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HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 09:22 AM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?

Jordy
09-21-2007, 09:24 AM
Doing some research on claims made by an online suitor or what??? :idea:

hkunz
09-21-2007, 09:25 AM
Depends. What are you doing to enable the process? Full participation can lead to more productive encounters.

Chico&Zeus
09-21-2007, 09:25 AM
10 Minutes is pretty fast......however, if the woman is on top for the first round....allowing the man to save his strength and stamina....I think 10 minutes could be possible.
(On a side note...almost every man could get it up again for a piece of strange in less than 10 minutes):D

Sleeper CP
09-21-2007, 09:26 AM
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
Even for an 18-24 year old.
Look for 20-30 minutes:)
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover

77Woodbridge
09-21-2007, 09:32 AM
Depends. What are you doing to enable the process? Full participation can lead to more productive encounters.
Ditto that. If the women just turns me on - I mean just looking at her makes me horny, 10 minutes is doable. I've gotta have that carnal WANT going. 41 BTW

essexjet
09-21-2007, 09:32 AM
Depends on how active round #1 was :) :) Could be 10mins or could be 30mins.

Trailer Park Casanova
09-21-2007, 09:33 AM
If it's been a few days,, then round two is about 20 to an hour minutes if the chic turns you on.

BEER&WATER
09-21-2007, 09:34 AM
??? how many girls are there

Jyruiz
09-21-2007, 09:35 AM
10 minutes is more than enough.

Big Warlock
09-21-2007, 09:36 AM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
Kind of depends on what you look like!! :D

SB
09-21-2007, 09:36 AM
For under 10 min., you're going to have to stimulate his prostate.:jawdrop:
Depends on how long it's been since he had some too. :D

Chipster27
09-21-2007, 09:38 AM
I wish I could respond.
I have the anatomy of a Ken doll, but I over compensate by buying expensive toys

Jordy
09-21-2007, 09:39 AM
??? how many girls are there
Good point. At an ADPi party, 5 minutes or less and we're back at it!!! :D :D
Kind of depends on what you look like!! :D
True dat!!! Danica Patrick will have a better pit time than say, Rosie O'Donnel.
For under 10 min., you're going to have to stimulate his prostate.:jawdrop:
:idea: :notam:
You should just go ahead and delete that post now, or perhaps you'd like to start a thread looking for someone to "push you" to workout. :notam:

david_396
09-21-2007, 09:43 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2050847462 he or she has all the answers it seems

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 09:44 AM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 09:45 AM
So a finger in the pit is key, huh?

bocco
09-21-2007, 09:48 AM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
We're gonna need pics to get you a definet answer.

DeltaSigBoater
09-21-2007, 09:48 AM
Good point. At an ADPi party, 5 minutes or less and we're back at it!!! :D :D
Jordy - dont know where you went to college, but when ADPi was @ San Diego State... it was like going Big Game Hunting.
However the ADPi's at UCSD & USD were and still are bangin' :D

bocco
09-21-2007, 09:50 AM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.
Did she say "domino" ?

Jordy
09-21-2007, 09:52 AM
Jordy - dont know where you went to college, but when ADPi was @ San Diego State... it was like going Big Game Hunting.
However the ADPi's at UCSD & USD were and still are bangin' :D
I'm a Sun Devil!!! There wasn't alot of big game at ANY of the sororities when I was there. How I miss ASU!!! :(
I'm thinking that a second degree in something like Liesure Studies will really better my chances for career advancment. I'll make drive-thru one of these days if it hair lips the Pope!!! :D

BarryMac
09-21-2007, 09:52 AM
When do you want to test it out? :devil:

Jordy
09-21-2007, 09:53 AM
So a finger in the pit is key, huh?
Only if you plan on prying me down from the ceiling fan. :notam:

OutCole'd
09-21-2007, 09:54 AM
Only if you plan on prying me down from the ceiling fan. :notam:
LMAO!!!! Isn't that the truth.:D :D

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 09:56 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside

Cheap Thrills
09-21-2007, 09:58 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
Don't tinker with my stinker, I'll pull out and thump ya in the forehead with it. :D
T.

Dave C
09-21-2007, 10:00 AM
depends on how much credit I have left...

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 10:00 AM
But I have the delicate mits of an obese, water-retaining carnie

River Lynchmob
09-21-2007, 10:01 AM
I'm a Sun Devil!!! There wasn't alot of big game at ANY of the sororities when I was there. How I miss ASU!!! :(
I'm thinking that a second degree in something like Liesure Studies will really better my chances for career advancment. I'll make drive-thru one of these days if it hair lips the Pope!!! :D
At SC ADPi were refered to as Animals, Dogs, Pigs.

Jordy
09-21-2007, 10:01 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
There are some who would admit it, but they're called gay. :)

SB
09-21-2007, 10:03 AM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.
Dynamo. :D
When I was younger I could just stay hard, and keep going.
Over 35, normal means telling the bish to stop standing in front of the tv.:D
There was a female comedian talking about how she missed dating horny 25 yr. olds. She's at dinner with a 37 yr. old guy, and she can tell he'd rather be at home with his cat watching CNN.
IMO. when a guy gets over 35, he loses a little urgency and his ego needs to be stroked a little more. You say to your wife, "Honey, I painted the wall, I fixed the door, I killed the ants."
She says, "Great, want me to give ya a little?"
"No, could you just spend 10 min. telling me how great I am. You know, maybe sing me a couple verses of 'You are the Wind Beneath My Wings.'"
:D :D :D

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 10:06 AM
I did type "domino" didnt I? What a flamming retard. Apparently I was trying to describe a black guy with a rectangular body with white spots.

River Lynchmob
09-21-2007, 10:07 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
Tickle the taint a little with your tongue and that's as close as you're getting to my balloon knot.

RitcheyRch
09-21-2007, 10:08 AM
That guy creeps me out.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2050847462 he or she has all the answers it seems

Jordy
09-21-2007, 10:10 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
Most guys aren't big on "surprises" in bed to begin with... :idea:
Don't tinker with my stinker, I'll pull out and thump ya in the forehead with it. :D
T.
Nothing like a good ol' mushroom mark across the forehead to get your point across. :D
At SC ADPi were refered to as Animals, Dogs, Pigs.
Granted I've been out of ASU for over 10 years now, but back then, lots of talent distracting me from my education with ADPi on their chests. :D

WYRD
09-21-2007, 10:12 AM
I usually need more time, anything before 30 min makes my hand start to cramp up:D

Baja Big Dog
09-21-2007, 10:14 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
Bullshit....after a night of Tommy's burgers, beer, half a bag of peanuts, I think the surprise will be on the other end of the finger!!!
20 min's if its a new piece, two days after a year!!!:D

Jordy
09-21-2007, 10:15 AM
Bullshit....after a night of Tommy's burgers, beer, half a bag of peanuts, I think the surprise will be on the other end of the finger!!!
Paging Mr. Sanchez. Mr. Dirty Sanchez to the white courtesy phone please. :D

Liberator TJ1984
09-21-2007, 10:20 AM
If ya mix Enzite and Viagra ..never bust one loose ...& ...it might be a few hours before the kickstand returns to normal :eek:
so I've heard ;) :D

DeltaSigBoater
09-21-2007, 10:23 AM
At SC ADPi were refered to as Animals, Dogs, Pigs.
ADPi at SDSU used to buy massive amounts of alcohol and invite guys over to drink for free. Cool free drinks, well the girls had other ideas and about my 18th beer I got what was going on. I realized that there was no way in hell I was going to be able to drink a fat-n-fugly 4 into a thin-n-hot 9... So try as I did to leave no man behind, but some of my other fraternity brothers were pass beer goggles and didn’t want to leave.

Spotondl
09-21-2007, 10:25 AM
I think it depends on how sore she is... the recoup period is up to her...:devil: :devil: :devil:

BarryMac
09-21-2007, 10:26 AM
No man is gonna admit he likes a little surprise on the backside
That's like pushing the E-Stop on a piece of equipment, hit the hole and everything immediately comes to a halt, hopefully no injuries were sustained...

Wild Horses
09-21-2007, 10:28 AM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.
Maybe you better go lookup your old guy, multiples in a man are rare bedfellows!:idea:
You could always compare notes.

Baja Big Dog
09-21-2007, 10:30 AM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
Need to clear something up, just so we know if we are the a level playing field, are looking for someone to rock the boat for an hour or two, or do you want the goo reciept?
If its stamina your looking for a little powder on the poker and its good for hours!!!! You can smoke a rubber in an hour on the shit!!!!:D

HM
09-21-2007, 10:31 AM
What is round two? I'm sleepin', she's weepin'!

CornWater
09-21-2007, 11:22 AM
If this thread doesn't force Brown to carnal insanity, surely nothing will.

drtywhat
09-21-2007, 11:45 AM
Need to clear something up, just so we know if we are the a level playing field, are looking for someone to rock the boat for an hour or two, or do you want the goo reciept?
If its stamina your looking for a little powder on the poker and its good for hours!!!! You can smoke a rubber in an hour on the shit!!!!:D
what is this powder we are talking about:confused: :confused:

Jordy
09-21-2007, 11:46 AM
what is this powder we are talking about:confused: :confused:
plaster of paris or quick-crete. :D

drtywhat
09-21-2007, 11:48 AM
plaster of paris or quick-crete. :D
Gots to try this on the ole carrot. Hey jordo you posted a pic about where you work.. It had your truck and a diesel trailer in the background with it. It had power lines running behind it to. Was that the nw glendale community college expansion?

WYRD
09-21-2007, 11:52 AM
Gots to try this on the ole carrot. Hey jordo you posted a pic about where you work.. It had your truck and a diesel trailer in the background with it. It had power lines running behind it to. Was that the nw glendale community college expansion?
Report back to us with the results...........this should be interesting:idea: :D

DeltaSigBoater
09-21-2007, 11:56 AM
what is this powder we are talking about:confused: :confused:
Booger Sugar :D

Jordy
09-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Hey jordo you posted a pic about where you work.. It had your truck and a diesel trailer in the background with it. It had power lines running behind it to. Was that the nw glendale community college expansion?
Nope. Don't have anything out at GCC now. I typically have a couple generators out there every year when John Deere comes to town to put on their ag equipment training classes. The only pic I can think of like that was out at the North Scottsdale water treatment facility, but that's been quite a while back.

Jordy
09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Report back to us with the results...........this should be interesting:idea: :D
People helping people??? :D :D :D

Throttle
09-21-2007, 11:58 AM
I'm ready for round two... its round three that I worry about...

Jordy
09-21-2007, 12:16 PM
I didn't think Jordy was allowed to hang out by any type of school.:D
Rio
You been talking to Karl again??? :idea: :D
The best part about those schools, I keep getting older and the girls stay the same age!!! :D :D :D

drtywhat
09-21-2007, 12:19 PM
I'm ready for round two... its round three that I worry about...
Have you heard or seen the needle injections in to the old one eyed that keep you umm well "up" for a long time and make ya go like an alcohol funny car?>?:idea:

Magic34
09-21-2007, 12:23 PM
I'm a Sun Devil!!! There wasn't alot of big game at ANY of the sororities when I was there. How I miss ASU!!! :(
I'm thinking that a second degree in something like Liesure Studies will really better my chances for career advancment. I'll make drive-thru one of these days if it hair lips the Pope!!! :D
ASU (college) + nice boat = Game over
No one could hang, take your pick.

Jordy
09-21-2007, 12:23 PM
Have you heard or seen the needle injections in to the old one eyed that keep you umm well "up" for a long time and make ya go like an alcohol funny car?>?:idea:
Needle is to one eye as finger is to balloon knot... :eek:

Ziggy
09-21-2007, 12:23 PM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
Can't you just replace the batteries?:confused:
:D :D :D :D

djunkie
09-21-2007, 12:25 PM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.
Did we date? :confused: :D :D

Jordy
09-21-2007, 12:28 PM
Did we date? :confused: :D :D
Havaskank is female, so I'd guess not. :D :D :D
Figured Cole Tickle would chime in with that soon enough. :)

WYRD
09-21-2007, 12:30 PM
People helping people??? :D :D :D
The only thing better would be if you convinced him the way to tke it off after it dries is to jump into deep water:D

djunkie
09-21-2007, 12:31 PM
Havaskank is female, so I'd guess not. :D :D :D
Figured Cole Tickle would chime in with that soon enough. :)
F.U.N.!!!!!!! :jawdrop: :D After seeing pics of Havaskank I'm thinking of maybe stalking her. :D

AZJD
09-21-2007, 12:34 PM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
If he did his job right in the first place, there wouldn't be a need for round 2!

phebus
09-21-2007, 12:35 PM
In 10 mins I hope she has her car started, and is backing out of the driveway. :D

WaterJunky
09-21-2007, 12:46 PM
I would guess it would depend on his mental age. Some of the "mature" guys here sound like they need pills and several days. Some of us just need 15 or 20 minutes and a little "encouragement" for Mr Wiggly from the lady. Of course there is some validity to the argument that if he was doing his job right the first time...........
Careful where you think you are going to stick that finger..... The ceiling fan comment sounds about right. Although the tongue, taint and sack can work.

STV_Keith
09-21-2007, 12:48 PM
Depends on how drunk I was. :sqeyes:

Insurance God
09-21-2007, 12:50 PM
Oh Im all about "full participation." I guess I have the patience of a retarded 5 yr old in Sunday Mass.
I dated a guy who was a sexual domino who could FREAKISHLY bust out multiples without crashing the mast. I've got a new piece of ass these days and Im trying to remember what "normal" is.
Have we dated? :D

Ivan Dan
09-21-2007, 12:54 PM
In 10 mins I hope she has her car started, and is backing out of the driveway. :D
HA HA HA you were faster than I to this one! :D

ratso
09-21-2007, 12:57 PM
If it's just some random chick... one time, but I'm putting a hell of a lot of work into it in case it's the only time... if we go round two, she's gonna be doing the work to get me to that point... and then leave asap...
If it's someone I'm really into... two times easy with 10 to 20 recovery time, whether she helps or not, and then again when we wake up, and then again before she leaves...
They used to have this stuff called "Invigorate" that was sold at my gym until they took it off the market... my last ex wife and I used to take that when we got home after going out for drinks on the weekends... We'd screw all night... the only reason we'd stop is to catch our breaths, no recovery time, just keep pounding away at every position imaginable... sometimes I'd finish, sometimes I wouldn't... I'd pass out with a hard on and wake up with a hard on... That was some awesome shit...
They claim there was some kind of "solvent" in that stuff... I don't know but they damn sure pulled it from the shelves. My buddy that owned the gym was even served with a warrant to search his home to be sure none of it was stashed anywhere... Stuff tasted fukkin' nasty, but chase it with some orange juice and you were good to go... Nothing, and I mean nothing in my entire life was as good of a "legal" aphrodisiac as that...

Kilrtoy
09-21-2007, 12:58 PM
HA HA HA you were faster than I to this one! :D
That is what she is talking about, BEING TO FAST...
I have heard this before from someone, I think named Monica

ratso
09-21-2007, 12:58 PM
Have we dated? :D
Apparently you and djunkie must have tag teamed her...

wright27
09-21-2007, 12:59 PM
IMO this is not a guy thing, if the girl wants it up again, then get to work bitch.:D

djunkie
09-21-2007, 01:00 PM
If it's just some random chick... one time, but I'm putting a hell of a lot of work into it in case it's the only time... if we go round two, she's gonna be doing the work to get me to that point... and then leave asap...
If it's someone I'm really into... two times easy with 10 to 20 recovery time, whether she helps or not, and then again when we wake up, and then again before she leaves...
They used to have this stuff called "Invigorate" that was sold at my gym until they took it off the market... my last ex wife and I used to take that when we got home after going out for drinks on the weekends... We'd screw all night... the only reason we'd stop is to catch our breaths, no recovery time, just keep pounding away at every position imaginable... sometimes I'd finish, sometimes I wouldn't... I'd pass out with a hard on and wake up with a hard on... That was some awesome shit...
They claim there was some kind of "solvent" in that stuff... I don't know but they damn sure pulled it from the shelves. My buddy that owned the gym was even served with a warrant to search his home to be sure none of it was stashed anywhere... Stuff tasted fukkin' nasty, but chase it with some orange juice and you were good to go... Nothing, and I mean nothing in my entire life was as good of a "legal" aphrodisiac as that...
I think they call that stuff Cocaine!!!!!!!!!:jawdrop: :D :D

djunkie
09-21-2007, 01:00 PM
Apparently you and djunkie must have tag teamed her...
Hey I went first. :mad: :D :D

Mrs.Killer
09-21-2007, 01:04 PM
It must suck to not be able to get your junk hard in ten mintues...
What man would not want to hit it twice......

Jyruiz
09-21-2007, 01:06 PM
IMO this is not a guy thing, if the girl wants it up again, then get to work bitch.:D
Lol.:D

WestTNRiverRat
09-21-2007, 01:08 PM
It must suck to not be able to get your junk hard in ten mintues...
What man would not want to hit it twice......
Ain't no man hittin my junk once, much less twice. :D :D

ratso
09-21-2007, 01:19 PM
It must suck to not be able to get your junk hard in ten mintues...
What man would not want to hit it twice......
Depends on who it is... Some chicks I've brought home, once was more than enough.:jawdrop:

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 01:24 PM
Can't you just replace the batteries?:confused:
:D :D :D :D
I placed BOB back in the nightstand, considering I have a live, breathing man in my bed (on a semi-regular basis) after a few LONG months of celebacy. But perhaps the threat of whippin' him out again will speed up the down time....or at least make it a little more tolerable

mark49
09-21-2007, 01:30 PM
Boy I’m ashamed of you guys, it takes me like 5 minutes to recharge, and if you talk dirty to me I’m good in less then 2 minutes :D

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 01:36 PM
Boy I’m ashamed of you guys, it takes me like 5 minutes to recharge, and if you talk dirty to me I’m good in less then 2 minutes :D
"filth, muck, mmmmm oh yeah, unclean, foulness, oohhh baby right there.....defiled, nasty, begrimed, uncleanly, Ohhhhh my god...loathsome, sully, mire, soooo phockin hot.....ozze, silt, muddy"
Like that? Dirty enough?

thumbs
09-21-2007, 01:41 PM
At 39 years old I need about 2 hours, ESPN's sports center and a sandwich between rounds then I'm good to go gain. When I was in my 20's all I needed was the sandwich.

Baja Big Dog
09-21-2007, 01:42 PM
what is this powder we are talking about:confused: :confused:
Dentists used to use it in the old days to numb your teeth!!!:D

bocco
09-21-2007, 01:52 PM
I placed BOB back in the nightstand, considering I have a live, breathing man in my bed (on a semi-regular basis) after a few LONG months of celebacy. But perhaps the threat of whippin' him out again will speed up the down time....or at least make it a little more tolerable
I call that half time entertainment. Pull out the toys while I take a breather.

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 02:02 PM
At 39 years old I need about 2 hours, ESPN's sports center and a sandwich between rounds then I'm good to go gain. When I was in my 20's all I needed was the sandwich.
I've got Sports Center dialed in on the plasma mounted in my freakin' bedroom. I think I'll go ahead and construct the Subway in there now like I planned.

HavaSkank
09-21-2007, 02:05 PM
My heart usually gives up before my dick does :)
Rigamortis is hot

spectras only
09-21-2007, 02:06 PM
my last ex wife and I used to go home after going out for drinks on the weekends... We'd screw all night... the only reason we'd stop is to catch our breaths, no recovery time, just keep pounding away at every position imaginable... sometimes I'd finish, sometimes I wouldn't... I'd pass out with a hard on and wake up with a hard on... That was some awesome shit...
Ratso , you got me confused . I thought all your ex wives were lousy , why did you give this one up ? Sounds like you've it made with the last one :idea: :confused: :D

SmokinLowriderSS
09-21-2007, 02:40 PM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
No, it is not too much to ask for, and that is from a guy who is 40.

ratso
09-21-2007, 03:09 PM
Ratso , you got me confused . I thought all your ex wives were lousy , why did you give this one up ? Sounds like you've it made with the last one :idea: :confused: :D
She basically gave me up. I gave it my best shot. If you're referring to the Marriage Grenading thread, I had mentioned those were very condensed versions. As far as sexually, yeah, we had it made... but she was also wanting other things that I couldn't take a chance on at the time... I have to admit, it's still heartwrenching to this day if I dwell on it for too long...:(

BIGJOEDUCKSLAYER
09-21-2007, 03:32 PM
HAVASKANK you just need to suck start it again, aint that how you started it the first time?
BIG JOE SSMF:idea:

vee-driven
09-21-2007, 03:53 PM
So tell me, what's the "normal" refractionary period for most men? Im not talking 18-22 yr old, I mean MEN, like anyone over 35.
Is expecting 'round two' within 10 minutes a bit too much to ask for?
It all depends on what she looks like, if she's ugly, i'd just spit on her back and go home!

MissB
09-21-2007, 08:31 PM
At 39 years old I need about 2 hours, ESPN's sports center and a sandwich between rounds then I'm good to go gain. When I was in my 20's all I needed was the sandwich.
And does "she" have to get up and make the sandwhich?? LMAO
[QUOTE=BIGJOEDUCKSLAYER;2801793]HAVASKANK you just need to suck start it again, aint that how you started it the first time?
OMG that was funny!!
Maybe Thumbs could use this advise to give to his gal, would save him a bunch of time and hassle.
Havaskank, as we get older we just have to understand that the men get.... well lets just say, less playful. Its a cruel trick played on us by mother nature. I say keep bob and the semi naked dude around you'll get your fill....