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topless
09-29-2007, 03:45 AM
You need to watch this video. The REAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8a9kS5sRI&mode=related&search=) pitbulls. You hopefully will have a new found respect for this breed.

YeLLowBoaT
09-29-2007, 04:17 AM
just like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF4vErQq_Gk)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjjcmYwnMiA)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7I18_gQ-lM)
I think you get the idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FUbIAHmG4A)

topless
09-29-2007, 04:31 AM
just like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF4vErQq_Gk)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjjcmYwnMiA)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7I18_gQ-lM)
I think you get the idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FUbIAHmG4A)
Just like some people should not have children, some people should not own pets.

snake321
09-29-2007, 04:52 AM
Half of the pitbulls out there bite
most children don't

Blueoval
09-29-2007, 05:15 AM
You need to watch this video. The REAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8a9kS5sRI&mode=related&search=) pitbulls. You hopefully will have a new found respect for this breed.
DO a search on the German Shepherd, or a Lab, etc.... See what you find??
Worlds two greatest dogs!!!!!
Pits are out lawed is some states for a reason!!! Try and be a home owner and own a pit???
need we say anything more???
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/yukon.jpg

GRUNION
09-29-2007, 06:14 AM
You need to watch this video. The REAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8a9kS5sRI&mode=related&search=) pitbulls. You hopefully will have a new found respect for this breed.
Nice post topless.
Most people will never know how cool the dogs are unless they own them. I have had them since I was a kid and will never own anything else. And for all of the haters why dont you go look at the top 10 on the bite list, you will be suprised at what dogs you find. And no it will not be a pit.

Cheap Thrills
09-29-2007, 06:32 AM
The American Staffordshire aka Pit Bull is an excellent breed on two conditions.
They must not be too closely inbred and they must be raised properly. All dogs have the potential to be Biters or Killers (http://www.funlol.com/funpages/vagina-biting-dog.html).
I have only had one pit out of a dozen that was overly aggressive but it was an abused adult dog when I got it and it was already too late because the dog was ruined by it's previous owner.
T.

Rexone
09-29-2007, 07:42 AM
The American Staffordshire aka Pit Bull is an excellent breed on two conditions.
They must not be too closely inbred and they must be raised properly. All dogs have the potential to be Biters or Killers (http://www.funlol.com/funpages/vagina-biting-dog.html).
I have only had one pit out of a dozen that was overly aggressive but it was an abused adult dog when I got it and it was already too late because the dog was ruined by it's previous owner. T.
Good post CT. Pit haters are generally underinformed or informed by media hype. Any dog can be a killer mistrained and certainly there are indivudual aggressive dogs in ANY breed. Pits are actually a less agressive breed by nature than many other dogs. Mistreated or mistrained they can become lethal only becasue of their physical attributes, NOT because the breed as a whole is agressive. I personally have been around a LOT of dogs including pits. I owned a small lab mix that was bi-polar or something and would take your hand off at times if not controlled. The key is control for the individual dog's personalality and characteristics whether the dog is a poodle or a pit.
Inbreeding, training for tough guy status symbol or fighting are the big issue with pits, rotties, or any other strong dog by nature. I've seen chiwawas do some serious damage. If they were the size and strengh of a pit they would be deadly too. It's the owners not the breeds that are the problem. Like Topless said some people should not own dogs because they have no clue as to how they should be trained or in many cases even that they should be trained. If there are laws or restrictions placed on pits they should be aimed at the owners, not the dogs. Properly trained and bred there are few breeds that will be a more even keeled well balanced dog.
Nothing like a good pit bull thread to get fall started off right on the heals of the union threads. :D

Wmc
09-29-2007, 07:50 AM
Thank you for that Topless. We have owned 3. It is all in the way they are raised. We love our dog! He is part of our family. I also agree with how they are inbred, but that is also true for all dog breeds. :)
The media only reports the bad. My grandfather was a commander for the LA Country Sheriff's department and they used Pitbulls as search and rescue, VICE, etc.

AZJD
09-29-2007, 07:53 AM
Half of the pitbulls out there bite
most children don't
Actually most kids bite!
Pitbulls are animals just the same as each anevery other canine breed. The bully bredds are more capable of causing harm with a bite. It doesn't mean they are more prone to bite.
Read up folks......
In my 32 years I have seen one dog do more biting than any other. The yellow/blonde labs. This is one of the most popular family dogs. My daughter has one. Animals are animals and they are going to bite.
I have had 3 Pits, all good dogs.

Tom Brown
09-29-2007, 07:56 AM
Half of the pitbulls out there bite
most children don't
A child will unclench it's jaw when you punch it in the face.

OutCole'd
09-29-2007, 08:03 AM
A child will unclench it's jaw when you punch it in the face.
And you know this how??:D

Rexone
09-29-2007, 08:06 AM
Actually most kids bite!
The little bastards should definately be outlawed.

Rexone
09-29-2007, 08:07 AM
And you know this how??:D
Because the 2 finger poke to the eyes failed.

Old Texan
09-29-2007, 08:09 AM
just like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF4vErQq_Gk)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjjcmYwnMiA)
and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7I18_gQ-lM)
I think you get the idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FUbIAHmG4A)
All illustrations of where the probelm lies: Loyal dog + Idiot owner= Big Problems
The fat trailer trash lady should be put to sleep not the dog. Hope they didn't get it backwards........

revndave
09-29-2007, 08:15 AM
You need to watch this video. The REAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8a9kS5sRI&mode=related&search=) pitbulls. You hopefully will have a new found respect for this breed.
Whats your point?

topless
09-29-2007, 08:24 AM
Half of the pitbulls out there bite
most children don'tWant to bet?:idea:

Cheap Thrills
09-29-2007, 08:26 AM
Want to bet?:idea:
Obviously he's never spent alot of time raising toddlers :idea:
That's their primary means of defense while your trying to drag their little grubby hand from the cookie jar.
T.

topless
09-29-2007, 08:34 AM
Whats your point?My point is that any breed of dog can bite and attack. Pits get a bad rap because they are strong dogs and very loyal. They will die for you instread of run away. People assume this is because they bad evil dogs. They are just loyal protective ones. It is sad that we stereotype them due to what the media says. My daughters Chihuahua would kill you if he could.

topless
09-29-2007, 08:35 AM
Obviously he's never spent alot of time raising toddlers :idea:
That's their primary means of defense while your trying to drag their little grubby hand from the cookie jar.
T.Sometimes they spit too. Dogs don't spit.:D

repo man
09-29-2007, 08:37 AM
i just got kicked out of the park in norco at my niece's soccer game because the ayso doesn't allow'' those '' dogs at they're events. my dog is a mixed breed that looks like a huge pit . they didn't say anything to the other dog owners there just me . nothing to the guy with the boxer or the guy with the great dane. just me. not the bitch with the ''Paris Hilton ankle biter" that was charging people .just me.

RiverToysJas
09-29-2007, 08:43 AM
Never been a fan of the Pit. I prefer larger dogs.
I do understand dog myths and pregidous though, having been a Rottie owner. AAA doesn't insure my house because of it. :(
RTJas <-- Rottie Guy ;)

repo man
09-29-2007, 08:43 AM
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4857IMGA0172-med.JPG
a dangerous animal

topless
09-29-2007, 08:44 AM
i just got kicked out of the park in norco at my niece's soccer game because the ayso doesn't allow'' those '' dogs at they're events. my dog is a mixed breed that looks like a huge pit . they didn't say anything to the other dog owners there just me . nothing to the guy with the boxer or the guy with the great dane. just me. not the bitch with the ''Paris Hilton ankle biter" that was charging people .just me.Those Fargin Bastages!!!

Cheap Thrills
09-29-2007, 08:47 AM
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4857IMGA0172-med.JPG
a dangerous animal
That looks like a Mastiff. His eyes say I love youuuuu. pet me pet me Oh pleeeease pet me.:D
T.

topless
09-29-2007, 08:52 AM
Here's another great video but turn off your volume if you don't like rap.
More Pit Bull education. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJueekvhRDI&mode=related&search=)

topless
09-29-2007, 08:55 AM
DO a search on the German Shepherd, or a Lab, etc.... See what you find??
Worlds two greatest dogs!!!!!
Pits are out lawed is some states for a reason!!! Try and be a home owner and own a pit???
need we say anything more???
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/yukon.jpgOnly dog I ever got bit by was a German Shepherd. I have owned 2 and loved them but they would bite you in a New York minute if they thought you were going to hurt me or come on to my property. Now I own wuss dogs.

RVRBUM2
09-29-2007, 09:03 AM
i believe any dog that is raised to bite is gonna bite, if it is raised to be a family pet thats what it will be, its not the dog its the stupid ass owner thinkin oh i have a bad ass pitbull

topless
09-29-2007, 09:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1trl1FMUw&mode=related&search=

Wmc
09-29-2007, 09:12 AM
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/medium/2683IMG_0223_2_.JPG

repo man
09-29-2007, 09:21 AM
That looks like a Mastiff. His eyes say I love youuuuu. pet me pet me Oh pleeeease pet me.:D
T.
the ayso doesn't think so.

boatsnblondes
09-29-2007, 10:11 AM
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40163&stc=1&d=1191089468

RVRBUM2
09-29-2007, 10:17 AM
nice video topless thats what im talkin about right there family pets doin what they do best

Cheap Thrills
09-29-2007, 10:20 AM
the ayso doesn't think so.
How unfortunate that the public has labeled the breed. It's all the desire for mayhem and confusion and the need of a subject/scapegoat to place it on.
I bet more people are injured / killed by household appliances than any particular breed or species of animal besides man himself.
T.

topless
09-29-2007, 10:26 AM
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40163&stc=1&d=1191089468And why the need for popcorn?

Cheap Thrills
09-29-2007, 10:27 AM
And why the need for popcorn?
Orval Reddinbachers blew the lid clean off the popper and he felt like sharing I suppose :D
T.

topless
09-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Orval Reddinbachers blew the lid clean off the popper and he felt like sharing I suppose :D
T.That's it!!!!I"m sicking my chiuhaua on you.:mad:

My Man's Sportin' Wood
09-29-2007, 10:42 AM
I just love dogs. Don't really care the breed. My male lab (intact) will not let you in my house unless Jeff or I say, "it's okay." Happened one time when we were out back in the shop and kids were in the house watching a movie. Jeff's business partner (whom the dog knew) walked in the front door, then changed his mind. My female would have just whacked him with her tail :D Dogs are good. It's people that are bad.
When we stayed in that dive in St. George on the way home from Montana in July, I turned the corner to head to the parking lot and on my immediate left there was a staircase going to the 2nd floor. As I walked around that corner, there was a red pit bull about 4-5 steps up (right at my eye level) coming down. Totally scared the crap out of me! Perhaps any large dog would have scared me like that, I don't know. Took a while for my adrenaline levels to go back to normal. The dog seemed nice, but the owner had his ears docked and it was big for a pit and he didn't have it on a leash, so I think he got off a little that people would be intimidated by the dog. It really didn't need a leash because it was very well behaved. But knowing how afraid people are of the breed, I would always have it on a leash in public. What am I saying, my labs are always on a leash in public also. Lots of people are afraid of dogs period. I would not want to be the cause of someone else's fear.
I don't know what I'm really saying here, just rambling I suppose.

topless
09-29-2007, 10:45 AM
I just love dogs. Don't really care the breed. My male lab (intact) will not let you in my house unless Jeff or I say, "it's okay." Happened one time when we were out back in the shop and kids were in the house watching a movie. Jeff's business partner (whom the dog knew) walked in the front door, then changed his mind. My female would have just whacked him with her tail :D Dogs are good. It's people that are bad.
When we stayed in that dive in St. George on the way home from Montana in July, I turned the corner to head to the parking lot and on my immediate left there was a staircase going to the 2nd floor. As I walked around that corner, there was a red pit bull about 4-5 steps up (right at my eye level) coming down. Totally scared the crap out of me! Perhaps any large dog would have scared me like that, I don't know. Took a while for my adrenaline levels to go back to normal. The dog seemed nice, but the owner had his ears docked and it was big for a pit and he didn't have it on a leash, so I think he got off a little that people would be intimidated by the dog. It really didn't need a leash because it was very well behaved. But knowing how afraid people are of the breed, I would always have it on a leash in public. What am I saying, my labs are always on a leash in public also. Lots of people are afraid of dogs period. I would not want to be the cause of someone else's fear.
I don't know what I'm really saying here, just rambling I suppose.Shut up! LOL:D :D

My Man's Sportin' Wood
09-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Shut up! LOL:D :D
No, YOU shut up! :D
I guess what I'm trying to say is, dogs are good, and keep them on a leash in public. :hammer2:

topless
09-29-2007, 10:48 AM
No, YOU shut up! :DMake me.:mad: :D LOL

Rexone
09-29-2007, 10:49 AM
No, YOU shut up! :D
I guess what I'm trying to say is, dogs are dogs, and keep them on a leash in public. :D
Maybe you need to just simmer down now before I take a switch to ya.

topless
09-29-2007, 10:51 AM
Maybe you need to just simmer down now before I take a switch to ya.
You tell her Mike. :D (although switches can be fun):idea:

My Man's Sportin' Wood
09-29-2007, 10:51 AM
Would you all please stop quoting me until I finish re-editing my post?? Jeesh! Guess I should take some of Mrs. Bordmnj's advice. :D And I WON'T simmer!!!!

topless
09-29-2007, 10:52 AM
Would you all please stop quoting me until I finish re-editing my post?? Jeesh! Guess I should take some of Mrs. Bordmnj's advice. :D And I WON'T simmer!!!!Oh, you want the switch huh?:jawdrop:

My Man's Sportin' Wood
09-29-2007, 10:53 AM
Oh, you want the switch huh?:jawdrop:
:devil:

squirt'nmyload
09-29-2007, 07:18 PM
i miss them all :(
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSC01223.jpg
the only thing you had to worry about with her was that she would lick you to death :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSC01222.jpg
its all in how they are raised :)

topless
09-29-2007, 07:31 PM
Meanest dog I ever had was a Pomeranian.

rrrr
09-29-2007, 07:57 PM
I don't know anyhting about pit bulls. Never been around them, although one of my employees has one and he seems like a big ol' goofy lick-yer-face dog.
I have been around dobermans since I was six, and I think they are great family pets. So I guess I can see where some of you are coming from. Familiarity with the breed gives you a lot better insight as to how they behave.
But.........I see stuff like this in the news occasionally. Don't know what to think about it all, but I generally stay away from pits.
Boy had raised pit bull since it was weeks old
Pleasant Grove: Family shocked 'companion' would attack master
12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, September 2, 2007
By JAY PARSONS / The Dallas Morning News
jparsons@dallasnews.com
Six-year-old Scott Warren loved his family's four dogs. But for the last year, one of them had always been special – Tippy, the pit bull Scott raised since his family adopted the dog a year ago when it was 4 weeks old.
About 5:30 p.m. Friday, Scott was lying on his mother's bed watching TV with his 13-year-old sister, Ashley, when Tippy – named for the white tip of his tale – leapt off the floor and attacked his master unprovoked, relatives said.
Ashley screamed, and their mother, Kressie Warren, came running from another room.
"It took her 10 minutes to get the dog off him," said Joe Warren, Scott's grandfather who lives with the family in the 1900 block of Prichard Lane in Pleasant Grove. "What happened to that dog yesterday, I don't know."
Scott died from his injuries Friday evening while en route to Baylor University Medical Center at Dallas.
Relatives and several neighbors said Saturday that Tippy had never shown aggressive behavior.
"That was Scott's dog, his companion," said David Warren, Scott's great-uncle. "He's never had any problems. He loved that dog."
An investigator from Child Protective Services interviewed Scott's mother at length Saturday. CPS spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales said no decision had been made whether to take his sister into state custody.
"We're trying to figure out what happened," she said. "It's a sad, sad case."
Dallas police were investigating the incident as an accidental death, according to a police report.
Dallas animal control officers took Tippy to a shelter on Forney Road. The dog is to be euthanized Monday and then taken to Austin for testing, city officials said.
Friends and family described Scott as an outgoing kid who loved school, sports and conversation.
"He'd walk up to you and start talking, and before you knew it, you'd be walking off with him," Joe Warren said.
Scott was born with a cleft palate and had several surgeries in his short life. That made him a spectator for most organized sports but didn't dampen his love for the games.
"He was limited somewhat in all that, but he didn't let that hold him back," David Warren said. "He was as competitive as any 6-year-old you'll find."
Scott especially loved watching car races at the Devil's Bowl Speedway, a dirt track in Mesquite, his grandfather said.
"He was born on a Wednesday, and he's been going to the races there since the Saturday when he was 3 days old," Joe Warren said. "Everybody knew him. He thought he ran the place out there."
The Warrens and several friends said Saturday that they were upset that a neighbor had told reporters the family's dogs were a nuisance.
"If [Ms. Warren] knew the dog was going to jump on Scott, she wouldn't have had that dog," said Norma Gonzalez, a neighbor who has a daughter Scott's age. "She's a real good mom. She lives for her kids. There are neighbors talking things they don't know as fact."
Ms. Warren has been the PTA president at Hawthorne Elementary, where Scott was a first-grader, according to Ms. Gonzalez and several other friends who gathered at the house Saturday.
CPS officials said they received a complaint in 2004 that Scott and Ashley's father was using drugs, but investigators closed the case after learning he did not live with the family.
The mauling took place a day before a Texas law went into effect that allows police to file felony charges against owners of dogs that seriously injure or kill someone. The law could mean prison time for owners found to be negligent or who have dogs known to be dangerous.
The Warrens said that they were still making funeral arrangements but said that Scott would be buried alongside ancestors in East Texas.
"I'm lost without him," Joe Warren said. "I would never have thought the dog would turn on him like that. Some dogs you can't trust. But this dog, they've been together since he was 4 weeks old."
Staff writer Tanya Eiserer contributed to this report.

HemiDude
09-29-2007, 08:49 PM
Half of the pitbulls out there bite
most children don't
Bull Phockin shit ASS CLOWN. I guess you dont read books or even get on the internet 'cept to post an ASS CLOWN statement like this. Maybe you should do a little studying before breathing....
ASS CLOWN! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stupid ass comments like this really piss me off!:mad:

YeLLowBoaT
09-29-2007, 10:28 PM
Bull Phockin shit ASS CLOWN. I guess you dont read books or even get on the internet 'cept to post an ASS CLOWN statement like this. Maybe you should do a little studying before breathing....
ASS CLOWN! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stupid ass comments like this really piss me off!:mad:
Take a deep breath and step back from the computer.
All dogs bite... it does not matter what the breed, how it was raised, yadda yadda... All dogs can and will bite. Anyone that thinks other wise is a fool.

Rexone
09-30-2007, 01:01 AM
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Dr_Phil.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/dogbite-a.jpg

snake321
09-30-2007, 04:26 AM
Bull Phockin shit ASS CLOWN. I guess you dont read books or even get on the internet 'cept to post an ASS CLOWN statement like this. Maybe you should do a little studying before breathing....
ASS CLOWN! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stupid ass comments like this really piss me off!:mad:
Time for your distemper shot moron...

topless
09-30-2007, 05:28 AM
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Dr_Phil.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/dogbite-a.jpgAwe how cute, opening up for his dental exam.:D

boatsnblondes
09-30-2007, 09:21 AM
Bull Phockin shit ASS CLOWN. I guess you dont read books or even get on the internet 'cept to post an ASS CLOWN statement like this. Maybe you should do a little studying before breathing....
ASS CLOWN! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stupid ass comments like this really piss me off!:mad:
MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH.......:rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40192&stc=1&d=1191172782

Boa1277
09-30-2007, 11:24 AM
Pitbulls love people, in fact they love people so much, that they want to please their owner however they can...This is where the problems start you get certain types of owners that want to have the toughest dog on the street, or you get certain types of owners that need something protected, (like stash houses) so they beat their dogs they give them praise when they growl or go after small game. Thats when you get a pitbull that will without a doubt turn out bad. This is the result of losers that own pitbulls. Also mixing other breeds into a pitbull screw it up, the pure bred pit is a very stable animal it is very smart and can recognize threatening behavior. You mix it with a rot or german shephard and now you have mixed a guard dog with a fighting dog that is breed aggressive and guess what you now have a breed/human aggressive dog...I have owned pitbulls my whole life they are great pets, but again would I ever take a chance? No way my dog is loved way to much to put it into a situation that could turn out bad...Does he love kids? Without a doubt but he also loves to play hard so guess what happens when he knocks a kid to the ground just playing? I now have a killer pitbull that hates children. That is how the majority of todays society views the pitbull. Pitbulls are animals and there are no animals that can be 100% trusted not to bite, not even humans!

Chico&Zeus
09-30-2007, 11:39 AM
I'll post this comment because I am a dog lover......
My dog got attacked by a pit at party cove on laborday weekend at Apache Lake.....My dog did nothing to provoke the attack and in fact was just sitting next to me on the beach. The pit ran across the entire beach and without notice bit my dog in the face puncturing his upper lip. I grabbed the pit by the throat with intent to kill and continued to pummel his face and eyes as hard as I've ever hit anything in my life. Finally the dog let go (due to his windpipe being closed off for so long) and I was in such a rage that if I wasn't held back, I would have killed the dog for sure. I then questioned the crowd who was the owner of the dog.......no one would fess up. Later that day the owner did come over and fessed up that it was his dog. He apoligized and offered to pay for any vet bills. He told me that his dog never "used to" be aggressive but ever since the dog was spade....she has been attacking other dogs quite often. I asked him if he thought it was smart to bring a dog like that to a populated beach and let it run free..........he really had no response. I then asked what he would have to say if it had been a small child that the dog attacked. He just walked away.
In conclusion....I don't blame the breed....the only downfall to pitbulls is that when they bite...it takes more to get them to release. Why did this dog attack? I will never know, but I do know that if someone is aware that their dog....NO MATTER WHAT BREED...is aggressive than please do everyone a favor and control the situation...restrain the animal or please do not involve it with the public. Training is key to raising a dog...not all dogs can be trained but more often than not it's the owners lack of interest or determination to train the animal.
Would I ever own a pit.....no....because I don't care for the breed...should others be allowed to own them...certainly, any dog can be a good dog, the way they are raised is usually the difference between a lover and a killer....seems to be the same with humans :D

phebus
09-30-2007, 11:47 AM
Pitbulls are like wives, as nice as they seem, they can turn on you at any time.
Hell, I got bit last night. :D

Forkin' Crazy
09-30-2007, 12:48 PM
Bull Phockin shit ASS CLOWN. I guess you dont read books or even get on the internet 'cept to post an ASS CLOWN statement like this. Maybe you should do a little studying before breathing....
ASS CLOWN! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stupid ass comments like this really piss me off!:mad:
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repo man
09-30-2007, 12:50 PM
http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2000/dog_kills_baby_los_angeles.html
ban these

repo man
09-30-2007, 12:53 PM
funny , I didn't see this on channel 2 4 5 7 9 and 13 at 5o'clock

Forkin' Crazy
09-30-2007, 12:55 PM
Boy had raised pit bull since it was weeks old
Pleasant Grove: Family shocked 'companion' would attack master
12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, September 2, 2007
By JAY PARSONS / The Dallas Morning News
jparsons@dallasnews.com
Six-year-old Scott Warren loved his family's four dogs. But for the last year, one of them had always been special – Tippy, the pit bull Scott raised since his family adopted the dog a year ago when it was 4 weeks old.
About 5:30 p.m. Friday, Scott was lying on his mother's bed watching TV with his 13-year-old sister, Ashley, when Tippy – named for the white tip of his tale – leapt off the floor and attacked his master unprovoked, relatives said.
I have a friend whose brother was attacked by his own dog (pitbull). If that isn't reason enough, my home owners won't insure me if I have a Mastiff, Doberman, Rot, or Pitbull.
Personally I like Weimaraners. :)

topless
09-30-2007, 12:55 PM
I'll post this comment because I am a dog lover......
My dog got attacked by a pit at party cove on laborday weekend at Apache Lake.....My dog did nothing to provoke the attack and in fact was just sitting next to me on the beach. The pit ran across the entire beach and without notice bit my dog in the face puncturing his upper lip. I grabbed the pit by the throat with intent to kill and continued to pummel his face and eyes as hard as I've ever hit anything in my life. Finally the dog let go (due to his windpipe being closed off for so long) and I was in such a rage that if I wasn't held back, I would have killed the dog for sure. I then questioned the crowd who was the owner of the dog.......no one would fess up. Later that day the owner did come over and fessed up that it was his dog. He apoligized and offered to pay for any vet bills. He told me that his dog never "used to" be aggressive but ever since the dog was spade....she has been attacking other dogs quite often. I asked him if he thought it was smart to bring a dog like that to a populated beach and let it run free..........he really had no response. I then asked what he would have to say if it had been a small child that the dog attacked. He just walked away.
In conclusion....I don't blame the breed....the only downfall to pitbulls is that when they bite...it takes more to get them to release. Why did this dog attack? I will never know, but I do know that if someone is aware that their dog....NO MATTER WHAT BREED...is aggressive than please do everyone a favor and control the situation...restrain the animal or please do not involve it with the public. Training is key to raising a dog...not all dogs can be trained but more often than not it's the owners lack of interest or determination to train the animal.
Would I ever own a pit.....no....because I don't care for the breed...should others be allowed to own them...certainly, any dog can be a good dog, the way they are raised is usually the difference between a lover and a killer....seems to be the same with humans :DVery good post. People need to be responsible for their pets. I too wouldn't own a Pit because I don't have the time. My ankle biter is afraid to go beyond the confines of the back yard and shys away from other dogs (brain damage from her stroke). She is a sweetheat that is a rescue dog who would have been put down had I not adopted her. My lizard on the other hand would swallow you whole if he could.

Forkin' Crazy
09-30-2007, 01:05 PM
My lizard on the other hand would swallow you whole if he could.
You and your lizzzzard.... Gotto love a woman that has a lizard! :jawdrop:
:D :D :D :D :D :D

snake321
09-30-2007, 05:14 PM
I was once had a broad living here that had a 4 foot iguana.
It bit me on the face.....

HEDJUG
10-01-2007, 04:30 AM
I don't care how well you raise em *(see below), a mean streak is a mean streak & a bunch of those dogs are born with one. Yeh, losta dogs bite, some even bite more often. But they bite/nip you, not try to kill you.
Pittbulls, along with a few other breeds, come at you with the intent to kill & the ability do so. No child & most of the adult population don't have the ablity to stop it from happening.
I don't care if some think they are "cute", you are just fooling yourselves.
*
I have rescued & trained two mixed "bad breed" dogs. I got both dogs at 4 weeks old & trained them by the book in a loving envorinment.
Dog #1:
Chesapeake Bay Retirever/Pit Bull mix. A chessie is a type of lab, just bigger & stronger with a tougher spirit. This dog is 120#s of soild muscle & when aroused, can't be controlled by 99% of the population. This dog has "gone off" twice with zero warning. Once on another dog & once on my little girl.
-My 9 month old was playing on the floor with me & the dog was sitting within a few feet of us, as he did everyday for 9 months. This day, he decided to attack my the 9 month old, for no reason. He never got to her, I tackled him. It was all I could do to stop him from getting her & I'm a 275# ex linebacker/heavyweight wrestler. It took me 20+ min to settle that dog down.
This dog is now kept apart from my kids & we are looking for proper home.
Dog #2:
Chow & Lab mix. This dog is sweet, loyal & 100% fine around people & kids, but will try & kill any dog that comes near it. It was trained & raised around all kinds of animals, never hit or beaten, never mistreated. It playes with the cats in the house, the big Pit Mix, no problems. Any other dog will be meat.

Taylor923
10-01-2007, 05:19 AM
Pit bulls can and do snap all the time. Chico, I would have killed the dog then beat the owner to a pulp had that happen to my dog. I don't understand why someone want's a dog like that, especially people with children. Yes, I am a pit bull hater, I also don't think much of their owners!

Run_em_Hard
10-01-2007, 07:54 AM
My wife is a vet tech and is very involved with surgerys and other such items. She likes to share all her stories and battle scars from each day. One animal (there are a few) that I have never heard her complain about is Pit's. She says how most that come into the clinic are some of the sweetest dogs. Some people here would be surprised which dogs are the worst, but I don't want to start a war here. Whenever I go into the clinic I always go where the dogs are boarded and there are a few choice breeds that are the most agressive to me, not Pits.
I personally would not own a pit due to the fact that most homeowner insurance companies charge more if you own a Pit.

AirtimeLavey
10-01-2007, 08:50 AM
While other types of dogs (and pets) may bite, the problem is that PBs do much more damage. I think that's why people are so afraid of them. I agree it's all about the owners, but unfortunately, some bad owners are ruining it for the good owners. They've been bred in many ways that can make them unpredictable. Here's some info on why other countries and states are legislating against them. Info pulled from Wikipedia...
Pit Bulls and Dog Bite Related Human Fatalities
A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association in September, 2000 reports that in the 20 years studied (1979 to 1998) "Pit-bull type dogs" and Rottweilers were involved in one half of dog bite related fatalities in the US[2]. Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks[3]. This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children." and "They are also notorious for attacking seemingly without warning, a tendency exacerbated by the custom of docking pit bulls' tails so that warning signals are not easily recognized."
[edit] Pit bulls as pets
A champion Pit Bull.In many shelters across the United States, Pit bulls or dogs that appear to be pit bulls comprise a large portion of the shelter's population and may be destroyed due to the stigma associated with the breed (or because of overcrowding). [4]
Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of the breed, there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner's responsibility to be in total control of his dog, and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for pit bull bites. Many attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports.[5]
Regardless of who they are, any owner of a pit bull must train the dog well. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, pit bulls (or any other large breed) can become very dangerous dogs. [6]
I don't care for them, but it's ashame to see some people screw it up for others that do train and care for them properly. It's the knucklehead owners that should pay the price.

River Lynchmob
10-01-2007, 03:41 PM
Nice post topless.
Most people will never know how cool the dogs are unless they own them. I have had them since I was a kid and will never own anything else. And for all of the haters why dont you go look at the top 10 on the bite list, you will be suprised at what dogs you find. And no it will not be a pit.
I dont dislike pit bulls but I did a search for my own curiosity and found the following:
In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:
"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

hotsand65
10-01-2007, 05:54 PM
I was at the grocery store today and the guy behind me has about 10 packs of chicken legs. The cashier asked him about them and he said it was for his dogs. I then, being the nosey person that I am, ask him what kind of dog he has. He says, pit bulls, they eat it raw. That doesn't sound to me like a pet. Am I wrong to assume that his dogs are not pets?:confused:

msc5195
10-02-2007, 08:32 AM
Middleburg Woman Killed By Her 2 Pit Bulls
POSTED: 9:56 am EDT October 2, 2007
UPDATED: 11:50 am EDT October 2, 2007
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MIDDLEBURG, Fla. -- A 42-year-old woman was attacked and killed by her two pit bulls on Tuesday morning at her Middleburg home, according to the Clay County Sheriff's Office.
Tina Marie Cantebury was dead when Clay deputies arrived at the scene in the 2400 block of Cosmos Road, just off county Road 218 West.
Cantebury's son was also attacked by one of the dogs, but was not severely injured. When he called 911, dispatchers could hear the dogs barking in the background.
A resident of the home shot one of the dogs, although it was still alive and lunged at an arriving deputy. The other dog got loose. Clay County deputies tracked down and shot the second dog in a wooded area about an hour later.
"It is a tragic and horrific situation that brings to light the danger of these type of animals," Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler. "These dogs had never bitten a human before, but they did today -- they did turn on their owner."
The dogs were two years old and had been raised since puppies by Cantebury.
Beseler said the dogs were behind a fence that had a beware of dogs sign and the county had never had a complaint at the home.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/14250768/detail.html

Mrs. Bordsmnj
10-02-2007, 08:40 AM
I was at the grocery store today and the guy behind me has about 10 packs of chicken legs. The cashier asked him about them and he said it was for his dogs. I then, being the nosey person that I am, ask him what kind of dog he has. He says, pit bulls, they eat it raw. That doesn't sound to me like a pet. Am I wrong to assume that his dogs are not pets?:confused:
I have heard of a vet recommended diet that includes raw chicken, bones and all. We have some friends that have show dogs and they said its very popular amongst show dog people too. Appearantly the chicken bones are digestable when raw and not harmful.
I just wouldn't feel good about feeding my dogs raw chicken. :confused:

centerhill condor
10-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Pitbulls are like wives, as nice as they seem, they can turn on you at any time.
Hell, I got bit last night. :D
From a man with experience.
I don't care for pits or the piece of crap people that usually own them. They should be banned and all dogs in the USA should be debarked.
Somebody's dog is always barking somewhere and we can't just kill 'em or their owners.
CC

Mrs. Bordsmnj
10-02-2007, 09:23 AM
From a man with experience.
I don't care for pits or the piece of crap people that usually own them. They should be banned and all dogs in the USA should be debarked.
Somebody's dog is always barking somewhere and we can't just kill 'em or their owners.
CC
What a stupid post. :rolleyes:

Cole Trickle
10-02-2007, 09:25 AM
I have been around some very cool Pits.
Very smart and loyal dogs and I don't have the slightest desire to ever own one.
There are way to many choices of good dogs that don't have the ability to harm as quick if something goes bad.
Our family has owned a couple dogs that were ultra loyal never abused yet a little off.
We had a Husky that would have laid down her life for my sister or me. Well trained yet would turn on a neighbor or kill a cat in a heartbeat.(natural instinct)
I owned a Australian Dingo mix that was the sweetest dog in the world. Only problem is she had a thing about people coming in her yard or opening doors. If she came around the corner and you were out the slider you were golden. yet if she was at the door and a stranger tried to cross the threshold she would go ape shit.(We attribute this to her being raised on a large peice of property and kept in a kennel at night....We think coyotes would try and fight her through the fence)
We also had a chow mix that was a complete psycho....Dog was cool with everyone excpet for blonde girls. That dog tried to attack a couple girls that my brother and I used to bring over in Highshool so we had to find her a new home.(We like blondes;):D )

topless
10-02-2007, 09:51 AM
My pomeranian bit my nephew once. All dogs have the ability to bite and the instinct to do so since they are ALL bred down from wolves. If they feel threatened or feel the need to protect, they will do so. My Papillion is retarded so she only feels the need to bark at flies.

Cheap Thrills
10-02-2007, 10:04 AM
From a man with experience.
I don't care for pits or the piece of crap people that usually own them. They should be banned
CC
That statement should accrue you some Offensive points from a few board members.
Way To Go Slick !
T.

topless
10-02-2007, 10:18 AM
That statement should accrue you some Offensive points from a few board members.
Way To Go Slick !
T.What about my Pomeranian???? He bit my nephew once.:eek: :confused:

Ziggy
10-02-2007, 10:25 AM
I consider all dogs nice until they prove otherwise.
.
I neighbor had a pit that could escape at will....everyday it would be out wandering the hood looking all mean and viscious.
I was walking and the damn thing came running at me a full steam!!!!!!!!!! OH SHIT!!!!!!! I was given quite a fright:) .............but all it wanted was to play and be pet. On nearly a daily basis we'd come home to find this pit at our gates trying to get in and play with our dog.......so we obliged and these two dogs were in heaven. When the neighbor came home she'd come down and get her dog......
The two dogs became like best friends....fun to watch.

Cheap Thrills
10-02-2007, 10:26 AM
What about my Pomeranian???? He bit my nephew once.:eek: :confused:
They're evil dogs and should be banned in this country And the owners lashed a hundred times with a wet noodle. :D
T.

DogMan
10-02-2007, 11:04 AM
The APBT is a great breed...thanks for the post Topless. This is something I "know" about. I love the "bull" breeds for the qualities one would only know from owning one(several). Same with the rott, another great breed of dog.:)

Boa1277
10-02-2007, 02:30 PM
A real APBT (not a mixed breed) I am talking a really good bred pit will not bite a human unless he has been taught that is ok by his owner. You know the type that likes to walk around like he has the toughest dog and obviously that makes him tough..That is the type of idiot that gives the dog a bad name. If you read a little about the breed the true pit is the easiest stolen breed there is. You could walk up to my back yard fence and never ever had seen or petted my dog and if you acted like you were happy to see him he would walk right out of the yard licking you the whole time and off you would go with a expensive dog...If you read the papers and remain ignorant to the breed you will make statements like a few have posted here about not liking the dog or the owner because he chooses to own a pit...The bottom line is you will never ever see my dog because I choose to keep him in a enviroment that I can control 100% of the time, I love my dog and am a responsible owner, why take the chance that the dog may bite someone else's dog, (he is breed aggressive) I can guarantee you he would not bite a person but again why take the chance. I chose to purchase this breed of dog and I personally love a well bred pit. The guy that makes the statement that all pits are bad, and all owners are bad is the same guy that walks around thinking he is the tough guy, or the cool guy because he has a tough dog....He is just doing it with something else like the fastest boat or the hottest chick or who the hell knows it is the same mentality.

Dezertrider
10-02-2007, 02:38 PM
Its the people that are hard to train not the dog.

unleashed
10-02-2007, 03:06 PM
I've run into some really good pits over the years and some really bad ones. Unfortunatly if these dogs ever do make a mistake and get aggressive the damage will be severe. My question is why do people want pits so bad?? what makes them so in demand and worth the risk to own???
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vmjtc3
10-02-2007, 03:25 PM
I think pit bulls are great dog's. Its the tattooed head having piece of shit owners who walk around with them , that need to be put down. I am not sure how walking around with no shirt all covered in gang tats dragging around a pit bull makes you cool? Makes me want to show them the underside of my car! Human garbage! The dogs on the other hand can be the best most loyal dog in the world, with proper training.

socalmoney
10-02-2007, 03:49 PM
Not interested in reading 4 pages on this but all I can say is.
THE TYPE EFFECT USED IN THAT VIDEO SUCKED!!!!!!!
If that was already stated I apologize.
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Charley
10-02-2007, 04:47 PM
I have never had a better dog than my Staffordshire bull Terrier "Sparky"... he is awesome with the kids, freindly, fun, and when my wife got in an altercation about a year ago "Sparky" was on the agressor like white on Rice.... granted staffs aren't Pits but they are a related breed and I am a firm believer that it's how you raise the dog....
It seems as if the Pit Bull Breed along with the Oakland Raiders seem to be magnets for the unruly :D
This is sparky
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/jens_digital_0541.jpg

Chico&Zeus
10-02-2007, 04:58 PM
Chico, I would have killed the dog then beat the owner to a pulp had that happen to my dog.
Trust me....if I had it to do over again, instead of punching the dog....I would have picked up one of the nice river rocks scattered along the beach and cracked that fukers head like an egg........the owners too :D

repo man
10-02-2007, 05:13 PM
From a man with experience.
I don't care for pits or the piece of crap people that usually own them. They should be banned and all dogs in the USA should be debarked.
Somebody's dog is always barking somewhere and we can't just kill 'em or their owners.
CC
I hate ignorant toothless sister focking rednecks and think they should be banned. too bad you can't kill all of them. put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it billy joe

iRepo
10-02-2007, 05:31 PM
Yeah, all dogs can bite. What is not being addressed is how the dogs are bred. Talk to someone who works dogs, like Ringsport, Schutzhund, etc. They won't just take any dog. They go to great lengths to find dogs from strong working lines that have proven themselves in the field. The dogs are bred to do a job. As long as the pitbull is the preferred breed for dog fighting these attributes are going to be passed along and they will end up in peoples homes. These dogs are going to have a strong drive to do what they have been bred to do. I am certainly not a hater. I really do love the breed, but as long as people will buy a Pit from a friend of a friend and so on, while ignoring breeders who are really in it for the love of Pits, I don't think there is much hope for a better reputation.

Boa1277
10-03-2007, 02:32 PM
Yeah, all dogs can bite. What is not being addressed is how the dogs are bred. Talk to someone who works dogs, like Ringsport, Schutzhund, etc. They won't just take any dog. They go to great lengths to find dogs from strong working lines that have proven themselves in the field. The dogs are bred to do a job. As long as the pitbull is the preferred breed for dog fighting these attributes are going to be passed along and they will end up in peoples homes. These dogs are going to have a strong drive to do what they have been bred to do. I am certainly not a hater. I really do love the breed, but as long as people will buy a Pit from a friend of a friend and so on, while ignoring breeders who are really in it for the love of Pits, I don't think there is much hope for a better reputation.
Yes finally someone who is understanding the big picture. A well bred pit and someone who really understands the breed will never ever have a problem with this dog. The owner will excercise and also dominate the dog so the dog doesnt think he is the pack leader and will never ever have a problem. A really good bred pit is the funnest smartest and absolutely the most loyal dog you can own. But again remember what he is. He is a working breed that takes tons of excercise and a owner that know how to handle him and wont just ignore him in the backyard. This owner will also show the dog he is pack leader and the dog will not get away with anything. Also the dog is breed aggressive period but it is up to this owner to control the enviroment and never take the chance of this dog hurting someone elses dog ever. People love their dogs in fact alot of people think their dog is part of their family which is true in my case, I personally would never ever want something I was responsible for to hurt anyones family. It is all in the owner and the breeder buy a well bred dog and read about how to take care of this dog and you will have a very happy dog and a very happy owner.

RiverDave
10-03-2007, 02:42 PM
So long as the dog "truly" views you as the pack leader then you should not have any dog on dog aggression problems regardless if it's a bully breed or not.
Not claiming that I've solved that riddle yet with my own mutt, but many others have.
On a side note an interesting video..
Pitbull raises baby chicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2OC5Z1Fii8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDk3FPZLzA4&mode=related&search=
2 months later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB14-uwYXfA&mode=related&search=
Yet people on here would say that dog should be put to sleep becuaes it looks a certain way? WTF? LOL.. People are looney tunes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNicN-o1VyA&mode=related&search=
RD

RiverDave
10-03-2007, 03:21 PM
Wiener Dogs scare the shit out of me.. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkyyFfa7KeU&mode=related&search=
RD

brianthomas
10-03-2007, 03:31 PM
Yes finally someone who is understanding the big picture. A well bred pit and someone who really understands the breed will never ever have a problem with this dog. The owner will excercise and also dominate the dog so the dog doesnt think he is the pack leader and will never ever have a problem. A really good bred pit is the funnest smartest and absolutely the most loyal dog you can own. But again remember what he is. He is a working breed that takes tons of excercise and a owner that know how to handle him and wont just ignore him in the backyard. This owner will also show the dog he is pack leader and the dog will not get away with anything. Also the dog is breed aggressive period but it is up to this owner to control the enviroment and never take the chance of this dog hurting someone elses dog ever. People love their dogs in fact alot of people think their dog is part of their family which is true in my case, I personally would never ever want something I was responsible for to hurt anyones family. It is all in the owner and the breeder buy a well bred dog and read about how to take care of this dog and you will have a very happy dog and a very happy owner.
This is also the owner you hear about over and over saying gee,,,, I'd a never guessed he'd a killed that little kid over there. Don't even say it does not happen. Yep, it's just the breed.
With so many great breeds to choose from, why risk it with one of these pit things?????????????????????

RiverDave
10-03-2007, 04:00 PM
Brian I can answer your question if you like.. The question is, do you really want to know the answer and accept it for what it is? Or have you already made up your mind before you asked the question?
RD

RiverDave
10-03-2007, 04:01 PM
If more dogs would behave like a well brought up Pit, the world would be a better and safer place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY9Z5ub9xw&mode=related&search=
RD

brianthomas
10-03-2007, 04:18 PM
If more dogs would behave like a well brought up Pit, the world would be a better and safer place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY9Z5ub9xw&mode=related&search=
RD
I know a way to make it even safer!;)
RD, I am a dog lover and have always had Labs. One was a male and he was terribly hard headed but certainly friendly. The others have all been females, every last one a big pussy. The first two females died this past January, one was 13 and the other 4. They both had problems but the damn Chinese caned dog food did them in. I now have a two year old female that is at the vet today to be spayed. She is so laid back and easy going it is almost embarasing. If a friend or stranger approaches her she flops instantly onto her back to get her belly scratched. At 55 lbs she is small, even for a Lab.
I know a fair amount about dogs but other than the extremely rare case of protection, why risk owning a breed like a pit?

iRepo
10-03-2007, 07:36 PM
I know a way to make it even safer!;)
RD, I am a dog lover and have always had Labs. One was a male and he was terribly hard headed but certainly friendly. The others have all been females, every last one a big pussy. The first two females died this past January, one was 13 and the other 4. They both had problems but the damn Chinese caned dog food did them in. I now have a two year old female that is at the vet today to be spayed. She is so laid back and easy going it is almost embarasing. If a friend or stranger approaches her she flops instantly onto her back to get her belly scratched. At 55 lbs she is small, even for a Lab.
I know a fair amount about dogs but other than the extremely rare case of protection, why risk owning a breed like a pit?
Why own a small boat with way too much horsepower?

topless
10-04-2007, 01:41 AM
Why own a small boat with way too much horsepower?Why own a DCB that spins out in the reeds? I think that is the real question.

brianthomas
10-04-2007, 04:58 AM
Why own a small boat with way too much horsepower?
Hell, I own a big boat with too little horsepower! At 26,000 lbs. wet she is a little sluggish even with 496s.

Boa1277
10-04-2007, 11:56 AM
Again, no one tells you what to own and like I said before you will never see my dog and it will never see you so why do you care. There are alot of breeds that bite more people than the pit so ask them why they own that breed that bites all the people. I am pretty sure Labs bite humans the most..But you dont here me saying why why own a human biting lab...To each his own and thats why I live in America..by the way if my pit bit a human I would have it put to sleep! Could you say the same?

brianthomas
10-04-2007, 12:55 PM
Again, no one tells you what to own and like I said before you will never see my dog and it will never see you so why do you care. There are alot of breeds that bite more people than the pit so ask them why they own that breed that bites all the people. I am pretty sure Labs bite humans the most..But you dont here me saying why why own a human biting lab...To each his own and thats why I live in America..by the way if my pit bit a human I would have it put to sleep! Could you say the same?
How about putting it to sleep BEFORE it bites that human???/ Oh, I didn't really say that.;) My boat won't bite anything but my wallet when the fuel tank is empty. It is in no way dangerous to other people. Your pit may not be either but MANY others are. If everyone is so sure their pit won't bite anyone then why not carry a million dollar insurance policy on all pits that is awarded to the first person they bite? Too expensive? Wonder why?
Really I'm just pulling your chain, as long as nobody I care about and no children anywhere are within strike distance of one I would be fine with them.

RiverDave
10-04-2007, 03:17 PM
I know a way to make it even safer!;)
RD, I am a dog lover and have always had Labs. One was a male and he was terribly hard headed but certainly friendly. The others have all been females, every last one a big pussy. The first two females died this past January, one was 13 and the other 4. They both had problems but the damn Chinese caned dog food did them in. I now have a two year old female that is at the vet today to be spayed. She is so laid back and easy going it is almost embarasing. If a friend or stranger approaches her she flops instantly onto her back to get her belly scratched. At 55 lbs she is small, even for a Lab.
I know a fair amount about dogs but other than the extremely rare case of protection, why risk owning a breed like a pit?
Brian without a doubt these conversations always end up in a confrontational because in most cases the other side (you in this case) already has their mind made up becuase of information already recieved (media) and what you've come to know over the years. I.E. Pitbull might look like a scary looking dog to you? Or not?
Instead of just slamming you with a bunch of facts that would try to prove my point, and debating them back and forth with other stats etc.. I figure I will try to take a different route here, and while it might a long shot, maybe you'll come around to see the other side of the fence even if for just a minute.
You asked an obvious question of Why risk owning a breed like a pit?
The most obvious answer to that factually is, why would you risk owning anything else? Pitbulls statistically have proven time and time again to have one of the best tempermants of all the breeds of dogs. That starts to go down the "fact" road though so I'll change directions.
The reason that I would choose to own a pitbull over most other breeds of dogs is very simple. "Pure Bred" Pitbulls have an undieing need that's rivaled by no other breed to please their owners. What that basically means is that dog is going to be the absolute "best" of it's natural abillities in whatever you ask it to do! Most people relate that trait to fighting, what they don't realize is the dogs are just doing what they are TOLD to do, or brought up to do! That same trait that makes them a great "fight dog" is also what makes them a GREAT family dog! Not the muscles, strong jaws, "gameness" etc.. The absolute engrained to the chord need to Love an owner so much that they will do anything to please them.
This trait carries over to Loving their owners, obediance, hell even fetching a stick until your arm falls off, but the dog will never waiver one bit if it can physically help it. The dog will be the absolute "best" that it can with whatever YOU (the owner) want it to do.
Other breeds of dogs have their own traits, some are very independant, some have great personallities, most fullfill a certain appearance trait that their owners are looking for, but none.. I'll say it again NONE will serve to please their owners to the lengths a Pitbull will. They are bar none the most loyal, loving animals on gods green earth. Sounds kinda weird right? That is the reason for myself anyways (and most others if I had to guess) would choose to own one.
Next Question.
RD

HemiDude
10-04-2007, 03:21 PM
If more dogs would behave like a well brought up Pit, the world would be a better and safer place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY9Z5ub9xw&mode=related&search=
RD
BINGO RD!
Substitute the above word dog with "people" and bingo you just solved the dog problem along with many other problems!:idea:

RiverDave
10-04-2007, 03:36 PM
Brian instead of showing you all the Anti BSL videos, and the Cry for me Pitbull videos.. I'd like to show you just a sample of some of that undieing willingness to please..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNicN-o1VyA
You can skip the beginning but do yourself a favor and watch it to the end, Wallace is a rescue dog the guy had for 2 years..
When it flat comes down to obedieance, training, loyalty and most importantly love of owner there is no other breed that can even remotely compete with a pitbull.
RD

Nord
10-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Brian instead of showing you all the Anti BSL videos, and the Cry for me Pitbull videos.. I'd like to show you just a sample of some of that undieing willingness to please..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNicN-o1VyA
You can skip the beginning but do yourself a favor and watch it to the end, Wallace is a rescue dog the guy had for 2 years..
When it flat comes down to obedieance, training, loyalty and most importantly love of owner there is no other breed that can even remotely compete with a pitbull.
RD
Respect the Doxie...................

brianthomas
10-04-2007, 07:16 PM
Brian without a doubt these conversations always end up in a confrontational because in most cases the other side (you in this case) already has their mind made up becuase of information already recieved (media) and what you've come to know over the years. I.E. Pitbull might look like a scary looking dog to you? Or not?
Instead of just slamming you with a bunch of facts that would try to prove my point, and debating them back and forth with other stats etc.. I figure I will try to take a different route here, and while it might a long shot, maybe you'll come around to see the other side of the fence even if for just a minute.
You asked an obvious question of Why risk owning a breed like a pit?
The most obvious answer to that factually is, why would you risk owning anything else? Pitbulls statistically have proven time and time again to have one of the best tempermants of all the breeds of dogs. That starts to go down the "fact" road though so I'll change directions.
The reason that I would choose to own a pitbull over most other breeds of dogs is very simple. "Pure Bred" Pitbulls have an undieing need that's rivaled by no other breed to please their owners. What that basically means is that dog is going to be the absolute "best" of it's natural abillities in whatever you ask it to do! Most people relate that trait to fighting, what they don't realize is the dogs are just doing what they are TOLD to do, or brought up to do! That same trait that makes them a great "fight dog" is also what makes them a GREAT family dog! Not the muscles, strong jaws, "gameness" etc.. The absolute engrained to the chord need to Love an owner so much that they will do anything to please them.
This trait carries over to Loving their owners, obediance, hell even fetching a stick until your arm falls off, but the dog will never waiver one bit if it can physically help it. The dog will be the absolute "best" that it can with whatever YOU (the owner) want it to do.
Other breeds of dogs have their own traits, some are very independant, some have great personallities, most fullfill a certain appearance trait that their owners are looking for, but none.. I'll say it again NONE will serve to please their owners to the lengths a Pitbull will. They are bar none the most loyal, loving animals on gods green earth. Sounds kinda weird right? That is the reason for myself anyways (and most others if I had to guess) would choose to own one.
Next Question.
RD
Dagnamit RD, stop making so much sense. I have really enjoyed my distaste for pits due to local stories of the things being great dogs and suddenly going off on some poor unsuspecting jogger. I agree it is rare but I live in the midwest. Things are calm and conservative here. We all have 2.3 kids along with a blond wife with natural boobies and the obligatory yellow lab.
The community I live in has a population of 400,000 for the entire metro area. We do have some racial problems but it is almost always against each other. It does bother me though to see the young minority male walking a puppy pit on a log chain using a master lock to secure it aroung his neck. This whole senario just does not strike me as being quite up to what our society is about. Afterall, I picked up my young yellow lab today from the vet after having her spayed and will go to the office till noon tomorrow. Then I will drive the 15 minutes through little to no traffic to the marina where the lab, "Mozee" and I will wash the 38' Silverton Convertible top to bottom and put the 14' Zodiac with a 50hp 4 stroke outboard into the water and have a few beers waiting for my wife and two children to show up. We will then head out to our favorite spot to anchor out till Sunday afternoon. This is the simple life I lead with boating every weekend, 7 months out of the year. This is all why when I hear of pit bulls, tweakers, race problems and other highly populated area problems that I only read and hear about, it sounds down right scarry. My life is a little simpler.
Yep, it is a simple life. Two kids, boy 12 and girl 8, both blond and blue eyes. Six foot tall (she says 5' 12") blond wife, good exec. job with small manufacturing company and just over a six figure income where a beautiful new house costs $250k. It does get cold here so the boat is on the hard for 5 months but it is home.
I enjoy the banter with you people, especially the smart ones.

3 daytona`s
10-04-2007, 07:23 PM
DO a search on the German Shepherd, or a Lab, etc.... See what you find??
Worlds two greatest dogs!!!!!
Pits are out lawed is some states for a reason!!! Try and be a home owner and own a pit???
need we say anything more???
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/yukon.jpg
German Shepards are so wonderful,my cousin`s son was malled by a Pit Bull had been a long time pet that snapped. I can not believe they restrained themselves. I promise if a Pit would ever harm a family member of mine it is TOAST and if the owner wants some of that come on. They are not pets and do not deserve to be in society. I have no problem if wish to take out to your ranch away from us cool.I do not want them around where we need to worry if they may "SNAP" :mad:

brianthomas
10-04-2007, 07:26 PM
German Shepards are so wonderful,my cousin`s son was malled by a Pit Bull had been a long time pet that snapped. I can not believe they restrained themselves. I promise if a Pit would ever harm a family member of mine it is TOAST and if the owner wants some of that come on. They are not pets and do not deserve to be in society. I have no problem if wish to take out to your ranch away from us cool.I do not want them around where we need to worry if they may "SNAP" :mad:
I do believe in "one bite and dead" for any dog, any breed.

3 daytona`s
10-04-2007, 07:38 PM
I do believe in "one bite and dead" for any dog, any breed.
This was not a bite in our case,there were 200+ stitches numerous reconstructive procedures,trauma I could go on for hours the change in a young persons life for ever.All because a someone felt the need to have a dangerous creature as a "PET",on a chain no less which has proven to make more mean.Then one day this killing machine got loose and so many lives have been changed for ever.

iRepo
10-04-2007, 08:25 PM
Damn, I love dogs. All breeds. Pits included. However, I find it ignorant to say that it has everything to do with how the dog is raised. Breeding has quite a bit to do with it. Pits are so overly popular with street breeders that there are far too many that will "snap" as everyone likes to put it. Move on to a breed that is not as street popular such as the German Shepherd. There are show lines, and their are working lines. (Pet lines too) Has anyone here ever been around a Shepherd from a working line. All I can say is WOW. This dogs are freaken off the hook. They are truly amazing. No matter how hard you try to get a show Shepherd to work like a true working Shepherd it just isn't the same. They have been bred to be pretty for so long that they just don't have IT. If you are lucky enough to get one that has both, you may have a dog worth over 30k. Too many pits have IT. They have the drive. They are culled by the fighters, the winners are producing offspring. The best of the litter is sent off to fight, the brothers and sisters are sent to the neighborhoods. This is were the "I never knew" comes into play. Thanks to Vick the public is becoming very aware of this. So, let's get rid of the fighting and start breeding the pits for show, pulling competitions, etc.

HemiDude
10-04-2007, 08:30 PM
Dagnamit RD, stop making so much sense. I have really enjoyed my distaste for pits due to local stories of the things being great dogs and suddenly going off on some poor unsuspecting jogger. I agree it is rare but I live in the midwest. Things are calm and conservative here. We all have 2.3 kids along with a blond wife with natural boobies and the obligatory yellow lab.
The community I live in has a population of 400,000 for the entire metro area. We do have some racial problems but it is almost always against each other. It does bother me though to see the young minority male walking a puppy pit on a log chain using a master lock to secure it aroung his neck. This whole senario just does not strike me as being quite up to what our society is about. Afterall, I picked up my young yellow lab today from the vet after having her spayed and will go to the office till noon tomorrow. Then I will drive the 15 minutes through little to no traffic to the marina where the lab, "Mozee" and I will wash the 38' Silverton Convertible top to bottom and put the 14' Zodiac with a 50hp 4 stroke outboard into the water and have a few beers waiting for my wife and two children to show up. We will then head out to our favorite spot to anchor out till Sunday afternoon. This is the simple life I lead with boating every weekend, 7 months out of the year. This is all why when I hear of pit bulls, tweakers, race problems and other highly populated area problems that I only read and hear about, it sounds down right scarry. My life is a little simpler.
Yep, it is a simple life. Two kids, boy 12 and girl 8, both blond and blue eyes. Six foot tall (she says 5' 12") blond wife, good exec. job with small manufacturing company and just over a six figure income where a beautiful new house costs $250k. It does get cold here so the boat is on the hard for 5 months but it is home.
I enjoy the banter with you people, especially the smart ones.
And your point is....?????:rolleyes:

Tom Brown
10-04-2007, 09:38 PM
I find it ignorant to say that it has everything to do with how the dog is raised. Breeding has quite a bit to do with it.
Indeed.
...let's get rid of the fighting and start breeding the pits for show, pulling competitions, etc.
:cool:
Let's say you lived next door to an old man. Perhaps this man is very nice, much of the time, but occasionally snaps.
Would you mind if that old man owned a BB gun?
What if he owned a 50 caliber machine gun?
The point is, if a chi hua hua snaps and starts biting people, the dog isn't likely to hurt anyone and the dog can be easily handled. If a pit bull goes ape shit, the people who survive the brief moment of knine insanity will have to deal with the dog using a gun.
I'm not going to live my life being careful to not make any sudden moves. Fock that.
If you have a powerful dog of any breed, you need to control it. Sure, this creates an imbalance in which small dogs get more freedom than big dogs but people have a right to safety.

riverbound
10-04-2007, 09:53 PM
This was not a bite in our case,there were 200+ stitches numerous reconstructive procedures,trauma I could go on for hours the change in a young persons life for ever.All because a someone felt the need to have a dangerous creature as a "PET",on a chain no less which has proven to make more mean.Then one day this killing machine got loose and so many lives have been changed for ever.
so if I read your post correctly......the dog was NOT raised properly hence making it a mean animal. ANY dog that is chained and I mean ANY, will have a tendancy to be less social and will be more prone to "snapping".
Again as a person who has owend several of these "killing machine" type dogs. Boxers, pits (and pit relaitves), dobies, Rotties,shepards, etc.. The only time I saw a dog EVER get out of line was once my rottie growled at my son when he jumped on her back (she has very bad arthritis) and was hurt, but never even thought of snapping or biting. I took her outside yeled at her, and that was the last time she ever did anyhting of that sort,,,,for years after that my sons would play with her and jump on her repeatedly. when she had enough she would come up to me and ask to be let out. Its all about the training. My 2 rotties were 120+ lbs each and they would sit out front with me on no leash and never leave the front yard. If they did venture a house or 2 down they would imediately come back as soon as they realized they werent supposed to be there. the pits I had were exactly the same, they were more prone to just laying around wherever I was and had no desire to go "adventuring". I did have my fair share of Crazy irrational people come up to me and tell me to put my dogs away, Even had a crazy bitch call the cops and reported 2 giant "attack dogs" roming the neighborhood. The cops showed up and both dogs were laying on the grass. got up licked the cops and then went back to their spots in the grass. the cops looked at me and laughed and went on with their day.

riverbound
10-04-2007, 09:58 PM
Indeed.
:cool:
Let's say you lived next door to an old man. Perhaps this man is very nice, much of the time, but occasionally snaps.
Would you mind if that old man owned a BB gun?
What if he owned a 50 caliber machine gun?
The point is, if a chi hua hua snaps and starts biting people, the dog isn't likely to hurt anyone and the dog can be easily handled. If a pit bull goes ape shit, the people who survive the brief moment of knine insanity will have to deal with the dog using a gun.
I'm not going to live my life being careful to not make any sudden moves. Fock that.
If you have a powerful dog of any breed, you need to control it. Sure, this creates an imbalance in which small dogs get more freedom than big dogs but people have a right to safety.
tom,
I agree with you 100% anytime my dogs were out in public (dog beach, at the sand bars at the river, etc...) they were ALWAYS chained or on a leash. for no other reason than to make other people feel more comfortable. with their presence. My dogs never needed it, but I took into consideration other peoples fears and stereotypes. the ic eting was, upon leaving the sandbars, my collers were always full, becuase noone would go near he boat to grab a beer... my rotties loved ice cubes and would lick you to death if you didnt give them one out of the cooler. :D
My 5lb chihuahua/pug mix on the other hand is the most aggresive dog I have ever owned and that lil bitch is never on a leash. people dont fear her 8lbs of fury. IMO she is more dangerous to a small child than my rotties and pits EVER were.

riverbound
10-04-2007, 10:00 PM
I also agree to an extent with the point brought up regarding the breeding. I have always spent time with both parents to see their personalities prior to purchaisng a large breed dog, if the parents were sketchy and on edge I would not even look at the litter. if the dogs were more of a breeding/money maker. thats anther red flag to me. I prefer to see dogs that are truly part of the family versus locked up and in kennels and unsocial.

boatsnblondes
10-04-2007, 10:07 PM
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HM
10-04-2007, 10:10 PM
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iRepo
10-05-2007, 06:43 AM
If you have a powerful dog of any breed, you need to control it. Sure, this creates an imbalance in which small dogs get more freedom than big dogs but people have a right to safety.
Completely agree. You don't see working Shepherds in your average household. They are with people who are training them for competition. My point is that your average pet owner is truly clueless about what they really have when it comes to pits. Your average pet owner has no idea what it means to own a dog with that type of drive. I am not a person willing to take a stand against people who can be responsible owners of this breed, that's a freedom I do not wish to see taken away. I really wanted to point out that no matter how well you raise a Pit, a pit with a fighting drive will fight when it kicks in. They are not fit for pet homes, but working homes, with TRAINED owners.

BadKachina
10-05-2007, 07:22 AM
Ive never had any pits but I've had friends with them and for the most part they seem to be really loyal, loving dogs. But, as others have said, if for that one instant, that dog decides to bite someone, someone is getting f-d up. How could I leave my kids or thier friends alone with a dog that's capable of that? What happens if that dog gets out of my yard? For me it's just too much liability. I personally wouldn't want the resposibility of owning one, nor would I want to live next door to one either.

02HoWaRd26
10-05-2007, 07:47 AM
These are always the stupiest topics you guys need to relize it is the owners look at that piece of shit DMX, or that fu$king pile of wasted life Mike Vick, they need taken out and shot not the dogs, oh and it is a hate crime cause the people are outraged it is not because they were killing animals but because they were black, well you know what if it were not for famous people doing it it shows to be a sport to the other idiots that have nothing so they train their dogs to be that way. I have 2 pits that sleep in bed with us almost EVERy night and they would not hurt a fly literally they just stare at them...

02HoWaRd26
10-05-2007, 07:50 AM
This was written to the head of the NAACP in Atlanta on the Michael Vick affair.
I love it when a white guy can gently yet logolically put things into perspective.
Saturday, August 18, 2007
An Open Letter To The Atlanta Chapter of the NAACP
Dear Dr. R L White, Head of the Atlanta Chapter of the NAACP,
My name is Mike. I am 27, and I am neither a member of your
organization nor a resident of Atlanta. Normally I wouldn't bother you,
but then I came across this article, and it compelled me to write.
Since I am white, I am going to tread carefully, so as not to offend your
gentle sensibilities . But, Dr. White, you are a dumb ****.
Speaking for white people everywhere, let me fill you in on
something. This case was not a race issue. It was about killing dogs.
And if there is one thing people don't stand for, regardless of race,
it's killing dogs.
You comp ared it to deer hunting. Again, Dr. White,
you are a dumb ****. When was the last time a deer greeted you at the
door when you got home from work? Or curled up next to you and gently
nuzzled in to take a nap? Dogs are pets, you moron.
They aren't meant to be killed for sport. The failure to make this distinction
only makes you look stupider.
Sorry, I lost my temper there.
Here's the thing, Dr. White. The reason people were outraged
by this was because he killed dogs. If Ben Roethlisberger or Brett Favre
had done it, the reaction would have been the same, I guarantee you. The
difference is, had Ben Roethlisberger or Brett Favre done this, you
wouldn't see white supporters rallying behind them, proclaiming he was
innocent in the face of mountains of damning evidence, supporting him
regardless of the outcome. Let me let you in on a secret about white
people; when one of our own makes us look bad, we condemn him and
disow n them. I suggest you adopt a similar policy. If your group's mission is
truly to advance "colored" people (your word, not mine) you'd
disassociate from the idiots in your race. It can't go wrong, trust me.
Anyway, Dr. White, I don't want this to come off as racist,
because it isn't. Michael Vick is a despicable person who happens to be
black. The sooner you realize that, the less of a dumb **** you'll look
like.
Sincerely,
Mike

riverbound
10-05-2007, 07:51 AM
These are always the stupiest topics you guys need to relize it is the owners look at that piece of shit DMX, or that fu$king pile of wasted life Mike Vick, they need taken out and shot not the dogs, oh and it is a hate crime cause the people are outraged it is not because they were killing animals but because they were black, well you know what if it were not for famous people doing it it shows to be a sport to the other idiots that have nothing so they train their dogs to be that way. I have 2 pits that sleep in bed with us almost EVERy night and they would not hurt a fly literally they just stare at them...
mine used to actually catch flies. I trained them to "get the bug" and they would go get whatever bug was in the room. the Ex loved it becasue if there was a spider in the house she would send the dog to go get it ;)

02HoWaRd26
10-05-2007, 07:58 AM
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02HoWaRd26
10-05-2007, 08:01 AM
mine used to actually catch flies. I trained them to "get the bug" and they would go get whatever bug was in the room. the Ex loved it becasue if there was a spider in the house she would send the dog to go get it ;)
Proof again How INCREDIBLY SMART these dogs are as well, they are very well behaved and Loyal, if only everyone was as loyal. It is not the dogs fault they do as they are told regard less of the outcome, they don't think after being told by their parents/owner/care giver tell them what to do they obey regardless.

Boa1277
10-05-2007, 05:23 PM
How about putting it to sleep BEFORE it bites that human???/ Oh, I didn't really say that.;) My boat won't bite anything but my wallet when the fuel tank is empty. It is in no way dangerous to other people. Your pit may not be either but MANY others are. If everyone is so sure their pit won't bite anyone then why not carry a million dollar insurance policy on all pits that is awarded to the first person they bite? Too expensive? Wonder why?
Really I'm just pulling your chain, as long as nobody I care about and no children anywhere are within strike distance of one I would be fine with them.
I here you but your are correct on the boat not biting anyone but I guarantee you the operator will, I have seen it many many times...The problem with the breed is the people that own them and breed them irresponsibly. If everyone realised what they had and really cared we would not see so many of the horrible killer pitbull stories in the paper.

plaster dave
10-07-2007, 08:48 PM
I just came a crossed this on accident but had to post it. http://a509.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_542e68186030e74d759b22a6c984e1d4.jpg

topless
10-08-2007, 05:52 AM
I just came a crossed this on accident but had to post it. http://a509.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_542e68186030e74d759b22a6c984e1d4.jpgCars?????:co nfused:

thatguy
10-08-2007, 06:58 AM
No matter the reasons for aggresion, no matter how stupid an owner is, no matter the reasons leading up to it, Pit Bulls are capable of killing You, or your kids. Period.
All dogs can go off, no doubt. BUT NOT all dogs are so quickly and relentlessly lethal. I will not own one. I like them, have seen some wonderful pits friends had as family dogs, kids and all.
And I know a young couple in Alaska whos 1 year old was scattered from one end of the house to another. Much like speghetti. From thier nice pit.
No warning, no signs, just dead. (They could only reconstruct half the body from the pieces, the rest was just smeared on the floor)
I do not hate them, but am far more likely to shoot one on my property than say a beagle.
Dobies' go nuts around 5 years old, Rots seem more stable than Pits, but just as capable of killing you.
If you have a breed that is capable of killing you or your kids very quickly, you are taking a chance that, to me, is not worth it. My .02.
Tommy

Pepperkornski
10-08-2007, 03:14 PM
I just came a crossed this on accident but had to post it. http://a509.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_542e68186030e74d759b22a6c984e1d4.jpg
October 16, 1952 Thursday
Sandy, accused of killing 2-year-old boy, gets stay of execution in dispute over ownership.
http://www.lapl.org/virgal/local/images/072.jpg
It is not only the pit bull that kills, your media is out of control.:2purples: