Gas prices.....

[Mandelon]

Coming back down?? Local Mobil is down to $1.89 for regular again.
Like that is a bargain or something. They have now conditioned us to outrageous prices. What a scam.

[JetBoatRich]

Hitting the $1.70's here at Costco and Sam's Club

[drbones]

$1.58 here in Ohio
but it could go up and down again before I leave work

[OLDRAT]

Tulsa, OK
87 Octane approx 1.35
93 Octane approx 1.53
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
87 Octane approx 1.79
93 Octane approx 2.09
coming down. I agree, what a scam....the bastards

[mikev]

1.19 here in georgia

[hot_diggity_dog]

1.37 for Diesel at the T/A or loves in Palm Desert :D
HDD :cool:
[ September 30, 2003, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: hot_diggity_dog ]

[Caribbean Jet]

I was in Austin Texas last week and they were complaining because it was 1.47. They said that it had just jumped in price.

[Seadog]

I filled up Friday in Tulsa at 1.299 and again coming back at 1.289. I was thinking about a few gallons on Grand when we stopped for a pitstop but decided to chance running out at 2.259. I am glad its going down because I got to run to Lafayette, LA this weekend and need the break.
[ September 30, 2003, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: Seadog ]

[mirvin]

In Los Angeles the "big 4" are still over $2.00 for super!!!

[Ziggy]

1.65 reg up here in Oceanside.

[BobS]

I just paid 1.58 for regular here in Alex.
[ September 30, 2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: BobS ]

[hot_diggity_dog]

This is a great site for Gas prices in San Diego, Check it out!
Fuel Tracker (http://www.fueltracker.com/newmenu/home.html?id=home&title=Home)
HDD :cool:

[Boozer]

I paid $1.49 for 85 octane.

[drbones]

oops..price drop again...
$1.53.reg....
now if they dont raise it before I leave.. :rolleyes:

[Slick]

I've noticed price drops around here as well, $1.95 for Super @ the QT.

[Havasubum]

i paid $1.63 yesterday at costco for 87 octane

[got river?]

$1.26 for diesel in Ehrenberg on Sat...wish I had an auxilary tank to load up. Could save $40-$50 that way.

[BUSTI]

IT IS NOT A SCAM! IT IS CALLED SUPPLY AND DEMAND! Earlier this year the oil companies in anticipation of a long and protracted war in Iraq started building reserves of crude and refined gas. Buying on contracts that would insure supply in the event of shortages they bought longer term and at higher prices aginst the bidding war from Europe and the Orient aticipating a shortage. OPEC didn't reduce supply much despite this warehousing. And porduction continued. The oil companies raised prices commensurate what with they had to bid on and against all other buyers and prices went up.
Well low and behold our great President kicked the shit out of the second Fu#ked up muslim country in as many years and war was over in a week. All the reserves created a greater supply at the end of summer thus prices are coming down now. But don't get to excited those islamic Fu#ks called OPEC hate it when American Companies have to much of their oil in reserve or on contract. So they have announced production reductions starting immeadiately. Prices will go up and resonably soon also. Maybe in the short run prices will be down. Enjoy it while you can.

[summerlove]

BUSTI:
IT IS NOT A SCAM! IT IS CALLED SUPPLY AND DEMAND! Then why are prices so much higher in SoCal than just about anywhere? I understand market supply and demand theories, but when I was in Charlotte NC last week regular was $1.49, while here in San Diego I am still paying over $2.00/gal. The biggest car market in the world may have somethig to do with it. It's supply and demand allright - Cali has the cars and the oil companies demand more of our money then anywhere else in the country. I don't get it????

[mikev]

cali has to have specialy formulated gas that costs more and i bet your guys gas tax is allot higher that everywere else

[Dave C]

$1.90 here for regular. We get a*s-raped here in Norcal.
We have an oligopoly in California. Few producers, lots of consumers and one commodity.
This can lead to price changes that appear like price fixing. The only solution is to increase competition.
For that to happen we need a state government that gives a sh*t, which we don't, so we are screwed.

[FRENCHIE]

Gramps im England says they got it great only about $5.00 per gallon...yes $5.00 per gallon, boy do we have it bad! :D

[Dr. Eagle]

Well Frenchie, you can bet $4.50 of that is tax.....

[HammerDown]

Boozer:
I paid $1.49 for 85 octane. 85 octane eek! Boozy, what the hell runs off 85 octane :confused:

[Dr. Eagle]

HammerDown:
Boozer:
I paid $1.49 for 85 octane. 85 octane eek! Boozy, what the hell runs off 85 octane :confused: like Lawnmowers...
They sell that crap at Loves and other truck stops. Premium is like 90 Octane. Crap.

[RiverRatMike]

$1.67 here in LHC today at the TH on hwy 95 and Acoma

[Rexone]

I'll go the supply and demand logic to a point. But it was just 2-3 years ago gas was 1.25ish around here. Now it's 1.75ish on a good day with a recent high of 2.10ish. That's bs. Costs haven't risen this much in that time frame. If more competition in producers is the answer then Gray friggin Davis and the feds too should recognize that (which I'm sure they do) and take action (which I'm sure they won't because someone's gettin their pockets packed with moola to keep doing nothing). And by taking action I mean making a business climate thats receptive to competitors, not one in which only the big 3-4 oil companies can survive in (thus thwarting competition from smaller competitors that might bring prices down). I maintain it's more scam and bs than it is supply and demand. Just my opinion of course. :)

[waterslinger]

I got super for $1.44 this morning here in GA.
I am with you REX it is a scam.
You got a oil man for the Prez, go figure.

[BUSTI]

Mikev is absolutely correct! First of all it is simply and only supply and demand plus taxes that make California gas so expensive. First of all the gas in Ca, buy law, is specially fromulated to meet Ca denocraps commie emission standards. No where in the country is this formulation of gas reqiured. It costs the oil companies more to produce this gas than any other place in the country. Now they are making a product that they can only sell in Ca. Hence that extra production cost is rightly passed passed on to the consuner. Bad legistration and bad ideas drive the cost of our gas up as result of these stupid ideas. By the way guess who led the charge for this added formulation requirement? You got it both Davis, his mentor Jerry Brown and idiots like Cruz Bustamante!
Second of all California gas is taxed more per gallon at the pump than any other gas in the country!!!!!!!!!!! Our politicians have gorged themselves on this easy money for social programs. What ever the real production price is, including delivery, is in Ca the demos commie bastards have passed legislation that doubles the price of gas at the pump!!!!!!!!!! THATS RIGHT!! IF A GALLON COSTS $2.00 $1.00 IS ALL TAX!!!!!!!!!!!! Several years ago ARCO had a campaign which posted signs at the pump announcing that the tax on gas had just been raised to 100% per gallon for state, federal and excise tax. Guess what happened? The Willie Brown commies, including then our lt gov. Gay Davis, passed a law forbidding the oil companies from posting these signs! WAKE THE **** UP STUPID!!!! THAT SHOULD BE THE SIGN ARCO HAS AT THE PUMP NOW!
The oil companies warned the idiots in Sacramento and forcasted what it would do to the states gas prices. They also predicted that when the shit hit the fan over these prices that they just knew that an uneducated public would forget that their govt had mandated the special production costs and all the taxes and blame the oil companies and that manyW OULD CALL IT A SCAM!
Do your home work! The only scam is the one the liberal Sacramento politicains have perpetrated on the public. They know we have to have to have the gas so they have held us hostage ny placing all these taxes on gas. Because most Californians are ignortant to the facts about what really makes up a gallon of gas priced at the pump...they just take it up the ass and stupidly cry ITS A SCAM!!
Do you really think oil companies want to be required to make a more expensive product that they can only sell in one market? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to make a gas product that is less expensive that they could sell any where? And how stupid are Californians for putting up with a 100% tax on any product? If you bought a $35,000.00 car how long would you stand for a ultimate retail price of $70,000.00 for the same vehicle because of taxes? Ya see because we only buy gas $30.00 at a time most of us that know the story just pay it and keep trying to vote Republican and those that don't know the story may vote Republican or the democraps that caused this mess claim its a scam!!
Of course seasonal demand and supplies effect gas prices but absolutely not is it an oil company scam that determines our prices! Sorry if I get angry over this but this shit drives me crazy. Vote to recall davis and please vote for Arnold!!

[Dr. Eagle]

amen bro . Also, R&D is an ongoing process at the petroleum companies, and they have been lobbying the state for years now to take the binders off of them restricting them to only the state sanctioned formulation. (What the hell is the government doing telling the petroleum business how to make gas...but I digress). This is because the rest of the country has gas formulations that the oil companies say are far cleaner than this crap that is legal to sell here. This formulation goes back to the early 1990's. You'd think they would at least look at the data, but hell no...the law is what the law is.
Friggin ridiculous!!!
Greetings from the Peoples Republic of California...
[ October 01, 2003, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Eagle ]

[Seadog]

85 octane is what you get in the hills of CO. Scared the p out me the first trip I made, but it works fine.

[Dave C]

Last I checked the gas tax was 18 cents State & 18 cents Federal. I don't know if this includes the 8.25% sales tax which would be another 16 cents on $2.00.
Damn thats a lot.

[Dave C]

Yup I was right. Tax on gas in Kalifornia: 18.4 cents Federal 18 cents state plus 8.25% sales tax.

[Rexone]

Busti you obviously have more knowledge on this subject than myself. Points well taken and the info is appreciated to allow all to more throughly understand the CA high gas price problem.
Dave C, 18 + 18 don't add up to $1.00 so I'm now confused on the 100% tax claimed by Busti? Obviously one or the other is incorrect or I'm missing something (entirely possible :D )
Assuming it is 100% I'd think that would be a prime issue that should be addressed by the voters to our new republican governor because it sounds a bit excessive to me. Assuming it's .36, .18 of which is state it probabably not out of line as far as tax goes.
This is an interesting subject and one we all pay through the ass for and don't even think about how much of it might be tax more than likely. The more info the better.

[Tahiti Owner]

summerlove:
BUSTI:
IT IS NOT A SCAM! IT IS CALLED SUPPLY AND DEMAND! Then why are prices so much higher in SoCal than just about anywhere? I understand market supply and demand theories, but when I was in Charlotte NC last week regular was $1.49, while here in San Diego I am still paying over $2.00/gal. The biggest car market in the world may have somethig to do with it. It's supply and demand allright - Cali has the cars and the oil companies demand more of our money then anywhere else in the country. I don't get it???? Have you ever concidered moving???
I have family in the LA area and I seem to notice that alot of people seem to complain about the prices of things there, but at the same time everyone seems to just stay there and take it...there must be something that keeps you all there...

[little rowe boat]

A guy I work with just got back from a roadtrip back east and he was showing me his gas receipts, at one place in Oklahoma he paid 1.15 per gallon.That just chaps my hide,we get rapped out here on the west coast. :mad:

[Mandelon]

My point about the "scam" is that the oil companies conveniently and discreetly manipulate the supply to keep the prices high.
California has its own special mix to reduce smog so that adds to the cost, since only the Calif mix is legal to sell here. There is 38 cent tax as well, which many other states that have less illegals to educate, feed and support don't have to charge. (Ya like how I worked the illegals thing in there?) :D
Working Californians are getting shafted from every direction. The "Sunshine Tax" is pretty damn high. :mad:

[BUSTI]

Don't forget the taxes California places on crude delivered to the state, accompaning excise tax on transportation, refining, and user fees and such. According to the SoCal Auto club with out all these taxes that are on ultimately a gallon of gas at the pump we pay an inflated price by 100% for our gas.
And lets say i'm wrong there is only 50% taxes on gas are you kidding me!!!! Its to much!!! And as far as me leaving the state why should I leave? I love my home and why should I be disqualifed from living here just because I won't take the ass reaming our politicians give us quietly and go away. Those commie socialist freaks are the reason the Golden State is not so Golden any more. Just because productive people like me in this state, hate the leaches that only want to live off producers like me....I should listen to people imply why do I stay? Why shouldn't the socialist that just want to redistribute my wealth and property to those who produce nothing ...why don't they leave or better yet just go to ****in work themselves!!!!!!!!!

[Dave C]

Busti, your probably right, The wholesale price of refined gasoline trades in the 80-90 cent range (i.e. before taxes, regulation & distribution) The dealer's margin is probably razor thin. So taxes plus dealer margin or the difference retail to wholesale is 118% (i.e. 1.75-.80=.95/.8)
I think I saw more taxes too. Transporation is one. The "dealer" has to pay one for the tanks, etc. etc.
So far I got 50.8 = 18.4 + 18 + 14.4 (8.25% on $1.75). Thats 30% of total assuming $1.75. There is probably more.
On the supply and demand issue, I meant that the only few producers left are a direct result of the enviro-nazi agenda that has driven competition out of the state.
[ October 01, 2003, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Dave C ]

[rvrkaosI]

I bet Gray f##kin Davis has something to do with the inflated gas prices too! :mad: It's 1.85 in Cypress, 1.89 in hacienda heights, both are Cheveron, 87 octane.

[jm2drvr]

I did not read all the above reply's, but I am sure somebody said that a gallon of gas is actualy as cheap, if not cheaper than a gallon of milk...when gas get's more expensive than a gallon of your favorite beverage, that's when the complaining should start. :D Be thankful we don't pay as much for gas as some other countries do.

[Rexone]

jm2drvr:
I did not read all the above reply's, but I am sure somebody said that a gallon of gas is actualy as cheap, if not cheaper than a gallon of milk...when gas get's more expensive than a gallon of your favorite beverage, that's when the complaining should start. :D Be thankful we don't pay as much for gas as some other countries do. You're right. I'll take that into consideration the next week that I consume 50 gallons of milk. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I'm very thankful it doesn't cost as much as other countries. However, runaway uncontrolled costs and taxes might just get it there in a few more years.