I yelled at a homeless guy...

[Racer277]

I'm at the light to the freeway on lunch.
The usual vietnam/grenada/kuwait vet ( :rolleyes: yeah right) is there with his sign asking for cash. Walking around in the lanes right in front of him is a small dog, just waiting to get hit. I roll down my window and yell "Hey Mother****er! If you had enough compassion to get that dog out of the street, I'd give you $20!" :mad: Of course he just looked at me, like I will look at him everytime from now on.
Shit, occasionally I'm good for a cup of coffee for someone, but now I'm pissed. :mad:
Just had to let that out.

[MKEELINE]

We have the same guys up here. The other day I'm heading home and I see a guy, who's always on the same corner, whip out a cell phone and start chatting. WTF....the phone was even nicer than mine.

[Wake Havasu]

I am so old, that I can remeber when we used to call them "bums".

[MKEELINE]

I am so old, that I can remeber when we used to call them "bums".
That's probably alot closer to the truth. Most of these guys aren't homeless, they are just bums that would rather beg than work. They need to supplement their unemployment, disability,etc.

[Biglue]

I have seen them gather up right off the center divider all cheery and shit. Once they get onto the center divider they pan handle off of they put on the "feel pitty for me" face. Amazing how people dont realize they are being taken advatage of.

[Brewzed]

I never give those guys money anymore. One time a window washer guy was working around Tyler mall. He asked if I wanted my windows washed. I gave him a 5 spot, because he asked before he threw his squeegy up on my windshield and sent set him on his way. The fool pulls out a bigger wad of cash than I have ever had in my pocket and tucks my 5 away. Not a bad gig.

[Captain Dan]

I've talked to a few of these guys when their sign said they were hungry - on several occasions I offered to buy them lunch. The one's that really needed the food took me up on it, the others just wanted cash and got nothing.

[soupersonic]

After about a 14 hour day i stopped to get some beer on the way home and got hit the "could i spare some change" speil.He had on Nike Airs and sittin on a $300 mountain bike. WTF? Then one day this guy sitting around in front of a grocery store entrance begging for change with the homeless and god bless sign gets into a BMW and drives off. Lmao i saw him everyday for a week, that corner must pay well.There was also an article in the local paper some time ago about college students panhandling their way thru college making $50 g's a year.

[hotsand65]

My husband was attacked at a Tommy's drive through window by a homeless man with a beer bottle because he wanted my husband's money - of course Jeff fought back and let's just say ruffed him up a bit, manager called the police and they told Jeff not to press charges because the homeless guy can press charges and have him arrested and all that would happen with the homeless guy is that he would spend a warm night in jail with a free meal - drove off - Jeff went the the emergency room for stitches!!

[Jordy]

Wow, you feel better now you big meanie??? Yelling at someone who is down on their luck give you that manly rush??? :D :D :D
I think panhandling would be a great second job. Just dirty up a bit and go stand on the corner. Figure if you can get a couple bucks out of every other change of the light, you can pull an easy $20 an hour TAX FREE!!!! I'm starting tomorrow. Works better with kids though. Anyone want to pay me to babysit??? Triple my income right there. :D :D :D

[Mardonzi]

Back in the dark ages when I was a contractor in Utah,, tried to hire a couple of them with the "will work for food signs". One of the guys said they would rather just have the cash, if I didn't mind. Ever since then, I have ZERO sympathy for them.
The only one that beats that was driving through El Paso years ago in a Tractor Trailer rig,, Women and kids would stand on the corner and if you got stuck at a red light, the woman would sic the kids on the truck, begging for money. Of course the light turns green and you can't go because you have kids climbing all over your truck so you have to pay. I was later told that some of the veteran drivers would carry a couple of rolls of nickels and throw them out of the window. Kids would jump down to get the cash and they would drive off. Pretty sad to use kids like that.

[Jordy]

Of course the light turns green and you can't go because you have kids climbing all over your truck...
And???? I think it would only take one time getting taken for a ride to a new location and they'd never do that again. Problem solved. :D

[Mardonzi]

And???? I think it would only take one time getting taken for a ride to a new location. Problem solved. :D
yeah,, but they probably make a nasty mess,, hell on the chrome I'm sure

[Jordy]

yeah,, but they probably make a nasty mess,, hell on the chrome I'm sure
So you just pay the next homeless guy to wash it off. Why do I always have to think of everything??? :D :D :D

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

I used to keep job apps on my dashboard that I'd hand out if approached.
LOL That's what I do. I give them Jeff's business card and tell them to call the office for a job. He can always use ditch fillers and go-fers. They usually kinda sneer the word "thanks" and then go back to bumming. But hey, I did my duty and offered them a job. Now they should do theirs and quit being parasites. Don't get me wrong. I have offered food to folks who are homeless before, but they didn't ask. I have no problem helping those in need. However, once someone asks for a handout with nothing in return, they lose all respectability.

[Mardonzi]

So you just pay the next homeless guy to wash it off. Why do I always have to think of everything??? :D :D :D
I'm sorry,, this stint in New Mexico has killed the proactivity node....
Guess I'll just have to go have a couple of beers and try to jump start it...

[Racer277]

Wow, you feel better now you big meanie???
Yeah, I did feel better! :D

[Chico&Zeus]

The best one I ever saw was on the corner of Hayden and Indian Bend, I'm in the Left hand turn lane behind a car that is waiting at the light. There's this BUM walking up and down, realizing that he isn't going to get sh!t. The Arrow turns green and all of the sudden the guy in front of me whips about three bucks in pennies right into the BUM's face and peels out...the BUM almost falls into traffic!!! He's yelling and cursing, but the way I see it, he was begging for money and someone finally gave it to him!!! :rollside:

[mendo247]

went to lunch last week with my boss and his daughter picked up some subway... pulled up to the stop sign and there was a guy there with his kid saying "anything helps broke and hungry".. my bosses daughter opens her sandwhich and gives the guy a six in sandwhich and a bag of chips... were driving away and a i can tell my boss get really pissy and quiet all of a sudden.. we drop his kid off and he procceds to tell me he watched the guy from his rear view mirror throw the sandwhich and bag of chips away in the bushes... as we pass buy on the way back to the shop my boss called him over and reemed him out quietly so his kid sitting on the sidewalk wouldnt hear him but all the guy said was "we can buy our own food we just want cash"..lol

[Extreme Marine Az]

I'm a big fan of cruising by em at about 60mph and tossing em a roll of pennies :crossx: :crossx:

[Mrs.Racer277]

Wow, you feel better now you big meanie??? Yelling at someone who is down on their luck give you that manly rush??? :D :D :D
I think panhandling would be a great second job. Just dirty up a bit and go stand on the corner. Figure if you can get a couple bucks out of every other change of the light, you can pull an easy $20 an hour TAX FREE!!!! I'm starting tomorrow. Works better with kids though. Anyone want to pay me to babysit??? Triple my income right there. :D :D :D
Take one of your dogs and sit on a corner. I always feel sorry for the animals. :)

[Biglue]

One day I was up in I think Stockton and my gf and I went to eat some breakfast at Dennys. Not the nicest place but the options were very limited. Anyhow, after breakfast we walked out and there were three guys standing outside. I told my gf to just keep walking. Anyhow, one of the guys asked me for some change and I sad no. He said something about taking it from me. At that point I told the gf to get in the car as one of the guys approached me. I said F THAT and walked right towards him and repeated myself. He said "Man I was just playing" and shook my hand. Thinking back it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do but it worked out well. If he would have pulled out a knife or gun it would have been very nasty. One of us would have been going to the hospital. I probably won't do that again but you never know until it actually happens. I hate friggin' panhandlers with a passion.
A trunk lid or car hood to his chest would make his ass think twice the next time.

[Biglue]

Take one of your dogs and sit on a corner. I always feel sorry for the animals. :)
Jordy's just gonna give him fleas Dia. :crossx:

[Biglue]

LOL...I hear you but I was out in the open behind the truck as I wanted my gf to get clear and in the truck.
Prolly just some young punks that were going to prey on someone's fear. It's the way they work. You actually being proactively agressive foiled his attempt. LOL

[Devilman]

Piss on the homeless.
I asked one "homeless" lady at an intersection one day while waiting for the light to change:
Did she create the sign she was holding, "Please help" or "Will work for food" or whatever the hell it said. When she said, "Yes" I asked her since she could obviously read & write, why didn't she take her ass into the store she was hanging out in front of & fill out an application?
She was, to say the least, a little pissed. :rolleyes: Now, when approached for "anything I can spare", I just tell 'em, "Sorry, just spent the last money I had on this case of beer & Slim Jims"....

[Mandelon]

There was a guy who begged near the freeway offramp by our house. He rode the bus over every day.... :rolleyes:

[RitcheyRch]

One guy in the SFV had a sign that said he was hungry. Went to McDonalds and bought a hamburger, fries and a soda for him. When handed it to him he threw it on the ground. They want people to feel sorry for them. They dont want food or jobs. They want the money.
I've talked to a few of these guys when their sign said they were hungry - on several occasions I offered to buy them lunch. The one's that really needed the food took me up on it, the others just wanted cash and got nothing.

[Devilman]

Here ya go. Get tough with the "homeless" :rolleyes: morons....
Dallas Gets Tough on the Homeless (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11749308/from/RS.5/)

[bchbum]

Okay 2 homeless stories , 1 good 1 bad : my buddy was eating at a fast food place ,a homeless lady asked for $ for food . He gave a $ 10 bill , she went inside bought food came out gave him the change back . He told her to keep it .
Now the bad one : Early today at the Belmont Pool in Long Beach , an under 20 year old homless guy hung himself from the railing for the outside staircase . It was very cold last nite ,cold & hungry he had enough .This is part of the area I work everyday .This guy was around alot & never really bugged anyone .

[Schiada76]

Okay 2 homeless stories , 1 good 1 bad : my buddy was eating at a fast food place ,a homeless lady asked for $ for food . He gave a $ 10 bill , she went inside bought food came out gave him the change back . He told her to keep it .
Now the bad one : Early today at the Belmont Pool in Long Beach , an under 20 year old homless guy hung himself from the railing for the outside staircase . It was very cold last nite ,cold & hungry he had enough .This is part of the area I work everyday .This guy was around alot & never really bugged anyone .
There's bums and there's the crazy people. The crazy people need to be institutionalized. The fcn aclu says we can't, so they suffer on the street.
I have an office on Ventura Blvd and watch these poor people wander by every day, they don't beg and they don't bother anyone. They should however be in a "home" and taken care of.
The bums should be put on chain gangs. :crossx:

[Red Horse]

They are homeless and bums because they choose to be. If someone truly down on his luck approched me when I was in my yard and asked to do something around my house, wash the truck, clean the garage I would do it. Prolly pay him pretty well too. The rest of em are the because they are lazy!!! :cool:

[GHT]

I'm at the light to the freeway on lunch.
The usual vietnam/grenada/kuwait vet ( :rolleyes: yeah right) is there with his sign asking for cash. Walking around in the lanes right in front of him is a small dog, just waiting to get hit. I roll down my window and yell "Hey Mother****er! If you had enough compassion to get that dog out of the street, I'd give you $20!" :mad: Of course he just looked at me, like I will look at him everytime from now on.
Shit, occasionally I'm good for a cup of coffee for someone, but now I'm pissed. :mad:
Just had to let that out.
I would appreciate you not cursing at me like that again. And by the way my dog has enough sense to move out of the way of cars and trucks.... :)
Can't believe some of those losers... :crossx: :mad:

[pixilatedpussy]

I'm at the light to the freeway on lunch.
The usual vietnam/grenada/kuwait vet ( :rolleyes: yeah right) is there with his sign asking for cash. Walking around in the lanes right in front of him is a small dog, just waiting to get hit. I roll down my window and yell "Hey Mother****er! If you had enough compassion to get that dog out of the street, I'd give you $20!" :mad: Of course he just looked at me, like I will look at him everytime from now on.
Shit, occasionally I'm good for a cup of coffee for someone, but now I'm pissed. :mad:
Just had to let that out.
Tuff day at work hunny????? :crossx: LOL! I love ya baby! :rollside: :rollside:

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

BTW, I'm sure many of you have seen the bum that stands out at the offramp of Beaumont Blvd/Hwy79 as you're coming home from the river. Last time we drove by this intersection, we saw another bum (bum #2) coming across the crosswalk from McD's with two big bags of food. We thought "oh, they are a team and he's coming to relieve bum #1. Wrong. Bum #2 just keeps on walking, not even acknowledging bum #1 and walks down to a trail that we just now noticed. It appears that in the triangle of the offramp, with all of the trees and shrubbery, they have a homeless camp there. We could barely make out some structures in the bushes. They must take turns working the corner traffic of people coming home from the river or desert.

[MagicMtnDan]

I think they prefer the term "hobos."
Hey SB, what's "hobos" some made up Espanol word? The plural of hobo is "hoboes" if you choose to use it.

[Schiada76]

My favorite bum story occurred years ago when a bum came up to my friend sitting in my truck right when we pulled up to the bank. Bob's writing a check when the bum comes up to his window to hit him up for some cash, Bob says go away, bum cops attitude, bum gets maced. :D
He was still sitting on the curb whining when we came out of the bank. :crossx:

[HighRoller]

I'm at the light to the freeway on lunch.
The usual vietnam/grenada/kuwait vet ( :rolleyes: yeah right) is there with his sign asking for cash. Walking around in the lanes right in front of him is a small dog, just waiting to get hit. I roll down my window and yell "Hey Mother****er! If you had enough compassion to get that dog out of the street, I'd give you $20!" :mad: Of course he just looked at me, like I will look at him everytime from now on.
Shit, occasionally I'm good for a cup of coffee for someone, but now I'm pissed. :mad:
Just had to let that out.
I guess we don't have to wonder where Frenchie is anymore :220v:
My favorite homeless story is the guy who had a sign saying "just got hired, won't receive first check for 2 weeks". That sounded good enough...Until I rolled by the same spot three weeks later and found the same guy with the same sign. I pretty much told him he was full of crap because I saw him three weeks earlier and he said, "Naw. Musta been someone else".
Also, the wanna-be homeless on the other side of town have the panhandling game down to a science. There were four of them who worked two opposing off ramps five days a week. Never a weekend, though. (Must have been a union gig)Anyways, it soon became comical to see the lengths they went to to manipulate people. On three consecutive days I saw the same guy with three different "props"; a crutch, an arm sling an eye patch. If you looked on top of the freeway embankment you could see where they parked their bikes and had a nice cooler and lawn chairs set up for break time. And they were good at recruiting too. Their team had a midget and a guy with one leg. I figure they made a lot of money from the libs around here. One day I asked the guy how they could afford cigarettes and sunglasses if they were broke. He got mad and said he plucked butts from ashtrays, even as the top of a Marlboro box was visible in his shirt pocket....

[WaTchTheGelCoat]

I almost gave a guy money once. Me and a friend were going to the casino, on the offramp by the casino I see a guy asking for money. I felt bad considering I was going to gamble (almost gave him money but had a weird feeling about him) sure enough, about an hour later, who do I see waiting to play poker? The guy begginng for money on the corner. I called him out on it and made security kick his ass out.

[phebus]

For Sale- one camo jacket, and one dog. I'm tired of this gig, and all you haters. :mad:

[Get415]

so where u located on Ventura...Maybe i can swing by and shew them away from your business...i think they are a pain in the ass but one of my partners has a hard-on for escorting "Hoboes" to a new location with a bed and really tasty jail burritos... :crossx:

[Schiada76]

so where u located on Ventura...Maybe i can swing by and shew them away from your business...i think they are a pain in the ass but one of my partners has a hard-on for escorting "Hoboes" to a new location with a bed and really tasty jail burritos... :crossx:
Naw these guys are straight up mentally ill. They just shuffle past sometimes carrying on quite animated conversations with themselves. They never ask anyone for anything or bother anyone. They don't hang out, just pass by the store front. The american criminal liberties union won't let the govt take care of them unless they "pose a threat to themselves or others". Are you LEO?

[CA Stu]

Some of you tough guys are just a bit mean and bad natured :mad: , some of you are angry about your penis size :mad: :mad: , and some of you really need to get laid :mad: :cry: :mad: .
May I offer you this to wrap your head around:
Charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4:8
I give $5 or $10 when I've got some extra beer money.
If it helps out one person out of 100, I've helped another person.
If the other 99 spend it on booze or dope, that's on them.
I can't lose.
Peace
CA Stu
PS Believe it or not, some people do actually need a leg up from time to time.
PPS "Love thy neighbor" isn't just a corny catch phrase.

[Get415]

l.e. the problem with the mentals is they go to a hospital on a hold for a max of 72 hrs. Then its back to chasing hippos down Ventura bl. oh well, so long as they dont bother anybody.

[CA Stu]

Now the bad one : Early today at the Belmont Pool in Long Beach , an under 20 year old homless guy hung himself from the railing for the outside staircase . It was very cold last nite ,cold & hungry he had enough .This is part of the area I work everyday .This guy was around alot & never really bugged anyone .
According to most of the replies in this thread, he was lazy and/or had it coming.
Sad, and pathetic to pick on the downtrodden and less fortunate.
You all should be ashamed.
Any of you go look in the mirror lately?
Thanks
CA Stu <-- just shaking my head in disgust.

[phebus]

Some of you tough guys are just a bit mean and bad natured :mad: , some of you are angry about your penis size :mad: :mad: , and some of you really need to get laid :mad: :cry: :mad:
You just described me to a tee. Please send beer money. :)

[CA Stu]

You just described me to a tee. Please send beer money. :)
Wait for me at the Main Street on ramp, westbound 91. I'll throw ya a 5 spot.
Thanks
CA Stu

[Schiada76]

l.e. the problem with the mentals is they go to a hospital on a hold for a max of 72 hrs. Then its back to chasing hippos down Ventura bl. oh well, so long as they dont bother anybody.
Get415
When I see these guys near a store or burger joint I ask them if they want something to eat or drink, they always say yes and they are always very thankful.
Thanks for protecting my sorry ass. :D
Castu,
The bums don't deserve S*hit from anyone, people DIE trying to get into this country because it's so easy to make a decent living. If someone chooses to live in the bushes and crap in the street tough s*hit.
There are so many govt. programs to help the scum bags they have no excuse to pan handle.
Can I have a fin too? :D

[CA Stu]

Castu,
The bums don't deserve S*hit from anyone, people DIE trying to get into this country because it's so easy to make a decent living. If someone chooses to live in the bushes and crap in the street tough s*hit.
There are so many govt. programs to help the scum bags they have no excuse to pan handle.
Can I have a fin too?
So the mother and kid that are broke and homeless because they are on the run from an abusive Dad "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"?
A guy who had his wife get cancer, cared for her until he was flat broke and watched her die in front of him and just couldn't deal with it "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"?
Women that are running from forced prostitution "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"?
People dependant on drugs to stay lucid "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"?
Must be nice to know everything, huh?
I hope that if you ever need a hand, someone a bit more enlightened than you is around to help you out, you come across as a mean little shit.
Thanks
CA Stu

[Schiada76]

Fer fcks sake Stu, Read what I posted. Everyone of the cases you just stated have safety net after safety net. They aren't the bums hanging around pan handling. :rolleyes:
Do you have the faintest idea how much money in this country goes to the "homeless"? 99% of which make a free choice to be bums.
Hell they give them free lodging and they turn it down because they have to follow the facilities rules.
ANYONE in this country that WANTS help has it.

[Get415]

ANYONE in this country that WANTS help has it.
I have to agree, all the opportunities and HANDOUTS :cry: are available if you choose to take advantage. Most- not all- most of these cats choose to be out there and would rather suck down a Steel Reserve than eat anything, or do anything to deserve help. Why work when you can chill and drink beer all day with your buds under the freeway.
Drinkin part doesn't sound half bad actually!!!

[CA Stu]

Fer fcks sake Stu, Read what I posted. Everyone of the cases you just stated have safety net after safety net. They aren't the bums hanging around pan handling. :rolleyes:
Do you have the faintest idea how much money in this country goes to the "homeless"? 99% of which make a free choice to be bums.
Hell they give them free lodging and they turn it down because they have to follow the facilities rules.
ANYONE in this country that WANTS help has it.
What about a hungry guy in a pinch that wants $5 for a burger? You going to help him?
I suppose it's easy for you to live in a fantasy world with tons of government programs aimed at helping the poor and less fortunate.
To quote Ice-T, "Shit ain't like that!".
Why don't you enlighten me where all this "free lodging" and "safety nets" can be found?
How much money in this country goes to the homeless?
Fill me in, and don't use Google.
Must be nice to have all the answers, man. Good luck with that.
Thanks
CA Stu
PS I'm sure people freezing to death in a cardboard box on the streets made a free choice to be a bum... Moron.

[Schiada76]

How nice stewey.
Did you used to live inder the freeway or what? Kicked your crack habit and hate the world?
You have established that you can't tell the difference between:
a crack addict
the mentally ill
abused women and children
and people truly down on their luck
and you have the nerve to call me a moron? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No wonder you lived under the freeway pounding "foties".
Does you mom know you insult people on her computer? Get off your ass and go mow her lawn, she'll give another cookie. :crossx:

[99 232 baja]

My brother worked for a sign company near Denver, one day two "homeless" guys came up to him carrying a gas can saying they needed money for gas. Being my bro was a good guy and the work truck has two full 5 gal gas can on it, he went over and filled up their 2 1/2 gal can. And were they ever mad,they didn't need gas ,they just wanted $$$$,they had no car.

[AltarGirl]

I'm at the light to the freeway on lunch.
The usual vietnam/grenada/kuwait vet ( :rolleyes: yeah right) is there with his sign asking for cash. Walking around in the lanes right in front of him is a small dog, just waiting to get hit. I roll down my window and yell "Hey Mother****er! If you had enough compassion to get that dog out of the street, I'd give you $20!" :mad: Of course he just looked at me, like I will look at him everytime from now on.
Shit, occasionally I'm good for a cup of coffee for someone, but now I'm pissed. :mad:
Just had to let that out.
NO way!! That happens in Oildale?? :idea: :p :p

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

So the mother and kid that are broke and homeless because they are on the run from an abusive Dad "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"? Yes, I'd help
guy who had his wife get cancer, cared for her until he was flat broke and watched her die in front of him and just couldn't deal with it "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"? Yes, I'd help
Women that are running from forced prostitution "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"? I'd think about helping
People dependant on drugs to stay lucid "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"? would never get a friggen dime from me.
I worked at a store where I watched the "bums" panhandle until they had the exact change for a 40 ouncer. All day long they panhandled little old ladies on social security. They didn't want to better their life. They weren't hungry. They NEVER bought food. Only beer, sometimes cheap vodka. This went on for years. Same guys. No, I don't feel sorry for them.
I believe no one "deserves" anything for nothing. I might be inclined to help folks out, but they certainly aren't entitled to it. Bad decisions do not earn you an entitlement. The only thing anyone down on their luck "deserves" is a fair shake at changing their luck.

[CA Stu]

How nice stewey.
Did you used to live inder the freeway or what? Kicked your crack habit and hate the world?
You have established that you can't tell the difference between:
a crack addict
the mentally ill
abused women and children
and people truly down on their luck
and you have the nerve to call me a moron? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No wonder you lived under the freeway pounding "foties".
Does you mom know you insult people on her computer? Get off your ass and go mow her lawn, she'll give another cookie. :crossx:
:)
Nah, I just don't feel the need to shit on the downtrodden or bully weak people.
What kind of person does?
Pretend they already feel embarassed, dirty, and sad, and have a little compassion. It wouldn't hurt.
Are there assholes amongst the homeless? Sure.
Are there needy people that are homeless? Absolutely.
I don't pretend to be smart enough to know the difference, and the $5 I was going to spend on shit I don't really need might mean a hell of a lot to one of the truly needy.
Why not take a chance and be a good person, just for the sake of being one?
Thanks
CA Stu

[CA Stu]

would never get a friggen dime from me.
So a paranoid schizophrenic that needs his meds to remain sane would "never get a friggen dime" from you? That's very big of you.
Way to contribute to society, man!
Thanks
CA Stu

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

So a paranoid schizophrenic that needs his meds to remain sane would "never get a friggen dime" from you? That's very big of you.
Way to contribute to society, man!
Thanks
CA Stu
I'm not begrudging someone the drugs they need to stay sane. Why are they homeless? What does their prescription have to do with that?
MMSW<-----not a man :D

[CA Stu]

I'm not begrudging someone the drugs they need to stay sane. Why are they homeless? What does their prescription have to do with that?
MMSW<-----not a man :D
Originally Posted by CA Stu
People dependant on drugs to stay lucid "don't deserve sh*t from anyone"?
Is what I posted.
I'm just saying, the world isn't all black and white.
I figure, I have no control over other people, I only have control over my own actions.
If I give a bum $5 and he buys Ripple, it's on him. If I give a scraggly looking couple $20 and they do their laundry, catch a shower, and eat a pizza on me, good for them, and good for me.
I choose to be a charitable person and give people that are obviously not as fortunate as myself a buck or two from time to time, and I feel that I'm doing the right thing.
I just don't understand how bullying people that are obviously vulnerable is anything but small minded, juvenile, and mean.
It's like beating up a five year old.
Thanks
CA Stu
PS I realize you aren't a man, but you are an adult, and you do understand the use of the word "man" as an interjection (http://www.schoolhouserock.tv/Interjections.html), right?

[Schiada76]

So a paranoid schizophrenic that needs his meds to remain sane would "never get a friggen dime" from you? That's very big of you.
Way to contribute to society, man!
Thanks
CA Stu
Those are the ones you do help.
The ones that choose to live on the street, drink, smoke crack and pan handle don't deserve chit.
Stu, Would you nudge someone on an overpass that's thinking about jumping?
I didn't think so, but you'd give someone killing themselves with drugs and alcohol another shot or another hit. Think about it.
Go into a Salavation Army and check out the "workers" they are all recovering but they are all working. I've remodeled a few of thier stores, the people I dealt with had worked their way up from street addict to manager, etc.
That's why I give them money several times a year
You should do the same, they save peoples lives and if you believe in God they save their souls too.
Peace Out

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

I choose to be a charitable person and give people that are obviously not as fortunate as myself a buck or two from time to time, and I feel that I'm doing the right thing.
I just don't understand how bullying people that are obviously vulnerable is anything but small minded, juvenile, and mean.
It's like beating up a five year old.
Thanks
CA Stu
I agree that bullying people is wrong, because most of the time, you don't know their circumstances. I'm glad you are charitable; we should all be charitable to the less fortunate. But I still stand by my belief that no one "deserves" anything from me. Doesn't mean I won't help people out. But they certainly don't deserve it, in my opinion.

[Red Horse]

People that are usually victims of this and that are that way because they CHOOSE to be. If I knew of someone that needed help and I wouldnt be enabling someone to continue the same behavior then I would help. Until I know, HELL NO. 90% (conservative number I think) do not deserve any help because they simply do not want to be productive members of society. By helping these people you are teaching them to NOT work for anything. Furthermore, the ones that do honestly need the help cannot get it because a majority of the "downtrodden" do not really need it. They just want it. They are playing "The boy who cried wolf" and it is really hurting the ones that do need assistance. Also, there are multiple (too damn many) programs for the "less fortunate" out there. Belive you me, if one of these guys asked how to make it in this world, give him a chance or tell him about these programs I would be all over it. But that is not going to happen is it. They do not want to change. They want to live like that and you are helping them. Since you are so damn generous, why dont you pay my share of all these programs I get taxed for. I know for one I will never be homeless. I will work as hard as it takes to provide for me and my family. :cool:

[CA Stu]

http://www.nrchmi.samhsa.gov/facts/facts_question_1.asp
Question #1
How many people are homeless? Why?
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How many?
In 1996, an estimated 637,000 adults were homeless in a given week. In the same year, an estimated 2.1 million adults were homeless over the course of a year. These numbers increase dramatically when children are included, to 842,000 and 3.5 million, respectively.1
Over a five-year period, about 2–3 percent of the U.S. population (5–8 million people) will experience at least one night of homelessness. For the great majority of these people, the experience is short and often caused by a natural disaster, a house fire, or a community evacuation.2
A much smaller group, perhaps as many as 500,000 people, have greater difficulty ending their homelessness. As one researcher who examined a sample of this group over a two-year period found:3
Most—about 80%—exit from homelessness within about 2–3 weeks. They often have more personal, social, and economic resources to draw on than people who are homeless for longer periods of time.
About 10% are homeless for up to two months, with housing availability and affordability adding to the time they are homeless.
Another group of about 10% is homeless on a chronic, protracted basis—as long as 7–8 months in a two-year period. Disabilities associated with mental illnesses and substance use are common. On any given night, this group can account for up to 50% of those seeking emergency shelter.
Why?
The reasons why people become homeless are as varied and complex as the people themselves. Several structural factors contribute greatly to homelessness.
Poverty. People who are homeless are the poorest of the poor. In 1996, the median monthly income for people who were homeless was $300, only 44% of the Federal poverty level for a single adult.4 Decreases in the numbers of manufacturing and industrial jobs combined with a decline in the real value of minimum wage by 18% between 1979 and 1997 have left significant numbers of people without a livable income.5
Housing. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development estimates that there are five million households in the U.S. with incomes below 50% of the local median who pay more than half of their income for rent or live in severely substandard housing. This is worsened by a decline in the number of housing units affordable to extremely low income households by 5% since 1991, a loss of over 370,000 units. Federal rental assistance has not been able to bridge the gap; the average wait for Section 8 rental assistance is now 28 months.6
Disability. People with disabilities who are unable to work and must rely on entitlements such as Supplemental Security Income (SSI) can find it virtually impossible to find affordable housing. People receiving Federal SSI benefits, which were $545 per month in 2002, cannot cover the cost of an efficiency or one-bedroom apartment in any major housing market in the country.7
There are also several individual risk factors that may increase people’s vulnerability to becoming homeless and experiencing homelessness on a longer basis.8
Untreated mental illness can cause individuals to become paranoid, anxious, or depressed, making it difficult or impossible to maintain employment, pay bills, or keep supportive social relationships.
Substance abuse can drain financial resources, erode supportive social relationships, and can also make exiting from homelessness extremely difficult.
Co-occurring disorders. Individuals with co-occurring mental illnesses and substance use disorders are among the most difficult to stably house and treat due to the limited availability of integrated mental health and substance abuse treatment in most localities.
Other circumstances. People might also find themselves homeless for a variety of other reasons including domestic violence, chronic or unexpected health care expenses, release from incarceration, “aging out” of youth systems such as foster care, or divorce or separation.
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1Burt, M.R., Aron, L.Y., Lee, E., and Valente, J.J., (2001) Helping America's Homeless. Washington, DC: Urban Institute Press.
2Link, B., Phelan, J., Bresnahan, M., Stueve, A., Moore, R., Susser, E. (1995) Lifetime and five-year prevalence of homelessness in the United States. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 65(3): 347-354.
3Culhane, D. & Kuhn, R. A typology of homelessness by pattern of public shelter utilization. Personal communication, March 1996. Culhane, D., Chang-Moo, L., Wachter, S. (1996) Where the homeless come from: A study of the prior address distribution of families admitted to public shelters in New York City and Philadelphia. Housing Policy Debate, 7-2: 327-365.
4Burt, M.R., Aron, L.Y., Douglas, T., Valente, J., Lee, E., Iwen, B. (1999) Homelessness: Programs and the People They Serve. Washington, DC: Interagency Council on the Homeless.
5Mishel, L., Bernstein, J., Schmitt, J. (1999) The State of Working America 1998-1999. Washington, DC: Economic Policy Institute.
6United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (2001) A Report on Worst Case Housing Needs in 1999. Washington, DC: Economic Policy Institute.
7O'Hara, A., Miller, E. (2000) Priced Out in 2000: The Crisis Continues. Boston, MA: Technical Assistance Collaborative, Inc.
8Federal Task Force on Homelessness and Severe Mental Illness. (1992) Outcasts on Main Street. Washington, DC: Interagency Council on the Homeless. Lezak, A.D., Edgar, E. (1998) Preventing Homelessness Among People with Serious Mental Illnesses. Rockville, MD: Center for Mental Health Services.

[CA Stu]

Do they "choose" to be homeless, too?
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Question #5
What about the needs of children who are homeless?
In any given week, it is estimated that more than 200,000 children have no place to live. Over the course of a year, as many as 1.4 million children experience homelessness. Forty-two percent of these children are under the age of five. 1
Why do children become homeless?
Homeless families are the fastest growing segment of the homeless population, comprising nearly forty percent of the total homeless population. 2 Eighty-four percent of these families are headed by single women with dependent children. An increase in the number of families living in poverty, the shortage of affordable housing, and critical risk factors in the lives of mothers, including trauma, interpersonal violence, and mental health and substance abuse problems, all contribute to family homelessness.
How is homelessness harmful to children? 3
Homelessness affects children's mental health, and causes emotional and behavioral problems.
Anxiety, depression, withdrawal, and other clinical problems are found in 12 percent of preschoolers and 47 percent of school-age children.
16 percent of preschoolers have behavior problems including severe aggression and hostility.
36 percent of school age children exhibit delinquent or aggressive behavior.
Homelessness causes educational and learning difficulties for children.
At least one fifth of children who are homeless do not attend school and more than one fourth have attended three or more schools in a year.
Children who are homeless are diagnosed with learning disabilities such as dyslexia or speech and language impediments twice as often as other children.
Children who are homeless are twice as likely to repeat a grade as other children.
Homelessness affects children in other ways.
Homeless children go hungry at twice the rate of other children. They also experience illnesses such as stomach problems, ear infections, and asthma at higher rates.
Nearly 25 percent have witnessed acts of violence in their families, usually against their mother.
They experience physical and sexual abuse at two to three times the rate of other children.
In one year, 22 percent of homeless children spend some time apart from their immediate family, with 12 percent being placed in foster care.
What can be done?
The Center for Mental Health Services and Center for Substance Abuse and Treatment are currently evaluating interventions for homeless families with mental health or substance abuse disorders in eight sites across the nation. The cross-site study will identify the most effective approaches for meeting the needs of these families and make recommendations to help improve services for families that are homeless nationwide.
In addition, the National Center on Family Homelessness recommends the following to help homeless families:
Maximize poor families' economic resources and build their assets.
Develop an adequate supply of decent affordable housing.
Support education, training, work and child care for parents.
Eliminate hunger and food insecurity.
Protect the health of homeless children.
Improve mental health services for children and parents.
Ensure access to school and opportunities for success in school.
Prevent unnecessary separation of families.
Expand violence prevention, treatment, and follow-up services.
For more information:
National Resource Center on
Homelessness and Mental Illness
The CDM Group, Inc.
7500 Old Georgetown Road, Suite 900
Bethesda, MD 20814
Phone: 800-444-7415
E-mail: nrtcinfo@cdmgroup.com
National Center on Family Homelessness
181 Wells Avenue
Newton, MA 02459
Phone: 800-962-4676
Web site: www.familyhomelessness.org
E-mail: dawn.moses@familyhomelessness.org
1 Burt, M.R., Aron, L.Y., Douglas, T., Valente, J., Lee, E., Iwen, B. (1999) Homelessness: Programs and the People They Serve. Washington, DC: Interagency Council on the Homeless.
2 Better Homes Fund. (1999) Homeless Children: America's New Outcasts. Newton, MA: Better Homes Fund.
3 Ibid. Homes for the Homeless and The Institute for Children and Poverty. (1999) Homeless in America: A Children's Story, Part One. New York, NY: Homes for the Homeless and The Institute for Children and Poverty.

[CA Stu]

If you need a selfish reason to treat homeless with compassion, read this part and consider what will happen to a child when it grows up?
How do you want kids to feel? Spurned? Shut out? Treated like cattle? Or treated like they matter, and there is a caring society that values them and wants them to better themselves?
How is homelessness harmful to children? 3
Homelessness affects children's mental health, and causes emotional and behavioral problems.
Anxiety, depression, withdrawal, and other clinical problems are found in 12 percent of preschoolers and 47 percent of school-age children.
16 percent of preschoolers have behavior problems including severe aggression and hostility.
36 percent of school age children exhibit delinquent or aggressive behavior.
Homelessness causes educational and learning difficulties for children.

[Red Horse]

I feel for the children. They have adults that they look up to that cannot be an adult. That is tragic. Still isnt gonna change my mind or make me do something different.
There are too many "conditions" that most claim to have. What happened back in the early times before all this depression, ADD, ADHD etc. People still worked. Dont get me wrong, those that have a legitmate problem need and deserve something. Not a hand out, a stool to bring them up if you will, to help them out. You go ahead and give, give give give till you feel good. I for one will not because I feel that most of homeless are that way because they choose to. Sorry if you dont like that. I am entitled to my opinoin and you yours. I am also entitled not to give away my hard earned money to someone that did not work for it. :cool:

[Racer277]

Damn, I think Bob is right, he wasn't homeless, he was a hobo!
And yes, AltarGirl, it was in Oildale, right outside of Trout's! :p
just a bit mean and bad natured :mad: , some of you are angry about your penis size :mad: :mad: , and some of you really need to get laid :mad: :cry: :mad: .
Yep, that's me...

[Biglue]

I worked at a Lucky's supermarket in my late teens and early 20's. We used to have them stand outside the store entrance with those signs. It got bad enough to have management telling us to make them leave. 90% of them smelled to all hell of liquor. One more than a few occasions, I saw them turn down food people would try to hand them. Every single one of them would purchase their liquor from the store. Perhaps alcoholism was their disease, I dont know. But being around them removed any compassion for them. They were rude and obnoxious. I'm sure there are people that did fall on their luck and have wound up on skid row. It could happen to anyone of us. That is a very humbling thought actually. But I have to tell you, worrying about where my next drink would be the last of my worries if I were on skid row.
Just last week my family and I were out for dinner. A man approached us and asked for spare change. His appearance was not of your typical homeless person. He asked very humble for some spare change. He went as far as telling me that he is unable to feed his family. He also said he has been out of work for months. You could tell his pride was beside him. I felt very compelled to help him out. I gave him shy of $15 dollars left in my pocket. I told him I wished him luck. Perhaps he was a great bullshitter. But in my judgement that is a person who went about asking for money correctly......if it can be called that. I felt good about helping him out. Thinking back I know there is more I could do for him. Just my .02 and story to share on this matter.

[Biglue]

He probably bought an 8 ball and a 40. :D
LOL. May have. My point was he seemed like an honest person. Not the "forget the food, I want the money" types. Know what i mean?

[mike37]

If you need a selfish reason to treat homeless with compassion, read this part and consider what will happen to a child when it grows up?
How do you want kids to feel? Spurned? Shut out? Treated like cattle? Or treated like they matter, and there is a caring society that values them and wants them to better themselves?
How is homelessness harmful to children? 3
Homelessness affects children's mental health, and causes emotional and behavioral problems.
Anxiety, depression, withdrawal, and other clinical problems are found in 12 percent of preschoolers and 47 percent of school-age children.
16 percent of preschoolers have behavior problems including severe aggression and hostility.
36 percent of school age children exhibit delinquent or aggressive behavior.
Homelessness causes educational and learning difficulties for children.
dam you dont understand do you
if you offer them food and they turn it down they don't deserve help
if you offer them a job and they turn it down they don't deserve help
if all they want is cash then they are bums

[Biglue]

You should have given him a roundhouse kick to the head and then yelled "Eat that m$thaf*cker!" :D J/K. I give people money all the time. What the hell, I'm not going to die with it.
Sure you do, we all do. It's called sancho security funds. :crossx:

[Biglue]

dam you dont understand do you
if you offer them food and they turn it down they don't deserve help
if you offer them a job and they turn it down they don't deserve help
if all they want is cash then they are bums
Give man fish for a day hell eat that day. Teach him how to fish. :rolleyes: :D

[mike37]

Have you ever offered a homeless person a job? I haven't. I don't want to work with a hobo. No offense to any hobos that might be reading this post.
yes I needed help to lode some trash for the dump offer a guy on the corner
20 bucks for an hour work he told me no
have offers food on numerous occasions and been turned down
only on time did I offer food to some one and they accepted
went in to burger king with her to buy her food and the girl at the counter told me she just got lunch bought for her an hour earlier
shed told me that she had to take it when she could get it and would never turn down a meal and she looked like she needed as much for as she could get so I decided to give her the last fifty bucks I had she kinda started to cry a little and thanked me
made me feel very good to help her

[mike37]

Give man fish for a day hell eat that day. Teach him how to fish. :rolleyes: :D
they already know how to fish that what they are doing out on the corner