want to act like they
are without sin.
Me my friend, I'm a sinner. like Matthew, I have ask'd God how long will he
punish me for my sins, he has reply'd, at least till I quit doing them!
And when you pray,you are not to be as the hypocrites,
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues,
and on the street corners in order to be seen by men.
when you pray go to your inner room
matthew 6.6

[Tom Brown]

I hate you all.
Tom 1.0

[2forcefull]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah
guess what? you've been in church since 12 am,
go crack a cold one, in fact have one for me!!!

[Troy McClure]

I hate you all.
Tom 1.0
NICE, where can I get a copy of that book??:sqeyes:

[Kilrtoy]

OH NO they are qouting scripture now
I say this everytime I log onto ***boat
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

[2forcefull]

I hate you all.
Tom 1.0
For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life,
and few are those who find it
matthew7.14

[oilfieldtrash]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
i second that!
beliveing in god and having faith is a way of life and a choice that you have to make in this journey called life! i personaly try to let god guide me threw my day here on earth and help me bcome a better person along the way.

[Tom Brown]

Thou shall not post images of a pornographic nature.
Rex 1.0

[NashvilleBound]

very personal, I've been to the white room!
I like you was an unbeliever, I was brought to my knees
you'll not find God In church,you will find him in your heart!
you and only you can open the door to your heart and let him in.
god is not church,I don't drink but I'd rather crack a cold one with you
than set in church, I think church is for people who want to act like they
are without sin.
Me my friend, I'm a sinner. like Matthew, I have ask'd God how long will he
punish me for my sins, he has reply'd, at least till I quit doing them!
And when you pray,you are not to be as the hypocrites,
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues,
and on the street corners in order to be seen by men.
when you pray go to your inner room
matthew 6.6
With all this bible bashing talk I dont know weather to take this seriously or not.... But I hope its true tho. It would be nice to know there are a few of us here that are not scared to voice thier opinions in their belief of God.
This thread really bothers me...... I am most certainly not judging anyone for their views.........to each thier own...... still just stating that it bothers me.
And I know...... if it bothers you dont read it, right?? Well some things you just have to read especially as a believer and the thread is titled "God is fake". Things like this just make you wonder........ :idea: :idea:

[2forcefull]

OH NO they are qouting scripture now
I say this everytime I log onto ***boat
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
lol
2.forceful

[2forcefull]

With all this bible bashing talk I dont know weather to take this seriously or not.... But I hope its true tho. It would be nice to know there are a few of us here that are not scared to voice thier opinions in their belief of God.
This thread really bothers me...... I am most certainly not judging anyone for their views.........to each thier own...... still just stating that it bothers me.
And I know...... if it bothers you dont read it, right?? Well some things you just have to read espeially as a believer and the thread is titled "God is fake". Things like this just make you wonder........ :idea: :idea:
for fisher of men this is like shoot'n um in a barrel!!!!
the spirt of god is here and it has drawn the hungry for life

[Jbb]

I hate you all.
Tom 1.0
Care said she hates you and wants to stab you with an Ice pick.......are you busy Friday?

[Tom Brown]

This thread really bothers me...... I am most certainly not judging anyone for their views.........to each thier own...... still just stating that it bothers me.
Perhaps this thread is a test? :)
I enjoy it when people share their beliefs, regardless of what they might be. :cool:

[Jbb]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38110&stc=1&d=1188350396

[NashvilleBound]

Perhaps this thread is a test? :)
I enjoy it when people share their beliefs, regardless of what they might be. :cool:
Me too...... just so much negativity towards religion.... its really quite interesting.... scary but interesting. :D

[Tom Brown]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38110&stc=1&d=1188350396
Amen, brotha. :cool:

[Sleeper CP]

I hate you all.
Tom 1.0
If I look up cynic in the dictionary will I see a picture of you?;)
Oh, that might be considered a big word by some one here.;)
Sleeper CP
565" Ford, 1,000+ HP safely used since 1992:D

[2forcefull]

see what happens when you can't spell!!!!
clapton
is
GOOD!!!

[Sleeper CP]

So basically the bible is a bunch of he said she said bull sh!t. I hear in prison the bible makes fine wrapping paper for smokes. Think about how fuked up a story gets from the point of origin and after a handful of people telling the story to their friends it turns out not even being close to what really happened.
I have a few "good" Christian friends that get a little torqued at me when I remind them that the Bible was written by people who believed that the sun revolved around the earth. And had no idea at all about what the stars we gaze at are. It's one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of organized religions. It is a way to control the masses,which when you look at it is not necessarily a bad thing.:idea:
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover, 1,000+ HP Safely used since 1992:D

[Tom Brown]

God is real. This thread is fake.

[Mrs. 20]

This board is volatile right now. I thought this thread started off as a joke, and now look at it. :jawdrop: :rolleyes:

[EAZYKILLER2006]

I can swear there aint no heaven, but I pray there aint no hell.
:jawdrop:
heaven is here on earth
i put my life in gods hands, everyday...
but when the devil calls:sqeyes:
i dont answer:devil:

[Mrs. 20]

God is real. This thread is fake.
Totally.
Any more inspirations??? :D

[Troubles No More]

"Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him"
I‘ve made my share of mistakes in life and I done things I’m not proud of and wish I could go back and change it, but that’s life, you just keep moving forward.
But when I’m down and don’t have my wife or friends around to lean on, I always used the below note to get thru to the next day.
I Had a Dream
One night I had a dream
I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene I noticed two sets
of footprints in the sand,
one belonging to me
and the other to my Lord.
When the last scene of my life shot before me
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
There was only on set of footprints.
I realized that this was at the lowest
and saddest times in my life.
This always bothered me
and I questioned the Lord
about my dilemma.
"Lord, you told me when I decided to follow You,
You would walk and talk with me all the way.
But I'm aware that during the most troublesome
times of my life there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You most,
you leave me."
He whispered, "My precious, precious child,
I love you and will never leave you
never, ever during your times of trial and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints
It was then that I carried you."

[vee-driven]

:jawdrop:
heaven is here on earth
i put my life in gods hands, everyday...
but when the devil calls:sqeyes:
i dont answer:devil:
Sorta like, heaven and hell is what you make it here on earth. So that being said, i guess my god is Benjamin Franklin, $100 bills ya'll. "In god we trust and all others pay cash".

[thatguy]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)
Got a couple questions for you.
1) What was Jesus BEFORE being born?
Answer= An accended master, like Red Cloud, Mahatma Zoser, etc. Jesus did not "Die" as we know it. He was already accended Before being "personified" as a human. His effort was one of pure love for us. By being born as a mortal, he attempted to show us that we are in fact spiritual beings. Unfortunatley, he overestimated mans ability to grasp the concept and the whole affair was misconstrued and misinterprated. Mortal man did not understand and it went horribly wrong. I would think He weeps still about it. Which leads me to question 2.
2) Why have more people been killed through out history in the name of Christianity (perhaps with ulterior motives, granted) than all other reasons combined?
Answer= Because Christianity wrongly believes that Jesus is the ONLY road to salvation. And will CONVINCE the masses by any means. (Well not so much by violence these days, thankfully). Organized religion is spiritual ONLY for the faithful follower, not the internal workings of the religion itself. This is why the Catholic Church in particular is widley considered to be the "Anti-Christ". (..walks like a man, talks like a man...?)
I do not mean to offend here. These are things I have more or less "known" in my mind since my earliest memories. Long before I refused to enter a church in the second grade and have never been in one since.
It seems that Mankinds failure to grasp what should be so obvious will never be reconciled.
God is a word containing 3 letters. The force that drives this universe is not a mystical old man in a beard. It is a power that we just can't comprehend, and niether could the humans who witnessed ancient happenings, and so we have made our own ideas about it. And wrote books about it.
Mahatma Zoser was an Egyptian Pharaoe during the third dynasty. He wrote that in the first half of his life (4th) he cosidered himself a God. But later, he realized He was merely a "tool" for Gods word. It is noteworthy that He uses the word "GOD" in the singular form and not a specific god such as Zues.
Later writings attributed to him show that after his third life time as a mortal, He became accended. Appr. 300 years after his mortal demise. It took him half of his 4th (and final) lifetime to remember who he was, so to speak. (Like Jesus)
Red Cloud wrote that after experiencing "the change called death" we return to "the spiritual plane" a place right here. He said the open minded sometimes have memories, such as re-occuring dreams. And that glimpses of this plane are possible. He also wrote that the more a person is involved in organized types of religion, the more difficult their return is. They refuse to believe what they are experiencing and require much love and comfort from loved ones who have passed. He also says "No Book can tell you, but there ARE books that can lead you to the path". And " NO Man can teach you, but there have been men who can show you the way". Interesting.
Here is what is also interesting. These types of figures ALL wrote and voiced virtually identicle points of view. Well, fact, to them.
They are thousands of years and miles apart.
They ALL talk of GOD. Not this god or that god.
They ALL speak of "Shambola", heaven, to You and I.
They ALL say "Shambola" is for "Accended Masters" It's perfection can not be comprimised or it would not be Shambola.
They ALL talk of the spiritual plane we come from and return to. NOT HEAVEN. (see above)
To accend, ones spirit must possess NO hatred and must be one of "Pure Love" This is accomplished over a varrying number of lives on earth.
(If your good you go to heaven, if your bad you go to hell?)
More accurate= If you make progress in a life you are closer to accension, if not, more lifetimes.
These are the thoughts and writings of others, not mine so don't attack me please.
It doesn't take long to realize that next to these types of examples organized religion is almost comical and regressive. NOT for the followers, they truly believe, and that is what is important for the person. It gets them through life, but really doesn't help them later.
Before attacking a brother and telling him they are going to a hell that does not exist, STUDY for yourself. I knew early on that NO LIVING MAN knows more about where I come from than I do. I certainly am not going to listen to a man who profits from it telling me about my spiritual journey. And I feel so helpless for a person who condems me because I refuse to be brainwashed by another oxygen breathing creature. WE, as Jesus, Zoser, Red Cloud etc. were, are all from the same camp. And the segregation of beliefs is what our biggest "sin" is.
"Friar" Tommy :D

[Classic Daycruiser]

and religion is a business.....! just thought i'd throw that into the ***boat pile of sh!t. hahahah
God's Business:D :D :D
May god have mercy on your soul. :eek:

[Sleeper CP]

Can I come over and have a hit off that peace pipe you're smoking?;) :idea:
Interesting idea's. Did you ever see the movie "Defending your Life"?
Sleeper CP

[HOOTER SLED-]

Quit trying to force your life style on me.......
I am ok with you and Diddy being queers becuase you both have hot wifes that are fun to party with. Just because your two favorite activities are gardening and playing with male balls dosen't mean I want to join your "crew"
Please stop inviting me to those "special" get away weekends with Mel,Snake,Gayza and Phag daddy........For the last time I'm not going!!!!!!:mad: :( :D
Bitch..that's cuz you just want your Djunkie to yourself. You don't wanna get cock blocked by all those other homos. :D So, who plays the priest and who plays the altar boy during your role playing sessions in the bedroom?:crossx: :crossx: :crossx: :jawdrop:

[HOOTER SLED-]

Jesus is a beaner name. Down with Whitey. :D :devil:

[Kim Hanson]

You will all be damned in hell for this ya know.........( . )( . ).........:(

[Racey]

God is man's all-encompassing solution to the things he doesn't yet understand.
As science continues to unlock more and more of the mysteries of our physical universe 'God' becomes more and more irrelevant.
Look back just a century or two in time and you will find all sorts of beliefs that man held to be true back then to be simply preposterous today.
How many times throughout history has the church been forced to recant it's teachings/beliefs as science has offered the actual truth behind nature to the people?

[Sleeper CP]

God is man's all-encompassing solution to the things he doesn't yet understand.
As science continues to unlock more and more of the mysteries of our physical universe 'God' becomes more and more irrelevant.
Do you believe that we are here for any reason and is this all that there is?
What do you think?
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover, 1,000+ HP safely used since 1992:D

[bohica]

Johnny Lydon's take on religion:eek:
Stained glass windows keep the cold outside
While the hypocrites hide inside
With the lies of statues in their minds
Where the Christian religion made them blind
Where they hide
And prey to the God of a bitch spelled backwards is dog
Not for one race, one creed, one world
But for money
Effective
Absurd
Do you pray to the Holy Ghost when you suck your host
Do you read who’s dead in the Irish Post
Do you give away the cash you can’t afford
On bended knees and pray to lord
Fat pig priest
Sanctimonious smiles
He takes the money
You take the lies
This is religion and Jesus Christ
This is religion cheaply priced
This is bibles full of libel
This is sin in eternal hymn
This is what they’ve done
This is your religion
The apostles were eleven
Now there’s a sod in Heaven
This is religion
There’s a liar on the altar
The sermon never falter
This is religion
Your religion

[Tom Brown]

You will all be damned in hell for this ya know.........( . )( . ).........:(
Hell. (http://www.***boat.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8)

[HP350SC]

God is man's all-encompassing solution to the things he doesn't yet understand.
As science continues to unlock more and more of the mysteries of our physical universe 'God' becomes more and more irrelevant.
Look back just a century or two in time and you will find all sorts of beliefs that man held to be true back then to be simply preposterous today.
How many times throughout history has the church been forced to recant it's teachings/beliefs as science has offered the actual truth behind nature to the people?
Exactly.
We as humans, historically had to have an explanation for things we could not understand.
When there are no more unknowns, (which may happen someday if we don't kill ourselves first), I wonder how much conflict there will be between the opposing sides....
I do believe that faith helps some people cope that otherwise couldn't. I got no problem with that. Also, that 10 commandments dealio is a good basis for civilized mankind.:D

[thatguy]

Can I come over and have a hit off that peace pipe you're smoking?;) :idea:
Interesting idea's. Did you ever see the movie "Defending your Life"?
Sleeper CP
Yes I have seen it! Great movie. (Albert Brooks).
My favorite part is when he is told "Kids don't have to defend their life, they go straight up"
Tommy
PS - Don't smoke a peace pipe anymore, but maybe the damage was done when I was younger! :) :)

[thatguy]

You will all be damned in hell for this ya know.........( . )( . ).........:(
I am already in hell!! :D Hey Kimmy, did you see the bear in my truck?
Tommy

[airpacker]

:rolleyes: once again ,the intellegance of hot boat posters has me LOL!!!! Before spewing off like you know something about something, you people should try putting your nose in a book, like the bible,( king james , or new american standard ,or any of the like) and educating yourselves. You will find many answers to your confused and spirit killing point of veiws, CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religeon,.....its a relationship!!!!!GOD is NOT a man, GOD is a trinity,the Father, (creator) the SON,(Jesus ,who was god in man form for 33 years, and the HOLY SPIRIT ,wich was given to us when christ was crucified. You think you would have alittle more feeling towards someone who gave his life for you, even though you didnt ask him to.To say you are a good person and are worthy of ANYTHING without first aknowledging what was done for you is pretty selfish.Me , I do care what you beleive and I would hope you would come to know GOD. I do know in time you will,weather its in a wheel chair or upside down in a burning car or maybe your childs missfortune, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW HIM!!!!!!!! Tell me one child thats born good, you do not have to teach a child to be bad or to do wrong, instead you have to teach it the oppisite . YOU were born into sin and you must come to know christ by whatever means and be saved.YOU will NEVER be perfect or close to it and Jesus loves you just the same,he loves you now and forever,but you must come to terms with him and you will one day,...............EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its up to you when and how you do this.GOD BLESS YOU:D :D :D ......OH and I am blessed for you critisizing me on his behalf.:)
Ah yes, the old "born into sin" BS. What better way to start brainwashing someone than when they are young and vulnerable. What supposedly all loving, all caring GOD would dare accuse a newly born child of being guilty of committing sin? Have you ever heard the phrase innocent until proven guilty?
Sorry, that was done to aid in the total control of the masses by the power hungry few. There have always been and will always be those that play on the fears of others in order to gain and keep control over them.
Telling me that Jesus, a wood worker who just happened to be Jewish died for my sins, things that wouldn't be done for over a thousand years is what I should believe, telling me that I WILL COME TO KNOW GOD and that I WILL BOW DOWN TO HIM sounds like the ramblings of a cult member.
Make no mistake, Christianity is a cult, just like any and all other "religions" are cults. If there was one God, and if he was all powerful, and if he created all the universe, and if he created man in his image, and if he controls all of life here on Earth, the logical reality would be that everyone would look exactly the same, everyone would believe in the exact same things, everyone would practice the exact same religion, everyone would worship the exact same "God" etc. Millions of lives would not have been lost to religious zealots of many, many different cults throughout the ages. Millions of lives would not have been lost to hunger, disease,war,natural disaster because the "love of God" would have prevented these things from happening. Unless of course, your "God" is an evil, self centered, brutal dictator who created all the different religions so that his "children" would war against each other, enslave each other, rape and murder each other for his own private entertainment.
Sounds like a real nice guy to worship.
No sir, I will not come to know God. I will not worship someone or something that would create a world filled with violence and hatred and treachery. No sir I will not.

[Jbb]

Ah yes, the old "born into sin" BS. What better way to start brainwashing someone than when they are young and vulnerable. What supposedly all loving, all caring GOD would dare accuse a newly born child of being guilty of committing sin? Have you ever heard the phrase innocent until proven guilty?
Sorry, that was done to aid in the total control of the masses by the power hungry few. There have always been and will always be those that play on the fears of others in order to gain and keep control over them.
Telling me that Jesus, a wood worker who just happened to be Jewish died for my sins, things that wouldn't be done for over a thousand years is what I should believe, telling me that I WILL COME TO KNOW GOD and that I WILL BOW DOWN TO HIM sounds like the ramblings of a cult member.
Make no mistake, Christianity is a cult, just like any and all other "religions" are cults. If there was one God, and if he was all powerful, and if he created all the universe, and if he created man in his image, and if he controls all of life here on Earth, the logical reality would be that everyone would look exactly the same, everyone would believe in the exact same things, everyone would practice the exact same religion, everyone would worship the exact same "God" etc. Millions of lives would not have been lost to religious zealots of many, many different cults throughout the ages. Millions of lives would not have been lost to hunger, disease,war,natural disaster because the "love of God" would have prevented these things from happening. Unless of course, your "God" is an evil, self centered, brutal dictator who created all the different religions so that his "children" would war against each other, enslave each other, rape and murder each other for his own private entertainment.
Sounds like a real nice guy to worship.
No sir, I will not come to know God. I will not worship someone or something that would create a world filled with violence and hatred and treachery. No sir I will not.
Tom Brown sometimes makes his bitches call him God....:jawdrop:

[2forcefull]

WOW!
here's how I see life, Salvation;
when you are born, you are droped
in the middle of the largest ocean.
at some point you are approched
by two powers, GOOD-BAD
GOOD= GOD, JESUS
BAD = SATAN
YOU CANNOT see land in any direction
good says " hang on to this branch and
swim towards me and I will show you
paridise,eternal life it's just a short distance away"
The branch (jesus) WAS PUT THERE FOR YOU!
If you hang on to the branch you will make it
to the island just over the horizon
I have prepared a place for you, heaven
Bad pulls up in brand new DCB, triple blower motors,
stereo bump'n, girls in paste's, ice chests full of booze
and say "Get in, let that branch go, put this new life line jacket on
We're gonna party like rock stars"
"if you will give your soul to me the boat is yours,
I have prepared a place for you, the sand bar.
I tell you, many many many will let go of the branch

[ratso]

Soul;)
Satan;)
Satin is a fabric
Sole is on the bottom of your shoe...
At least you spelled "God" right.

[thatguy]

WOW!
here's how I see life, Salvation;
when you are born, you are droped
in the middle of the largest ocean.
at some point you are approched
by two powers, GOOD-BAD
GOOD= GOD, JESUS
BAD = SATIN
YOU CANNOT see land in any direction
good says " hang on to this branch and
swim towards me and I will show you
paridise,eternal life it's just a short distance away"
The branch (jesus) WAS PUT THERE FOR YOU!
If you hang on to the branch you will make it
to the island just over the horizon
I have prepared a place for you, heaven
Bad pulls up in brand new DCB, triple blower motors,
stereo bump'n, girls in paste's, ice chests full of booze
and say "Get in, let that branch go, put this new life line jacket on
We're gonna party like rock stars"
"if you will give your sole to me the boat is yours,
I have prepared a place for you, the sand bar.
I tell you, many many many will let go of the branch
And I see more than one branch floating in a huge ocean. Expand your horizon on that ocean, you may gain even greater insights as to your being. And don't worry, not every other branch is the devil.
Tommy
PS- That is good shat about the DCB!! Made me smile and laugh!!:D :D

[Devilman]

Soul;)
Satan;)
Satin is a fabric
Sole is on the bottom of your shoe...
At least you spelled "God" right.
Damn Ratso, here I was thinkin to myself, "Self, thats one badass boat you could have, if I just give the devil the bottom of my shoe." Thanks for nothin mannnnnn. LOL :D

[little rowe boat]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
Great post.

[2forcefull]

WOW!
here's how I see life, Salvation;
when you are born, you are droped
in the middle of the largest ocean.
at some point you are approched
by two powers, GOOD-BAD
GOOD= GOD, JESUS
BAD = SATAN
YOU CANNOT see land in any direction
good says " hang on to this branch and
swim towards me and I will show you
paridise,eternal life it's just a short distance away"
The branch (jesus) WAS PUT THERE FOR YOU!
If you hang on to the branch you will make it
to the island just over the horizon
I have prepared a place for you, heaven
Bad pulls up in brand new DCB, triple blower motors,
stereo bump'n, girls in paste's, ice chests full of booze
and say "Get in, let that branch go, put this new life line jacket on
We're gonna party like rock stars"
"if you will give your soul to me the boat is yours,
I have prepared a place for you, the sand bar.
I tell you, many many many will let go of the branch
hows that

[Sleeper CP]

Make no mistake, Christianity is a cult, just like any and all other "religions" are cults. If there was one God, and if he was all powerful, and if he created all the universe, and if he created man in his image, and if he controls all of life here on Earth, the logical reality would be that everyone would look exactly the same, everyone would believe in the exact same things, everyone would practice the exact same religion, everyone would worship the exact same "God" etc. Millions of lives would not have been lost to religious zealots of many, many different cults throughout the ages. Millions of lives would not have been lost to hunger, disease,war,natural disaster because the "love of God" would have prevented these things from happening. Unless of course, your "God" is an evil, self centered, brutal dictator who created all the different religions so that his "children" would war against each other, enslave each other, rape and murder each other for his own private entertainment.
This is a non sequitur if I have ever seen one.(Sorry if it's a big word, someone here may have to get a dictionary to look it up) Just because one God or if one God created every thing and every one on earth it doesn't go to follow that everyone would look the same or believe the same. The "we are created in Gods image thing" has always hit me a little strange. If an entity can create all of this (universe) how or why would he "it" look anything like us. There is only one reason why Jesus is shown to have blond hair and blue eyes. The Europeans drew him that way to put "him" in "their" image. I've seen a lot of people from that part of the world and as of yet none with long blond hair and blue eyes.
Back to the original point, fortunately or unfortunately God gave us free will. We are free to act as we will and believe as we will and create as many messes as we can on this little third rock from the sun. It may all begin and end here for us, I for one hope and believe that it doesn't. I would like to know and see what is beyond the confinds of this little rock we occupy.
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover

[ULTRA26 # 1]

And I see more than one branch floating in a huge ocean. Expand your horizon on that ocean, you may gain even greater insights as to your being. And don't worry, not every other branch is the devil.
Tommy
PS- That is good shat about the DCB!! Made me smile and laugh!!:D :D
The result of good parenting is generally good children, good children generally become good adults. Some good people believe in God and Satan and some don't. Nonetheless they are still good people. I too believe that God = Good. Suggesting that good people, who don't share the religious beliefs of other good people, are doomed to an eternity of fire and brimstone, destroys the goodness or Godliness in such beliefs.

[thatguy]

The result of good parenting is generally good children, good children generally become good adults. Some good people believe in God and Satan and some don't. Nonetheless they are still good people. I too believe that God = Good. Suggesting that good people, who don't share the religious beliefs of other good people, are doomed to an eternity of fire and brimstone, destroys the goodness or Godliness in such beliefs.
I am in full agreement. :)
That is one of my points in my rambling post earlier. I just can't say it as eloquently as you do!:D
Tommy

[Sleeper CP]

. Suggesting that good people, who don't share the religious beliefs of other good people, are doomed to an eternity of fire and brimstone, destroys the goodness or Godliness in such beliefs.
One would think:idea:
BTW: Thanks to all that have responded favorably to my first post on this subject. I believe that all but one understood my intent.
And, you know I had a lot of help with that post.....God.
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover, 1,000+HP Safely used since 1992:D

[airpacker]

hows that
Well, the spelling is better.
PS, I say who needs the branch or the boat. I'll just swim my way wherever "I" want to go :D

[OutCole'd]

My favorite part is if you repent, you are forgiven and can get into heaven, but if your a good person that does not worship, you can't.
So Hitler can repent and get into heaven, and I can't?????:confused:

[Racey]

Do you believe that we are here for any reason and is this all that there is?
Is it that hard to believe that life is just simply, well, that simple?
what more would you really want.
I don't need to have a reason for existence
Personally i think this life we have, our self-awareness, and the things we can achieve during this life, is more than enough to satisfy. Heaven and hell, to me that's what you make of your time here on earth.
I think this is inspiring...
Being the only animals that understand our time here is limited, and that one day we too will perish just as our fathers, and father's fathers have, it makes it easy to see how the big question came about in the first place. Bearing witness to the magic of nature, and not having a true understanding of what was actually happening, Man naturally opted for the simple solution, a man behind the curtain pulling the strings obviously explains it all.
Floods, Storms, Erupting Volcanoes, Eclipses, Comets, Shooting Stars were all 'known fact' at one time to be messages from the gods, The earth was the center of the universe according to the holiest of holies for centuries. Well as history shows this is all certainly ridiculous. As time goes on more and more 'Miracles' will be given explanations based on fact and evidence, not biased belief. 400 years ago Galileo went against the church reguarding the earth's rotation around the sun, he was put on trial for heresy. I wonder what secrets man will unlock in the next 400 years that may seem preposterous today?

[airpacker]

. There is only one reason why Jesus is shown to have blond hair and blue eyes. The Europeans drew him that way to put "him" in "their" image. I've seen a lot of people from that part of the world and as of yet none with long blond hair and blue eyes.
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover
I have seen many parts of this world and you know what? Jesus looks different almost every where you go. So, who got it right?
Do you believe that out of a billion galaxies and a 100 billion,billion stars and how many countless billions of planets revolving around those stars that "god" only saw fit to bring life forth on this one tiny, insignificant planet? You see, I believe that we as a race, the human race are but one of many species of life in the universe. Did your "God" create those life forms as well or would each planet have its own "God". Now, before you dismiss my beliefs in life other than here on Earth, I will ask you to just believe in it as you and others would ask me to just believe in your "God". No, I cannot prove that life exists elsewhere but, you cannot prove that "God" exists either.

[Jbb]

Brown said he was....."probed" aboard a UFO once...:jawdrop:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My favorite part is if you repent, you are forgiven and can get into heaven, but if your a good person that does not worship, you can't.
So Hitler can repent and get into heaven, and I can't?????:confused:
Scary stuff :eek:
I have seen many parts of this world and you know what? Jesus looks different almost every where you go. So, who got it right?
Do you believe that out of a billion galaxies and a 100 billion,billion stars and how many countless billions of planets revolving around those stars that "god" only saw fit to bring life forth on this one tiny, insignificant planet? You see, I believe that we as a race, the human race are but one of many species of life in the universe. Did your "God" create those life forms as well or would each planet have its own "God". Now, before you dismiss my beliefs in life other than here on Earth, I will ask you to just believe in it as you and others would ask me to just believe in your "God". No, I cannot prove that life exists elsewhere but, you cannot prove that "God" exists either.
From what he has written here, it seems you and sleeper see more eye to eye than you realize.

[cab_01]

Does anyone here believe in Adam and Eve?
How about Noah's Ark and the flood?

[lucky]

Does anyone here believe in Adam and Eve?
How about Noah's Ark and the flood?
why yes i do! Adam was put on earth and complained to god of being lonely , and along came Eve , now adam only complains of a headache !
Noah's my hero - any one with a large boat and TWO sets of animals :D that is going to save the world is ok in my books :D

[Sleeper CP]

I have seen many parts of this world and you know what? Jesus looks different almost every where you go. So, who got it right?
Do you believe that out of a billion galaxies and a 100 billion,billion stars and how many countless billions of planets revolving around those stars that "god" only saw fit to bring life forth on this one tiny, insignificant planet? You see, I believe that we as a race, the human race are but one of many species of life in the universe. Did your "God" create those life forms as well or would each planet have its own "God". Now, before you dismiss my beliefs in life other than here on Earth, I will ask you to just believe in it as you and others would ask me to just believe in your "God". No, I cannot prove that life exists elsewhere but, you cannot prove that "God" exists either.
Oh no, don't take me wrong, not only do I believe that God created evolution I believe that he created it in many more places than here. Of all the billions of stars in the 100's of millions of galaxies that are out there, we better not be the only thing here "What an incredible waste of Space" if we are. I would think that a God that would create all of this would not leave it to a bunch of primitive idiots like us. He or "it" would have to be smarter than that. Wouldn't he:idea:
I truly hope that there is life elsewhere. If "we" are all that there is it will be an incredible let down for me.:( And what a waste of space.
Sleeper CP

[Sleeper CP]

Scary stuff :eek:
From what he has written here, it seems you and sleeper see more eye to eye than you realize.
Ultra, quite perceptive of you.:)
Oh, there I go again with another big word....;)
Sleeper CP

[vee-driven]

WOW!
here's how I see life, Salvation;
when you are born, you are droped
in the middle of the largest ocean.
at some point you are approched
by two powers, GOOD-BAD
GOOD= GOD, JESUS
BAD = SATAN
YOU CANNOT see land in any direction
good says " hang on to this branch and
swim towards me and I will show you
paridise,eternal life it's just a short distance away"
The branch (jesus) WAS PUT THERE FOR YOU!
If you hang on to the branch you will make it
to the island just over the horizon
I have prepared a place for you, heaven
Bad pulls up in brand new DCB, triple blower motors,
stereo bump'n, girls in paste's, ice chests full of booze
and say "Get in, let that branch go, put this new life line jacket on
We're gonna party like rock stars"
"if you will give your soul to me the boat is yours,
I have prepared a place for you, the sand bar.
I tell you, many many many will let go of the branch
Fuk the branch, let's party...!!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra, quite perceptive of you.:)
Oh, there I go again with another big word....;)
Sleeper CP
Sleeper,
I spent most of my life viewing the whole picture very much like you. While for the most part I still believe this way, I now have more doubt. Don't know if it's related to my age or what. :D
BTW, I admire your ability to be able to express such depth in wrtten words. You have truely have a gift.

[thatguy]

Oh no, don't take me wrong, not only do I believe that God created evolution I believe that he created it in many more places than here. Of all the billions of stars in the 100's of millions of galaxies that are out there, we better not be the only thing here "What an incredible waste of Space" if we are. I would think that a God that would create all of this would not leave it to a bunch of primitive idiots like us. He or "it" would have to be smarter than that. Wouldn't he:idea:
I truly hope that there is life elsewhere. If "we" are all that there is it will be an incredible let down for me.:( And what a waste of space.
Sleeper CP
You know, It is beginning to appear that most of us are of somewhat similar opinions. I FIRMLY believe that we are truly the "special education" planet. The "short bus" of the universe! It is difficult for people to comprehend entities as anything other than a human form. Energy, a universal energy with all the knowledge of the universe. Thats I like to think of "Him".
The other forms of life in the universe probably laugh their asses off at us, if they weren't so far beyond that level of intelligence.
The epitome of Human arrogance is the question "do you believe in.." As if ones beliefs has any bearing on factual existence.
I think the old Dudes 2000 years ago freaked when they saw shit they could not possibly understand or comprehend. Now it is a big mystical, chanting, singing deal that has nothing to do at all with God or spirituality. IMHO.
Hey!! Anybody want to talk about boats?? :D
Tommy

[airpacker]

Hey!! Anybody want to talk about boats?? :D
Tommy Ok, so if "God" went boating, would he drive a cat or a Vee ? :)

[Sleeper CP]

Ok, so if "God" went boating, would he drive a cat or a Vee ? :)
Well, since Jesus was a carpenter he might have a canoe:idea: ;)
Sleeper CP

[thatguy]

Ok, so if "God" went boating, would he drive a cat or a Vee ? :)
34' Cat, Set on "Kill" and spinning DCB's into the reeds.

[KingCole]

Where are some of you getting your information? I have read so much on this thread that makes me shake my head, my neck hurts! The only book mention here to back up anyones beliefe is the Bible. If you believe that there is no heaven or hell, or that your dog is God, whatever. It's just surprising how many people are posting their coments or "beliefe" as fact with nothing to back it up.

[airpacker]

Where are some of you getting your information? I have read so much on this thread that makes me shake my head, my neck hurts! The only book mention here to back up anyones beliefe is the Bible. If you believe that there is no heaven or hell, or that your dog is God, whatever. It's just surprising how many people are posting their coments or "beliefe" as fact with nothing to back it up.
and your point is???????

[Tom Brown]

I often ask myself, "How would Jesus flame Jbb?" http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/idea_2.gif

[CornWater]

I often ask myself, "How would Jesus flame Jbb?" http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/idea_2.gif
HWJFJBB???
Sounds like a good bumper sticker...
:D

[KingCole]

and your point is???????
My point is, I'm wondering why you believe what you believe. Is it just something that you made up, or it came to you in a dream, or you read it in the enquirer, or what? The people that follow Christ have the bible as a guide line for their beliefe. No one else has posted where they get their info. from. Just wondering how some of you came up with what you're posting.

[thatguy]

Where are some of you getting your information? I have read so much on this thread that makes me shake my head, my neck hurts! The only book mention here to back up anyones beliefe is the Bible. If you believe that there is no heaven or hell, or that your dog is God, whatever. It's just surprising how many people are posting their coments or "beliefe" as fact with nothing to back it up.
Many books are available in your local library.
My sources include books on Egyptian history, Native Indian cultures and beliefs, many different publications on religion, histories of religions and and also books on specific characters such as mentioned in my posts. Certainly none of the books I can list are worshiped, but I do find them to be far more objective.
You see, I am not a spiritual zealot, I am a history fanatic on certain subjects. (The crusades is a biggy for me! And Greek mythology is just fascinating))
One thing I know is clear, ANY books 2000 years old, no matter who wrote them or why, can not be interpreted literally or verbatim. Especially when 28 different versions exist, with substantial discrepancies between them. With ALL DUE RESPECT, the bible is no different.
Just Google anything you read here and you will know if they are full of shat.:D :D
Now, would he drive a cat or a vee? :)
Tommy

[Sleeper CP]

Where are some of you getting your information? I have read so much on this thread that makes me shake my head, my neck hurts! The only book mention here to back up anyones beliefe is the Bible. If you believe that there is no heaven or hell, or that your dog is God, whatever. It's just surprising how many people are posting their coments or "beliefe" as fact with nothing to back it up.
Haven't read it but try:Gods,Genes and Consciousness. I hear it is an interesting and provocative book.
Sleeper CP

[lucky]

Many books are available in your local library.
My sources include books on Egyptian history, Native Indian cultures and beliefs, many different publications on religion, histories of religions and and also books on specific characters such as mentioned in my posts. Certainly none of the books I can list are worshiped, but I do find them to be far more objective.
You see, I am not a spiritual zealot, I am a history fanatic on certain subjects. (The crusades is a biggy for me! And Greek mythology is just fascinating))
One thing I know is clear, ANY books 2000 years old, no matter who wrote them or why, can not be interpreted literally or verbatim. Especially when 28 different versions exist, with substantial discrepancies between them. With ALL DUE RESPECT, the bible is no different.
Just Google anything you read here and you will know if they are full of shat.:D :D
Now, would he drive a cat or a vee? :)
Tommy
so what your saying is Our Religious laws are much like our mandated laws from any local/state/federal level :) lol :D

[Froggystyle]

My point is, I'm wondering why you believe what you believe. Is it just something that you made up, or it came to you in a dream, or you read it in the enquirer, or what? The people that follow Christ have the bible as a guide line for their beliefe. No one else has posted where they get their info. from. Just wondering how some of you came up with what you're posting.
Great question actually... problem is, life, much like child-rearing doesn't come with an instruction manual from the factory. I would say that 90% of what I use for guidance is societal. Human society, especially in America will find a balance of what is tolerable, moral, right, wrong, heinous, acceptable, obnoxious, righteous, heroic, dastardly etc... all on it's own, and it changes daily. Things that weren't accepted 80 years ago... like naked ankles on women for example are less frowned on now. Daily, society gets more permissive because also daily, we realize that self-imposed restrictions on expression, creativity, individuality and personal identity are not only not neccessary, but they breed a society that lacks variety.
Take dogfighting as a recent example. Not only am I appalled by the concept, the brutality and the disregard for animal rights (not that I am an activist or anything) but I have found myself judging people who choose to participate in it really, really harshly. Somehow, that particular moral compass never surfaced back when I was in the Navy and we used to gather up insects like Vineagaroons, Scorpions and Black Widows out in Niland (East of the Salton Sea) and have "cage" matches with them. Then, since they were creepy we would squish the winners too. Blow that dynamic up into mammals, dogs even and I am basically Michael Vick. Why does my moral compass end at dogs and not apply to insects? An interesting question, and fortunately for my mental health, I don't care what the answer is because I easily find one to be hugely wrong, and one to be a moral non-issue.
Right and wrong is relative. We are all humans, and to think that one persons right is any more right than anothers from around the world is the height of conceit.
The other 10% is latent teachings from my parents that don't jive with today's society, but have been brought forth from other generations and taught. They raised me in the society in which I live though, and amazingly, my feelings and core beliefs don't vary much from what society in general deems as right or wrong, even in today's permissive world.
Today's society is contemporary, advanced, evolved... pertient. The reality that is our world is a wonderful teacher and guide. The physical laws of the universe, gravity, societal pressures and characteristics, the "herd" mentality, basic human psychology, the need for nurture and acceptance, finances... these are realities best attended to and worked within, and you are a better, more productive human if you learn from them and work within their constraints.
The ten commandments, the Decalogue, the "transcribed word of the Lord" is, once you pull religion out of it, not coincidentally pretty popular basic rules that most human societes agree with anyway, and could have been whittled down to five rules... Honor your parents, Don't steal, don't kill, don't bang someone elses wife/don't cheat on your wife, Don't lie. Take marriage ( a religious institution) out of the mix and you have four, with "Don't Steal" working for taking people's relationships.
Take all modern organized religion away... go find a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea or Micronesia somewhere and you will find these basic rules to be in place without ever having seen a bible... while they are worshipping rocks of course because they are hard and pretty...
Flame on...

[ratso]

hows that
My goal in life is to help at least one person a day...:D

[lucky]

My goal in life is to help at least one person a day...:D
I'm a giver- I also try to help one person a day ! On those off days I lend a hand :D

[Racey]

Great question actually... problem is, life, much like child-rearing doesn't come with an instruction manual from the factory. I would say that 90% of what I use for guidance is societal. Human society, especially in America will find a balance of what is tolerable, moral, right, wrong, heinous, acceptable, obnoxious, righteous, heroic, dastardly etc... all on it's own, and it changes daily. Things that weren't accepted 80 years ago... like naked ankles on women for example are less frowned on now. Daily, society gets more permissive because also daily, we realize that self-imposed restrictions on expression, creativity, individuality and personal identity are not only not neccessary, but they breed a society that lacks variety.
Take dogfighting as a recent example. Not only am I appalled by the concept, the brutality and the disregard for animal rights (not that I am an activist or anything) but I have found myself judging people who choose to participate in it really, really harshly. Somehow, that particular moral compass never surfaced back when I was in the Navy and we used to gather up insects like Vineagaroons, Scorpions and Black Widows out in Niland (East of the Salton Sea) and have "cage" matches with them. Then, since they were creepy we would squish the winners too. Blow that dynamic up into mammals, dogs even and I am basically Michael Vick. Why does my moral compass end at dogs and not apply to insects? An interesting question, and fortunately for my mental health, I don't care what the answer is because I easily find one to be hugely wrong, and one to be a moral non-issue.
Right and wrong is relative. We are all humans, and to think that one persons right is any more right than anothers from around the world is the height of conceit.
The other 10% is latent teachings from my parents that don't jive with today's society, but have been brought forth from other generations and taught. They raised me in the society in which I live though, and amazingly, my feelings and core beliefs don't vary much from what society in general deems as right or wrong, even in today's permissive world.
Today's society is contemporary, advanced, evolved... pertient. The reality that is our world is a wonderful teacher and guide. The physical laws of the universe, gravity, societal pressures and characteristics, the "herd" mentality, basic human psychology, the need for nurture and acceptance, finances... these are realities best attended to and worked within, and you are a better, more productive human if you learn from them and work within their constraints.
The ten commandments, the Decalogue, the "transcribed word of the Lord" is, once you pull religion out of it, not coincidentally pretty popular basic rules that most human societes agree with anyway, and could have been whittled down to five rules... Honor your parents, Don't steal, don't kill, don't bang someone elses wife/don't cheat on your wife, Don't lie. Take marriage ( a religious institution) out of the mix and you have four, with "Don't Steal" working for taking people's relationships.
Take all modern organized religion away... go find a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea or Micronesia somewhere and you will find these basic rules to be in place without ever having seen a bible... while they are worshipping rocks of course because they are hard and pretty...
Flame on...
Froggy you are the man! your posts never disappoint :)

[Ryphraph]

I only got through like 5 or 6 pages, but there has been no mention of the Spaghetti Monster yet...
Ryph

[Froggystyle]

Froggy you are the man! your posts never disappoint :)
Thank you! All of us here at Froggy Industries strive hard each day to ensure the consistent quality of our diatribes and would like to thank you for your constructive feedback... :D

[Tom Brown]

My goal in life is to help at least one person a day...:D
... but never for more than four hours or you should consult your physician.

[Jbb]

Great question actually... problem is, life, much like child-rearing doesn't come with an instruction manual from the factory. I would say that 90% of what I use for guidance is societal. Human society, especially in America will find a balance of what is tolerable, moral, right, wrong, heinous, acceptable, obnoxious, righteous, heroic, dastardly etc... all on it's own, and it changes daily. Things that weren't accepted 80 years ago... like naked ankles on women for example are less frowned on now. Daily, society gets more permissive because also daily, we realize that self-imposed restrictions on expression, creativity, individuality and personal identity are not only not neccessary, but they breed a society that lacks variety.
Take dogfighting as a recent example. Not only am I appalled by the concept, the brutality and the disregard for animal rights (not that I am an activist or anything) but I have found myself judging people who choose to participate in it really, really harshly. Somehow, that particular moral compass never surfaced back when I was in the Navy and we used to gather up insects like Vineagaroons, Scorpions and Black Widows out in Niland (East of the Salton Sea) and have "cage" matches with them. Then, since they were creepy we would squish the winners too. Blow that dynamic up into mammals, dogs even and I am basically Michael Vick. Why does my moral compass end at dogs and not apply to insects? An interesting question, and fortunately for my mental health, I don't care what the answer is because I easily find one to be hugely wrong, and one to be a moral non-issue.
Right and wrong is relative. We are all humans, and to think that one persons right is any more right than anothers from around the world is the height of conceit.
The other 10% is latent teachings from my parents that don't jive with today's society, but have been brought forth from other generations and taught. They raised me in the society in which I live though, and amazingly, my feelings and core beliefs don't vary much from what society in general deems as right or wrong, even in today's permissive world.
Today's society is contemporary, advanced, evolved... pertient. The reality that is our world is a wonderful teacher and guide. The physical laws of the universe, gravity, societal pressures and characteristics, the "herd" mentality, basic human psychology, the need for nurture and acceptance, finances... these are realities best attended to and worked within, and you are a better, more productive human if you learn from them and work within their constraints.
The ten commandments, the Decalogue, the "transcribed word of the Lord" is, once you pull religion out of it, not coincidentally pretty popular basic rules that most human societes agree with anyway, and could have been whittled down to five rules... Honor your parents, Don't steal, don't kill, don't bang someone elses wife/don't cheat on your wife, Don't lie. Take marriage ( a religious institution) out of the mix and you have four, with "Don't Steal" working for taking people's relationships.
Take all modern organized religion away... go find a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea or Micronesia somewhere and you will find these basic rules to be in place without ever having seen a bible... while they are worshipping rocks of course because they are hard and pretty...
Flame on...
And he's only got his grade 10...:jawdrop:

[Froggystyle]

And he's only got his grade 10...:jawdrop:
If I can't swear or smoke, then I am ****ed, and all of these guys are ****ed too...

[airpacker]

My point is, I'm wondering why you believe what you believe. Is it just something that you made up, or it came to you in a dream, or you read it in the enquirer, or what? The people that follow Christ have the bible as a guide line for their beliefe. No one else has posted where they get their info. from. Just wondering how some of you came up with what you're posting.
What I believe is what comes from within. Free will and personal choice lead me through life. No guide books necessary.
You state that followers of Christ have the Bible as a guide. Which one? There are many to choose from are there not? Do they all say EXACTLY the same thing? Have you ever read a history book not based on religious dogma? Have you ever read a book about dinosaurs? Have you ever read a book about early man, you know, Caveman? How about a science book? Books exist in our world that endeavor to explain the wonders we see in the night sky. They tell of dust and ice and hydrogen and methane etc. They explain why stars we see appear to flicker. No where in any of those books is "God" mentioned just as in the Bible, science is not really referred to. Are they guide books for living? No sir they are not. They are books based on proven facts and on as of yet unproven theories. They are books written by men ( and women ).
The Bibles, all versions of it, were written by men too weren't they? So what would make one more appropriate to "follow" than the other? Why would the Bible make a better guide to living life than a good travel guide?
PS, Froggy, great post.

[River Runin]

My point is, I'm wondering why you believe what you believe. Is it just something that you made up, or it came to you in a dream, or you read it in the enquirer, or what? The people that follow Christ have the bible as a guide line for their beliefe. No one else has posted where they get their info. from. Just wondering how some of you came up with what you're posting.
Age, Experience, And Wisdom!! ;)

[Jbb]

while they are worshipping rocks of course because they are hard and pretty...
Much the same as Brown worshipping inflatable women....because they are soft ...and tolerant........amen...:)

[Sleeper CP]

You know, It is beginning to appear that most of us are of somewhat similar opinions. I FIRMLY believe that we are truly the "special education" planet. The "short bus" of the universe! It is difficult for people to comprehend entities as anything other than a human form. Energy, a universal energy with all the knowledge of the universe. Thats I like to think of "Him".
The other forms of life in the universe probably laugh their asses off at us, if they weren't so far beyond that level of intelligence.
Hey!! Anybody want to talk about boats?? :D
Tommy
If that ain't the truth. From time to time I think about the kid that has an ant farm and after it goes for awhile he shakes it up to start all over.
I wonder when God is going to look over here and say " Well this experiment isn't working...." and do his own shaking:idea:
We certainly haven't been the best stewards of Gods gift to us.
Sleeper CP

[KingCole]

What I believe is what comes from within. Free will and personal choice lead me through life. No guide books necessary.
You state that followers of Christ have the Bible as a guide. Which one? There are many to choose from are there not? Do they all say EXACTLY the same thing? Have you ever read a history book not based on religious dogma? Have you ever read a book about dinosaurs? Have you ever read a book about early man, you know, Caveman? How about a science book? Books exist in our world that endeavor to explain the wonders we see in the night sky. They tell of dust and ice and hydrogen and methane etc. They explain why stars we see appear to flicker. No where in any of those books is "God" mentioned just as in the Bible, science is not really referred to. Are they guide books for living? No sir they are not. They are books based on proven facts and on as of yet unproven theories. They are books written by men ( and women ).
The Bibles, all versions of it, were written by men too weren't they? So what would make one more appropriate to "follow" than the other? Why would the Bible make a better guide to living life than a good travel guide?
PS, Froggy, great post.
That's cool. Next time I'm at AAA, I'll look for the travel guide that gets me to Heaven. :D

[AirtimeLavey]

Great question actually... problem is, life, much like child-rearing doesn't come with an instruction manual from the factory. I would say that 90% of what I use for guidance is societal. Human society, especially in America will find a balance of what is tolerable, moral, right, wrong, heinous, acceptable, obnoxious, righteous, heroic, dastardly etc... all on it's own, and it changes daily. Things that weren't accepted 80 years ago... like naked ankles on women for example are less frowned on now. Daily, society gets more permissive because also daily, we realize that self-imposed restrictions on expression, creativity, individuality and personal identity are not only not neccessary, but they breed a society that lacks variety.
Take dogfighting as a recent example. Not only am I appalled by the concept, the brutality and the disregard for animal rights (not that I am an activist or anything) but I have found myself judging people who choose to participate in it really, really harshly. Somehow, that particular moral compass never surfaced back when I was in the Navy and we used to gather up insects like Vineagaroons, Scorpions and Black Widows out in Niland (East of the Salton Sea) and have "cage" matches with them. Then, since they were creepy we would squish the winners too. Blow that dynamic up into mammals, dogs even and I am basically Michael Vick. Why does my moral compass end at dogs and not apply to insects? An interesting question, and fortunately for my mental health, I don't care what the answer is because I easily find one to be hugely wrong, and one to be a moral non-issue.
Right and wrong is relative. We are all humans, and to think that one persons right is any more right than anothers from around the world is the height of conceit.
The other 10% is latent teachings from my parents that don't jive with today's society, but have been brought forth from other generations and taught. They raised me in the society in which I live though, and amazingly, my feelings and core beliefs don't vary much from what society in general deems as right or wrong, even in today's permissive world.
Today's society is contemporary, advanced, evolved... pertient. The reality that is our world is a wonderful teacher and guide. The physical laws of the universe, gravity, societal pressures and characteristics, the "herd" mentality, basic human psychology, the need for nurture and acceptance, finances... these are realities best attended to and worked within, and you are a better, more productive human if you learn from them and work within their constraints.
The ten commandments, the Decalogue, the "transcribed word of the Lord" is, once you pull religion out of it, not coincidentally pretty popular basic rules that most human societes agree with anyway, and could have been whittled down to five rules... Honor your parents, Don't steal, don't kill, don't bang someone elses wife/don't cheat on your wife, Don't lie. Take marriage ( a religious institution) out of the mix and you have four, with "Don't Steal" working for taking people's relationships.
Take all modern organized religion away... go find a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea or Micronesia somewhere and you will find these basic rules to be in place without ever having seen a bible... while they are worshipping rocks of course because they are hard and pretty...
Flame on...
Well said. Excellent post.
I was raise devout Lutheran, but have had exposure to many religions and even some light cults, from the outside. I also had a lot of exposure to the sciences and theory of evolution (Love the Smithsonians). Imo, for a society to survive and thrive there develops rules/laws, even where there is no specific religion. Religion has a purpose, and in most cases does it well.
Unfortunately, it has been very harmful, too. If everyone were to have held staunchly to the religous tenants of the past, we may not be interacting on the internet, now. Fortunate for us that there have been those daring enough to question against an extraordinarily oppressive group(s) that looked to a.) control the masses and b.) provide simple explanations for the (at-the-time) unexplained or not understood. This has been shown time, after time, after time as we discover why things really happen in our world.
To believe and follow most religions/cults, you have to check logic at the door and read fantastic impossibilities as possible. Sure makes life simple and less troubling, not to accept responsiblity for most things that happen in our lives. The down side is when it denies an opportunity for advancement of society, because it (the opportunity) appears to again dispel another misunderstanding or myth. For religions to be successful, they must incite fear. Probably the biggest motivator and manipulator of people.
To each their own, but I believe people are inherently good, (with a few exceptions. :devil: ) I treat people well because that is how I'd like to be treated, and we all are better when we all do better. Having said this, no, I'm not evil, but then I'm not a lemming, either. :D There have been some great post on both sides in this thread. :D
<-------- (not calling anyone evil or a lemming for their particular choice of beliefs or opinion)

[airpacker]

That's cool. Next time I'm at AAA, I'll look for the travel guide that gets me to Heaven. :D
Saved ya the trip. Its listed in the London Tonight Guide according to Google.
HEAVEN http://www.heaven-london.com/
Under The Arches, Villiers Street, WC2
Tel : 0171 930 2020
Tube : Embankment / Charing Cross (rail)
Open 10pm-3am Mon; 10.30pm-3am Tue-Sat.
Admission £6-£8.
Cheap entry but I don't think I really want to go there :)

[thatguy]

Well said. Excellent post.
I was raise devout Lutheran, but have had exposure to many religions and even some light cults, from the outside. I also had a lot of exposure to the sciences and theory of evolution (Love the Smithsonians). Imo, for a society to survive and thrive there develops rules/laws, even where there is no specific religion. Religion has a purpose, and in most cases does it well.
Unfortunately, it has been very harmful, too. If everyone were to have held staunchly to the religous tenants of the past, we may not be interacting on the internet, now. Fortunate for us that there have been those daring enough to question against an extraordinarily oppressive group(s) that looked to a.) control the masses and b.) provide simple explanations for the (at-the-time) unexplained or not understood. This has been shown time, after time, after time as we discover why things really happen in our world.
To believe and follow most religions/cults, you have to check logic at the door and read fantastic impossibilities as possible. Sure makes life simple and less troubling, not to accept responsiblity for most things that happen in our lives. The down side is when it denies an opportunity for advancement of society, because it (the opportunity) appears to again dispel another misunderstanding or myth. For religions to be successful, they must incite fear. Probably the biggest motivator and manipulator of people.
To each their own, but I believe people are inherently good, (with a few exceptions. :devil: ) I treat people well because that is how I'd like to be treated, and we all are better when we all do better. Having said this, no, I'm not evil, but then I'm not a lemming, either. :D There have been some great post on both sides in this thread. :D
<-------- (not calling anyone evil or a lemming for their particular choice of beliefs or opinion)
Now why can't I write like that? :) Excellent.
Tommy

[KingCole]

Saved ya the trip. Its listed in the London Tonight Guide according to Google.
HEAVEN http://www.heaven-london.com/
Under The Arches, Villiers Street, WC2
Tel : 0171 930 2020
Tube : Embankment / Charing Cross (rail)
Open 10pm-3am Mon; 10.30pm-3am Tue-Sat.
Admission £6-£8.
Cheap entry but I don't think I really want to go there :)
Good one. :D

[Sleeper CP]

Well said. Excellent post.
I was raise devout Lutheran, but have had exposure to many religions and even some light cults, from the outside. I also had a lot of exposure to the sciences and theory of evolution (Love the Smithsonians). Imo, for a society to survive and thrive there develops rules/laws, even where there is no specific religion. Religion has a purpose, and in most cases does it well.
Unfortunately, it has been very harmful, too. If everyone were to have held staunchly to the religous tenants of the past, we may not be interacting on the internet, now. Fortunate for us that there have been those daring enough to question against an extraordinarily oppressive group(s) that looked to a.) control the masses and b.) provide simple explanations for the (at-the-time) unexplained or not understood. This has been shown time, after time, after time as we discover why things really happen in our world.
To believe and follow most religions/cults, you have to check logic at the door and read fantastic impossibilities as possible. Sure makes life simple and less troubling, not to accept responsiblity for most things that happen in our lives. The down side is when it denies an opportunity for advancement of society, because it (the opportunity) appears to again dispel another misunderstanding or myth. For religions to be successful, they must incite fear. Probably the biggest motivator and manipulator of people.
To each their own, but I believe people are inherently good, (with a few exceptions. :devil: ) I treat people well because that is how I'd like to be treated, and we all are better when we all do better. Having said this, no, I'm not evil, but then I'm not a lemming, either. :D There have been some great post on both sides in this thread. :D
<-------- (not calling anyone evil or a lemming for their particular choice of beliefs or opinion)
Good scribe:) (Proper english?)
Sleeper CP

[Tom Brown]

Much the same as Brown worshipping inflatable women....because they are soft ...and tolerant........amen...:)
... and it was good. :)

[Jbb]

... and it was good. :)
...and sticky...:jawdrop:

[AirtimeLavey]

Good scribe:) (Proper english?)
Sleeper CP
Thank you. Probably not proper. Don't have much faith in my writing skills. :D

[Blown 472]

Long live Satan.:devil:

[Sleeper CP]

Thank you. Probably not proper. Don't have much faith in my writing skills. :D
Not yours, mine. Not sure is saying "Good scribe" is proper but your writing certainly was.
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover, 1,000+ HP Safely used since 1992:D

[Pheelin Phroggy]

after reading a mulititude of responses to this thread, I am leaning toward the theory that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa could very possibly have been a horny albino monkey!

[2forcefull]

after reading a mulititude of responses to this thread, I am leaning toward the theory that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa could very possibly have been a horny albino monkey!
have your DNA checked, I think the scientist's can tell if you are a monkey
or not.

[SurfOnH20]

Show me one thing that proves God doesn't exist. Look at complexity of life in the world we live. The human brain, DNA (code of life), our world, the universe. If the earth was just one degree off its tilt, life could not be sustainable and we would die. We look at a wristwatch and know it was created (by man). But we see the wonders that surround us everyday and say it just all came to be by accident. Humans for how complex we are, are the most ignorant of living things in this world. Again, the burden of proof is on those who don't believe then those who do.

[fc-pilot]

Any chance for a pro racism thread soon?:idea: :D
It took me over a half hour to read this whole thread, and then this guy makes me fall out of my chair. I am still wiping the tears from laughing so hard.
It has been a little weird though, all this bashing and it is not directed toward my beliefs for a change. :confused:
Paul
Carry On.

[Tom Brown]

...all this bashing and it is not directed toward my beliefs for a change.
You'll have to share your beliefs and then take a number. We'll get to you when we can.

[thatguy]

Wow this thread has sure took off. :D :D
Any chance for a pro racism thread soon?:idea: :D
Just throw it out there and see if anyone bites.
Tommy

[airpacker]

Show me one thing that proves God doesn't exist. Look at complexity of life in the world we live. The human brain, DNA (code of life), our world, the universe. If the earth was just one degree off its tilt, life could not be sustainable and we would die. We look at a wristwatch and know it was created (by man). But we see the wonders that surround us everyday and say it just all came to be by accident. Humans for how complex we are, are the most ignorant of living things in this world. Again, the burden of proof is on those who don't believe then those who do.
Thats funny right there. The burden of proof is not on those who don't believe in any way. Thats like saying the burden of proof that black holes exist is on those who say that they don't. Its like saying the burden of proof that all things on Earth are made up of molecules should have been on the religious powers that denied it. Its like saying it was up to the Priests of the Catholic church to prove that the world was not a sphere and the sun orbitted the Earth.
No one needs to prove something does not exist. One needs to prove something does exist otherwise, that something is just a theory, an idea, a hypothesis. Proof does not come from a book written by men a couple thousand years ago. Proof comes from science. Proof comes from documenting experimentation, observation and exploration of a hypothesis. I can prove that water exists. I can prove that oxygen exists. I can prove the Earth is not flat. I can prove that its really really cold in outerspace. I can prove that bears schittt in the woods.
There is NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA, NOTHING to "PROVE" that "God" exists now or ever. NOTHING. There is only hearsay, retoric, folklore and fable. All devices of mankind to explain the unexplainable without the "burden of proof".

[hoolign]

Show me one thing that proves God doesn't exist. Look at complexity of life in the world we live. The human brain, DNA (code of life), our world, the universe. If the earth was just one degree off its tilt, life could not be sustainable and we would die. We look at a wristwatch and know it was created (by man). But we see the wonders that surround us everyday and say it just all came to be by accident. Humans for how complex we are, are the most ignorant of living things in this world. Again, the burden of proof is on those who don't believe then those who do.
Well he used to post on here once in a while..but not anymore! :eek:

[TRIMMIN]

No one has ever seen god just like no one has ever seen evolution. It's all a personal choice. The part I don't get I guess is when I see pictures of kids with stomachs the size of basketballs and flies all around there heads dieing. I wonder where is their god. Where is their loving god. What did they do to deserve their fate. How could someone create something so beautiful and then destroy it? Kind of like Dave building a boat and then taking it out to the parking lot, pouring gas all over it and putting a match to it. Makes no sense. An artist never destroys his creations unless he is sick. I love to listen to believers try too explain away all the ugliness in this world. I just scratch my head. If I am to believe in a god it sure isn't going to be that one. He is one sick MF.

[SHOTKALLIN]

Any religion that preaches that those who don't believe in a specific God or Prophet are doomed to some fiery satanic eternity, can't be all good, IMHO.
I agree 100%. Billions of people are NOT going to Hell for believing in a different faith.
just my .02

[ratso]

No one has ever seen god just like no one has ever seen evolution. It's all a personal choice. The part I don't get I guess is when I see pictures of kids with stomachs the size of basketballs and flies all around there heads dieing. I wonder where is their god. Where is their loving god. What did they do to deserve their fate. How could someone create something so beautiful and then destroy it? Kind of like Dave building a boat and then taking it out to the parking lot, pouring gas all over it and putting a match to it. Makes no sense. An artist never destroys his creations unless he is sick. I love to listen to believers try too explain away all the ugliness in this world. I just scratch my head. If I am to believe in a god it sure isn't going to be that one. He is one sick MF.
The believers will say "God has his reasons"...:idea:

[Jbb]

You'll have to share your beliefs and then take a number. We'll get to you when we can.
:p

[TRIMMIN]

The reason is someone took a bite out of a apple 2000 years ago? Come on, get over it.

[Sleeper CP]

Wow this thread has sure took off. :D :D
Any chance for a pro racism thread soon?:idea: :D
God gave you "free will" ..... post up;)
You can be a positive influence in the world or a negative the choice is yours:D
Do you think it will be more productive than this?:idea:
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover

[FOREVER2DOXIES]

Goad, that may be over the line . If that was a priest you would have a valid point. ( I was raised Catholic and believe that, that SOB Cardinal Law should be under a jail somewhere for transferring those priest from on area to another and allowing that crap to go on for all those years, Hopefully he will have to answer to God for those crimes)
God is not fake and "It" or "He" is nothing that we can comprehend. I don not believe that we are an accident of evolution, I believe God created evolution.
Not all religions are equal. That would be like saying the Old Soviet Union was just as good as the USA. You can take the argument up with Pres. Regan. he was correct. And I'm not saying that only one religion is correct. I don't believe that either, but some are better than others.
For those that don't believe in God or have faith I'm not going to say that I feel sorry for you,because when I hear others say that it sounds condescending to me, so I will say that my "belief" in God helps make me a whole person as does my love for my wife and two children. It is a part of me that makes me a complete person and I wonder where I would be with out that faith as I wonder how I would feel about love in a relationship with out my wife.
Sleeper CP
Well said. What makes a lot of us "questionable" believers upset, and I think I have it right here in what I am saying, is that SOME people who have a faith (or so-called-faith) in "God" uses that as an excuse to go about preaching to others and yet they dont live the life they preach, doing things that even non-believers would not do, etc., to think that they can get away with it. They sometimes use their God as justification. That is what I see alot of. True, there are many who truly believe and live the life...but you have to admit that we have all seen people (drivers for example with their little icons or bumper stickers....) that blatantly abuse the belief

[FOREVER2DOXIES]

The reason is someone took a bite out of a apple 2000 years ago? Come on, get over it.
ummmm....that bite was taken WELL over 2000 years ago.....:rolleyes:

[KingCole]

This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.
There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence--arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?

[SurfOnH20]

There is NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA, NOTHING to "PROVE" that "God" exists now or ever. NOTHING. There is only hearsay, retoric, folklore and fable. All devices of mankind to explain the unexplainable without the "burden of proof".
Like I said we said we are the most ignorant of creatures. Airpacker you seem to have all the answers. What science can you offer me that proves God doesn't exist. If anything science shows that creation has a design and purpose. Show me in the Bible where science conflicts with it..Just curious..

[FOREVER2DOXIES]

Thats funny right there. The burden of proof is not on those who don't believe in any way. Thats like saying the burden of proof that black holes exist is on those who say that they don't. Its like saying the burden of proof that all things on Earth are made up of molecules should have been on the religious powers that denied it. Its like saying it was up to the Priests of the Catholic church to prove that the world was not a sphere and the sun orbitted the Earth.
No one needs to prove something does not exist. One needs to prove something does exist otherwise, that something is just a theory, an idea, a hypothesis. Proof does not come from a book written by men a couple thousand years ago. Proof comes from science. Proof comes from documenting experimentation, observation and exploration of a hypothesis. I can prove that water exists. I can prove that oxygen exists. I can prove the Earth is not flat. I can prove that its really really cold in outerspace. I can prove that bears schittt in the woods.
There is NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA, NOTHING to "PROVE" that "God" exists now or ever. NOTHING. There is only hearsay, retoric, folklore and fable. All devices of mankind to explain the unexplainable without the "burden of proof".
Good point here as well. And your last line...so true. If we truly think of things, people in Palistine area where Jesus was assumed to be from, were in desperate need of a positive influence in their lives. Times were hard, the Roman empire was cruel...they were looking for a saviour. A man comes along and preaches very good thoughts and they were uplifted. This man was their saviour. It was good for them. And some of us look to that same hope for lives that are in ruin. For something to believe in because sometimes it is harder to realise that life is JUST life and it can be very hard to think that when we die, thats all there is to it. Its hard to imagine that we, as a person, just cease to exist. So this belief is more positive and something that can be grasped.

[Sleeper CP]

No one has ever seen god just like no one has ever seen evolution. It's all a personal choice. The part I don't get I guess is when I see pictures of kids with stomachs the size of basketballs and flies all around there heads dieing. I wonder where is their god. Where is their loving god. What did they do to deserve their fate. How could someone create something so beautiful and then destroy it? Kind of like Dave building a boat and then taking it out to the parking lot, pouring gas all over it and putting a match to it. Makes no sense. An artist never destroys his creations unless he is sick. I love to listen to believers try too explain away all the ugliness in this world. I just scratch my head. If I am to believe in a god it sure isn't going to be that one. He is one sick MF.
I think some would say "Fate" is different from "Free will". What would be the point of life if it was pre-determined by fate?
The circumstances that you talk about in those Countries the leaders there have the same free will as the founders of our Country. Have you seen the difference between North and South Korea? Was or is it the North Koreans fate to live in such a repressive Country. That is to say, nearly all of those Countries have natural resources that if the people pull together and choose to do so they can feed their people....They choose not too.:(
There are some religions that believe God has his hands in everything. Those happen it be the same people that believe that we are the only thing here, what a bunch of ego-centric ....(fill in the blank) But the fact of the matter is of the billions of possibilities for life to be else where why would a Creator make earth and just sit by and watch us tare each other a part. If that were the case our Creator wouldn't be than much different from Micheal Vic.....wait a minute:idea: :confused:
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover

[mobldj]

saw a bumper sticker the other day,it read
GOD.........PROVE IT:idea:

[airpacker]

There is NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA, NOTHING to "PROVE" that "God" exists now or ever. NOTHING. There is only hearsay, retoric, folklore and fable. All devices of mankind to explain the unexplainable without the "burden of proof".
Like I said we said we are the most ignorant of creatures. Airpacker you seem to have all the answers. What science can you offer me that proves God doesn't exist. If anything science shows that creation has a design and purpose. Show me in the Bible where science conflicts with it..Just curious..
I have none of the answers, never mind all of them. As for being ignorant, you are correct. Billions of humans blindly believe in and worship some unknown, unseen, unproven all mighty power without questioning it ever. They blindly believe in tales and fables of deeds done, miracles performed no matter how unbelievable those tales may be. That sir is truely ignorance.
I have NO proof of non existence......................................... ...........yet. Science takes time to prove things out.
What science has proven so far is that deseases caused by viruses, yes living organisms whose "design" and existence no doubt must be accredited to "God" according to believers serve no "purpose" other than to multiply at the expense of "God's children". Why would "God", if he/she/it designed man kind make viruses like ebola,aids,hemoragic fever etc and make mankind vulnerable to them? Chits and giggles?
I know, I know, God has his reasons yada yada. Once again, seems to me that "God" is a pretty evil thing. Make millions of "his children" suffer horrendous, slow and painful deaths just so a little virus can live on Earth. A little virus that will never honour him, never worship at his feet. never do any good for anyone, ever. Some thanks for a couple thousand years of blind devotion to some unproven, all powerful creator.
Why would "God" have permitted the atrocities committed against millions of "his children" in his name? To this very day, modern medicines, one's created by science, are witheld from the sick and dying in many places in this, God's Earth in his name. Even right where you live, followers of the Church of Jehovah's Witnesses bar blood transfusions because they are against "God's will". So God wants everyone to die? Is that why the all powerful creator allows wars and murders in his name? ....Here comes the "free will" excuse....
If God is all powerful, and God loves his children, then why do so many die needlesly every single day? I am sure free will has nothing to do with it. I can bet you those children all around the world would prefer to live.
Nope, I have no proof that God doesn't exist, but I sure can muster up a few million case studies that prove that if "God" does exist, he/she/it doesn't give one single rat's arse about mankind.
PS, have you ever really seen anyone die after exercising their free will by stating,"and may God strike me down". Even scum sucking, corrupt television preachers can get away with that one.

[thatguy]

No one has ever seen god just like no one has ever seen evolution. It's all a personal choice. The part I don't get I guess is when I see pictures of kids with stomachs the size of basketballs and flies all around there heads dieing. I wonder where is their god. Where is their loving god. What did they do to deserve their fate. How could someone create something so beautiful and then destroy it? Kind of like Dave building a boat and then taking it out to the parking lot, pouring gas all over it and putting a match to it. Makes no sense. An artist never destroys his creations unless he is sick. I love to listen to believers try too explain away all the ugliness in this world. I just scratch my head. If I am to believe in a god it sure isn't going to be that one. He is one sick MF.
I wondered that same thing and many other seemingly irreconcilable conflicts of reason. But if you go back to my post about the writings of so called "Ascended Masters" and there convictions about being absolutely "pure" in spirit before ascending, it makes perfect sense. The suffering of people on earth is absolutely necessary for one to learn "Humility".
If you can remove all the Holy BS, and the chanting and think somewhat scientific, mixed with a little open mindedness about the unknown, you can see that if a person lives a number of diverse lives, they will learn many different viewpoints and benefit from it. Therefore coming closer to ascending.
It is my feeling that people (religion), over the centuries since Jesus, have warped the reality of God, rebirth, and the purpose of life into a tragic comedy of human misconception. It seems clear to Me that Mankind as a whole has regressed in understanding and is farther from the truth than, say,
2500 years ago. We make important and revealing scientific findings, then just modify religion to fit. It is also my feelings that there is no use for a "perfect" world, since nothing would be learned and we, as spiritual beings, would not advance in our spiritual objective.
Read a book by Sylvia Brown sometime. Not asking you to subscribe to Her writings, but she seems to be able to show a perspective at times that explains a lot of things.
Tommy

[SurfOnH20]

Airpacker by your own words you show how helpless mankind is and I agree with you on some of your points. I don't blame God for anything bad that happens in this world. And it does have everything to do with free will. We see everyday with the results of our decisions. God created the potential for evil when he created humans when given the freedom of choice. We choose to love or hate, to do good or evil. The record of history bears eloquent testimony to the fact that humans of their own free will have actualized the reality of evil through their ungodly choices.
Furthermore, without choice, love is meaningless. God doesn't force his love on people nor forces people to love Him. Instead, God, the personification of love, grants us freedom of choice. Without such freedom, we would be little more than preprogrammed robots.
So the next time we read about some drunk idiot in a boat killing someone, it was not God making it happen, it was just a person exercising their free will which resulted in the death of someone else. The point I am trying to make is the world is what us humans MAKE OF IT and in the end God will clean up our mess.

[airpacker]

Airpacker by your own words you show how helpless mankind is and I agree with you on some of your points. I don't blame God for anything bad that happens in this world. And it does have everything to do with free will. We see everyday with the results of our decisions. God created the potential for evil when he created humans when given the freedom of choice. We choose to love or hate, to do good or evil. The record of history bears eloquent testimony to the fact that humans of their own free will have actualized the reality of evil through their ungodly choices.
Furthermore, without choice, love is meaningless. God doesn't force his love on people nor forces people to love Him. Instead, God, the personification of love, grants us freedom of choice. Without such freedom, we would be little more than preprogrammed robots.
So the next time we read about some drunk idiot in a boat killing someone, it was not God making it happen, it was just a person exercising their free will which resulted in the death of someone else. The point I am trying to make is the world is what us humans MAKE OF IT and in the end God will clean up our mess.
I completely agree that everyone has the ability to choose what their actions will be and should ( although I know thats not politically correct these days) accept the consequences of such actions BUT, what of those who do not choose to die? Children do not choose to suffer and die at the hands of a "God created life form". Do you believe that a single cell virus really has free will and chooses to kill children for it's own advancement? It is not the actions of humans I questioned, it is the actions of other living things, all which by creationist theory must have been designed and created by "God" to serve some purpose other then to worship him/her/it.

[vee-driven]

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[Froggystyle]

There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence--arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?
One of the most successful, universally effective and least dangerous medications ever tested before is the placebo. If you believe you are taking the cure for shingles... a large percentage of the tested sample for a new shingle medication will see a great improvement in their condition... yet they are taking a completely benign fake pill.
I am a spiritual being... no question. But I find that I am appalled by our human conceit to not only codify this truly imaginary feeling and further to assume rules on its behalf, collect money on its behalf, wage war on its behalf and judge others on its behalf.
That feeling you speak of above... that warm and fuzzy feeling that a loving "God" exists, or "detailed reports of God's actions in their lives"... We all have them, but we credit different things.
I have had thousands of moments in my life where I looked for support from out of the physical realm... but I never called it praying. I have wished for things with all my heart... but when they came to pass I didn't feel that those wishes had been answered by anyone. I have had a "subjective, personal relationship" with this same spiritual core myself... but I sure never called it anything other than what it was... my conscience.
I have an inner strength that comes from a life of accomplishment, especially in the face of adversity. I draw from my confidence, experience and training to "get me through the hard times" every day. When I set goals, externally and internally I do everything in my power to acheive them... but I am responsible for the success... not some vaporous feeling. You choose your own destiny. You walk your own path. You make your own reality. Period.
There is no question in my mind that there is a creator of some sort. When you begin to really study Cosmology you find that the staunchest supporter of the big bang theory, evolution, science and technology all have one thing in common... they can't explain that first uber-dense ball of matter that was the start of everything that occupies our physical world. I do not think we were created in anyone's image... I think we were a series of evolutionary happenstances. People say that we have not witnessed evolution... quite to the contrary... Evolution happens in front of us every day. During the industrial revolution in England... just as an example... the vast majority of the moth population went from white moths to gray moths. Why? Because the increased soot on the buildings made the white moths stand out like a sore thumb, and the gray moths fared far better. Next thing you know, evolution has wiped out the white moths in that geographic area and gray moths flourished.
Have your faith... believe in whatever you want to believe. Be a good human, do unto others... don't steal, don't lie... yada yada yada... but don't tell me that the last time "God" chose to speak to someone was 2,000 years ago if he exists... Don't wrap a new interpretation around scientific discoveries to fit this novel a bunch of guys wrote on commission from a crooked emperor in 357 AD. Before Constantine, people honored and revered the one thing that I see every day and truly feel is a miracle... childbirth and a mothers ability to create.
We joke about Talledega Nights and the whole "I like to think of Jesus..." schpeel in it but I will tell you how I like to think of Jesus...
I like to think of Jesus like Dave Matthews. Charismatic, empathetic, hugely popular, a man with a story to tell and a penchant for getting people to listen to him. Maybe even so compelling that back in a day when people are striving for a leader, gagging for something to believe in, this hugely wise man comes around and gives them that thing to cling on to. Then he is killed, and three hundred years later some stories are written about it and it spiraled out of control to a degree that the architects of this book could never have dreamed possible.
As I said, believe in whatever you want. But I will be over believing in my own ability to do anything I set my mind to, overcome any obstacle in my way and blaming nobody but myself when they either come to pass or I fall short.

[Racey]

There is NO, ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA, NOTHING to "PROVE" that "God" exists now or ever. NOTHING. There is only hearsay, retoric, folklore and fable. All devices of mankind to explain the unexplainable without the "burden of proof".
What science can you offer me that proves God doesn't exist.
What science can you offer me that proves Unicorns or Fire Breathing Dragons don't exist? :D :D :D

[airpacker]

As I said, believe in whatever you want. But I will be over believing in my own ability to do anything I set my mind to, overcome any obstacle in my way and blaming nobody but myself when they either come to pass or I fall short.
Why do I have a sudden urge to say.....Can I gat an amen for the brother :)
Another fine post FS.

[thatguy]

Why do I have a sudden urge to say.....Can I gat an amen for the brother :)
Another fine post FS.
The Man knows how to speak. FS , Nicely done.
Tommy

[SurfOnH20]

What science can you offer me that proves Unicorns or Fire Breathing Dragons don't exist?
My momma always said if you don't have nothing good to say, don't say anything..:)
It obvious you don't have the intelligence to respond with any reasonable answer or suggestion. Speak for yourself and don't let speak others speak for you..

[Racey]

What science can you offer me that proves Unicorns or Fire Breathing Dragons don't exist?
My momma always said if you don't have nothing good to say, don't say anything..:)
It obvious you don't have the intelligence to respond with any reasonable answer or suggestion. Speak for yourself and don't let speak others speak for you..
I guess you didn't sense the sarcasm in my comment, hence the ":D :D :D "
I was simply making a joke as to the fact that there is absolutely no way to prove the Non-Existence of an object, Maybe if i had of used Bigfoot as an example instead of Unicorns it would have made more sense to someone with your mindset. and this is Me speaking for Myself Sir.
I forgot that everything posted on the boards is obviously very serious business, and this is no place to be making jokes or having a good time :rolleyes:

[KingCole]

One of the most successful, universally effective and least dangerous medications ever tested before is the placebo. If you believe you are taking the cure for shingles... a large percentage of the tested sample for a new shingle medication will see a great improvement in their condition... yet they are taking a completely benign fake pill.
I am a spiritual being... no question. But I find that I am appalled by our human conceit to not only codify this truly imaginary feeling and further to assume rules on its behalf, collect money on its behalf, wage war on its behalf and judge others on its behalf.
That feeling you speak of above... that warm and fuzzy feeling that a loving "God" exists, or "detailed reports of God's actions in their lives"... We all have them, but we credit different things.
I have had thousands of moments in my life where I looked for support from out of the physical realm... but I never called it praying. I have wished for things with all my heart... but when they came to pass I didn't feel that those wishes had been answered by anyone. I have had a "subjective, personal relationship" with this same spiritual core myself... but I sure never called it anything other than what it was... my conscience.
I have an inner strength that comes from a life of accomplishment, especially in the face of adversity. I draw from my confidence, experience and training to "get me through the hard times" every day. When I set goals, externally and internally I do everything in my power to acheive them... but I am responsible for the success... not some vaporous feeling. You choose your own destiny. You walk your own path. You make your own reality. Period.
There is no question in my mind that there is a creator of some sort. When you begin to really study Cosmology you find that the staunchest supporter of the big bang theory, evolution, science and technology all have one thing in common... they can't explain that first uber-dense ball of matter that was the start of everything that occupies our physical world. I do not think we were created in anyone's image... I think we were a series of evolutionary happenstances. People say that we have not witnessed evolution... quite to the contrary... Evolution happens in front of us every day. During the industrial revolution in England... just as an example... the vast majority of the moth population went from white moths to gray moths. Why? Because the increased soot on the buildings made the white moths stand out like a sore thumb, and the gray moths fared far better. Next thing you know, evolution has wiped out the white moths in that geographic area and gray moths flourished.
Have your faith... believe in whatever you want to believe. Be a good human, do unto others... don't steal, don't lie... yada yada yada... but don't tell me that the last time "God" chose to speak to someone was 2,000 years ago if he exists... Don't wrap a new interpretation around scientific discoveries to fit this novel a bunch of guys wrote on commission from a crooked emperor in 357 AD. Before Constantine, people honored and revered the one thing that I see every day and truly feel is a miracle... childbirth and a mothers ability to create.
We joke about Talledega Nights and the whole "I like to think of Jesus..." schpeel in it but I will tell you how I like to think of Jesus...
I like to think of Jesus like Dave Matthews. Charismatic, empathetic, hugely popular, a man with a story to tell and a penchant for getting people to listen to him. Maybe even so compelling that back in a day when people are striving for a leader, gagging for something to believe in, this hugely wise man comes around and gives them that thing to cling on to. Then he is killed, and three hundred years later some stories are written about it and it spiraled out of control to a degree that the architects of this book could never have dreamed possible.
As I said, believe in whatever you want. But I will be over believing in my own ability to do anything I set my mind to, overcome any obstacle in my way and blaming nobody but myself when they either come to pass or I fall short.
Dave Matthews is an unbelieveable musician. "Some Devil" is one of my favorite cds. But, I like to think of Dave Matthews as a great guitar player and leader of a band that dumps it's own waste into the Missippi river.
As good as he is on guitar, when was the last time he preformed a miracle?

[Sleek-Jet]

Jesus Loves You, everyone else thinks your an asshole... :)
I talked to Jesus, he thinks you're an asshole as well Barry... :D

[AirtimeLavey]

I guess you didn't sense the sarcasm in my comment, hence the ":D :D :D "
I was simply making a joke as to the fact that there is absolutely no way to prove the Non-Existence of an object, Maybe if i had of used Bigfoot as an example instead of Unicorns it would have made more sense to someone with your mindset. and this is Me speaking for Myself Sir.
I forgot that everything posted on the boards is obviously very serious business, and this is no place to be making jokes or having a good time :rolleyes:
Come on, get with the program. You're not supposed to use logic in this thread, either. Sheesh. :rolleyes: :D :D
I like the comment on here earlier, about how science is proving the Bible true. Read the bible lately? Sooo, Adam lived was it 700 years (+ or -) according to the Bible, and so did his kids? Ok. Ahhhh, that must have been "figuratively" speaking, right?
So, is it God's will that things happen like church goers getting wiped out by Katrina or is that Man's free will? Those folks chose to go to church at the wrong time and had to pay the price for their own decision or had God told them or directed them to go at that time? :idea:
I know I've seen God help only certain teams win the Super Bowl, right? Um, no. God answers prayers randomly, and evidently, sometimes the Super Bowl prayers are more important than the "help me find a way to survive" prayers of those in desperate need.
Way too many contradictions and reliance on ethereal (as in lacking material substance) explanations.
I don't mean to sound too harsh or sarcastic and I mean no disrespect to anyone of any particular belief. These types of discussions are usually interesting, and you never know when one point makes it home and becomes someone's epiphany (not necessarily in the divine sense). I am interested at seeing how so many of the "heavy hitters" on this site have declined to express their views. :idea:
To me the ulitmate arrogance is the attitude that because someone is seen at church on Sunday, they are going to Heaven for never ending riches and bliss, while those who question and delve deeper into understanding reality will end up in Hell, only to suffer for eternity.
While it doesn't fit the traditional definition of evolution, look at life as we experience it. It is a constant state of change. From conception to death, our physical form and mental abilities are in a constant state of change. When we have children, they are somewhat different from us. Why then is it so hard for people to believe that physical change (evolution) takes place and significant physical/physiological change will happen over long periods of time? I believe the answer to that is fear (of not fitting in with others, and of not understanding why things happen, and not wanting to realize that one can screw something up or do exceedingly well all on their own doing, and that this life is what it is and maybe nothing more) and overt and subliminal indoctrination.
History does show, that as more scientific discoveries and explanations come to light, the more religion becomes irrelevant. Having said that, many, many churches and religous groups have done a tremendous good for the world. Usually, that comes with a price. Just more of my own dribble. I'm sure to be winning more friends with this post. :D

[Froggystyle]

Dave Matthews is an unbelieveable musician. "Some Devil" is one of my favorite cds. But, I like to think of Dave Matthews as a great guitar player and leader of a band that dumps it's own waste into the Missippi river.
As good as he is on guitar, when was the last time he preformed a miracle?
Well, no offense but I have seen him do more than I have seen Jesus accomplish.
I could have used Mahatma Ghandi, Jerry Garcia or Billy Mays as an example instead. Anyone who has a devoted following of people who are big fans and followers. Shit... Jerry Garcia has had ice cream named after him, legions of adoring fans who would lay down in front of a train for him and had people dedicate their lives to following him. Not saying that is a "miracle" per-se, but by him dying, it allowed Phish to gain popularity... which pretty much is a miracle since they totally suck.
Miracles are relative. People think it was a miracle that their house was spared from a tornado... or a miracle that the bullet missed the heart by a half-inch. I have a greater criteria for miracles, and have never witnessed anything that couldn't be easily explained by weather dynamics or bad aim as in the case of the aforementioned "miracles".
I also realize that religion, and the companionship it provides for some is an important comfort... especially in times of distress. I don't discount it or chastise it in the least... but we see the same thing every day here on the forums. People reaching out to those in need, donating time, energy and money to great causes, providing places to stay after disasters, both from a relationship or natural, help on the freeway when you see an OP6 sticker or a boat on the side of the road... We provide the same level of support, maybe even more so in the same type of circumstances. Look at Nan's injury and the people that rallied around her. Just and example... there are hundreds to choose from.
I assume you are asking this question because you believe that Jesus performed miracles because it was written in the Bible, correct?

[Froggystyle]

I am interested at seeing how so many of the "heavy hitters" on this site have declined to express their views. :idea:
Froggy<-------(forum lightweight) style :D

[thatguy]

So, is it God's will that things happen like church goers getting wiped out by Katrina or is that Man's free will? Those folks chose to go to church at the wrong time and had to pay the price for their own decision or had God told them or directed them to go at that time? :idea:
I know I've seen God help only certain teams win the Super Bowl, right? Um, no. God answers prayers randomly, and evidently, sometimes the Super Bowl prayers are more important than the "help me find a way to survive" prayers of those in desperate need.
Way too many contradictions and reliance on ethereal (as in lacking material substance) explanations.
:D
I am not good at expressing my thoughts, but I'll try.
If you look at what Jesus, as well as other ascended masters, tried to show the people, that we have eternal spirits, and there is no reason to fear, then earthly happenings that end in "tragedy" are really only tragic for the survivors.
We fear death, or are at least troubled by the fact of our mortality.
But I have to say, to me, it is far more frightening being born.
I think we assume that the universe is all about us. That has got to be a big flaw with mankind. God let this happen, or God let that happen. I really don't feel that it works that way.
I try not to get too wrapped up in this life or it's twists and turns. I do my best, thats a given, family, job, friends. But as Red Cloud supposedly said "You can not see, for you are LOST in a sea of Humanity".
Tommy

[uvindex]

Hey, a thread about religion! These always end well. :D

[thatguy]

Hey, a thread about religion! These always end well. :D
NO SHIT!!!! LMFAO :D :D
Isn't this how wars usually start??
Tommy

[airpacker]

NO SHIT!!!! LMFAO :D :D
Isn't this how wars usually start??
Tommy
Actually, I think that the Christians have evolved beyond blood shed for God at this point in time :) and I haven't noticed anyone discussing Alah or Mohamed in this thread.

[AirtimeLavey]

Froggy<-------(forum lightweight) style :D
Ha, I think not Senor (in espanish, or Mexican accent). You are one of the few with Cajones big enough to jump in and express an opinion even when the majority may disagree. This is one dangerous topic to express an opinion. It's only started wars and lead to massive death and destruction.
From what I've read about you, not much about your approach to life could be called "lightweight". :D

[Froggystyle]

I try not to get too wrapped up in this life or it's twists and turns. I do my best, thats a given, family, job, friends.
Contrairily, I suck the nectar out of every day, realizing that the only factual evidence that I can prove is that my time here is limited. I don't know how much longer I have, but I do know that every second I am alive is one second less than whatever that number is.
If I am wrong, I will rest soundly knowing that I lived life to the fullest, wasted little time and accomplished as much as I could in the time I had. I try to stay on the right side of what my moral compass tells me is right and wrong, and try to leave everything I touch better than I found it. I'll take my chances that this will be enough to qualify for the next round... (assuming of course that the Budhists got it right) or transfer to the "A Main" if the christian religions were right the whole time...
Until then, I will just have to continue living in the now, and living each day like it matters. I believe it does.
To quote Jack London, one of my favorite authors...
"I would rather be ashes than dust!
I would rather that my spark should burn out
in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom
of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time. "

[Froggystyle]

From what I've read about you, not much about your approach to life could be called "lightweight". :D
You must have read about my gut before I started working out again...
Thanks though... I try. :D

[AirtimeLavey]

I am not good at expressing my thoughts, but I'll try.
If you look at what Jesus, as well as other ascended masters, tried to show the people, that we have eternal spirits, and there is no reason to fear, then earthly happenings that end in "tragedy" are really only tragic for the survivors.
We fear death, or are at least troubled by the fact of our mortality.
But I have to say, to me, it is far more frightening being born.
I think we assume that the universe is all about us. That has got to be a big flaw with mankind. God let this happen, or God let that happen. I really don't feel that it works that way.
I try not to get too wrapped up in this life or it's twists and turns. I do my best, thats a given, family, job, friends. But as Red Cloud supposedly said "You can not see, for you are LOST in a sea of Humanity".
Tommy
Interesting. Sounds like a very peaceful inner belief. :)
I would disagree with a couple things based on the idea that I treasure life and it's experiences, and of course those around me - friends and family. I think you're right about the self-centered belief that the universe is human-centric, carried forth by most religions. That is a departure for me, too.

[AirtimeLavey]

Contrairily, I suck the nectar out of every day, realizing that the only factual evidence that I can prove is that my time here is limited. I don't know how much longer I have, but I do know that every second I am alive is one second less than whatever that number is.
If I am wrong, I will rest soundly knowing that I lived life to the fullest, wasted little time and accomplished as much as I could in the time I had. I try to stay on the right side of what my moral compass tells me is right and wrong, and try to leave everything I touch better than I found it. I'll take my chances that this will be enough to qualify for the next round... (assuming of course that the Budhists got it right) or transfer to the "A Main" if the christian religions were right the whole time...
Until then, I will just have to continue living in the now, and living each day like it matters. I believe it does.
To quote Jack London, one of my favorite authors...
"I would rather be ashes than dust!
I would rather that my spark should burn out
in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom
of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time. "
Another great post...and great philosophy to live by. :D :D
Theodore Roosevelt had a great one as well, but I don't have time right now to dig it up and post it.
You must have read about my gut before I started working out again...
Thanks though... I try. :D
Lol....you know I thought I might need to put a clarifying statement with that. As you know (but as I should say so no one else is mis-lead), it was not a comment on your weight, but rather a compliment to your approach to life in things that you do and say. :D

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

Actually, I think that the Christians have evolved beyond blood shed for God at this point in time :) and I haven't noticed anyone discussing Alah or Mohamed in this thread.
It was only 20 years ago the Catholics and the Protestants were killing each other in North Ireland. It could happen again at any time, don't fool yourself.
Furthermore, talk to any Muslim overseas and he/she will most likely tell you that they believe they are still fighting the Crusades in Palestine and the rest of the Middle East. You may say it's about oil, but that is your perception given your environment. Their perception is different. What makes yours right and theirs wrong? I think it's over oil, but perhaps they are correct that it is a religious "recapture the Holy Lands" thing. Bush has made it pretty clear that he is very religious.
Oh, and the original post said "God is Fake." That would include the Muslim God. So, technically, we have been discussing Allah the whole time. Except for those specifically mentioning Jesus of Nazareth and his possible connection with "Allah" or "God" whichever term and relationship you prefer.

[airpacker]

It was only 20 years ago the Catholics and the Protestants were killing each other in North Ireland. It could happen again at any time, don't fool yourself.
Furthermore, talk to any Muslim overseas and he/she will most likely tell you that they believe they are still fighting the Crusades in Palestine and the rest of the Middle East. You may say it's about oil, but that is your perception given your environment. Their perception is different. What makes yours right and theirs wrong? I think it's over oil, but perhaps they are correct that it is a religious "recapture the Holy Lands" thing. Bush has made it pretty clear that he is very religious.
Oh, and the original post said "God is Fake." That would include the Muslim God. So, technically, we have been discussing Allah the whole time. Except for those specifically mentioning Jesus of Nazareth and his possible connection with "Allah" or "God" whichever term and relationship you prefer.
The conflicts in Northern ireland are much deeper than religion. Most Protestants in N.I. are directly descended from the conquering English, who just happened to be Protestants. Thus the generations old hatred towards them by the Southerners who for the most part happen to be Catholics.
The war in the middle east has always been about oil from a Westerners perspective and about Islam from the easterners perspective. It doesn't matter if it is being fought in Isreal, the Gaza strip, the Golan Heights, Syria, Lebanon wherever. The Muslims declare it a Holy War and the western nations support anyone who will fight against them.
Iran and Iraq fought a 20 year viscious battle over oil, not Allah but they would never admit it.

[KingCole]

Well, no offense but I have seen him do more than I have seen Jesus accomplish.
I could have used Mahatma Ghandi, Jerry Garcia or Billy Mays as an example instead. Anyone who has a devoted following of people who are big fans and followers. Shit... Jerry Garcia has had ice cream named after him, legions of adoring fans who would lay down in front of a train for him and had people dedicate their lives to following him. Not saying that is a "miracle" per-se, but by him dying, it allowed Phish to gain popularity... which pretty much is a miracle since they totally suck.
Miracles are relative. People think it was a miracle that their house was spared from a tornado... or a miracle that the bullet missed the heart by a half-inch. I have a greater criteria for miracles, and have never witnessed anything that couldn't be easily explained by weather dynamics or bad aim as in the case of the aforementioned "miracles".
I also realize that religion, and the companionship it provides for some is an important comfort... especially in times of distress. I don't discount it or chastise it in the least... but we see the same thing every day here on the forums. People reaching out to those in need, donating time, energy and money to great causes, providing places to stay after disasters, both from a relationship or natural, help on the freeway when you see an OP6 sticker or a boat on the side of the road... We provide the same level of support, maybe even more so in the same type of circumstances. Look at Nan's injury and the people that rallied around her. Just and example... there are hundreds to choose from.
I assume you are asking this question because you believe that Jesus performed miracles because it was written in the Bible, correct?
You are correct. I do believe in God, and that what he says in the bible is true. Now, I haven't seen God or Jesus in person, but I hear good things, and that is where my faith come in.
As for the "miracles". I believe that when someone is diagnosed with a life threatening illness, only to have the Doctors later say "the illness is completely gone". Has more to do with God and answered prayer, than it does with a change in weather, bad aim or hapenstance. But thats me.
I assume that what you can't physically see, you don't believe, correct?

[Tom Brown]

I also realize that religion, and the companionship it provides for some is an important comfort... especially in times of distress. I don't discount it or chastise it in the least... but we see the same thing every day here on the forums. People reaching out to those in need, donating time, energy and money to great causes, providing places to stay after disasters, both from a relationship or natural, help on the freeway when you see an OP6 sticker or a boat on the side of the road... We provide the same level of support, maybe even more so in the same type of circumstances. Look at Nan's injury and the people that rallied around her. Just and example... there are hundreds to choose from.
I think there's something beautiful, even spiritual, that happens on these forums. When someone needs a hand, someone else helps them out. It's the ***boat spirit and it's very generous. I'm proud to be part of it.
It's people helping people. There's nothing more deflating than having a buddy hit you up for a favor and then, when you say "sure", tell you how God is taking care of him. It's as though you don't exist and non-believers are only there for believers to make use of.
If I were a more direct man, I would say something when this happens. I'd love to say, "Listen, asshole... it wasn't God who walked home after lending you his car and it wasn't God who said 'don't worry about it' when his car came back with a smashed off driver's side mirror."
Instead of being direct, however, I suck it up, make a point of being polite but not helping that person again, and lay in wait for an opportunity to let the Devil have a chance to help the person out at some point in the future.

[Froggystyle]

You are correct. I do believe in God, and that what he says in the bible is true. Now, I haven't seen God or Jesus in person, but I hear good things, and that is where my faith come in.
Well, it sounds like you have the facts correct in that it is belief you are speaking of, and people worldwide believe in all sorts of things I don't pretend to understand.
As for the "miracles". I believe that when someone is diagnosed with a life threatening illness, only to have the Doctors later say "the illness is completely gone". Has more to do with God and answered prayer, than it does with a change in weather, bad aim or hapenstance. But thats me.
Well, I don't pray, and I have been told I would never walk correctly again by a doctor after my parachute accident. After a second incident, I was essentially promised that I would never play guitar again after basically vaporizing my left hand. Turns out that it wasn't faith that superseded either of the aforementioned diagnosis' from coming to pass. It was excruciatingly hard work, rehabilitation and extended recovery time that trumped it. If you think about it, you can't say that the life threatening illness going away is any more of a miracle than the life threatening illness showing up in the first place. The body is an amazing creature. It will make itself sick, and cure itself. Whatever was in place to allow the illness may have been removed, or perhaps a greater attention to physical health and awareness was what it took. In either case, I would award that win to human physiology and modern medicine before I credited a deity with the assist.
I assume that what you can't physically see, you don't believe, correct? Not even close. I believe there is more life out in the universe. I believe we are unimportant, and that scares me. I believe that Karma, or a variant of it of some sort is real. I believe in five of the ten commandments. I believe that people should be treated with respect, and that if you do you tend to have less problems. I believe that if you are asking for trouble, you will find it... but strangely the more capable you are of dealing with any trouble that comes your way, the less likely it is to find you. Wow... this is starting to sound like Bull Durham...
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Tell you what... I will debate theology, metaphysics, the epic struggle of right vs. wrong with you until the cows come home, but only if you allow the following ground rule...
If you get to use the Bible as a definitive source to base your arguments on... I get to use Star Wars. Deal?

[Froggystyle]

It's people helping people. There's nothing more deflating than having a buddy hit you up for a favor and then, when you say "sure", tell you how God is taking care of him. It's as though you don't exist and non-believers are only there for believers to make use of.
I have been through two organized crucibles in my life that most won't have to... one was boot camp, which, incidentally for the Navy is essentially Camp Snoopy... and BUD/s training. Both have shown me important things about the devout, as both have been packed... initially... with devoutly religious people.
Not to characterize or chastize, but these are merely my observations....
In boot camp, I was in charge of half of my company. Kind of. You aren't really in charge of them, but you are held accountable for their successes and failures. As "Port Watch Leading Petty Officer" you have probably 50 or so people who you need to tend, and you have three section leaders under you to tend to their third of your flock. I found that the people least likely to pass an inspection, the ones who spent the least amount of time making sure that not only their crap looked good, but maybe, possibly help someone out along the way were these thumpers we had in the group. They seriously believed that prayers were going to help them out. "Oh dear God baby Jesus... please help me pass my inspection tomorrow and bless my locker with the ability to make my inspector blind so he can't see that I don't even know how to fold clothes or follow directions" The "answer" to their prayers inevitably was me folding their shit, taping off their locker and keeping them from touching it at all... imagine that... being told not to touch your shit because you weren't capable of not screwing it up... and essentially tricking the inspector into passing them. I did enough folding in boot camp for six guys, because five of my guys thought Jesus was going to fold their shit evidently. I am not Jesus, and I do not want to fold your shit! Neither does Jesus by the way. If I hadn't gotten their lockers squared away, I would have been responsible and paid for it.
Next was BUD/s. We started with 272 people assigned to my class. I would say the first day of training there were enough devout folks to take up half the class. People who had either attended church regularly growing up or who were for whatever reason not only deeply religious but evangalistic at times about it. At least 100 would gather every evening for a "Prayer Circle" down on the beach. We aren't allowed to split up until later, so there is the 172 of us waiting off to the side while these guys did their deal... essentially verbatim, it sounded like this... "Dear Lord, please help us stay strong and not quit when it is tough, bless our classmates who aren't quite as strong and help them through their times of need, and Lord, please deliver us some smaller waves so we can make it through the first day of surf passage without getting hurt... yada yada yada... "
Fast forward 10 hours. We are in the middle of winter in 1994. El Nino is hitting big time and the waves are double overhead. We are trying to paddle out in rubber rafts, seven men to a raft. It was a massacre. Paddles and students everywhere, broken arms, the bell is ringing so fast it is like a damn alarm from people quitting. We were less than 45 minutes into the first day of being a class and we had 75 people ring out (quit). By the end of a rough first day, I had gotten a tooth knocked out and the class had lost over 100 people. The "prayer circle" that night had about 15 people in it. Looking back, I don't think one single person that I remember from that circle made it through. Two people made it pretty far, one of them I remember well. LT Rick Worms. He quit late in the game during a pretty tough evolution. I asked him why he quit (you can't make this shit up...) and he said clearly that during that evolution he felt that he heard the word of the Lord, and that the Lord had greater plans for him than being a SEAL... So, he quit.
These guys had an easier time quitting than others, because they believed that there was something out there deciding their fate for them. If they made a decision to drop out, it was easy enough to decide that it was God's will, and no fault of their own.
There was no prayer circle during the last months of training. Either everyone in it initally had changed their minds, or they had quit. Regardless, both training evolutions gave me a lot of insight into the minds of people who are able to easily cast blame and praise in a direction other than themselves.

[thatguy]

Actually, I think that the Christians have evolved beyond blood shed for God at this point in time :) and I haven't noticed anyone discussing Alah or Mohamed in this thread.
Yeah, the Muslim fanatics are so far away from their roots it really can't even be included in a reasonable discussion on religions. IMHO
Tommy

[thatguy]

Contrairily, I suck the nectar out of every day, realizing that the only factual evidence that I can prove is that my time here is limited. I don't know how much longer I have, but I do know that every second I am alive is one second less than whatever that number is.
If I am wrong, I will rest soundly knowing that I lived life to the fullest, wasted little time and accomplished as much as I could in the time I had. I try to stay on the right side of what my moral compass tells me is right and wrong, and try to leave everything I touch better than I found it. I'll take my chances that this will be enough to qualify for the next round... (assuming of course that the Budhists got it right) or transfer to the "A Main" if the christian religions were right the whole time...
Until then, I will just have to continue living in the now, and living each day like it matters. I believe it does.
To quote Jack London, one of my favorite authors...
"I would rather be ashes than dust!
I would rather that my spark should burn out
in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom
of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time. "
I think you may hve misinterpreted my meaning, I am not nearly as good as you at conveying my thoughts. :(
I too kick the shit out of life every waking moment, though I seem to get tired much more quickly than I used to!
What I meant is that I don't waste alot of time trying to figure out why God did this or that. He didn't. We did.
If you take a classroom of 1st graders and tell them "If you can ALL AGREE on what flavor ice cream is the best, you can each have a bowl of it every day in class", what do you see happening?
They will argue forever and never agree. Soon they won't even remember the fact that they are ALL losing out on ice cream.
I feel that the higher beings that try to help us (like Jesus for one) must feel just like the teacher. Watching and shaking their heads at us.
"All aboard for the intergalactical tour of "earth zoo". You will see first hand the most primitive species in the universe! Please don't feed the humans! If the pilot allows we will drop our cloaking device and let them glimpse us, then watch as they scurry about arguing over if we are real. If we cruise over Canada, we may see a Hanson or Brown. If that happens the tour will be aborted immediatley!" :D
Tommy

[Sleeper CP]

What I meant is that I don't waste alot of time trying to figure out why God did this or that. He didn't. We did.
Tommy
Understood Tommy...It's not his fault it's our fault. I just don't get the concept that God creates problems for us or watches over our every move. If I subscribed to that concept then I guess I would have the same point of view as a few here do that God is evil or a sicko.
What a strange way to look at things:idea:
Sleeper CP
565" Ford Lover

[talkinghead]

This is all blasphemy!

[Tom Brown]

Yeah, the Muslim fanatics are so far away from their roots it really can't even be included in a reasonable discussion on religions. IMHO
Tommy
That's great you can feel your religion is better than others. The truth, however, may lay elsewhere.
Does anyone else recall the aggressive program of prayer Pat Robertson commissioned to create a vacancy in the supreme court? He was calling for prayer that specific people die. Pat Robertson is a significant Christian leader.
http://www.cbn.com/special/supremecourt/prayerpledge.asp
If you want to think no violence has happened over Christian beliefs, that's fine. You may enjoy life better that way. That, however, is a contention that would not stand even the lightest scrutiny.
Come to think of it, I don't recall any scandals in the Muslim church that involved them sodomizing young male followers that help the church. The Catholic church handled sexual misconduct by their people in the field with a transfer to another dieses. Followers who eat meat on Friday, however, were condemned to eternity in Hell.
Why are we so quick to categorize all Muslims as the same people? There are people on this board, framer1 for example, who will not work for Muslims. I can understand being a little tender about it since the terrorist hijackings but it was not the Muslim population who attacked your country. It was a few radicals. Perhaps Muslims look at all Christians as child sodomizers?
I'm not sure the people of North America are any better than the people of the rest of the world. We have scary and violent radicals here too. We have senseless killings. We have gangland hits. As a group, we are partially broken. As individuals, there is much beauty among us. Is it so hard to understand there might be beautiful people among other beliefs and cultures too?

[AirtimeLavey]

That's great you can feel your religion is better than others. The truth, however, may lay elsewhere.
Does anyone else recall the aggressive program of prayer Pat Robertson commissioned to create a vacancy in the supreme court? He was calling for prayer that specific people die. Pat Robertson is a significant Christian leader.
http://www.cbn.com/special/supremecourt/prayerpledge.asp
If you want to think no violence has happened over Christian beliefs, that's fine. You may enjoy life better that way. That, however, is a contention that would not stand even the lightest scrutiny.
Come to think of it, I don't recall any scandals in the Muslim church that involved them sodomizing young male followers that help the church. The Catholic church handled sexual misconduct by their people in the field with a transfer to another dieses. Followers who eat meat on Friday, however, were condemned to eternity in Hell.
Why are we so quick to categorize all Muslims as the same people? There are people on this board, framer1 for example, who will not work for Muslims. I can understand being a little tender about it since the terrorist hijackings but it was not the Muslim population who attacked your country. It was a few radicals. Perhaps Muslims look at all Christians as child sodomizers?
I'm not sure the people of North America are any better than the people of the rest of the world. We have scary and violent radicals here too. We have senseless killings. We have gangland hits. As a group, we are partially broken. As individuals, there is much beauty among us. Is it so hard to understand there might be beautiful people among other beliefs and cultures too?
It's fear of the unknown and unfamiliar that many times brings harsh judgements and misperceptions. That and the terrorists....:mad: :)

[Tom Brown]

It's fear of the unknown and unfamiliar that many times brings harsh judgements and misperceptions.
:)
That and the terrorists....:mad: :)
Terrorism is a powerful weapon. I have no sympathy for terrorists. Those fockers deserve to be pissed on, killed, and then pissed on again. How can you deal with someone who thinks you deserve to die because..... well... I don't know why they think we should die. I just know that I don't agree with them.
People who think it's right to kill people are broken. Terrorism has as little to do with religion as small town Christians beating openly gay men because they think the Bible tells them to do it. In each case, they have interpreted their holy teachings in their own, broken way and they feel righteous in prosecuting their beliefs on others.

[AirtimeLavey]

:)
Terrorism is a powerful weapon. I have no sympathy for terrorists. Those fockers deserve to be pissed on, killed, and then pissed on again. How can you deal with someone who thinks you deserve to die because..... well... I don't know why they think we should die. I just know that I don't agree with them.
People who think it's right to kill people are broken. Terrorism has as little to do with religion as small town Christians beating openly gay men because they think the Bible tells them to do it. In each case, they have interpreted their holy teachings in their own, broken way and they feel righteous in prosecuting their beliefs on others.
And that is where religion goes bad so much. Sure it may not be the religion itself (although perhaps in it is in some cases) but rather the twisted interpretations that inevitably result.
I have not studied up on Islam, but have heard more than once that the religion does talk about infadels and that they should be sought out and destroyed. If that's the case, then the terrorists appear noble or fighting a divine fight. Therefore they gain support, or get it from instilling fear in everyone else.

[boatsnblondes]

Interesting thread boys, interesting ....very good.....so from my readings here in this thread I gather that the vast majority of you are atheists, or at best agnostics...good for you..... good for you. If I read it right, the majority of you think that God is a joke, the bible is a fairy tale, and we just.....float.....out ....into....the....cosmos???? Is that a fair and balanced assessment????
Well, here's a little news for you, God is NOT fake. God is real, more real than you might want to deal with. The Bible is the most important archeological document in the world, everytime they look for something using the Bible, amazing folks, they find it. And explain away this one....
The Bible is split into basically two books....for you non-believers, that would be the old and the new testament. The old testament is old JEWISH law, written as a historical document, but also, of stories of great Jewish leaders, of which Job and Moses are two. Yes, David, later KING David, was also Jewish, auther of some of the most beatiful verses in the Bible, the Psalms. The new testament is the teachings of Christ, his birth, life, death and teachings of the apostles to other peoples throughout the area after his death.
In the old testament, written 2000 years before the birth of Christ, are 143 prophesies, about the nature and context of the mesiah. How he would be born, to whom, and so on...Christ fulfills those Jewish prophesies to the letter. 2000 years before his birth....explain that.
Christ talked about a lot of things, love, the 11th commandment, the sermon on the mount, but one of the things he also talked about, was who he was. He was very straightforward about who he was. He did not mince words. He did not sugercoat the nature of his life. And in John 14:6-9, he said it once again, as a warning, if you will, and I quote;
"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me"
He said it!! There it is boys...I don't make the rules, he does. All of your goodness in life, treating others good, gets you nowhere after you die without Christ in your life. I don't make the rules, I just quote them.
I firmly believe that in these days, more then any others, people are being forced to make a choice, whose team are you on?? And people are making the choice sometimes without knowing that they have. In Revolations, the Bible talks about the ages of the Church. The last age of the Church, is known as Laodicea. This Church symbolizes the decline of the importance the Church in the last days...these days, the Church is darn near irrelevant in this world. So he says this...
To the Church in Laodicea
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
This is a direct quote to those of you caught up in the I'm a good person thinking. Being a good person is great, good for you, but Christ makes it clear it's not enough. For you atheists, I give you and example.... C.S. Lewis, great author, and for a large part of his life, atheist. He wrote the Narnia Chronicles...and he later went on to say this about God......
"What are we to make of Christ?" There is no question of what we can make of Him, it is entirely a question of what He intends to make of us. You must accept or reject the story.
The things He says are very different from what any other teacher has said, Others say, "this is the truth about the Universe. This is the way you ought to go," but He says, "I am the Truth, and the Way, and the Life." He says, "No man can reach absolute reality, except through Me. Try to retain your own life and you will be inevitably ruined. Give yourself away and you will be saved." He says, "If you are ashamed of Me, if, when you hear this call, you turn the other way, I also will look the other way when I come again as God without disguise. If anything whatever is keeping you from God and from Me, whatever it is, throw it away. If it is your eye, pull it out. If it is your hand, cut it off. If you put yourself first you will be last. Come to Me everyone who is carrying a heavy load, I will set that right. Your sins, all of them, are wiped out, I can do that. I am Re-birth, I am Life. Eat Me, drink Me, I am your Food. And finally, do not be afraid, I have overcome the whole Universe." That is the issue." (C.S. Lewis, God in The Dock, "What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ?", pg. 160.)
Strong words from a man who swore (like a lot of you do, by the way) that there was no God.
For those of you sitting on the fence, not sure what to believe, know this. In the battle between good and evil for souls going on across this world, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold to God, you are condsidered the same as cold. You might as well not believe at all. Christ wants you all in or nothing.
Again, I don't make the rules, I'm just quoting them.
And being a Christian is a great thing....not much different than the vast majority of you are living now.....the Lord God and Christ just set up the rules, and we follow them. How do you treat your friends? Your enemies? Your wife, kids, neighbors?? How many of you already show love and respect to those people in your life? Most of you. Becoming Christain is not about I'm a better religion than that other guy, it's about submitting yourself before God, saying "I believe in you, I can't see you, but I feel you, and I hear you talking in the quietness of my soul". And letting God take control of your life. It does work. I could spend another two pages of this string talking about a really bad train crash out past Indio that nearly killed me in 2000, my hard recovery, thoughts of suicide, and finally, a tearfull realization that I could not carry it alone...it was too much for me. Most of you are already living a Christian lifestyle...but without Christ, it will get you nowhere.
I would ask that you visit this site,
http://www.harvest.org/
This is my Church from when I lived in Riverside until last year. This is a GREAT church...go, listen to Greg...and be blessed by it. This is one of the nations' GREAT churches, and it is in most of your backyards....I'll leave you with this quote, from Greg...
We all have our moments of hypocrisy—times when we are not behaving as we ought to behave as Christians, times where we really let the Lord down in our witness. The Bible tells us that hypocrites find out the hard way that you can't pull the wool over God's eyes. God deals with them very harshly because, in all honesty, He hates the sin of hypocrisy.
When Jesus walked this earth, He saved His most scathing words not for the sinners of the day, but for the self-righteous, religious hypocrites. In fact, with the sinners He could be quite gentle. Remember the woman caught in the act of adultery? He said to her, "Where are those accusers of yours?"
"No one, Lord," she told Him.
Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more" (see John 8:10–11).
Does this mean Jesus approved of the way she lived? Far from it—God is very clear about how He wants us to live. Jesus knew the real problem was that her sin needed to be resolved.
It was the same thing with the woman at the well, who was known for her immorality. Yet as Jesus spoke to her that day in Samaria, He did not condemn her for her lifestyle as much as He appealed to her inner spiritual thirst.
The bottom line is that people are empty, and they need to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Expend your energy there. Expend your energy in proclaiming the gospel. The heart of the matter is that people are lost. They need Christ. And we need to take that message to them.
Finally, I'll leave you with this, Christs' most stearn warning of his nature, "If you do not know me in life, it will be as if I do not know you in death" You will have no one to intercede for you before the father, and after that, well, you know...:2purples:
I pray you all find what it is you are looking for in the Church...and that you are blessed by it....[B]

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

Good for you. :) Personally, I believe in Santa Claus. When I'm good, I get rewarded :D Works every year and there is proof, so it must be true.

[ratso]

Interesting thread boys, interesting ....very good.....so from my readings here in this thread I gather that the vast majority of you are atheists, or at best agnostics...good for you..... good for you. If I read it right, the majority of you think that God is a joke, the bible is a fairy tale, and we just.....float.....out ....into....the....cosmos???? Is that a fair and balanced assessment????
Well, here's a little news for you, God is NOT fake. God is real, more real than you might want to deal with. The Bible is the most important archeological document in the world, everytime they look for something using the Bible, amazing folks, they find it. And explain away this one....
The Bible is split into basically two books....for you non-believers, that would be the old and the new testament. The old testament is old JEWISH law, written as a historical document, but also, of stories of great Jewish leaders, of which Job and Moses are two. Yes, David, later KING David, was also Jewish, auther of some of the most beatiful verses in the Bible, the Psalms. The new testament is the teachings of Christ, his birth, life, death and teachings of the apostles to other peoples throughout the area after his death.
In the old testament, written 2000 years before the birth of Christ, are 143 prophesies, about the nature and context of the mesiah. How he would be born, to whom, and so on...Christ fulfills those Jewish prophesies to the letter. 2000 years before his birth....explain that.
Christ talked about a lot of things, love, the 11th commandment, the sermon on the mount, but one of the things he also talked about, was who he was. He was very straightforward about who he was. He did not mince words. He did not sugercoat the nature of his life. And in John 14:6-9, he said it once again, as a warning, if you will, and I quote;
"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me"
He said it!! There it is boys...I don't make the rules, he does. All of your goodness in life, treating others good, gets you nowhere after you die without Christ in your life. I don't make the rules, I just quote them.
I firmly believe that in these days, more then any others, people are being forced to make a choice, whose team are you on?? And people are making the choice sometimes without knowing that they have. In Revolations, the Bible talks about the ages of the Church. The last age of the Church, is known as Laodicea. This Church symbolizes the decline of the importance the Church in the last days...these days, the Church is darn near irrelevant in this world. So he says this...
To the Church in Laodicea
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
This is a direct quote to those of you caught up in the I'm a good person thinking. Being a good person is great, good for you, but Christ makes it clear it's not enough. For you atheists, I give you and example.... C.S. Lewis, great author, and for a large part of his life, atheist. He wrote Narnia Chronicles...and he later went on to say this about God......
"What are we to make of Christ?" There is no question of what we can make of Him, it is entirely a question of what He intends to make of us. You must accept or reject the story.
The things He says are very different from what any other teacher has said, Others say, "this is the truth about the Universe. This is the way you ought to go," but He says, "I am the Truth, and the Way, and the Life." He says, "No man can reach absolute reality, except through Me. Try to retain your own life and you will be inevitably ruined. Give yourself away and you will be saved." He says, "If you are ashamed of Me, if, when you hear this call, you turn the other way, I also will look the other way when I come again as God without disguise. If anything whatever is keeping you from God and from Me, whatever it is, throw it away. If it is your eye, pull it out. If it is your hand, cut it off. If you put yourself first you will be last. Come to Me everyone who is carrying a heavy load, I will set that right. Your sins, all of them, are wiped out, I can do that. I am Re-birth, I am Life. Eat Me, drink Me, I am your Food. And finally, do not be afraid, I have overcome the whole Universe." That is the issue." (C.S. Lewis, God in The Dock, "What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ?", pg. 160.)
Strong words from a man who swore (like a lot of you do, by the way) that there was no God.
For those of you sitting on the fence, not sure what to believe, know this. In the battle between good and evil for souls going on across this world, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold to God, you are condsidered the same as cold. You might as well not believe at all. Christ wants you all in or nothing.
Again, I don't make the rules, I'm just quoting them.
And being a Christian is a great thing....not much different than the vast majority of you are living now.....the Lord God and Christ just set up the rules, and we follow them. How do you treat your friends? Your enemies? Your wife, kids, neighbors?? How many of you already show love and respect to those people in your life? Most of you. Becoming Christain is not about I'm a better religion than that other guy, it's about submitting yourself before God, saying "I believe in you, I can't see you, but I feel you, and I hear you talking in the quietness of my soul". And letting God take control of your life. It does work. I could spend another two pages of this string talking about a really bad train crash out past Indio that nearly killed me in 2000, my hard recovery, thoughts of suicide, and finally, a tearfull realization that I could not carry it alone...it was too much for me. Most of you are already living a Christian lifestyle...but without Christ, it will get you nowhere.
I would ask that you visit this site,
http://www.harvest.org/
This is my Church from when I lived in Riverside until last year. This is a GREAT church...go, listen to Greg...and be blessed by it. This is one of the nations' GREAT churches, and it is in most of your backyards....I'll leave you with this quote, from Greg...
We all have our moments of hypocrisy—times when we are not behaving as we ought to behave as Christians, times where we really let the Lord down in our witness. The Bible tells us that hypocrites find out the hard way that you can't pull the wool over God's eyes. God deals with them very harshly because, in all honesty, He hates the sin of hypocrisy.
When Jesus walked this earth, He saved His most scathing words not for the sinners of the day, but for the self-righteous, religious hypocrites. In fact, with the sinners He could be quite gentle. Remember the woman caught in the act of adultery? He said to her, "Where are those accusers of yours?"
"No one, Lord," she told Him.
Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more" (see John 8:10–11).
Does this mean Jesus approved of the way she lived? Far from it—God is very clear about how He wants us to live. Jesus knew the real problem was that her sin needed to be resolved.
It was the same thing with the woman at the well, who was known for her immorality. Yet as Jesus spoke to her that day in Samaria, He did not condemn her for her lifestyle as much as He appealed to her inner spiritual thirst.
The bottom line is that people are empty, and they need to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Expend your energy there. Expend your energy in proclaiming the gospel. The heart of the matter is that people are lost. They need Christ. And we need to take that message to them.I pray you all find what it is you are looking for in the Church...and that you are blessed by it....[B]
The main thing I got out of this, is you are saying adultery is okay?:D

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

Whoa! BnB, did you just put Mr. Laurie's words in red just as Christ's are in the Bible on purpose!? You aren't comparing him to Jesus, are you? Even I have more respect for Christ than that. Last I heard, Laurie had a house on the beach in Newport. Don't remember where I heard that, it's been a few years. http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/idea_2.gifI wonder how a simple minister would afford a multi million dollar house? Would Jesus have lived like that? I think not. That sickens me that you would put his words in the same rank as Christ's.

[boatsnblondes]

The main thing I got out of this, is you are saying adultery is okay?
No, it is to show that NONE of us is unredeemable (cept maybe bilge:D )...all one needs to do to have redemption, is to be humble enough to ask for it....not too hard. huh?

[boatsnblondes]

Whoa! BnB, did you just put Mr. Laurie's words in red just as Christ's are in the Bible on purpose!? You aren't comparing him to Jesus, are you? Even I have more respect for Christ than that. Last I heard, Laurie had a house on the beach in Newport. Don't remember where I heard that, it's been a few years. http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/idea_2.gifI wonder how a simple minister would afford a multi million dollar house? Would Jesus have lived like that? I think not. That sickens me that you would put his words in the same rank as Christ's.
I have no idea where he lives, last I heard, San Clemente....and for all the good he does in the world, the lives he brings to Christ...I don't begrudge him that at all...as for the color....I was just trying to point stuff out..I'll change it so as not to sicken your self rightous tush...

[Tom Brown]

...all one needs to do to have redemption, is to be humble enough to ask for it....not too hard. huh?
In my religion, sinners need to keep a nice lawn to gain redemption. I'm trying to mentor Jbb as best I can but I fear he will end up in what my faith calls, "the purgatory of thatch".

[AirtimeLavey]

Good for you. :) Personally, I believe in Santa Claus. When I'm good, I get rewarded :D Works every year and there is proof, so it must be true.
Well there have been many books writen about him...even movies made, so you know that's what it needs to pass many people's test for reality. At least with him you only have to be nice. :D
Whoa! BnB, did you just put Mr. Laurie's words in red just as Christ's are in the Bible on purpose!? You aren't comparing him to Jesus, are you? Even I have more respect for Christ than that. Last I heard, Laurie had a house on the beach in Newport. Don't remember where I heard that, it's been a few years. http://www.***boat.com/ubb/graemlins/idea_2.gifI wonder how a simple minister would afford a multi million dollar house? Would Jesus have lived like that? I think not. That sickens me that you would put his words in the same rank as Christ's.
Doesn't seem very "Christ"-like. :idea: But thoust shant carry-eth on-eth with-eth thoust blasphemy least thou shallst be rebuked-eth. Otherwise, nice posts throughoutesth this threadeth. :D

[Tom Brown]

...as for the color....I was just trying to point stuff out..I'll change it so as not to sicken your self rightous tush...
Does your religion tell you that you're better than other people and in a position to judge them and tell them what's right and what's wrong?
Gotta say, bud... I've never felt any righteous behavior from Mrs. Sportin' Wood. She has proven herself to be one of the highest quality individuals on here. Her posts to you strike me as well reasoned questions, not pius and demeaning quips.... like you're spewing.

[AirtimeLavey]

Does your religion tell you that you're better than other people and in a position to judge them and tell them what's right and what's wrong?
Gotta say, bud... I've never felt any righteous behavior from Mrs. Sportin' Wood. She has proven herself to be one of the highest quality individuals on here. Her posts to you strike me as well reasoned questions, not pius and demeaning quips.... like you're spewing.
I agree. Funny to hear you (Bnb) accuse anyone else of being self-righteous. That's the essence of your belief system. Just stop and think about it for a minute.

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

Does your religion tell you that you're better than other people and in a position to judge them and tell them what's right and what's wrong?
Gotta say, bud... I've never felt any righteous behavior from Mrs. Sportin' Wood. She has proven herself to be one of the highest quality individuals on here. Her posts to you strike me as well reasoned questions, not pius and demeaning quips.... like you're spewing.
Bullshit. I AM self-righteous. We both know I'm always right. I am a woman, after all :D
I'm KIDDING! I try to admit when I'm wrong. I think I just admitted it to SWB earlier in the week.