Any 10/22 junkies here?

[Kindsvater Flat]

Wondering if I can just buy the action and build from there. I hate buying the whole gun when most of it is gonna get thrown away.

[djunkie]

Not sure if you can or not. But I'm sure these guys will know. I know I know another forum but I guarantee you will not find a better place for info on rimfires than here. http://rimfirecentral.com/

[Kindsvater Flat]

Thanks I'll go check it out. I just ordered a conversion kit to the .17HMR today. Can't wait to try that out.:D

[Baja Big Dog]

Thanks I'll go check it out. I just ordered a conversion kit to the .17HMR today. Can't wait to try that out.:D
Cant convert the 10-22 to 17HMR. Action is too short, If you run across a 10-22 Mag it will work, but they are hard to come by, and I built 3 of these and they didnt chamber very well.
The 10-22 can convert to 17 mach round, its fun but cant reach out and bust rodents as well as the HMR.
Heres the last 17 Mach I built.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_8640.jpg[/IMG]

[77charger]

From waht i hear ruger is very strict abou selling ceratin internal parts unless you send them the broken gun with the the parts.
I wanted to order an extra trigger assembly a few years ago for my mini14 i somehow lost mine and needed an extra one:D But for my ar i can get anytihng for it except a legal receiver here in ca.

[Baja Big Dog]

Ruger wont sell an action alone, they will sell any other that is not FFL controlled, which does not include triggers.
The gun shows have an occasional good buy, but they are few and far between now a days since everyone started building the 17"s.
Im getting new ones for under 200.00, and you can sell the stock and barrel for anywhere from 50 100 bucks. Except on Ebay, those commies wont let you sell a barrel anymore....you have to sneak them in!:D

[djunkie]

17HMR all the way. Most accurate gun I own. :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41958&stc=1&d=1193374695

[Kindsvater Flat]

Im getting new ones for under 200.00,
Cheapest I found up here is $250.00

[Baja Big Dog]

Cheapest I found up here is $250.00
Got a dealer buddy...cost is under 2 bills...

[Baja Big Dog]

17HMR all the way. Most accurate gun I own. :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41958&stc=1&d=1193374695
Yep...the HMR is more fun, but if your in a heavy squirrel area the Mach is fun to shoot on the run!!! But it wont bring down a dog at any distance.

[Kindsvater Flat]

Also been debating about dropping the big coin and getting a volquartsen billet receiver.
https://www.volquartsen.com/images/accessories/SSreceiver.gif
And just piecing it out from there.

[Baja Big Dog]

Also been debating about dropping the big coin and getting a volquartsen billet receiver.
https://www.volquartsen.com/images/accessories/SSreceiver.gif
And just piecing it out from there.
What are you going to do with it? Plinking...dont waste the money, serious benching, buy it, but no 17 competition that I know of.

[cdog]

I don't know if you have a turners outdoorsman up there but they have the stripped down version on sale every now and then for $169. I bought mine at walmart in AZ for $200 with the maple/stainless barrel and put a BSA sweet 22 scope on it. J&G has a good deal on bull barrel hogue stock kit for under $200.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/16in-barrel-stock-set-for-10-22-/products_id/1

[Kindsvater Flat]

What are you going to do with it? Plinking...dont waste the money, serious benching, buy it, but no 17 competition that I know of.
We plink about 2-3 bricks a weekend here at the ranch. Just thinking about doing one overkill. Couple of weeks ago the kid burned up close to 900 rnds of 9mm

[djunkie]

That is one nice looking weapon.
Thank you. Its a blast to shoot to.

[Baja Big Dog]

We plink about 2-3 bricks a weekend here at the ranch. Just thinking about doing one overkill. Couple of weeks ago the kid burned up close to 900 rnds of 9mm
Well the HMR at $10-12 a box is not the deal, the Mach at 5 bucks a box would fit into your style. (not saying yo cant afford it!!) The factory reciever would work fine, get a little trigger work done, or go to the Volquartsen or Kidd (I prefer Kidd).
Like any other, the money is not in the gun, its in the optics!!!

[socalmoney]

Couldn't this sweet rifle been photographed in a more manly setting? The watering cans, wicker chairs and faux flowers are killing it for me.
17HMR all the way. Most accurate gun I own. :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41958&stc=1&d=1193374695

[Dave C]

no but I gotta get one..... Those things are fun.... all I have to do is figure out where to put the safe...:mad:

[Froggystyle]

I am actually looking to buy fully built, "turn key" 10-22 of some sort for plinking and varminting. Want to shoot a minute or less at 100 yards... could care less about past that.
Do any of these rimfires hold a minute?

[Baja Big Dog]

Couldn't this sweet rifle been photographed in a more manly setting? The watering cans, wicker chairs and faux flowers are killing it for me.
Is this manly enough....work bench, radios laying around, lens laying around, at least I just cleaned it up before this picture.
17 HMR, vermit killin machine.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_9509.jpg[/IMG]

[Froggystyle]

Is this manly enough....work bench, radios laying around, lens laying around, at least I just cleaned it up before this picture.
17 HMR, vermit killin machine.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_9509.jpg[/IMG]
What does a rig like that cost on the secondary market? There has to be tons of them somewhere...

[Froggystyle]

Another question... why are you guys switching out to bolt guns for a small caliber like this? Seems like the semi-auto nature and low recoil of the 10-22 would just be awesome through glass...

[Cheap Thrills]

Although not a 10-22 guru It's been my experience that a closed chamber firearm will have Better Accuracy & More Velocity. The gas pushing the action back on an auto is the gas that's not pushing the projectile forward.
T.

[mrs.robk]

Sooo sorry to thread jack.... but I have a question!!! I have a 10/22 and I want to get a scope for it.... I've seen a million suggestions, anywhere from Bushnell to Leupold. I want a decent adjustable scope.... Any thoughts???
And... I bought mine for under $250 with synthetic stock and stainless barrel.

[Baja Big Dog]

Another question... why are you guys switching out to bolt guns for a small caliber like this? Seems like the semi-auto nature and low recoil of the 10-22 would just be awesome through glass...
Cost, ouch, your trying to hurt me now!!
I built this from a new M77 Ruger, around $500, the barrel was about another 3 hundie, the stock was about a buck and a half, mounts and scope on this one about 3 bucks (had an overpriced Leupold on it at first, but it was an overkill for this gun, that was 8 bucks!!) the trigger was about 150. So about $1400 the way it sits...OUCH, that hurt...and that not the fricken hours of time on the stock, lap honing the bolt etc....
But WOW, it groups at an inch (or less) at 100 plus yards, and it will stop a squirrels heart at over 200 yds easy!!
The bolt actions question, the .17's is made in a few different chamberings, I prefer the HMR which is a .22 mag necked down to .17. Its fast and accurate, in calm conditions), so the gun has to be originally chambered for the .22 mag, (longer ejection ports, stronger bolts etc), although Ruger made the 10-22 in .22 mag at one point they have discontinued them and they are hard to come by, I did build a couple for friends, and I spent in the back of the shop shooting them, they did not want to chamber, and had a tendency to jam.
Some manufactures are going to the .17 market because its the hot setup right now, the average guy can get a nice small game killer for a few hundred bucks, and its somewhat economical, and you dont have to know how to reload. (I can reload .204 Ruger centerfire for less than the .17 HMR). And the beauty of it is you dont have to chase brass around if the shooting is hot and heavy.
That was long winded...wake up now!!!

[Trash]

Froggy,
WRT any .22 holding a minute, I suppose it's possible, and I've done it with my Marlin, but not consistently. Wind is the killer. The .17 might be a better choice for consistency when trying to keep it under a minute at 100 yds, but the ammo price goes up too. That's one of the reasons I stick with .22 for major plinking sessions. The other nice thing about .22s is the broad variety of ammo, from ultra slow and heavy (Aguila SSS 60 gr bullet at around 850 fps)) to faster stuff (CCI Stingers 1600 fps and Aguila HyperVelocity 1750 fps). Most match shooters prefer the consistency of the sub-sonic in the .22 world from my observation.
Gunbroker.com might have some mildly tricked out 10/22's up for sale. Start there. You could probably pick up a stock 10/22 target model with a bull barrel and mount a nice scope and tag golf balls at 100 yds all day long.
Bolt vs. semi-auto in a .22: I do concur with what others have said that bolt guns offer a more consistent chambering when compared to semi-autos, I'm not convinced it could be measured or observed in real life for a .22LR. Larger calibers I believe the difference becomes more pronounced.
Good luck.

[cdog]

You can build a real bitchen LTR in .223 for about the same price of a tricked out 10/22.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Sooo sorry to thread jack.... but I have a question!!! I have a 10/22 and I want to get a scope for it.... I've seen a million suggestions, anywhere from Bushnell to Leupold. I want a decent adjustable scope.... Any thoughts???
And... I bought mine for under $250 with synthetic stock and stainless barrel.
what do you want to do with it?( I won't ask why you want to put a scope on a 10/22)
If you guys are looking for a great shooting gun out of the box. I would look at the CZ and savage. I've seen many CZ shoot under a .300 of a inch at 50 yds using good ammo.

[mrs.robk]

what do you want to do with it?( I won't ask why you want to put a scope on a 10/22)
If you guys are looking for a great shooting gun out of the box. I would look at the CZ and savage. I've seen many CZ shoot under a .300 of a inch at 50 yds using good ammo.
I like to go target shooting! I know a scope is a bit overkill for a 10/22 but I like to shoot looking through a scope. It's Robk's fault... He has a nice Leupold on his .308 and now I'm spoiled....

[Baja Big Dog]

Sooo sorry to thread jack.... but I have a question!!! I have a 10/22 and I want to get a scope for it.... I've seen a million suggestions, anywhere from Bushnell to Leupold. I want a decent adjustable scope.... Any thoughts???
And... I bought mine for under $250 with synthetic stock and stainless barrel.
Asking what scope to buy is like asking someone else to buy your underwear!!
I am typically a Leupold kind of guy, at my friends bragging I put a Tasco on my last 17, they are well know for being a cheap scope (cost and construction), it was about 150 bucks as I recall for a varmint scope, 6-24 power which is somewhat of an overkill for a 17 or a 22, but more is better!!. I swapped it out from a Leupold, and I am shocked with it, have shot over 4000 rounds out of it, it has not changed at all, have beat it up pretty good in the Ranger and still hangs in there, a cheap scope is perfect for these type guns when you are not relying on getting one shot for a successful hunt. on an average varmint hunt we shoot over 500 rounds, for a couple of days, and throw in some .204 and 22.250.
So to answer your question, go to Midway and see what they have, and dont forget to get mounts high enough to mount a large scope (height) 50mm-56mm etc.
http://midwayusa.com/
Or PM me, IM in Anaheim...

[YeLLowBoaT]

Burris, bushnel and leupold all make decent varriable power scopes for rim fire under 200. All kind of depends on what you want to spend. Personally if all you want to do is target shoot get a fixed power scope. you will be alot happier and it will cost you alot less.
Something else to think about is: are you going to make any changes latter? if so, then you might want to spend alittle more and get a better scope. Working for a FFL We got many reports( as well as 1st hand exp) that a stock 10/22 will shoot groups in the 2-6" range at 50 yds using good shells.

[Cheap Thrills]

I was going to suggest Tasco also but my Flamesuit is at the dry cleaners :D
T.

[Baja Big Dog]

I was going to suggest Tasco also but my Flamesuit is at the dry cleaners :D
T.
Years ago I would have lit the match....but I am amazed with mine, figured if it lasted half as long as the Leopold, I would be four times ahead!!!:eek:

[Cheap Thrills]

Years ago I would have lit the match....but I am amazed with mine, figured if it lasted half as long as the Leopold, I would be four times ahead!!!:eek:
Agreed, I use to turn my nose up at Tasco because the usual rule of thumb with optics is Price compares with quality. I broke down and bought one at walmart not too long ago and am impressed with it for the price. Around 50 bucks for a 3x9. Not a scope I would throw on a Magnum but for everyday small caliber plinking /squirrel/ varmint shooter you cant beat em for the price. plus who care if you scratch a cheap scope. :D
I've always had great luck with Simmons scopes.
Overkill ?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41984&d=1193422474
If I had been thinking a min ago when I took the pic I would have thrown the Rose Wood grips on :D
T.

[mrs.robk]

Agreed, I use to turn my nose up at Tasco because the usual rule of thumb with optics is Price compares with quality. I broke down and bought one at walmart not too long ago and am impressed with it for the price. Around 50 bucks for a 3x9. Not a scope I would throw on a Magnum but for everyday small caliber plinking /squirrel/ varmint shooter you cant beat em for the price. plus who care if you scratch a cheap scope. :D
I've always had great luck with Simmons scopes.
Overkill ?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41984&d=1193422474
hahahaha! That's what I'm talking about! I was on a rimfire forum and all anyone could talk about was a Mueller APV. So I almost bought one because everyone said they were so great and for the price, I thought sure! But I did a little more research and heard that company sponsors the forum (along with a few others) and many of the people were given free scopes to promote them.
So, I thought I'd ask for an opinion from some friends :)

[Cheap Thrills]

hahahaha! That's what I'm talking about! I was on a rimfire forum and all anyone could talk about was a Mueller APV. So I almost bought one because everyone said they were so great and for the price, I thought sure! But I did a little more research and heard that company sponsors the forum (along with a few others) and many of the people were given free scopes to promote them.
So, I thought I'd ask for an opinion from some friends :)
That's a Browning Buck Mark .22LR. Although a little expensive for a plinker it is Great little firearm and is the most accurate .22 auto handgun I have ever owned.
I can kill quart oil jugs all day long @50+yds. with it. :D
I originally bought the scope for a 6" Colt Python .357mag to deer hunt with but found the Buck Mark mount at a gun show and went that way with it.
I was going to suggest an Aimpoint for your 10-22 but you mentioned wanting a variable power and I think the Aimpoint suspended dot is a fixed magnification of 2x or 4 x I don't remember which.
Good luck with your 10-22.
Cheers
T.

[Baja Big Dog]

Agreed, I use to turn my nose up at Tasco because the usual rule of thumb with optics is Price compares with quality. I broke down and bought one at walmart not too long ago and am impressed with it for the price. Around 50 bucks for a 3x9. Not a scope I would throw on a Magnum but for everyday small caliber plinking /squirrel/ varmint shooter you cant beat em for the price. plus who care if you scratch a cheap scope. :D
I've always had great luck with Simmons scopes.
Overkill ?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41984&d=1193422474
If I had been thinking a min ago when I took the pic I would have thrown the Rose Wood grips on :D
T.
Thinking...that could leave a mark!!!!

[djunkie]

Couldn't this sweet rifle been photographed in a more manly setting? The watering cans, wicker chairs and faux flowers are killing it for me.
Is this better? :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41992&stc=1&d=1193426314

[Cheap Thrills]

Niiice ! Do you shoot those clay pigeons while they're airborne ? :D
T.

[Froggystyle]

This one seems like a nice plinker for $550... Hate the stock, but those seem like they are all of $160 new...
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1023
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified/uploaded/1mvvdlnxbv.jpg
And this one for $575 seems like a nice deal as well... Don't know about the bench stuff, I will mostly be using for plinking out with the Rhino in the middle of nowhere... Would prefer a more tactical stock...
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1038
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified/uploaded/6vbr3foktm.jpg

[djunkie]

This one seems like a nice plinker for $550... Hate the stock, but those seem like they are all of $160 new...
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1023
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And this one for $575 seems like a nice deal as well... Don't know about the bench stuff, I will mostly be using for plinking out with the Rhino in the middle of nowhere... Would prefer a more tactical stock...
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1038
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So you checked out Rimfirecentral. Your screwed now Wes. I went there to ask a question about my Remington 597 and ended blowing over $600 on a 17HMR after reading about them. :D :D

[OGShocker]

Guns scare me.

[Cheap Thrills]

I think the Ryanite Stock would survive better bouncing around on the Rhino, better than the bad acid trip 70s psychedelic wooden one. Ryanite stock and Stainless Bull Barrel would be sweet ;)
T.

[Froggystyle]

So you checked out Rimfirecentral. Your screwed now Wes. I went there to ask a question about my Remington 597 and ended blowing over $600 on a 17HMR after reading about them. :D :D
$600 is fine, I just don't want to buy something that I have no idea about. I would prefer someone's gun that is a great shooter, but needs a little work. I definitely want used, I definitely want a scope, and would prefer that it fit in a normal rifle hard case so I can hard mount it to the Rhino when we go exploring.
I don't know shit about 22's, except that every time I have shot a nice one it was like riding a moped. Grinning ear to ear, even though you have a Ducati in the garage. They are just fun!
Plus, I want to teach Audrey how to shoot a rifle, with and without glass. I think a bull barrel will definitely remove the front sight from what I gather, but I bet they make a way to put something back on there, eh?
I definitely would rather give up that last bit of accuracy for semi-auto use.
How tough is it to bed a stocker in an aftermarket stock and add a bull barrel?

[OGShocker]

.223 says;
BANG $.20 please
.22 says;
bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang $.20 please.
If guns didn't scare me, I'd own the .22

[djunkie]

.223 says;
BANG $.20 please
.22 says;
bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang $.20 please.
If guns didn't scare me, I'd own the .22
Why not have one of each? :D :D

[OGShocker]

Why not have one of each? :D :D
I just threw up in my mouth at the thought.

[OGShocker]

Yeah->LOL, well if I posted some of the crap you post I'd be scared....REALLY SCARED!!!:D :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/1394minigunbig1.gif
You know I'm just funnin you...
Rio
LMAO!!

[Froggystyle]

Some questions for you experts...
Kimber makes great .45's, how are their .22LR's? (Couple are for sale)
Seems like anything but a Ruger or Anschutz are not very expensive... or didn't hold value very well. I see a very nice Rem 597 with all the goodies for under $300, A couple nice Sako's and what appears to be a VERY nice Thompson Center "Fuzzy Bobcat" for sale all under $500, but any mods to a Ruger are over $600 essentially.
I have never heard of the Anschutz, Sako or T/C... any input?
The Rem looks nice... why so cheap?

[Froggystyle]

Wes, some of the aftermarket stocks come channelled for the bull barrel so you just buy the barrel first. YOU are perfectly capable to mount a front sight on said barrel however since you'd have to mount a rear sight also it might just be easier to have a smith do it for you. Just tell him that you intend to put a scope on it sometime in the future and want to mount it (rear sight) so it doesn't interfere.
I'm partial to the 22 mag but that's just my preference.
Have fun,
Rio
Thanks Mike. How about bedding the reciever in a new stock? I am seeing people bedding with stuff I have never heard of like Araglas and stuff... Is there some sort of voodo on these things, or is it like fully disassembling every other rifle I have ever taken down to parade rest?

[socalmoney]

varmint
http://worldofwonder.net/image1/msquirrelcaut-1.jpg

[djunkie]

Some questions for you experts...
Kimber makes great .45's, how are their .22LR's? (Couple are for sale)
Seems like anything but a Ruger or Anschutz are not very expensive... or didn't hold value very well. I see a very nice Rem 597 with all the goodies for under $300, A couple nice Sako's and what appears to be a VERY nice Thompson Center "Fuzzy Bobcat" for sale all under $500, but any mods to a Ruger are over $600 essentially.
I have never heard of the Anschutz, Sako or T/C... any input?
The Rem looks nice... why so cheap?
Well heres my opinion if it means anything. In my experience a bone stock out of the box Remington 597 will outshoot a 10/22. But with barrel changes and some other mods the 10/22 will be better. The 597 is like the Polaris Ranger. Not alot of aftermarket goodies. Its been a while since I messed with mine though so there may be more out there. My 597 shoots pretty damm good for having the stock barrel on it. I did do a couple minor mods to it though like an extractor and polishing of the slide bars which helped a lot. 1 big problem with the 597 though is the mags suck!!!! But I took mine apart and polished the insides and it seemed to help a lot.
Heres mine. Its got a cheap Simmons 3x9 rimfire scope on it and at 50 yards I can keep it within an inch on paper. Anything over that and I just shoot my .17 HMR. :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41995&stc=1&d=1193429840

[djunkie]

Thanks Mike. How about bedding the reciever in a new stock? I am seeing people bedding with stuff I have never heard of like Araglas and stuff... Is there some sort of voodo on these things, or is it like fully disassembling every other rifle I have ever taken down to parade rest?
Its not that hard. Most of the aftermarket stocks fit pretty good. You may have to do a little work to them but not much. Just make sure the barrel is floated and you should be good. :D

[Froggystyle]

Heres mine. Its got a cheap Simmons 3x9 rimfire scope on it and at 50 yards I can keep it within an inch on paper. Anything over that and I just shoot my .17 HMR. :D :D
That makes it a 2 minute gun! :eek: I thought they were WAY better than that... Or is it you? (Not being a dick... just curious)
There is a 597 with some work done to it for $280 or so. I showed you the Rugers. The nicest looking rifle I saw on there was that T/C... any information on that brand?

[Cheap Thrills]

I don't know shit about 22's, except that every time I have shot a nice one it was like riding a moped. Grinning ear to ear, even though you have a Ducati in the garage. They are just fun!
Think of it this way. Most Assassin's weapon of choice is a .22. It makes the shame (if you have any) more bearable. :p
Plus, I want to teach Audrey how to shoot a rifle, with and without glass. I think a bull barrel will definitely remove the front sight from what I gather, but I bet they make a way to put something back on there, eh?
I've never had a bull barrel Rifle with iron sights but believe
Any Gunsmith or Machinist worth their weight can drill and tap a ramp onto a bull barrel. My Ruger MkII has a bull barrel and iron sights so I don't think it would be an issue with a rifle.
Teaching Audrey how to shoot with iron sights is the way to teach
Once she's proficient with iron sights the scope shooting will just fall into place. It's a No Brainer. ( of course you know that)
I definitely would rather give up that last bit of accuracy for semi-auto use.
For a .22 and general every day plinking I don't think you will notice a difference. You will get use to either one or the other and have just as much fun doing it.
How tough is it to bed a stocker in an aftermarket stock and add a bull barrel?
Again, not an expert on the 10-22 but in my opinion the money spent to bed the barrel on an everyday plinker would be better spent on bricks of ammo.
I know it's nice to have a tricked out firearm but if you're not into the competition end of it,it's a waste of money on a .22 IMO.
Buy ammo ... lots of it. and have a blast.
Be Safe.
T.

[djunkie]

That makes it a 2 minute gun! :eek: I thought they were WAY better than that... Or is it you? (Not being a dick... just curious)
There is a 597 with some work done to it for $280 or so. I showed you the Rugers. The nicest looking rifle I saw on there was that T/C... any information on that brand?
Probably me.:D In my experience a bolt action is a lot more accurate. Keep in mind this a .22. Most I've seen aren't the most accurate things in the world without a ton of work. And anyone who says different is probably blowing smoke up your ass. I shot a bone stock 10/22 at the range once and it was all over the place at 50 yards. My 597 put it to shame. Also I would waste time trying to shoot a .22 100yards for accuracy. I just don't think they have enough velocity.
As for the T/C I really don't know. Never shot one. They are very nice looking pieces though. You really need to sign up to that forum and ask them these questions. They are some freaks over there that know Rimfires very well. :D

[djunkie]

Again, not an expert on the 10-22 but in my opinion the money spent to bed the barrel on an everyday plinker would be better spent on bricks of ammo.
I know it's nice to have a tricked out firearm but if you're not into the competition end of it,it's a waste of money on a .22 IMO.
Buy ammo ... lots of it. and have a blast.
Be Safe.
T.
I agree!!!!!!! I almost got sucked into tricking mine out then I finally woke up and realized why I bought the gun. I'm actually thinking of ditching the scope on mine and just using the stock sights.

[Froggystyle]

I don't want to teach on an inconsistent weapon. Nothing worse than doing everything right on a rifle that can't keep a 3" group at 100...
She is learning right now on a Beeman RX-7 air rifle that drills nails at 25ft. You can literally put one pellet on top of the last consistently with it... but there is no "bang" and I hate breaking the barrel and loosing your aimpoint every time you fire the thing...
It needs to be a minute gun. What would it take to make a 10/22 shoot a MOA?

[Cheap Thrills]

1 MOA with a rim fire cartridge is reaching a little far doncha think?. :D
Of course I'm a little older , I don't see as good as I use to and am a bit shaky under pressure. :D
Just how consistent are the powder throws and bullet weights on mass produced ammunition esp. .22s these days ? That has as much,if not more to do with accuracy than the firearm itself.
Throw a shaky shooter in there along with a lose rifle and some sloppy loads and you'll never hit the paper @100yds. LMAO. :D
Not the topic of conversation here but if there's one that would come close to that out of the box it would be One of these. (http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=1&prod_code=DXT17HMR3O) But the sticker price may give you a heart attack. :eek:
Sorry to clog up the 10-22 thread with a bunch of non 10-22 related post but shooting is one of my favorite hobbies and I just can't seem to keep quiet..
T's out

[Froggystyle]

1 MOA with a rim fire cartridge is reaching a little far doncha think?. :D
Of course I'm a little older , I don't see as good as I use to and am a bit shaky under pressure. :D
Just how consistent are the powder throws and bullet weights on mass produced ammunition esp. .22s these days ? That has as much,if not more to do with accuracy than the firearm itself.
Throw a shaky shooter in there along with a lose rifle and some sloppy loads and you'll never hit the paper @100yds. LMAO. :D
Not the topic of conversation here but if there's one that would come close to that out of the box it would be One of these. (http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=1&prod_code=DXT17HMR3O) But the sticker price may give you a heart attack. :eek:
Sorry to clog up the 10-22 thread with a bunch of non 10-22 related post but shooting is one of my favorite hobbies and I just can't seem to keep quiet..
T's out
I see it like this... I could have had a really, really nice used rail for the amount of money that has gone into the Rhino. But I didn't want a used rail... or even a new rail... I wanted a Rhino. Sure, it isn't as fast, isn't as durable, and isn't even built as well as even a cheap custom rail, but it fits in my motorhome, is easy and fun to drive and costs very little to operate. Plus, it fits in places that Jeeps, rails and buggies can't.
Same deal with this rifle. I want something fun to shoot, but that will reward a better shooter. I want something that is less expensive to shoot a lot, and has available ammo. I don't mind spending money on "premium" 22 ammo, it is still 1/4 the price of cheap 9mm rounds. They don't make very much noise, so you won't get people upset when you are plinking in valleys and stuff...
More fun, lower price and easy operation... Works for me.

[Cheap Thrills]

I hear what you're saying man, I'm the same way. I want the best bang for my buck too. I know you're wanting to build a 10-22 and I would love to do the same.
The Weatherby was merely me pointing out a very nice, highly accurate piece in .22cal. That would come close to holding a 1 MOA. group out of the box.
Best of luck with your build.
T.

[Froggystyle]

Anyone know of any other sites that have nice 22's for sale? I am seriously looking at that T/C. I went to the Thompson website and they look like really, really nice American made rifles.
Here is the one I am looking at...
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1261
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified/uploaded/qvkvgq27n.jpg
"Thompson Center "Fuzzy BobCat" semi-auto rifle, .22LR ... Tuned "Silver Lynx" action/heavy barrel in a customised laminated R.55 stock. Bushnell Banner 4-12x40 scope and mounts, 4 magazines. I built this rifle as a potential winner of the CMP Sporter Nationals. Very accurate, reliable. Ill health has precluded me from further top-line competition. Needs good owner/competitor ! "

[Froggystyle]

I hear what you're saying man, I'm the same way. I want the best bang for my buck too. I know you're wanting to build a 10-22 and I would love to do the same.
The Weatherby was merely me pointing out a very nice, highly accurate piece in .22cal. That would come close to holding a 1 MOA. group out of the box.
Best of luck with your build.
T.
It actually looks amazing, and I spent some time on the site. Thanks for the referral.
Take a look at that Thompson and tell me what you think. I think that for $425 I may be calling the guy today... Seems like it would be worth at least that..
Here is a review on the rifle. Claiming MOA at 50 yards stock...
"One of the newer T/C products is the R55 rifle. It is based on Thompson's .22 semi-auto action modified to shoot the 17 Mach 2 cartridges. Thompson claims one-half inch groups at 50 yards with this rifle, and in talks with their people I was told they shot 25 shot groups at 25 yards that could be covered with a quarter. This is great accuracy for any production rifle, and outstanding accuracy for a semi-auto rimfire.
As of this writing, four R55 models are offered: the Classic, with blued steel/walnut stock; All Weather, in SS, with synthetic stock; Benchmark, with heavy blued barrel and laminated wood; Sporter, with laminated wood. A nice feature is a trap door in the buttplate to store an extra magazine.
I ordered the stainless steel All Weather model with a black composite stock. Here are the basic specifications of that model:
Caliber - .17 Mach 2
Action - Semi-automatic
Receiver - Stainless steel, drilled and tapped for scope base
Magazine - 5-round clip
Barrel - 20", match grade with target crown
Stock - Black composite with sling swivel studs
Safety - Manual operating thumb safety
Length of pull - 13 3/4"
Overall length - 37 1/2"
Weight - 5 1/2 pounds
Sights - Adjustable steel rear sight and ramp front with fiber optics
Tests have shown that .17 M2 velocity peaks in the short 20" barrel. Thompson actually makes their barrels, and I observed the process during a factory tour. After completion, finished barrels go through a long process of oven stress relieving. This illustrates Thompson's dedication to quality.
The synthetic stock has a raised, Monte Carlo style cheek piece. The flared pistol grip is comfortable to hold, and the forearm is wide, with finger grooves along its top edge. This fits nicely in the hand, and also works well on bench rests.
The action is narrow along its top half and gracefully tapered at the rear. The thumb operated safety on the right-rear side, and a large magazine release button is in the front of the trigger guard. The 5-shot magazine is formed from heavy cast steel. The R55 is, overall, a high quality rifle.
The R55 scope mounts are Thompson Maxima steel rings and two-piece bases with a black matte finish. They are compact, but very solid. I happened to have a Leupold compact M-8 4x scope, which I mounted on the R55. The final touch was to attach a black web sling and swivels.
The test rifle basically lived up to T/C's accuracy claims at the range. And it functioned very well, with only one jam--a failure to eject--in shooting several hundred rounds.
When a person has been shooting and working on guns for as long as I have, one can usually find something to complain about, and I had some small annoyances. The safety was stiff to operate. Being an enclosed action, the bore has to be cleaned from the muzzle. Because of the sharp-edged target crown, brushes and patches are hard to start in the bore. The trigger guard is small and doesn't allow the use of heavy winter gloves.
But these are minor points. Over all, the T/C R55 rifle is a joy to use. It is reliable, very accurate, and good looking. It is a semi-auto worth owning.
Note: There is a full length review of the T/C R55 All Weather .17 Mach 2 rifle on the Product Review Page."

[Cheap Thrills]

It actually looks amazing, and I spent some time on the site. Thanks for the referral.
Take a look at that Thompson and tell me what you think. I think that for $425 I may be calling the guy today... Seems like it would be worth at least that..
Wes,
That T/C is sweet !I'm sure he has more into it than he's asking. I'm still trying to find a base price on one. But for 425 bones seems like a good deal as long as it hasn't been used to death. And the way the add reads it appears to have had very little use.
I'm not sure of the longevity of an auto loader .22 and how many rounds are considered the lifespan of the firearm. That's always something to consider when purchasing used.
If you like the T/C I'd say go for it. T/C is a first rate company and they do make some fine weaponry.
I see it's in TN if it's close to me Knoxville/Chatt. I wouldn't mind taking a road trip to check it out.
T.

[Froggystyle]

Wes,
That T/C is sweet !I'm sure he has more into it than he's asking. I'm still trying to find a base price on one. But for 425 bones seems like a good deal as long as it hasn't been used to death. And the way the add reads it appears to have had very little use.
I'm not sure of the longevity of an auto loader .22 and how many rounds are considered the lifespan of the firearm. That's always something to consider when purchasing used.
If you like the T/C I'd say go for it. T/C is a first rate company and they do make some fine weaponry.
I see it's in TN if it's close to me Knoxville/Chatt. I wouldn't mind taking a road trip to check it out.
T.
Retail on it without the stock or bull barrel is around $475. Throw in those items plus the scope and I think it is a great deal.
I dunno... I had never heard of TC before, but after snooping around online a little, they seem to be among the best shooting 22's out there...

[djunkie]

Retail on it without the stock or bull barrel is around $475. Throw in those items plus the scope and I think it is a great deal.
I dunno... I had never heard of TC before, but after snooping around online a little, they seem to be among the best shooting 22's out there...
T/C makes a great firearm. They are really best known for their single shot rifles which I may be buying soon. As for the .22 I really don't know. When I used to surf the Rimfire central sight I rarely heard much about them. Well not as much as the 10/22 anyways.

[Cheap Thrills]

Yeah I figured/guessed around 400 base price. I bet he has twice that if not more in it.
T/C Famous for the Contender pistols. Those are freaking awesome. Interchangeable barrels in any caliber you could imagine. Some are quite scary to say the least and without the carbine kit would be absolutely suicidal to shoot. Ask me how I know. I still have a scope scar from that bastard :D
I would assume the quality would carry over to their newer production models.
T.

[Froggystyle]

Yeah I figured/guessed around 400 base price. I bet he has twice that if not more in it.
T/C Famous for the Contender pistols. Those are freaking awesome. Interchangeable barrels in any caliber you could imagine. Some are quite scary to say the least and without the carbine kit would be absolutely suicidal to shoot. Ask me how I know. I still have a scope scar from that bastard :D
I would assume the quality would carry over to their newer production models.
T.
I'm giving him a call and seeing if he wants any speed parts for trade... ;)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Bought my 10/22 22 years ago, when I turned 18.
I don't like thumbhole stocks tho, OR huge barrels, or supressors (on a frigging .22???) so mine is all orriginal.
A Volksquarten (sp) trigger would be sweet, but $$$ better spent elsewhere.
With the Bushnell 3x9x36mm scope it wears, it'll drive nails as far as I need to.
If I need more reach, the .308 B.A.R. comes out. :eek: :D

[YeLLowBoaT]

Some questions for you experts...
Kimber makes great .45's, how are their .22LR's? (Couple are for sale)
Seems like anything but a Ruger or Anschutz are not very expensive... or didn't hold value very well. I see a very nice Rem 597 with all the goodies for under $300, A couple nice Sako's and what appears to be a VERY nice Thompson Center "Fuzzy Bobcat" for sale all under $500, but any mods to a Ruger are over $600 essentially.
I have never heard of the Anschutz, Sako or T/C... any input?
The Rem looks nice... why so cheap?
sako makes some very high end rifles... they can get very pricy really fast. Anschutz, makes some very accurate rifles for a decnt price, they are avery good choice.
Never shot a T/C rimfire.
I would also look at CZ... I've got a CZ 75 that with sub sonic ammo shoots under 1/4" at 50 yds if I do my part. Under .350" if I use other good full power ammo. Its completly stock out of the box( other then scope) It was about $575.
BTW I don't what has cost me more... 1911.com of rimfirecenteral...

[Froggystyle]

sako makes some very high end rifles... they can get very pricy really fast. Anschutz, makes some very accurate rifles for a decnt price, they are avery good choice.
Never shot a T/C rimfire.
I would also look at CZ... I've got a CZ 75 that with sub sonic ammo shoots under 1/4" at 50 yds if I do my part. Under .350" if I use other good full power ammo. Its completly stock out of the box( other then scope) It was about $575.
BTW I don't what has cost me more... 1911.com of rimfirecenteral...
I am safe from the 1911's since I like H&K's, but I am all of a sudden yearning for a trick 22...
Talked to the owner of SoCal Gun today and he recommended the CZ too. Spendy out of the box, but he liked the way they shot. Said if you want trick though, need to stay with a 10/22 for the availability of parts.
The more I look, the more I like that T/C...

[YeLLowBoaT]

if your really just looking for a good plinker I would recomend trying and finding a nylon 66. They are not easy to find, but not super hard ether. Kind of like an old truck that just keeps going, every one that has one is not going to sell it. I know I will never sell mine.
also savage makes a good bolt gun for under 300. Never shot thier autos, so I can't say yay or nay.

[STV_Keith]

Very happy with my 10/22's. My uber tacticool one is on a Hogue overmoulded stock, Harris bi-pod, Green Mountain fluted 18" stainless barrel threaded for suppressor, Volquartsen hammer/trigger/sear/hammer spring/auto bolt release, titanium bolt catch and extended mag release. Topped with a 8.5-25x 50mm AO Mueller Mil Dot scope. Overkill for this, but means I can skip bringing a spotting scope. :) Will keyhole at 50yds, no prob. At 100, even a light breeze starts moving the little .22lr's around, but it's just as accurate in no wind.
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Tactical1022/7-15-07_tac1022-4.jpg

[STV_Keith]

Hey Froggy...you heading over for SEMA? Perhaps we can go shoot one day or something. I can bring the 10/22 and maybe a Saiga AK47 - 12 gauge to play with. :)
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Saiga12s/7-15-07_saiga-12s.jpg

[djunkie]

Very happy with my 10/22's. My uber tacticool one is on a Hogue overmoulded stock, Harris bi-pod, Green Mountain fluted 18" stainless barrel threaded for suppressor, Volquartsen hammer/trigger/sear/hammer spring/auto bolt release, titanium bolt catch and extended mag release. Topped with a 8.5-25x 50mm AO Mueller Mil Dot scope. Overkill for this, but means I can skip bringing a spotting scope. :) Will keyhole at 50yds, no prob. At 100, even a light breeze starts moving the little .22lr's around, but it's just as accurate in no wind.
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Tactical1022/7-15-07_tac1022-4.jpg
That looks sweet.
If you don't mind me asking, what do you have into that thing money wise Keith?

[Froggystyle]

Hey Froggy...you heading over for SEMA? Perhaps we can go shoot one day or something. I can bring the 10/22 and maybe a Saiga AK47 - 12 gauge to play with. :)
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Saiga12s/7-15-07_saiga-12s.jpg
I would LOVE to... Maybe I will bring the Moho this time and have the Rhino available... Could be cool to head out in the backwoods with. Do you have a flatbed?

[STV_Keith]

As it sits, around $800 including the new stock stainless 10/22.

[Froggystyle]

As it sits, around $800 including the new stock stainless 10/22.
What do you think that sells for used? That is pretty much exactly what I am looking for...
And... where would you look for one?

[YeLLowBoaT]

What do you think that sells for used? That is pretty much exactly what I am looking for...
And... where would you look for one?
www.Gunbroker.com (fair warning you can't transfer a hand gun into CA unless its on the list.) That and gun shows.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Nice playtoy STV. Wes, I wouldn't really consider the .22rf to have a "lifespan". I don't think I've ever seen one that was 'shot out' as long as rust, dirt and abuse wasn't a factor. Sooner or later every .22lr semi auto will jam, fail to feed, etc. if it's not kept clean. I've not ever encountered that with the .22 mag or the .17's.
I'm really liking that T/C and with the elevated scope mounts having iron sights mounted should be a cinch.
Go see STV as I'm thinkin he probably has some neat toys stashed .lol
Rio
normally what happends to rimfires( assume they are cleaned once in awhile) is the firing pins need to be replace.

[Froggystyle]

I'm really liking that T/C and with the elevated scope mounts having iron sights mounted should be a cinch.
Go see STV as I'm thinkin he probably has some neat toys stashed .lol
Rio
Agreed on both counts. I think that T/C may be the diamond in the rough on this purchase.
Some really nice stuff on the gunbrokers link. For $699 you can pretty much get whatever you want built for you custom.
Still leaning toward the T/C though. Something different... plus it doesn't have a toy look about it...

[YeLLowBoaT]

You know with your time in the teams you might want to look for an AP 22. its basicly an AR in 22lr.

[Froggystyle]

Loving this though at under $900...
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/083693000/83693468/pix1292899187.jpg
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/083693000/83693468/pix1292899078.jpg
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/083693000/83693468/pix1292899453.jpg
I would probably have him build something without the octagonal barrel, but otherwise, I think it is totally bad ass...
Love the stock on this one too... maybe it is just the colors, but I like it better than the disco ones. Plus the billet receiver probably doesn't hurt it's standing with me... ;) Needs a silver scope though...
"FULL CUSTOM target/varmint rifle by Vince Heier. Number 3 in a series I call "NEW - OLD SCHOOL". Where the old school look of an OCTAGONAL barrel meets the very best of modern tecnology. FEATURES: MAGNUM RESEARCH billet receiver with intregal rail; WHISTLE PIG 20" octagonal barrel (.22 LR) built to my design; REVIVAL Yukon Extreme stock hand fitted & finished in satin oil (green camo); RUGER Target bolt assembly; SUPER-MATCH trigger assembly (2 lb.) with OT and VOLQUARTSEN internals; TACTICAL SOLUTIONS new lever mag release; WINCHESTER 3-9x40 duplex scope with flip-up covers and padded cover; Custom billet extended bolt handle; more"

[Froggystyle]

You know with your time in the teams you might want to look for an AP 22. its basicly an AR in 22lr.
You see, to me, that seems a little poseur-ish... These things aren't tactical weapons, but they can be made to be nice little plinkers for under a G. My last real rifle's scope damn near cost me that...
I want a G3... I am not going to be happy until I end up with one. But until I get a house in Arizona... that just ain't gonna happen....

[Jbb]

There will be no discharging of firearms in the park...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42015&stc=1&d=1193447194
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42016&stc=1&d=1193447262

[Froggystyle]

There will be no discharging of firearms in the park...
:D

[rerfert]

Couldn't this sweet rifle been photographed in a more manly setting? The watering cans, wicker chairs and faux flowers are killing it for me.
Thats what it takes to get the angle into the neighbors window.
Might want to check out a local Pawn shop for a broken 10/22.

[STV_Keith]

Sorry Wes, no flatbed. :(
I'd start looking on ar15.com, thefiringline.com and rimfirecentral.com as mentioned earlier.
Here's a few to get you started:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=93&t=480099
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=category&categoryid=4

[Kindsvater Flat]

You thread hijackers.:D
I figured I would be looking 3 pages deep for this thread. Anyways here is one 10/22 that I keep in the pickup pretty much year round. I have a stock one that the kids shoot. Just the barrel, stock, trigger/bolt kit, bipod, and 40mm scope has been done to it. I keep wanting to do the extended mag release but always forget to order that part.
http://www.schoutenranch.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_3041.JPG
And if I want to exceed a 100yrd limit I rest this on my mirror.
15" .223 Thompson Encore
http://www.schoutenranch.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_3045.JPG

[phebus]

For those that may be out in Havasu today, there is a gun show at the aquatic center.

[Baja Big Dog]

For those that may be out in Havasu today, there is a gun show at the aquatic center.
Dam.....I hate those shows in AZ, you know living in a real state, and allowing big boys to have big toys!!

[Chico&Zeus]

I'm suprised no one brought these up yet....
http://www.gatlingguns.com/images/RAZIMGZ/Aut_0183.jpg
http://gatlingguns.com/images/RAZIMGZ/1022top.jpg
http://www.gatlingguns.com/images/RAZIMGZ/Aut_0185.jpg

[cdog]

That's a no can do in CA. Felony. :eek:

[Chico&Zeus]

That's a no can do in CA. Felony. :eek:
Must suck to live in that P.C. granola eatin' tree huggin' commie bastard state:D I love AZ, it's still the "WILD WEST"

[cdog]

Must suck to live in that P.C. granola eatin' tree huggin' commie bastard state:D I love AZ, it's still the "WILD WEST"
I hear ya. I'll be there for good next saturday. Can't wait. I'm driving over to Cabelas and buying some High caps just because I can.:)
Any of you guy's heading over to the SAR show this year?

[burbanite]

if your really just looking for a good plinker I would recomend trying and finding a nylon 66. They are not easy to find, but not super hard ether. Kind of like an old truck that just keeps going, every one that has one is not going to sell it. I know I will never sell mine.
Mine must have been a rogue. No matter how much I did to it it was a jam-o-matic, so, I sold it...
My wife loves to sit all day behind my BL-22, nothing special but to her it is pure fun.
Wes, the TC will suit you down to the ground, especially if you look at your original intent.

[OKIE-JET]

T/C makes great guns, Sako is high end with very good accuracy on my larger hunting guns, but never really dealt much with .22 Sako's. Remington is a good old standby. For real accuracy and consistency, bolt action is supreme out of the box. Less time between shots comes down to barrel harmonics. JMO.

[YeLLowBoaT]

I want one of these (http://youtube.com/watch?v=abTGAP7tG0Y)
its about the only machine gun I could aford to shoot.

[Baja Big Dog]

Mine must have been a rogue. No matter how much I did to it it was a jam-o-matic, so, I sold it...
My wife loves to sit all day behind my BL-22, nothing special but to her it is pure fun.
Wes, the TC will suit you down to the ground, especially if you look at your original intent.
Not a rogue, they were junk, jam-o matic's...they came out to compete with the 10-22, BAD decision!!

[YeLLowBoaT]

Not a rogue, they were junk, jam-o matic's...they came out to compete with the 10-22, BAD decision!!
um nylon 66 came out in 59... 10/22 came out in 64.
I have never had a prob with mine using full power shells.( now sub sonic or CB caps and it will jam right up as there is not enough power to cycle the action)
Infact I have never cleaned it other then a shot of solvent down the barrel and into the the action. then a fog of oil. A few years back I had to replace the guid rod spring... thats after atleast 100k rounds. It was a $10 part shiped, took longer to get the package open then it did to install.

[Baja Big Dog]

Hey Stoker..heres the real gun...204 ruger, faster, flatter, more accurate than the 17!! And cheaper!!! (to shoot)
this is the number 1
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_8642.jpg
And this is the M77
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_9515.jpg
As fun as the 17 are, these "reach out and touch something" a lot better!!!

[Jbb]

Does the Parrot talk?

[Baja Big Dog]

Does the Parrot talk?
Oh yea....not child proof!!!:eek:

[djunkie]

Hey Stoker..heres the real gun...204 ruger, faster, flatter, more accurate than the 17!! And cheaper!!! (to shoot)
this is the number 1
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_8642.jpg
And this is the M77
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/IMG_9515.jpg
As fun as the 17 are, these "reach out and touch something" a lot better!!!
The .204's are badass but in a totally different league. Can't compare rimfire to a centerfire.
And the .204 is not cheaper to shoot. Not even close. 20 rounds of .204 are around $15. you can get 50 rounds of .17 for less than that.

[Baja Big Dog]

The .204's are badass but in a totally different league. Can't compare rimfire to a centerfire.
And the .204 is not cheaper to shoot. Not even close. 20 rounds of .204 are around $15. you can get 50 rounds of .17 for less than that.
Oh contrare (sp) mi amigo...at 14.5 cents per round (.9 per bullet, .02 primer, 3.6 powder) its actually cheaper than the .17!! (about $7.25 per 50 rounds, yea..flame away, I know, "whats your labor worth"...etc...etc...etc....True statement, but its kinda relaxing.
And the results are a lot more fun on the little furry things!!
That M77 knocked down two squirrels at 325 YDS, and two at over 350 YDS, (with no wind) and a buddy killed a coyote at over 375 with the No. 1!! (I missed two at that range!!!)
Dont get me wrong, when the shooting is hot and heavy the 17 is a blast, less work, no picking up brass!!

[Baja Big Dog]

Nice pieces Baja, I've got a 220 Swift and a mini 14 in the black laminate stocks. Looking for a mini in 6.8 and a 204 at the moment.
Rio
Thanks Rio,
220's have probably killed more varmints than any other caliber, it is a blast to sit around on a varmint hunt and listen to all the bull shitt about the better calibers, my 22-250 will out shoot your 6mm, my 204 will out shoot your 223 etc, its an argument that will never end!!!
I have had a ton of fun with the 204, its very easy to load for, and if you dont reload, my guns shoot extremely well with factory ammo, (Hornady 32 gr VMAX).
All this fricken talk is making me "so hoenee" to stop some hearts!!

[YeLLowBoaT]

handloading is also the only way to see the true preformance of a rifle. If you want to shoot .5 MOA or better the only way to do it is handload. You have 2 choices, do it yourself or have custom ammo built starting at about $5 a shot.

[djunkie]

Oh contrare (sp) mi amigo...at 14.5 cents per round (.9 per bullet, .02 primer, 3.6 powder) its actually cheaper than the .17!! (about $7.25 per 50 rounds, yea..flame away, I know, "whats your labor worth"...etc...etc...etc....True statement, but its kinda relaxing.
And the results are a lot more fun on the little furry things!!
That M77 knocked down two squirrels at 325 YDS, and two at over 350 YDS, (with no wind) and a buddy killed a coyote at over 375 with the No. 1!! (I missed two at that range!!!)
Dont get me wrong, when the shooting is hot and heavy the 17 is a blast, less work, no picking up brass!!
Ya like the average person loads there own rounds. And yes time is worth something. Geez. Take it easy. And really, can you put the 2 in the same category of firearm?

[Baja Big Dog]

Ya like the average person loads there own rounds. And yes time is worth something. Geez. Take it easy. And really, can you put the 2 in the same category of firearm?
DJ...I think you may have taken my post out of context, I was not burning you, merely pointing out that by reloading the cost of the 204 would be a lot of fun to shoot. I think a lot of people that shoot a lot and enjoy shooting do reload, (maybe Im in a world of my own!). I cleared up the labor thing, I enjoy siting on my ass listening to the TV and reloading, instead of watching it!!
I guess putting the two in the same category is a stretch, like I said, if your sitting around with a bench the 204 is a blast but if your running around in the Polaris, (or any SXS, dont want to start another whole issue) the 17kicks ass because you can run and gun....
Well have to have a HB dog busting trip with the grass turns green !!!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Ya like the average person loads there own rounds. And yes time is worth something. Geez. Take it easy. And really, can you put the 2 in the same category of firearm?
Gee, I thought I was average.
The only factory loaded ammo I have purchased in the last 25 years has been .22 Rimfire and 7.62x57R for my Mosin. I still haven't used that 440 round tin up so no need to buy brass, just yet. (the soviet ammo is the wrong primer type).

[Wet Dream]

Ya like the average person loads there own rounds. And yes time is worth something.
Better yet, who doesn't? Factory loads are great for being consistent in trying to hit something over 100 yards. Thats just it, trying. They're great for speed and ease of gaining rounds. Every year, my wife and I go through the process of reloading and testing until we find the load thats going to work. Sometimes its different by a grain or two, but never the same year after year.

[Cheap Thrills]

(the soviet ammo is the wrong primer type).
Yikes Corrosive Primers :yuk: Or are you referring to having to use a pocket swayer to clean crimped primer pockets? or something totally different I'm not familiar with?
T.

[Tom Olson]

You see, to me, that seems a little poseur-ish... These things aren't tactical weapons, but they can be made to be nice little plinkers for under a G. My last real rifle's scope damn near cost me that...
I want a G3... I am not going to be happy until I end up with one. But until I get a house in Arizona... that just ain't gonna happen....
Ive got a HK51 and a HK53 to play with if your ever in the Phx area :eek:

[Froggystyle]

Ive got a HK51 and a HK53 to play with if your ever in the Phx area :eek:
May be there this week! Just got a phone call and I may be headed out there instead of Vegas... Tomorrow will tell I am sure.
Would love to shoot one of those two again. I can't stop smiling shooting the G3...

[Tom Olson]

I'm leaving for SEMA Thurs morning,,,I'll take the whole arsenal out to the desert Mon,Tues or Wed,,night shooting is best Tannerite,tracers and propane :jawdrop:

[djunkie]

DJ...I think you may have taken my post out of context, I was not burning you, merely pointing out that by reloading the cost of the 204 would be a lot of fun to shoot. I think a lot of people that shoot a lot and enjoy shooting do reload, (maybe Im in a world of my own!). I cleared up the labor thing, I enjoy siting on my ass listening to the TV and reloading, instead of watching it!!
I guess putting the two in the same category is a stretch, like I said, if your sitting around with a bench the 204 is a blast but if your running around in the Polaris, (or any SXS, dont want to start another whole issue) the 17kicks ass because you can run and gun....
Well have to have a HB dog busting trip with the grass turns green !!!
No I got what you were saying. And I wasn't trying to argue or anything. Fact is, most people that I know don't reload. Face it, it takes a lot of time and most i know including me aren't out there to shoot competitively so reloading just seems to be a waste of time. I own a reloader and used to load my hunting rounds but I got tired of it and just went back to factory ammo. As much as I shoot it just didn't make sense. As for the comparison of the price of ammo you made lets face it, if it was possible to reload a rimfire the .17 would still be cheaper. But the .204 is a lot more powerful than the little .17. I own a .223 but am looking into getting the .204 someday but unfortunately I just don't shoot as much anymore to really spend the money on it right now. :( :(
Edit-I'd love to do some dog shooting :D :D

[djunkie]

Better yet, who doesn't? Factory loads are great for being consistent in trying to hit something over 100 yards. Thats just it, trying. They're great for speed and ease of gaining rounds. Every year, my wife and I go through the process of reloading and testing until we find the load thats going to work. Sometimes its different by a grain or two, but never the same year after year.
Me, thats who. I can hit what I need to with factory ammo and thats all that matters to me. Its cool that your wife is into as much as you. I bet shes not as much of a blow hard though...........

[djunkie]

Baja, reloading is my "therapy". Takes my mind off all the other bs in the world. I probably have about 100,000 rounds of handloads sittin in my office at the moment an that ain't damn near enough. Just got a load of brass 410 shells that should be a kick in my 9410. Now if I just lengthen the chamber of my T/C 45lc it should be okay for an up-close quail pistol..???
Rio
We need to get together and shoot sometime Rio. I used to go alot but that thing called work has unfortunately gotten in the way. Do any Quaill hunting yet this year?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Yikes Corrosive Primers :yuk: Or are you referring to having to use a pocket swayer to clean crimped primer pockets? or something totally different I'm not familiar with?
T.
They may or may not be the corrosive Fulminate of Mercury primers, but being soviet block mil-spec ammo, I am dealing with them as if they are. Good cleaning and oiling regimen.
The real "difference" may well be an unfamiliarity. most European ammo uses brass with 2 small holes in the bottom, and a nipple between them that the primer is crushed against. These have to be pried out with a tool to be replaced. An American designed this actually, harder to use. I THINK it is the "boxer" system, but I have a 50/50 of being backwards without looking it up to be certain.
The "Berdan" system used here, is a European invention, with a single flash-hole, which makes the primers easier to push out.
Again, I MAY have reversed the boxer/berdan names, it's been a long time since I dealt with the difference. For whatever reasons, they never caught on in polularity in their home regions, I guess mostly because reloading ammo has always been much more popular here, since way back in the creation of brass cartridges than in Europe.

[Cheap Thrills]

Thanks for the info.
T.

[cdog]

Boxer is with one hole. Typical american mil. sup. ammo.
Berdan is the euro type 2 hole primer. It is reloadable but nobody makes a tool to remove the primers. Yet.

[Baja Big Dog]

Boxer is with one hole. Typical american mil. sup. ammo.
Berdan is the euro type 2 hole primer. It is re loadable but nobody makes a tool to remove the primers. Yet.
Ive got a jig somewhere that drills out the berdan holes, (for 308),and lets you punch the primer out like a boxer, then clean the hole out from the primer side, and then ream the primer pocket if the primers were crimped....such a pain in the ass, and with the amount brass available now a days it aint worth the trouble!!!

[YeLLowBoaT]

I don't know if they ever stop importing surplus brass for my 7.5 schmidt rubin( 7.5 swiss) I would think about it... as the brass alone is over a buck each.

[Baja Big Dog]

I don't know if they ever stop importing surplus brass for my 7.5 schmidt rubin( 7.5 swiss) I would think about it... as the brass alone is over a buck each.
Its easy to make a jig, mine was a little (over) elaboate, you just need a drill press, and a collar on a drill that will stop the drill before it goes through the primer, the collar has to fit into the mouth of the case, or if you have a lot of brass just set up the stop on your drill press, and you will need a fixture to hold the case vertical in the drill press, you then have to punch out the primer with your normal de capping die, (I would shorten the de capping pin to reduce breaking, a lot of berdan primed cases have crimped primers)), and then if you want ream the hole you drilled after you de prime. Ream the crimp hole and your good to go!!! \
Yours is the case where this method comes in handy. Oh and check a couple of cases when you de prime, sometime the euro's used some funny size primers, if your primers dont fit perfectly (by feel, using a single stage reloader), then DO NOT under and circumstances use them!!!
Good luck....
This ought to keep you off the streets for a while!!

[YeLLowBoaT]

I was thinking a case gauge clambed to the drill press would work just fine...might have to fab up a lock down to keep it from spining in the gauge, but that would be very easy.
Still not worth it when its only about $.30 a shot with the surplus stuff. I have always been impress with my k-31. I wonder how much of its accuracy is to the swiss ammo, as it is very good ammo.

[Baja Big Dog]

I was thinking a case gauge clambed to the drill press would work just fine...might have to fab up a lock down to keep it from spining in the gauge, but that would be very easy.
Still not worth it when its only about $.30 a shot with the surplus stuff. I have always been impress with my k-31. I wonder how much of its accuracy is to the swiss ammo, as it is very good ammo.
How many wars did the Swiss win??:D

[Cheap Thrills]

How many wars did the Swiss win??:D
1315: The three original cantons repel an Austrian attack at the Battle of Morgarten and over the Brünig.
1386-1388: The Confederates successfully resist Austrian attacks in the battles of Sempach (1386) and Näfels (1388).
1474-1477: Bern destroys the powerful Duchy of Burgundy in the Burgundian war. The Confederation becomes a great military power and also a source of mercenaries for foreign armies.
1499: In the wake of the Swabian War, the Confederates are able to affirm their independence from the Holy Roman Empire.
1815: After the defeat of France by the European monarchies, three new cantons are added to the Swiss Confederation: Geneva, Valais and Neuchâtel. The privileges of the ancien régime are restored.
A few but none with Firearms :D
But for being known for precision as the Swiss are I would almost bet their production ammunition is better than ours in terms of consistency..
T.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Did the swiss even fight an any wars? I've actaully miced and ran the surplus ammo on an eccentrcy gauge... everything was under a thousandth from one shell to the next. They were also with in 7 grains of each other... which is pretty damn impressive.

[burbanite]

I have always been impress with my k-31.
That's it, I'm going to dust mine off this weekend, it is about time I put some rounds through it. Gotta take the wife to a turkey shoot first though...:)
Anyone else have a C&R license?

[YeLLowBoaT]

they are kind of hard to get in CA... as in you have to know some one at the DOJ.

[Froggystyle]

Well, after ten years of procrastinating, I am finally going to build a little hot rod .22.
Found the stock I want, looking for a barrel still. Definitely want a carbon barrel though, since Aud absolutely loved the weight of the carbon barrel 10/22 we handled this weekend.
Turns out she is a lefty though, so we are going to get an ambidextrous stock and get her a good magnification on an optic.
Looking at some scopes right now. Went on midway as per BBD's recommendation and raised a couple of questions.
Looking at the following...
A BSA Sweet 22 3-9 x 40 it has an illuminated duplex crosshair... anyone familiar with these? Are they powered, or do they have a sunroof of sorts on them?
Saw a BSA Sweet 22 6-18x x 40mm... Seems like quite a bit of magnification, but is also designed for a 10/22's trajectory and would probably be cool to zoom in on targets with. If anyone is shooting these around 100 yards, do you ever zoom out to 3x or will 6x be fine. (Honestly, I have never put anything into a scope below 300 yards I don't think...)
I love Nikon camera optics... almost reason enough to buy a Nikon in fact. Saw a really nice looking Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40... any experience? Never looked through a Nikon scope.
My gut tells me to run with a 3-9x50 or 40 if the deal is right... will this magnification cut it on 1" steel targets? (I am planning on building my own string-pull reset steel targets and want them smaller than 1" diameter at 100 yards. I am also building a pair of them, so I can race on action fire stuff with my buddies that are building 22's out at 100 yards. Probably five targets per, with a string reset)
Last one is a Simmons Master Series Aetec 2.8-10x44 that looks the most promising. Price is right, good size objective and 1/4 moa increments. Anyone shoot a Simmons?
It seems too cheap to be valuable, but some have liked the Tasco. There is a Tasco World Class 3-9 x 40 with a mil-dot reticle (very comfortable for me... if hugely overkill at 100 yards) for only $50 or so.

[cdog]

Well, after ten years of procrastinating, I am finally going to build a little hot rod .22.
Found the stock I want, looking for a barrel still. Definitely want a carbon barrel though, since Aud absolutely loved the weight of the carbon barrel 10/22 we handled this weekend.
Turns out she is a lefty though, so we are going to get an ambidextrous stock and get her a good magnification on an optic.
Looking at some scopes right now. Went on midway as per BBD's recommendation and raised a couple of questions.
Looking at the following...
A BSA Sweet 22 3-9 x 40 it has an illuminated duplex crosshair... anyone familiar with these? Are they powered, or do they have a sunroof of sorts on them?
Saw a BSA Sweet 22 6-18x x 40mm... Seems like quite a bit of magnification, but is also designed for a 10/22's trajectory and would probably be cool to zoom in on targets with. If anyone is shooting these around 100 yards, do you ever zoom out to 3x or will 6x be fine. (Honestly, I have never put anything into a scope below 300 yards I don't think...)
I love Nikon camera optics... almost reason enough to buy a Nikon in fact. Saw a really nice looking Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40... any experience? Never looked through a Nikon scope.
My gut tells me to run with a 3-9x50 or 40 if the deal is right... will this magnification cut it on 1" steel targets? (I am planning on building my own string-pull reset steel targets and want them smaller than 1" diameter at 100 yards. I am also building a pair of them, so I can race on action fire stuff with my buddies that are building 22's out at 100 yards. Probably five targets per, with a string reset)
Last one is a Simmons Master Series Aetec 2.8-10x44 that looks the most promising. Price is right, good size objective and 1/4 moa increments. Anyone shoot a Simmons?
It seems too cheap to be valuable, but some have liked the Tasco. There is a Tasco World Class 3-9 x 40 with a mil-dot reticle (very comfortable for me... if hugely overkill at 100 yards) for only $50 or so.
I have the BSA Sweet 22 on my ruger 10/22. You’re welcome to try it out after this weekend I'll be in Phoenix. For an affordable scope I'm pretty happy with it. For the 3-400 dollar range Super Snipers are really nice scopes. I plan to put one on my AR and my LTR. I think the SS scopes are built on the Tasco WC design.
Here's a link. http://www.swfa.com/c-231-super-sniper-rifle-scopes.aspx

[Baja Big Dog]

1315: The three original cantons repel an Austrian attack at the Battle of Morgarten and over the Brünig.
1386-1388: The Confederates successfully resist Austrian attacks in the battles of Sempach (1386) and Näfels (1388).
1474-1477: Bern destroys the powerful Duchy of Burgundy in the Burgundian war. The Confederation becomes a great military power and also a source of mercenaries for foreign armies.
1499: In the wake of the Swabian War, the Confederates are able to affirm their independence from the Holy Roman Empire.
1815: After the defeat of France by the European monarchies, three new cantons are added to the Swiss Confederation: Geneva, Valais and Neuchâtel. The privileges of the ancien régime are restored.
A few but none with Firearms :D
But for being known for precision as the Swiss are I would almost bet their production ammunition is better than ours in terms of consistency..
T.
Surprisingly, bullets are not watches!!:D

[YeLLowBoaT]

If you want to hit 1" targets at a 100 yds I would recomend getting something with a very small cross hair or even just a dot( varment scope) that or get a higher power optic then 9 power. how much are you looking to spend?
you may also want to look at the AL barrels from people like Tactical solutions, they are very light and alot cheaper then the carbon barrels.

[Baja Big Dog]

Well, after ten years of procrastinating, I am finally going to build a little hot rod .22.
Found the stock I want, looking for a barrel still. Definitely want a carbon barrel though, since Aud absolutely loved the weight of the carbon barrel 10/22 we handled this weekend.
Turns out she is a lefty though, so we are going to get an ambidextrous stock and get her a good magnification on an optic.
Looking at some scopes right now. Went on midway as per BBD's recommendation and raised a couple of questions.
Looking at the following...
A BSA Sweet 22 3-9 x 40 it has an illuminated duplex crosshair... anyone familiar with these? Are they powered, or do they have a sunroof of sorts on them?
Saw a BSA Sweet 22 6-18x x 40mm... Seems like quite a bit of magnification, but is also designed for a 10/22's trajectory and would probably be cool to zoom in on targets with. If anyone is shooting these around 100 yards, do you ever zoom out to 3x or will 6x be fine. (Honestly, I have never put anything into a scope below 300 yards I don't think...)
I love Nikon camera optics... almost reason enough to buy a Nikon in fact. Saw a really nice looking Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40... any experience? Never looked through a Nikon scope.
My gut tells me to run with a 3-9x50 or 40 if the deal is right... will this magnification cut it on 1" steel targets? (I am planning on building my own string-pull reset steel targets and want them smaller than 1" diameter at 100 yards. I am also building a pair of them, so I can race on action fire stuff with my buddies that are building 22's out at 100 yards. Probably five targets per, with a string reset)
Last one is a Simmons Master Series Aetec 2.8-10x44 that looks the most promising. Price is right, good size objective and 1/4 moa increments. Anyone shoot a Simmons?
It seems too cheap to be valuable, but some have liked the Tasco. There is a Tasco World Class 3-9 x 40 with a mil-dot reticle (very comfortable for me... if hugely overkill at 100 yards) for only $50 or so.
Holy crap....done a little homework??? Ive used them all, except BSA.
The 3-9x40 would be good for what you want, Ive used 6-24's, but anything above 12-14 the gun is so unstable it is unuseable, except on a bench with a good rest, but most of your shooting will be either offhand, or from a car door or truck bed etc.
The objective size will allow more light in when conditions are dim. Because Im a blind old bastard, I need big objectives for better sight!!
When you decide, check out Ebay, great deals on scopes there, make sure they are U.S. scopes and they have warranties.

[Froggystyle]

If you want to hit 1" targets at a 100 yds I would recomend getting something with a very small cross hair or even just a dot( varment scope) that or get a higher power optic then 9 power. how much are you looking to spend?
you may also want to look at the AL barrels from people like Tactical solutions, they are very light and alot cheaper then the carbon barrels.
That is what I was thinking. I am imagining I would have it zoomed in all the time at 100 yds, so a 15x or something might be appropriate... like the second BSA I listed.
I would like to keep the whole project under a grand... preferably in the $800 range. I won't be using the scope for my next project, which is a M-14 accurized and such, so it only needs to work on this one.
They can't be that much cheaper... Carbon barrels are only $169 or so.
I will look up TS though and see what they have. Will Aluminum hold up?

[YeLLowBoaT]

I have been to a few rimfire matchs there is atleast 3 AL barrels for every Carbon barrel. plust you can get them in alot of wild and crazy colors.

[Froggystyle]

Holy crap....done a little homework??? Ive used them all, except BSA.
The 3-9x40 would be good for what you want, Ive used 6-24's, but anything above 12-14 the gun is so unstable it is unuseable, except on a bench with a good rest, but most of your shooting will be either offhand, or from a car door or truck bed etc.
The objective size will allow more light in when conditions are dim. Because Im a blind old bastard, I need big objectives for better sight!!
When you decide, check out Ebay, great deals on scopes there, make sure they are U.S. scopes and they have warranties.
My idea is to have an offhand size set of targets that screw to the prone-sized 1" targets. Offhand will probably be around 2" diameter.
Racing is a blast... five shots, small targets and big relative distances. Pays to be smooth and steady... Fast never gets you anywhere...

[Froggystyle]

I have been to a few rimfire matchs there is atleast 3 AL barrels for every Carbon barrel. plust you can get them in alot of wild and crazy colors.
My wild and crazy color is going to be black... :D

[YeLLowBoaT]

Just remember to get an extend mag release... other wise you will need to have a 3rd arm installed to replace a mag fast.

[Froggystyle]

Back to what is essentially the first post of the thread... I have seen a couple of billet receivers for these things. Would I be better off just buying a billet 10/22 receiver to start with instead of dumping money into a gun that I am not even going to fire before taking apart?
For some reason, that just occurred to me...

[YeLLowBoaT]

I would think if you can get one for under $250 it would be cheaper then buying a gun and having the work done to the receiver.

[Froggystyle]

I would think if you can get one for under $250 it would be cheaper then buying a gun and having the work done to the receiver.
My thoughts exactly... and they come with the scope bases integrated, MUCH higher quality action etc...
Probably still need to buy a trigger group, but if I am doing that anyway... it seems like the way to build this is to do it all in one shot the right way...
Why does that phrase sound strangely familiar?

[Jbb]

Dual shot .22 ...will revolutionize the plinking and varmint industry?...:jawdrop: :p

[YeLLowBoaT]

I know alot of guys love the "Xring" receiver... its got a longer picatinny rail rail then most so you can mount diffrent scopes/ more adjustable. I want to say they are about $300 or so.

[Froggystyle]

Dual shot .22 ...will revolutionize the plinking and varmint industry?...:jawdrop: :p
..by reducing velocity while increasing cost and decreasing durability...
I'm glad I can laugh at this by now... :D

[YeLLowBoaT]

if you had put a ford in it, you would have fixed all of those probs... :D

[Froggystyle]

if you had put a ford in it, you would have fixed all of those probs... :D
You are likely right.
I would have proven to my investors that I lack the mental capacity to continue being funded... :D

[Froggystyle]

I know alot of guys love the "Xring" receiver... its got a longer picatinny rail rail then most so you can mount diffrent scopes/ more adjustable. I want to say they are about $300 or so.
I imagine the trigger group then runs a ton, eh?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Boxer is with one hole. Typical american mil. sup. ammo.
Berdan is the euro type 2 hole primer. It is reloadable but nobody makes a tool to remove the primers. Yet.
RCBS does.
David Cushman loading supplies (http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/rcbsberdaninstructions.html)
Just one available location, as RCBS stuff is available pretty much universally.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I imagine the trigger group then runs a ton, eh?
I don't think you can do much better than VOLQUARTSEN. (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=13844&st=10/22%20trigger&s=)
This one may not be the model you want, but that would be the mfr I'd look very closely at.
A trip to brownells.com followed by a search for VOLQUARTSEN. would give you sooooo many options.

[STV_Keith]

Wes, go to a Bass Pro Shops and look through the glass they have there. Usually have those BSA's and a few others. If you read around the .22 boards, most guys will say BSA stands for "Better Shop Again". I looked through it at the store and was less than impressed. We have a Bass Pro here in Vegas, you can go look there if you want.
I do have a Bushnell Banner scope that would work well for your application...although it's a standard cross-hair. You may or may not like that. I switched to the Mueller for a Mil Dot, but for Audrey, you might prefer the cross-hair. If you do, it's the Bushnell Banner Dusk & Dawn 6-18 x 50mm, adjustable objective. Like new, not a scratch. $100 takes it home. :)
http://www.speedcraving.com/ebay/bushnell6-18x50.jpg

[Froggystyle]

Wes, go to a Bass Pro Shops and look through the glass they have there. Usually have those BSA's and a few others. If you read around the .22 boards, most guys will say BSA stands for "Better Shop Again". I looked through it at the store and was less than impressed. We have a Bass Pro here in Vegas, you can go look there if you want.
I do have a Bushnell Banner scope that would work well for your application...although it's a standard cross-hair. You may or may not like that. I switched to the Mueller for a Mil Dot, but for Audrey, you might prefer the cross-hair. If you do, it's the Bushnell Banner Dusk & Dawn 6-18 x 50mm, adjustable objective. Like new, not a scratch. $100 takes it home. :)
http://www.speedcraving.com/ebay/bushnell6-18x50.jpg
Sold...
I am trying to get up there this week for SEMA, but other things are afoot that may take me overseas for a week or so instead.
Good stuff nonetheless...

[Kindsvater Flat]

Check this site out Froggy...
Cheap Gun Parts (http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/pro08.pl?ref=armedamerica@comcast.net&pg=28594)
Been reading about better results with the Kidd systems and also being cheaper than the Volquartsen stuff.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Next time your in Sac, shoot me a PM will go out and shoot a few rounds of trap or skeet... I've got a just a few( as in 17) 16 ga that need to be shot :D otherwise they are just a bunch of large paper wieghts.

[djunkie]

If you want to hit 1" targets at a 100 yds I would recomend getting something with a very small cross hair or even just a dot( varment scope) that or get a higher power optic then 9 power. how much are you looking to spend?
you may also want to look at the AL barrels from people like Tactical solutions, they are very light and alot cheaper then the carbon barrels.
I agree. I'd actually go up to something like a 4-12x40 or 50. And definately on the smaller crosshairs if you wanna shoot at 100 yards. Some of the cheaper scopes have huge crosshairs and almost cover the target when you look through it.
I got a Swift 4-12x 44 I think on my .17. So far its been a bitchen scope. Cost me a little over 100 bucks. I think they may be more now.

[Froggystyle]

Any of you modders have a stock trigger group you want to sell? Thinking of spending the trigger money on a receiver now...

[djunkie]

This thread needs to die. Now i want to build up my Rem. 597. :rolleyes: :cry: :cry:

[Jbb]

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/16074feelpretty3.jpg

[YeLLowBoaT]

"Is JBB color blind?" "no, he just likes furry pink things"

[YeLLowBoaT]

This thread needs to die. Now i want to build up my Rem. 597. :rolleyes: :cry: :cry:
It could be worse... it could be about custom 1911s...:D

[djunkie]

It could be worse... it could be about custom 1911s...:D
Lets not go there..............

[YeLLowBoaT]

Lets not go there..............
just be glad that no custom shops sale new guns in CA... all have to be modifed...
I know I have alot more cash in my pocket do to that.

[STV_Keith]

Sold...
I am trying to get up there this week for SEMA, but other things are afoot that may take me overseas for a week or so instead.
Good stuff nonetheless...
OK, I'll take it off Craigslist. :) Let me know about SEMA...the spare room is still available if you want to come out. Got a spare key and alarm code all ready to go. I'll be hitting the show Thursday & Friday myself. BTW, my two Saiga 12 gauge AK conversions will be done tomorrow too. ;)
Any of you modders have a stock trigger group you want to sell? Thinking of spending the trigger money on a receiver now...
Wes, take a look at one and shoot one first. I'd say the receiver is wasted money for what you want to do.

[cdog]

RCBS does.
David Cushman loading supplies (http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/rcbsberdaninstructions.html)
Just one available location, as RCBS stuff is available pretty much universally.
Hey thanks. Sure am glad I kept all my SA 308 brass. Not too many people know about this tool yet. I've asked and nobody knew about it.:idea:

[cdog]

I don't think you can do much better than VOLQUARTSEN. (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=13844&st=10/22%20trigger&s=)
This one may not be the model you want, but that would be the mfr I'd look very closely at.
A trip to brownells.com followed by a search for VOLQUARTSEN. would give you sooooo many options.
I just got the midway sale flyer in the mail. They have a trigger group on sale.

[Kindsvater Flat]

Man this is cool....... My threads never go more than 2 pages.:D

[Trash]

For what you want to do I would avoid Tasco and BSA.
At a minimum perhaps a Simmons.
I'd start with the Burris, Bushnell, Weaver or perhaps Leupold. Fine cross hairs are a must. 4-14x40 or 50mm would be a good starting point. I've got a 6-24x50. I'm almost always shooting from a bench and use 8-12x for most shots.
As an aside, try screw a drywall screw into golf balls and hang them at 100 yards off some fishing line.

[Kindsvater Flat]

Just drop the big coin on a Swarovski or Zeiss scope.:eek:
THis one is only $3700.
http://www.kevinscatalog.com/images/ZZ521694.jpg

[Froggystyle]

Wes, iffin you give me about 10 years I think I can come up with the perfect plinker for you. It will have no options cuz everything will be included. Lifetime warrenty on the sling swivel and buttplate. Did I mention that it will have an antirecoil device built right in and never need servicing as long as you only fire 22 lr through it? It will be offered in bright day glo pink so it should be easy to find in the dark and if that don't do it the remote beeper will alert you to it's where abouts when it gets shoved under the seat of your custom Trident motorboat the we'll throw in for free.(matching color of course).
I'm taking deposits now so you can be one of the first!!
$50,000. down and we'll get started with a meager balance of only $129,900. on delivery.:D
Rio's custom plinkers
Well... I'm sold. Not so sure about the pink though. Can we do more of a combat mauve? :D

[Froggystyle]

Wes, take a look at one and shoot one first. I'd say the receiver is wasted money for what you want to do.
You see... that is the way I feel about the stock barrel, trigger group, stock, magazine well and charging handle... :D
Seems like a waste of a lot of pretty good parts. Saw an auction for a stock receiver/triggergroup only for a $155 Buy it now price...
Thinking that may be the deal...

[Baja Big Dog]

Just remember to get an extend mag release... other wise you will need to have a 3rd arm installed to replace a mag fast.
Amen....

[Baja Big Dog]

For what you want to do I would avoid Tasco and BSA.
At a minimum perhaps a Simmons.
I'd start with the Burris, Bushnell, Weaver or perhaps Leupold. Fine cross hairs are a must. 4-14x40 or 50mm would be a good starting point. I've got a 6-24x50. I'm almost always shooting from a bench and use 8-12x for most shots.
As an aside, try screw a drywall screw into golf balls and hang them at 100 yards off some fishing line.
Your gonna need at least 24 power to see that little fishing line arnt you??:D

[Froggystyle]

Your gonna need at least 24 power to see that little fishing line arnt you??:D
I was thinking the same thing... :D

[Trash]

Your gonna need at least 24 power to see that little fishing line arnt you??
I know, don't laugh...The times I've had a target set like that I'd be cursing at myself because I'd either inadvertently cut the line or shoot out the screw. As Murphy would have it I couldn't do it if I tried.

[Froggystyle]

I'm F****d... :D
I am having this guy in NY build a gun from scratch for me as soon as I can swing it. I lack a reasoning filter evidently...
Plus, he is doing four more for some friends who are building them up, so we are getting a great price. These things are going to be sick!
I can't wait to go shooting now!
:D :)

[YeLLowBoaT]

I'm F****d... :D
I am having this guy in NY build a gun from scratch for me as soon as I can swing it. I lack a reasoning filter evidently...
Plus, he is doing four more for some friends who are building them up, so we are getting a great price. These things are going to be sick!
I can't wait to go shooting now!
:D :)
welcome to the sickness. :D

[STV_Keith]

Froggy, do it yourself...more fun that way and you know what makes it tick. :)

[Riverkid]

build one for me about 13 years ago. It shoots under an inch at 100 with good Eley ammo. Amazing what they get for this stuff these days...

[Froggystyle]

Froggy, do it yourself...more fun that way and you know what makes it tick. :)
I know what makes it tick Keith... Not my first rodeo and all...
Don't really have time to build it right now by Thanksgiving...

[STV_Keith]

Don't really have time to build it right now by Thanksgiving...
If you order the parts and buy the base rifle, it would only take an hour or so to completely mod it with all the parts you buy. Do your Ebay/parts vendor searching/buying and install it all one Saturday morning. :)

[STV_Keith]

BTW Wes, remember those Saiga conversions I was telling you about? Well, there done. :D
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Saiga12s/converted-all.jpg
Saiga IZ-109 12 gauge, 19" bbl, Warsaw length stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized;
Saiga IZ-108 12 gauge, 19" bbl, Warsaw length stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized;
Saiga IZ-140 .308 Winchester, 16.5" bbl, ACE shorty stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized
:D :devil:

[Froggystyle]

If you order the parts and buy the base rifle, it would only take an hour or so to completely mod it with all the parts you buy. Do your Ebay/parts vendor searching/buying and install it all one Saturday morning. :)
I did that research, found the parts that I need and found a builder back east that will build that gun for about $150 less than I could, and while he is at it, perform a trigger modification and blueprinting (for lack of better words), install the mag release, install the new takedown pin, mod and oil the new stock, mount the scope etc... and with his buying power, I pay less than on the sale sites, have it professionally built and get to shoot it after the communist 10 day waiting period.
And... I won't have a pile of useless rifle parts laying around that I paid for. :D

[Froggystyle]

BTW Wes, remember those Saiga conversions I was telling you about? Well, there done. :D
http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/guns/Saiga12s/converted-all.jpg
Saiga IZ-109 12 gauge, 19" bbl, Warsaw length stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized;
Saiga IZ-108 12 gauge, 19" bbl, Warsaw length stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized;
Saiga IZ-140 .308 Winchester, 16.5" bbl, ACE shorty stock, AK pistol grip/fire control group, custom parkerized
:D :devil:
Forgive my ignorance... but what is a Saiga, and why do they all look like AK's?

[burbanite]

I did that research, found the parts that I need and found a builder back east that will build that gun for about $150 less than I could... :D
Sounds like a deal, does he have a storefront? You should have a ton of fun with this and I'm sure Audrey will as well, a great platform to learn on.
Perhaps you could give her ownership of the rifle as well, I've seen that make a difference when someone is a new shooter, especially women and children, it makes them share in the responsibility of gun ownership at a different level. This coming from someone who gave his wife an AR15 for a wedding present....:D

[cdog]

Sounds like a deal, does he have a storefront? You should have a ton of fun with this and I'm sure Audrey will as well, a great platform to learn on.
Perhaps you could give her ownership of the rifle as well, I've seen that make a difference when someone is a new shooter, especially women and children, it makes them share in the responsibility of gun ownership at a different level. This coming from someone who gave his wife an AR15 for a wedding present....:D
Way cool. When my little one is old enough I'll assemble a lower just for her.
http://www.bushmaster.com/images/home_feature_images/home4_competition.jpg

[Froggystyle]

Sounds like a deal, does he have a storefront? You should have a ton of fun with this and I'm sure Audrey will as well, a great platform to learn on.
Perhaps you could give her ownership of the rifle as well, I've seen that make a difference when someone is a new shooter, especially women and children, it makes them share in the responsibility of gun ownership at a different level. This coming from someone who gave his wife an AR15 for a wedding present....:D
His storefront is on gunbrokers.com essentially. Once I get the rifles, I will give you an evaluation of them and recommend him if the work is good. Until that happens, I won't promote them just yet.
We ended up doing his and hers for Christmas... :D The first one was always going to be Aud's gun, and we both knew it. She picked the stock, the colors etc... Once she saw how much I was into it and couldn't wait to build the targets and race my buddies... she decided that she wanted to get me one for Christmas as well... so we are building two! :D
Of course, six of my friends got caught up in the frenzy, so if this guy does a good job, he will have four more right behind ours.

[phebus]

Not to pry Wes, but what price range would someone be looking at for one of the built up rifles? And, is it built off a Ruger 10/22, and if not, what base?

[Froggystyle]

Not to pry Wes, but what price range would someone be looking at for one of the built up rifles? And, is it built off a Ruger 10/22, and if not, what base?
Well, things have changed already today and it looks like I will be building them myself again. Somehow a $699 build tuned into $1,500 without a billet receiver or other mods. Should have seen that coming I guess...
I have figured out how to really build one nicely with a great trigger, scope, barrel and stock (the lions share of accuracy mods) for about $800 DIY. Top of the line gear, discount pricing. Part it out and you are looking at $1000.

[STV_Keith]

Forgive my ignorance... but what is a Saiga, and why do they all look like AK's?
Well, they basically are. Saiga is the brand name they are imported under. Izhmash in Russia builds them. Old man Kalashnikov is actually employed there! Anyway, they build lots of stuff on the AK design principles.
What you see above are two of the 12-gauge, mag fed shotguns. They also offer 410 & 20 gauge. The bottom rifle shown is a 7.62x51 (.308). The also offer 5.56x45 (.223), 5.45x39, 7.62x39 and 7.62x63 (.30-06).
Pretty cool and super reliable.

[Froggystyle]

Well, they basically are. Saiga is the brand name they are imported under. Izhmash in Russia builds them. Old man Kalashnikov is actually employed there! Anyway, they build lots of stuff on the AK design principles.
What you see above are two of the 12-gauge, mag fed shotguns. They also offer 410 & 20 gauge. The bottom rifle shown is a 7.62x51 (.308). The also offer 5.56x45 (.223), 5.45x39, 7.62x39 and 7.62x63 (.30-06).
Pretty cool and super reliable.
Sick... an AK shotgun... D

[Seadog]

I have always been a plinker. My Dad taught me on military .22s and my first purchased weapons were a Nylon 66 and a Ruger Mark I I bought in 1972. Both are still good shooters, but I have switched to a Remington 597 for my primary plinker. I love the way it shoots, but need to get a scope so I can try some distance. Mostly anymore, I shoot trap with a pair of H&R break actions (.410 & 20g). I recently bought a 20g Remington 870.

[intense]

Well, things have changed already today and it looks like I will be building them myself again. Somehow a $699 build tuned into $1,500 without a billet receiver or other mods. Should have seen that coming I guess...
I have figured out how to really build one nicely with a great trigger, scope, barrel and stock (the lions share of accuracy mods) for about $800 DIY. Top of the line gear, discount pricing. Part it out and you are looking at $1000.
so what parts are you using?

[Kindsvater Flat]

I went to install my .17 mach II barrel tonight and found the barrel hold down block was cracked. Got football tomorrow but I will save myself $14.00 + shipping and mill one out of steel sunday rather than buy another brittle alum one.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

This coming from someone who gave his wife an AR15 for a wedding present....:D
Why ANYBODY has any fondness for that piece of crap "weapon", and same "piece of crap" self-dirtying to jam-point action design, I'll never understand, and that's after 13 years of "dealing with it" for the govt. :(
I'll NEVER own one myself.:mad:
If given one, it would be INSTANTLY for sale.:idea:
Good prarie dog rifle, under 200 yards, MAYBE.
For the folks that like them, enjoy, the world takes all kinds. :) You are welcome to the one reserved someplace for me.
BTW, I despise that damn Beretta M92 I have to carry too. I have FAR more trust in my 1911A1, both reliability AND stopping power.

[Baja Big Dog]

Why ANYBODY has any fondness for that piece of crap "weapon", and same "piece of crap" self-dirtying to jam-point action design, I'll never understand, and that's after 13 years of "dealing with it" for the govt. :(
I'll NEVER own one myself.:mad:
If given one, it would be INSTANTLY for sale.:idea:
Good prarie dog rifle, under 200 yards, MAYBE.
For the folks that like them, enjoy, the world takes all kinds. :) You are welcome to the one reserved someplace for me.
BTW, I despise that damn Beretta M92 I have to carry too. I have FAR more trust in my 1911A1, both reliability AND stopping power.
Youre gonna have to get some therapy for your "failure to tell what you really feel" problem you have!!!:D

[Baja Big Dog]

Well, things have changed already today and it looks like I will be building them myself again. Somehow a $699 build tuned into $1,500 without a billet receiver or other mods. Should have seen that coming I guess...
I have figured out how to really build one nicely with a great trigger, scope, barrel and stock (the lions share of accuracy mods) for about $800 DIY. Top of the line gear, discount pricing. Part it out and you are looking at $1000.
Well, you came around to the dark side I see!!!:D

[Froggystyle]

so what parts are you using?
Tactical Solutions Aluminum barrel, Volksquarten trigger mods on stock receiver group, TacSol mag release, Boyd's Barracuda stock and I don't think I am going to stray too far from a Leupold scope when it is all said and done. I am looking at pretty much crap scopes below $200, and a nice Leupold is $300... seems like good money after bad below that. I will probably try to find one used.
Aud is pretty much getting the same thing, but with an Evo stock since she is going to shoot left handed.

[Kindsvater Flat]

Hey Kindsvater Flat, Mikey did you get my package yet?
Both learning guides have some exercises that might just help with your skill level.LOL:D
Enjoy,
Rio
Yes I did and its quite interesting to say the least. Thanks.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Youre gonna have to get some therapy for your "failure to tell what you really feel" problem you have!!!:D
That's my BAR (civilian) in .308 Win. :D
I REALLY need a Thompson, for the IDPA "Tactical Rifle" stages that happen from time to time. 100 yards MAX.
Oh, I don't like the 2x pistol grip gangster model either. The GI-style one.:idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Tactical Solutions Aluminum barrel, Volksquarten trigger mods on stock receiver group, TacSol mag release, Boyd's Barracuda stock and I don't think I am going to stray too far from a Leupold scope when it is all said and done. I am looking at pretty much crap scopes below $200, and a nice Leupold is $300... seems like good money after bad below that. I will probably try to find one used.
Aud is pretty much getting the same thing, but with an Evo stock since she is going to shoot left handed.
Sounds like some VERY nice hardware there Froggy. Hope it's a real nail-driver for her and she enjoys shooting it as much as she should.

[Froggystyle]

Two days left on my ten days!
This whole 10 day waiting period I have been cracking up thinking about the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to buy a gun and gets told he has to wait 10 days... to which he responds, "But I'm angry Nooooowwwww...."

[YeLLowBoaT]

Its actually more anal then that Froggy... its 10 24 hour peroids. The DOJ is very anal about it. Thats why most shops do 11 days... The bad part is the DOJ system check ( if the system is up and running) is almost instant. ( averages less then 2 mins) It the DMV check that takes forever. Sadly the DMV check is what kicks out 99% of the people. Normally from ticket they got years ago.

[Kindsvater Flat]

Didn't want to spend 14 bucks so I busted one out on the mill.
http://www.schoutenranch.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_IMG_3054.jpg
http://www.schoutenranch.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_IMG_3055.jpg
You can see the vertical crack in the black part.
http://www.schoutenranch.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_IMG_3059.jpg

[msc5195]

For those of you that have never seen or heard of RB Precision take a look at their web site www.rbprecision.com for the RB Precision designed and built Evolution 10-22 replacement stock system. They will be available again soon. I will be ordering three of them as soon as they are available. Look at the pics attached for some awsome looking guns.
Specifications:
Material: 6061 T6 BILLET aluminum
Coating: Currently offered in Mil spec Hard coat black anodize (like the AR15)
The "Evolution" uses the Ruger 10-22 platform and replaces the stock to accept many AR15 related items.
Unique look and free floating design increases accuracy.
Weighs 2 pounds 4 ounces without a stock (with barrel cover, pistol grip and 7" rail)
The change from Stock to Evolution requires a flat blade screwdriver and 10 minutes or less of your time, the Ruger can be returned to its original stock, unmodified in any way.
The Evolution is modular and can accept a variety of rails in multiple locations, the rails can be used for forward grips (vertical), bipod mounts, lights, Sling adaptors and lasers.
The Evolution is great for smaller frames or children, it can accept ANY AR15 stock including a collapse version so an adult or child can change length of pull in seconds for comfortable shooting. Units we have installed: Ace Skeleton, Boom Tube, M4 Socom, Rock River Arms four and six position collapsible, DPMS, Bushmaster, Lewis Machine, and most other A2 and collapse units.
The Evolution can be used with your existing stock barrel or the bull (.900+) target barrels
The Evolution has a Picatinny rail forward of the standard scope mount, this rail is a perfect match for Aimpoint, EOtech, ATN, Ultradot, BSA, Ziess, Doctor Optics and other red dot optics. A stock scope mount can be used for magnified optics in the receivers factory location.
The stock will come with one Yankee Hill swiveling sling stud on bottom of unit, suitable for bipod or sling mounting, In addition one rail will be supplied this rail can be used in TOP, LEFT, RIGHT or on the BOTTOM of the unit.
Uses factory or High Capacity (check local laws!) aftermarket magazines (Butler Creek, Eagle, Etc)
TECH SPECIFICATIONS:
Largest diameter (barrel area) just under 1 1/4"
Length from end of rece3iver to end of stock 7 1/2"
Overall length 15 3/4"

[msc5195]

More Pics.

[amatosanger]

CZ 17HMR / BRNO 22 MAG / Walther P22 / Browning 243 WSSM
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd233/amatosanger/100_1129.jpg?t=1196033912

[Froggystyle]

OK... here are a couple of pics. We were too busy shooting to get many pics off, but here are a couple of the new rigs.
Audrey's rig...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45208&stc=1&d=1197660773
Mine...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45210&stc=1&d=1197660838
Both of them together...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45209&stc=1&d=1197660806
And one of Aud shooting...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45207&stc=1&d=1197660720
We are having a total blast with these things, and have started to get way back into shooting as a result. I have built a trap here at work and I am giving the old Beeman a workout every day now developing the skill back up. I bought a nice little scope for the airgun and have really started picking up where I left off. Got a couple of my buddies kids involved and now they are getting a nice Beeman for Christmas, and all told we will have about 12 people with nice 10/22's and are going to make it a big part of our trips from now on.
Thanks to everyone for all of the advice. I got some great tips and input from people on here... namely Baja Big Dog, Yellowboat and STV Keith who really went out of their way to make sure I got the right parts, and Trash for recommending the SBRGC to me, which I am now becoming a member of.
This place is pretty cool. We need to get together locally here and go shoot these things.
I have some pretty serious technical issues to overcome with these rifles, but I am going to shoot several more types of ammo through them before I pass judgement.
Thanks again,
Wes

[YeLLowBoaT]

OK... here are a couple of pics. We were too busy shooting to get many pics off, but here are a couple of the new rigs.
Audrey's rig...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45192&stc=1&d=1197653790
Mine...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45194&stc=1&d=1197653824
Both of them together...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45195&stc=1&d=1197653862
And one of Aud shooting...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45196&stc=1&d=1197653929
We are having a total blast with these things, and have started to get way back into shooting as a result. I have built a trap here at work and I am giving the old Beeman a workout every day now developing the skill back up. I bought a nice little scope for the airgun and have really started picking up where I left off. Got a couple of my buddies kids involved and now they are getting a nice Beeman for Christmas, and all told we will have about 12 people with nice 10/22's and are going to make it a big part of our trips from now on.
Thanks to everyone for all of the advice. I got some great tips and input from people on here... namely Baja Big Dog, Yellowboat and STV Keith who really went out of their way to make sure I got the right parts, and Trash for recommending the SBRGC to me, which I am now becoming a member of.
This place is pretty cool. We need to get together locally here and go shoot these things.
I have some pretty serious technical issues to overcome with these rifles, but I am going to shoot several more types of ammo through them before I pass judgement.
Thanks again,
Wes
red xs
BTW my exp that sub sonic are more accurate then "high" power shells. .

[Froggystyle]

red xs
BTW my exp that sub sonic are more accurate then "high" power shells. .
Really? It is hosted on ***boat.... click on the links at the bottom of the page and see if you can see it. I have no problem seeing the pics...
The "high power" shells I am using are Remington yellow jackets so far. What a chunk of garbage they are. Probably 1-2% have had no lead in them, another 10% minimum are finger loose on the casing, meaning you can easily spin the lead with your fingers in the case.
Not cool. I have bought some Velocitors and some Ehly (sp?) rounds I will try this weekend. It throws the first round by about 7+ minutes no matter what. Not just cold bore inaccuracy, but even after only waiting five minutes or so, it just chucks it. I am thinking that it has something to do with not picking up the round during a cycle, but rather picking it up manually. It won't eject an unspent round either. Meaning, you have one left in the chamber and want to remove it... you pull back on the charging handle and it won't extract normally. You either need to get a tool in there or just fire it. Tough to imagine that is normal.
That said, written on the side of Screamin Pete's Shaw barrel is "unfired rounds may not extract" or something to that effect. Maybe it has something to do with the target barrel.
Other than the first shot, this thing is a sub-minute gun easily. My buddy, a sniper and I were shooting at 100 yards with a 10 round slow, ten round in ten second course of fire and we were both shooting 197+ every round. We would discount the first thrown shot from each mag. At 100 yards slow fire, we were keeping .75" groups even with shitty rounds.

[Riverkid]

you fixed it...
Mine shoots Best with Eley Tenex or the Eley Pistol Match ammo...

[Screaming Pete]

red x ......me too

[YeLLowBoaT]

yellow jackets are known for being not the best when it comes to accuracy, but gd they do alot of damage when they hit.
I'm also not a fan of the higher power CCI stuff( there lower power stuff works well...) for one its $$$$ and 2 I have never found a auto that "loved it" works great in bolt actions or revolers, but autos just don't seem to like it.( think part of that is the flat nose on most of them, they don't get a proper feed 100% of the time) The Eley stuff I have not tried.
I know varment hunters that swear by the Fiocchi( spl?) stuff.
My CZ is well under 1/2" at 50 yds( low .3XX) using the lapua master L match stuff, but its about $10 a box... so it does not see very much of it. also does really well with the Win super X 40 grainers.
When I'm just going out to have some fun, I pick up ether the Rem or the american egale( federal) standard ammo... which ever one is one sale.( both right in the 10-12 per brick)
I stay away from the CCI blazer...its dirty, very dirty.( not to mention lead fowling becomes a prob) I would also never run the wolf stuff thru any gun I own...
next time your in sac give me a buzz... I've got a bunch of Shot guns in need of some love... just don't have time to get to all of them any more. does not help that they closed the Sac trap club( thank you mel rapton honda... damn bastard)... now its ether rancho crodva range or sac valley... bother are more then a hour from my house.

[Froggystyle]

Weird on the Red X's... They posted fine for me, but there were no attachments shown on the pics. Hmmmm...
Either way, I re-uploaded them. Can you see them now?

[Froggystyle]

yellow jackets are known for being not the best when it comes to accuracy, but gd they do alot of damage when they hit.
I'm also not a fan of the higher power CCI stuff( there lower power stuff works well...) for one its $$$$ and 2 I have never found a auto that "loved it" works great in bolt actions or revolers, but autos just don't seem to like it.( think part of that is the flat nose on most of them, they don't get a proper feed 100% of the time) The Eley stuff I have not tried.
I know varment hunters that swear by the Fiocchi( spl?) stuff.
I plan on shooting every brand and style I can find through them until I get something happy, then buying bricks of it at the gun show.
I need a good way to store and use .22 ammo... The bricks are dumb in the boxes, and I have them in a portable nylon dog food bowl right now which is good, but won't keep them from banging each other up. It is good for the field though.

[mondorally]

Yep. Worked that time. Love the coloring on your stock.

[Froggystyle]

Yep. Worked that time. Love the coloring on your stock.
Thanks... They look way cooler in person believe it or not...

[cdog]

You guy's see this..
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=www.germansportguns.de/index.php%3Fid%3D10120%26kat_id%3D567%26p_id%3D172 9&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGSG-5%2BMP5%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
http://www.germansportguns.de/pics4all/upload/p4718c0_GSG-5.jpg

[YeLLowBoaT]

I plan on shooting every brand and style I can find through them until I get something happy, then buying bricks of it at the gun show.
I need a good way to store and use .22 ammo... The bricks are dumb in the boxes, and I have them in a portable nylon dog food bowl right now which is good, but won't keep them from banging each other up. It is good for the field though.
the better stuff comes in plastic that holds them seperate. or you can buy these... just a PITA to fill if your planing on going out and shooting several hundred rounds (http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=1&Categoryid=11409&categorystring=9315***683***10831***11408***)

[mondorally]

I plan on shooting every brand and style I can find through them until I get something happy, then buying bricks of it at the gun show.
I need a good way to store and use .22 ammo... The bricks are dumb in the boxes, and I have them in a portable nylon dog food bowl right now which is good, but won't keep them from banging each other up. It is good for the field though.
FWIW I've always had trouble with the Remington .22's - everything you described.... every few years I'll give them another try and regret it every time.
For cheap .22 ammo I've had great luck with American Eagle (one of Federal's brands).

[Riverkid]

How do you like that stock?

[cdog]

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/browseammo.aspx?c=95&s=903

[Riverkid]

You guy's see this..
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=www.germansportguns.de/index.php%3Fid%3D10120%26kat_id%3D567%26p_id%3D172 9&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGSG-5%2BMP5%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
http://www.germansportguns.de/pics4all/upload/p4718c0_GSG-5.jpg
I have the nine. A .22 would be sick. Pretty sure they won't let them import them here, though. :(

[cdog]

I have the nine. A .22 would be sick. Pretty sure they won't let them import them here, though. :(
Yes, their available after February. .22/ rim fire is allowed under the import ban. Their priced at $500. Not to bad.:D Get this! I think they'll be CA legal as well since rim fire is not included in the AWB and they are available with a 10 round mag.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Yes, their available after February. .22/ rim fire is allowed under the import ban. Their priced at $500. Not to bad.:D Get this! I think they'll be CA legal as well since rim fire is not included in the AWB and they are available with a 10 round mag.
just as long as it can not be converted to another calibur and has 10 round or less mags.... so for example a AR( any make) lower and a 22 conv upper is still illegal when its asymeboled... can be in 2 parts and its perfectly legal to own... fooking CA laws are funny.
I really like what ronnie barret did... not only about the telling CA LEOs to fook off, your not getting my weapons... but also for what he did with the 417 Barret round... not only is it legal in CA, but it delivers more engery at 1000 yds then the 50 BMG :D ... wish there was more poepl like him

[Froggystyle]

How do you like that stock?
Love it for offhand and sling-fire. It is good for sitting as well, prone gets a little awkward, and in the prone and bench-rest configuration you tend to be more inclined to drag wood when pulling the trigger. You have to put your hand in a strange position to keep from doing it... like.... not gripping the stock.
Don't get me wrong, it is still easy-day, and I like it better than a traditional. I would buy it again.

[cdog]

just as long as it can not be converted to another calibur and has 10 round or less mags.... so for example a AR( any make) lower and a 22 conv upper is still illegal when its asymeboled... can be in 2 parts and its perfectly legal to own... fooking CA laws are funny.
I really like what ronnie barret did... not only about the telling CA LEOs to fook off, your not getting my weapons... but also for what he did with the 417 Barret round... not only is it legal in CA, but it delivers more engery at 1000 yds then the 50 BMG :D ... wish there was more poepl like him
There is. DPMS and others are denying sales to cops as well. DPMS was just bought out by the same company that owns Remington, Cobb, Bushmaster and now DPMS. I think the AR lowers have to be rim fire cal only to stay out of sticky situations.
DPMS Acquired By Cerberus Capital Management Affiliate
St. Clour, Minnesota, DPMS, a leading supplier of AR15 based rifles, parts and accessories announced today that its assets have been acquired by an affiliate of Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.
Randy Luth, DPMS founder and President, remarked, "We were looking for a partner that could enhance our expertise in operations and further develop our sales and marketing capabilities. Cerberus is a partner that can help us in those areas and provide the financial and operational resources required to expand our business. We look forward to working with them. After starting this business 21 years ago, I couldn't be more excited about our prospects for the future, both in terms of the growth we believe we can achieve and the level of satisfaction and value we can provide to our customers."
In connection with the transaction, Mr. Luth will remain President of the newly formed DPMS Firearms, LLC and will continue to oversee the strategic and operational aspects of DPMS. Added Mr. Luth, "I would like to thank our employees, first and foremost. Their hard work, and the support of our dedicated customers, has brought us to where we are today. As we look forward, we see increased interest in our new calibers, based on the proven DPMS 'LR' rifle platform. With our technical expertise and the commitment of our new owners, we intend to broaden the breadth and depth of our rifle and accessories offerings to current and new markets. We will continue to provide not only great value to our loyal customers, but also the high level of customer service we are known for."
The March Group, a private investment banking firm based in Nashville, TN, acted as financial advisor to DPMS. Principal Brantley Kemp was responsible for managing the transaction and advising DPMS on its strategic alternatives.
About DPMS Firearms, LLC
Headquartered in St. Cloud, Minnesota, DPMS Firearms, LLC manufactures and distributes a complete line of AR15 based rifles and components, as well as rifle platforms in other calibers. DPMS systems are in use by law enforcement agencies, military personnel and civilians worldwide, including the U.S. Border Patrol, security agencies in Iraq, the Jordanian army, America's top competitive shooters and big game hunters.

[Riverkid]

Love it for offhand and sling-fire. It is good for sitting as well, prone gets a little awkward, and in the prone and bench-rest configuration you tend to be more inclined to drag wood when pulling the trigger. You have to put your hand in a strange position to keep from doing it... like.... not gripping the stock.
Don't get me wrong, it is still easy-day, and I like it better than a traditional. I would buy it again.
Only time I shoot prone is getting the scope dialed. Way more fun to shoot those things offhand... :)

[YeLLowBoaT]

STI also just told LEOs in CA to shove it...( told the rest of us years ago)
I wish every manufactor of hang guns would do the same over the micro stamp BS all would be great... but that is what they want any ways... no guns in CA. still cops not being able to buy guns would sure change thier tune.

[Froggystyle]

Only time I shoot prone is getting the scope dialed. Way more fun to shoot those things offhand... :)
Plus any dolt can benchrest. Minimal skill and quite a bit of patience are all that is required to benchrest.
That said, plinking out at 100 yards at a 1 minute target requires a rest. I bought bipods for that in fact.
A 22 at 100 yards at 1" starts getting challenging again... especially if you don't know how you are missing... :D
You will notice in the other pics of Aud's gun that it is an ambidextrous stock. Works pretty well too...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45209&stc=1&d=1197660806

[Riverkid]

Plus any dolt can benchrest. Minimal skill and quite a bit of patience are all that is required to benchrest.
That said, plinking out at 100 yards at a 1 minute target requires a rest. I bought bipods for that in fact.
A 22 at 100 yards at 1" starts getting challenging again... especially if you don't know how you are missing... :D
You will notice in the other pics of Aud's gun that it is an ambidextrous stock. Works pretty well too...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45209&stc=1&d=1197660806
To get crazy from the bench. Believe me. I have found this doesn't quite work hunting...:) I shot an antelope at 567 yards and guide thought I was crazy right until the bullet hit. I like accuracy and everything shoots here pretty good. Want to shoot some .45's too? :D :D

[Baja Big Dog]

To get crazy from the bench. Believe me. I have found this doesn't quite work hunting...:) I shot an antelope at 567 yards and guide thought I was crazy right until the bullet hit. I like accuracy and everything shoots here pretty good. Want to shoot some .45's too? :D :D
567 yards!!!! You are the "MAN"!!Thats my style, love the long hard to make shots, pisses off some people as cruel to the animal, my response is its cruel only if you miss!!! Best shot, about 425 yards on a coyote, 22-250 with no wind, one shot. Worst shot, rattlesnake at about 5 feet, 18 shots from the 357!!! Finally beat it with a shovel!!!

[Baja Big Dog]

OK... here are a couple of pics. We were too busy shooting to get many pics off, but here are a couple of the new rigs.
Audrey's rig...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45208&stc=1&d=1197660773
Mine...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45210&stc=1&d=1197660838
Both of them together...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45209&stc=1&d=1197660806
And one of Aud shooting...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45207&stc=1&d=1197660720
We are having a total blast with these things, and have started to get way back into shooting as a result. I have built a trap here at work and I am giving the old Beeman a workout every day now developing the skill back up. I bought a nice little scope for the airgun and have really started picking up where I left off. Got a couple of my buddies kids involved and now they are getting a nice Beeman for Christmas, and all told we will have about 12 people with nice 10/22's and are going to make it a big part of our trips from now on.
Thanks to everyone for all of the advice. I got some great tips and input from people on here... namely Baja Big Dog, Yellowboat and STV Keith who really went out of their way to make sure I got the right parts, and Trash for recommending the SBRGC to me, which I am now becoming a member of.
This place is pretty cool. We need to get together locally here and go shoot these things.
I have some pretty serious technical issues to overcome with these rifles, but I am going to shoot several more types of ammo through them before I pass judgement.
Thanks again,
Wes
Wes..what scope did you end with on yours??

[Riverkid]

We should go sometime and do a HB shoot... The prado range is good for clays, too... :)

[STV_Keith]

Look good Wes, I'm sure you're having fun. Did you get your paperwork in the mail?

[intense]

whats it cost to build one like Auds?

[Froggystyle]

Wes..what scope did you end with on yours??
A Bushnell Trophy 6-18x40. So far so good. Adjustable objective, nice scope.
Aud's scope is garbage, but she wanted silver and nothing worth a shit really came in silver until you got into the very expensive scopes. So, she got a Silver Simmons 3-9x40. Still have a Bushnell Trophy 6-18x40 that I bought for her and she didn't like the color (matte black)
whats it cost to build one like Auds?
Both were essentially $900 each or so. The build itself was about $600 each give or take, but we have another $75 into Harris bipods, $50 into slings and swivels, $50 into Leupold scope mounts and rings, $40 into TacSol mag releases (not in the pics, but on them now) $40 DROS paperwork and Aud's was another $20 for silver, but my stock was an extra $20 for the skelotonized cheek area.
Look good Wes, I'm sure you're having fun. Did you get your paperwork in the mail?
Sure did. Thanks for that Keith...

[STV_Keith]

Aud's scope is garbage, but she wanted silver and nothing worth a shit really came in silver until you got into the very expensive scopes. So, she got a Silver Simmons 3-9x40. Still have a Bushnell Trophy 6-18x40 that I bought for her and she didn't like the color (matte black)
Sure did. Thanks for that Keith...
No prob. :) Also, take a look at the Mueller scopes (like what I have) - they offer several of them in silver now.

[cdog]

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:D :D :D

[djunkie]

A Bushnell Trophy 6-18x40. So far so good. Adjustable objective, nice scope.
Aud's scope is garbage, but she wanted silver and nothing worth a shit really came in silver until you got into the very expensive scopes. So, she got a Silver Simmons 3-9x40. Still have a Bushnell Trophy 6-18x40 that I bought for her and she didn't like the color (matte black)
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Hey Wes if you'd like to get a better scope that comes in Silver maybe take a look at Swift. At the time I bought this one it was around $100 but its been a while. So far this thing has been awesome. Its a 4-12x40.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45382&stc=1&d=1197884311

[Froggystyle]

Hey Wes if you'd like to get a better scope that comes in Silver maybe take a look at Swift. At the time I bought this one it was around $100 but its been a while. So far this thing has been awesome. Its a 4-12x40.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45382&stc=1&d=1197884311
Looks nice! Adjustable objective, good magnification... May just do that.
The Simmons isn't terrible, but I really would have liked some additional magnification. It shoots straight enough I guess...

[djunkie]

Looks nice! Adjustable objective, good magnification... May just do that.
The Simmons isn't terrible, but I really would have liked some additional magnification. It shoots straight enough I guess...
Well I've been looking for my scope online and I have a feeling its discontinued. Also I noticed that the price of these things have gone through the roof. I think I got it from this place. http://www.eabco.com/Swift01.htm Mine is the Premier model 676 I think. It looks like they may have discontinued the silver one though. :( :(