can't sleep

[502procharger]

For the last 3 or 4 weeks i just can't sleep. Other than kicking one out and taking Valium is there any good tricks out there to make me sleep? I finally get to sleep at like 4am. It is getting old. I am tired, i just can't sleep. Any advice?

[Tom Brown]

Masturbate.

[WILDERTHANU54]

LMFAO!!!

[502procharger]

that is what i was talking about when i said "kicking one out" My shit is turning purple trying to get to sleep!!! jawdrop
[ March 24, 2003, 09:10 PM: Message edited by: 502procharger ]

[Tom Brown]

Have you tried kicking two out?

[502procharger]

it takes alot more than one to get PURPLE.

[Tom Brown]

If the body gets sufficiently fatigued, a natural response is adrenaline. This is what some people know as being over tired.
I get like this often. I find that going for a walk helps. I know it's cliche but I've often gone for a 10-15 minute walk late at night. It doesn't take much. When I get home, I don't necessarily feel that tired but I go straight to bed. It pretty much always works. You may want to try it.
I feel bad for you. It can be a serious problem that really impacts quality of life.
-- Tom
[ March 24, 2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

[DogHouse]

Usually if I can't sleep it's because I'm thinking or worried about something and my mind just won't shut down for the night. In that case I go lay down on the couch with the tv on really low. The distraction takes my mind off whatever it was I was thinking about and boom, zzzzzzzz... sleeping

[MJ19]

Well I won't comment on the kicking of anything out wink
...but I will give some suggestions as listed in my medical book:
Make note, these are not may words, they are straigh from my healthy mind healthy body book :D
Skip the stimulants:
Caffeine, medications, alcohol, nicotine, etc...
Skip the sleeping pills...they will only prolong the problem. Use only on a one time basis.
Heavy meals before bedtime is a no-no, but a light carb snack (ie cookies, toast) can actually help you sleep (increases brain serotonin, chem that triggers sleep)
a 20 minute nap is encouraged in the mid-afternoon.
decrease amount of fluids the hours before bedtime, reduces full blatter wake up call.
exercise can help you sleep better.
comfortable bed in a dark, quiet, and cool room is the best setting for good sleep (between 65-70 degrees)
wake up at the same time of the day regardless of what day it is, you need to set your bio clock, this way it will begin to know what time it needs to go to sleep...takes a few weeks before a rutine is set.
during those few weeks, set a bedtime and stick to it. Do not go to bed any earlier then the allowed hours needed...ie: if you need 8 hours of sleep and you are waking up at 6am...do not go to bed before 10pm at night.
If you do not fall asleep within 30 minutes, then get up wait another 30 minutes and try again.
You may not like this one wink ONLY use your bed for sleeping. Do not read, watch tv, etc in bed, only get into bed when you are ready to sleep (your body will adjust to the rutine and will eventually realize that when you get into bed it tiggers sleep is next to come.
All of these things are to reset your internal sleep clock.
Do not force yourself to sleep, the harder you try the longer you'll stay awake. Instead focus on some relaxing breathing exercises.
If you're organized keep a sleep log. If your insomnia persists for six months or is seriously affecting your daytime functioning (job, relationships, etc) seek professional help.
There you have it, those are some suggestions I have found for the time being...I will post some links in a while.
Sweet Dreams!!! :)

[502procharger]

mj19
you are the shizznit. i will try some of those things. thanks. Anyone else?

[MJ19]

See if any of these sites give you some insight to the problem...I hope you sleep well soon!!! :)
http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/93/23140
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/15/1683_50030.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}
http://my.webmd.com/search/search_results?query=insomnia&filter=mywebmd_all_filter&go.x=14&go.y=18
GOOD LUCK!!!

[Tom Brown]

... and if that doesn't work, stock up on stroke mags.

[GlastronGuy]

Tom Brown:
... and if that doesn't work, stock up on stroke mags. Mags? Why do you think he started his website?

[MJ19]

I forgot to mention...once when I was traveling to the UK I was worried about having Jet Lag and sleeping problems so I bought some serotonin pills from the health food store and some other something another...anyhow, I took one to fall alseep and as soon as I woke up I took the other and I never suffered from jet lag, it helped to set my body's clock onto UK time while everyone else was suffering from Jet Lag I was ready to go :D
SO there is another suggestion, taking the (I think it was melatonin) in the AM and helping to set your clock straight??? Check with a your health food store before you take my uneducated word for it...it was one of those "MJ19 experiments" I tried and it worked, but that doesn't mean it's proven science :D

[502procharger]

Glasstron guy you seem to have a real problem with my website. what gives? you don't have to look at it if you don't like it. I don't give you shit for having a glasstron. :D

[502procharger]

Glasstron guy you seem to have a real problem with my website. what gives? you don't have to look at it if you don't like it. I don't give you shit for having a glasstron. :D

[Tom Brown]

502procharger:
I don't give you shit for having a glasstron. :D Why would you do that? Anyone who has a Glastron is clearly a person of taste and style. http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/icons/icon14.gif
:)
[ March 24, 2003, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

[502procharger]

I was just teasing him

[Tom Brown]

... and I you.

[GlastronGuy]

I wasn't giving you shit. I was pointing out the obvious, trying to be funny, yanking your chain, etc.
Oh, and I can spell Glastron. Didn't you use that link I supplied?
wink <------ Denotes humor or sarcasm.

[Tom Brown]

GlastronGuy:
... yanking your chain, etc. Hey, don't do that. He needs to stay off it for a while. :D

[GlastronGuy]

Tom Brown:
GlastronGuy:
... yanking your chain, etc. Hey, don't do that. He needs to stay off it for a while. :D LOL

[502procharger]

i could not get the down load to work. any other links to it.

[Windy]

Try drinking some sleepy time tea and read a good book, before you know it your eyes will get heavy.
Good luck,
MissHBjet

[Tom Brown]

Soon we'll have him into ear candling and feng shui. :D :D

[gigamurph]

502PC, I feel for ya man! I've had the same problem for 10-12 years now! When I do get to sleep, it's only for anywhere from an 1-1 1/2 hours at a time.
BTW, this post is attempt #6226 at findin' a solution! Share in someone's misery! I'll get back to ya if it works. frown

[JetBoatRich]

It is 4am, did anything work for you? :confused:

[Thunderbutt]

My wife tells me the reason I sleep so well is, because I either have a clear conscience or none at all. I think I have the latter.

[Blown 472]

Nyquil and whiskey works really well.

[Rod-64]

Blown 472:
Nyquil and whiskey works really well. That does work...I use a similar concoction when I'm sick that I made up...I call it a Nyquil Shooter...1st make a cup of Thera-Flu then add a shot of Nyquil and a shot of Jack...works wonders.

[Blown 472]

It is the next day when you are putty head that is kinda fun too.

[MJ19]

Tom Brown:
Soon we'll have him into ear candling and feng shui. :D :D That's not a bad idea...have you considered some meditation methods? wink

[Mandelon]

I find if I stay up too late I can't get to sleep. A second wind of some sort keeps me awake. Adrenaline as noted above, I guess.
Try waking up early say 5:00 and going for a walk or run. By the end of the day you will be pretty darn tired. I get up early and go out for a run, try to go to bed by 10:00 or 10:30.
Rarely a problem any more. Good Luck.
Oh, and I like your site! :D

[JetBoatRich]

Mandelon I figured from your gas subject on another thread, this would make you pass out!

[missboatnam1]

mj you should change your pratice to a RN.....hee hee....
start working out, belive me it works......

[Mandelon]

Its 5:00 am are you up yet? ....Strap on the running shoes, time to go out in the dark!! :D

[JetBoatRich]

Mandelon:
Its 5:00 am are you up yet? ....Strap on the running shoes, time to go out in the dark!! :D Ok I am right there with you in my truck on the way to work, to late I am at work now!

[AZKC]

Drink a 12 pack, pass out by 10\11pm, wake up about 5/6am fight the fog all day, repeat as needed :D
"I'm not an Alcoholic, I'm a drunk, Alcholics go to meetings"
KC

[MJ19]

missboatnam1:
mj you should change your pratice to a RN.....hee hee....Oh NO WAY...I couldn't change a bed pan if my life depended on it yuk :D

[502procharger]

6:47am still awake

[502procharger]

6:47am still awake

[JetBoatRich]

You never went to sleep all night? Then going to work :confused:

[MJ19]

502procharger:
6:47am still awake What is going on in your mind that is keeping you up? Whatever it is..face it head on and stop thinking about it :D
Have you tried napping in the afternoon/evening hours...just to get some sleep in there? When I don't sleep all night long, I end up crashing at 3pm in the afternoon and if I don't let myself sleep at that time, then I end up staying awake again...bad circle to be in :( Get sleep when you can...lunch break nap...after dinner nap???

[Blown 472]

502procharger:
6:47am still awake Maybe it is all the clam bakes??

[502procharger]

last night was my fault. i had a hot tub party after the bar and was up till like 7am. fun, fun night though. pictures will follow.

[mmered8299]

Take one or two Aleves. They are for pain. Helps me relax and go to sleep.

[502procharger]

i am really tired tonight, i think i will sleep well. could have something to do with the fact that i did not sleep at all last night. wish me luck.
[ March 28, 2003, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: 502procharger ]

[JetBoatRich]

Good luck, just woke up and having my morning coffee. Slept great last night.

[MJ19]

502procharger:
i had a hot tub party after the bar and was up till like 7am. fun, fun night though. pictures will follow. Gees, here I am innocently feeling sorry for your sleeping problem and it's self induced! :rolleyes:
Shame shame shame! wink :D

[502procharger]

most of the time it is not self induced. i had a great night sleep last night. i feel great today.

[wfodude]

MJ19:
missboatnam1:
mj you should change your pratice to a RN.....hee hee....Oh NO WAY...I couldn't change a bed pan if my life depended on it yuk :D Sorry we have CNA'S to change bedpans.

[wfodude]

ok ...I totally agree meds are a last resort but....if all else fails try Benadryl or unisom. Both OTC and work well dont waste time on all the different brands.All of them Except the Unisom ARE benadryl also known as diphenhydramine hydrochloride. If they're a no go call the MD and get some Ambien or Dalmane. both work well. Maybe if it's anxiety some Xanax would help. Just my .02

[502procharger]

I actually have Xanax and clonapan(sp) but when i do take them i have problems getting up, really bad problems. Even if i take 1/2 i just can't get out of bed the next day. I do take Nyquil or benadryl to sleep sometimes. I have not tried ambien
[ March 28, 2003, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: 502procharger ]

[Mandelon]

You don't need drugs, man, you need to get your fat ass out and exercise! And early too!! :D
[ March 28, 2003, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Mandelon ]

[502procharger]

i am in great shape, i run 5 days a week, my mind just never stops and it hinders my sleep.

[ratso]

I probably average about 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night. Between working and too many friends that party almost non-stop, that's about all I have time for. The past 2 nights we didn't get in until about 3am, and I'm usually up getting ready for work by 7am. I will admit that some days I just sit in my office in a complete daze...

[Mandelon]

Maybe you are one of those people who just needs less sleep....maybe get a second job at night to at least take advantage of it?? wink

[MJ19]

502procharger:
my mind just never stops and it hinders my sleep. Maybe you should change jobs...piercing body parts might be too stressful :p :D

[502procharger]

you can't imagine :D :D :p

[boatnam2]

i work a rotating 12 hours shift day night day night etc;etc;,the absolute worse thing you can do for your body.sometimes when i get home in the morning 6am i will go to sleep and be up by 7:30.you get frustrated and then it makes it worse.so i feel for ya but since i been doing it for 17 years you have a lot of sleepless nigths to catch me.

[wfodude]

I had the same problem. I used headphones and music. Kept the mind from racing.Now days we use Paxil for the exact problem.I agree with the past post, Some meditation may very well help. You need to find a point of light in your mind and focus on it. Force all of the other thoughts away...you can do this and you will relaxI understand your not waking up from those drugs. Ambien isn't supposed to give you the hangover effect. I just got a scrip so i'm gonna try it as I work nights and find it very hard to stay asleep in the day.

[Mandelon]

Now that you mentioned your job I understand why your mind won't stop.........HAhahahahhhahaahahahah Body Piercer.. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Rexone]

502procharger:
i am in great shape, i run 5 days a week, my mind just never stops and it hinders my sleep. So what are you thinkin about that's intense enough to keep you awake like that?

[ROZ]

502procharger:
my mind just never stops and it hinders my sleep. I'm thinking that if it did stop, you'd really have problems...j/k wink :D
From time to time I go through a little insomnia spell. In remembering that everyone has a different reaction to medication, I can take a 1.5 Xanax and it doesn't phase me. Give my wife a half a pill, she gets the "hangover" affect. On the otherhand, give me an IBU 800, and I'm out like a light. The only problem is that I like to keep the IBU's around for accute back pain. My wife got me script for Ambien, and it works pretty well. I don't feel groggy in the morning after I've taken it the night, or early morning, before. It might be worth asking your physician to let you try it out.
Chris
wfodude, You have plenty of time to play on the computer while working nights, do you wink WHat hospital do you work ?

[rrrr]

Try Ambien. I have "borrowed" a couple in the past, and they work great. For me a 1/2 tablet is plenty, keeps me from feeling woozy in the morning.

[Rexone]

shhhh! i think he went to sleep smile_sp

[Mandelon]

Rexone:
502procharger:
i am in great shape, i run 5 days a week, my mind just never stops and it hinders my sleep. So what are you thinkin about that's intense enough to keep you awake like that? Have you seen the pics of the parts he pierces on his web site? THEN you'll know!!!!

[ratso]

I remember at my gym a few years back, there were a couple of products called Renewtrient and Invigorate. Invigorate was some bad-ass stuff, but tasted awful. Not only would the stuff help you sleep, but was also used to "enhance" your sex life, it was awesome, bought it by the case usually. Finally it was all banned and you can't get it anymore. A friend of mine who was a chemist said there was a solvent in it, found out what it was and started making a version herself, very addicting. They really need to bring that stuff back.

[MJ19]

502,
go back to my list...don't rely on the drugs to sleep...they should be a once in a while fix...not night after night...Dr. MJ has spoken! :D

[wfodude]

ROZ
wfodude, You have plenty of time to play on the computer while working nights, do you wink WHat hospital do you work ? [/QB]SHHHHHHH its a secret....Hey I do get A few days off you know !!!

[502procharger]

still up, can't sleep again 3:05am WTF. i have a boat project on my mind and just cam't stop thinking about it.oh well

[JetBoatRich]

502procharger:
still up, can't sleep again 3:05am WTF. i have a boat project on my mind and just cam't stop thinking about it.oh well Relax it won't go any where :D

[Rexone]

JetBoatRich:
Relax it won't go any where :D I think that might be exactly why he can't sleep. :D

[JetBoatRich]

You right Mike, that would do it :confused:

[MJ19]

502procharger:
still up, can't sleep again 3:05am WTF. i have a boat project on my mind and just cam't stop thinking about it.oh well Write your thoughts down and get back to sleep...read about your thoughts in the morning :D