ARE YOU A LIBERAL?

[BUSTI]

If you are please take this test and find a way to listen to Dennis Prager on the radio..he is nationally sydicated. the democrats live in a moral vacuum.http://www.dennisprager.com/articles_by/liberal.html

[topless]

Don't even have to take the test....I'm very Republican and proud of my cousin GW. :D :D

[N:ck]

topless:
Don't even have to take the test....I'm very Republican and proud of my cousin GW. :D :D You're probably married to the bastard too.
[ August 14, 2003, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: N:ck ]

[BUSTI]

Read this Catcommiedo and AzcommieDon and NickAzcommiedons echo! and please respond with ideas and try and debate Dennis' views not just bash Bush and or Republicanshttp://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030812.shtml

[HighRoller]

My only answer is NO!Not just NO,but HELL NO! Liberalism is a cancer that has given birth to every social ill in our society over the last forty years....That's why no liberal politician will admit to being liberal.The minute you tell people you're a liberal they realize what you're all about and you'll never get elected.Like Howard Dean trying to flim-flam everyone into believing he's a"moderate"when he believes in Gay marriage and government controlled medicine.

[BUSTI]

Please be intellectually honest! If you have the time listen to Dennis Prager for one month. he is not a political type like Rush. You can hear him over the internet daily at KRLA Radio 870 in LA every moring pst 9 o'clock till noon. Do it for one month every day and at the end of one month if you still a Liberal......go fu#king shoot youself because you are so Fing stupid there isn't any help for your ass.
By the way Nick most American in a recent Gallop poll said they respected President George Bush. Compare that to CNN's poll in 1998 that said that most woman in America didn't trust bill Clinton as a man. So yeah Miss 909'er would be proud to be married to him!

[twistedpair]

[ August 15, 2003, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: twistedpair ]

[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

No thank you...... :rolleyes: I'll continue listening to Rush. :D Republican All the way... :cool:

[058]

We need to be politically correct here....Liberals are now trying to re-invent themselfs. They are no longer "liberals" they are now known as "progressives" They think by renaming themselfs people will think better of them. Kinda like trying to polish a turd. :D

[N:ck]

So, ladies, how many teeth are ya missing? Two, three, fifteen maybe?

[NorCal Gameshow]

N:ck:
So, ladies, how many teeth are ya missing? Two, three, fifteen maybe? good one n:ck, now get a job, pay taxes then you might have someone listen to you. until then spend your extra time in a homeless shelter helping out or maybe a senior center. go help others instead of telling everybody else where their tax dollars should go....

[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

N:ck:
So, ladies, how many teeth are ya missing? Two, three, fifteen maybe? Spoken like a true liberal.

[AzDon]

I think the conservative/moderate arm of the Democratic party (typified by Clinton) should split off and call themselves the "Common Sense" party. Wouldn't it be pointless to argue against common sense?

[HighRoller]

Wait a second....let me catch my breath.Did you actually attempt to use the words"conservative"and "moderate"in the same sentence as a tax and spend liberal like Bill Clinton?He and his wife are liberals,socially and fiscally,and no matter what you say the facts support it.He passed the largest tax increase in American history and she attempted to nationalize medicine behind the backs of the american people. They should start the"power hungry socialist"party because that's what they are.

[NorCal Gameshow]

AzDon:
I think the conservative/moderate arm of the Democratic party (typified by Clinton) should split off and call themselves the "Common Sense" party. Wouldn't it be pointless to argue against common sense? :D :D it would be common sense in name only :D :D

[AzDon]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HighRoller:
Wait a second....let me catch my breath.Did you actually attempt to use the words"conservative"and "moderate"in the same sentence as a tax and spend liberal like Bill Clinton?He and his wife are liberals,socially and fiscally,and no matter what you say the facts support it.He passed the largest tax increase in American history and she attempted to nationalize medicine behind the backs of the american people. They should start the"power hungry socialist"party because that's what they are. [/QUOTE
I think the title of these threads should be "Republicans rewrite history to their liking" Perhaps you didn't like paying the taxes necessary for a balanced budget...BOO HOO!! And what's wrong with affordable healthcare? What's GWB done to address this problem? And I guess that you'll forget that Clinton was the first president EVER from either party to blatantly address welfare recipients in a national address and tell them they'd be needing to get a job! When has GW ever addressed his own constituency so harshly? Perhaps he'd be willing to address Midwest farmers and announce an end to farm subsidies? I don't think so! The guy has been completely absent from showing that he has any interest in issues that concern ordinary Americans, just like his father did. The difference now is that people aren't as socially aware as they were then and they're buying his crap because he somehow (I don't see it!) seems sincere!

[MagicMtnDan]

Dennis Prager is a very intelligent and very well spoken man. I'd be surprised if someone listened to him for an hour and didn't learn something of value. He's one of the best listens on the radio anywhere.
We need more people on the radio, TV and in political office like Dennis Prager (he almost ran for senator here in CA but decided not to).

[058]

Bill Clinton went kicking and screaming against welfare reform because the Republican Congress forced it down his throat...Just like what he forced down Monica's throat. Only when he knew he'd lose this fight he reluctantly signed the bill. Remember Newt's Contract with America? That was its centerpiece. That bill would pass regardless he liked it or not. Its fu*kin' amazing how the liberals re-write history...Clinton and welfare reform....INDEED!!

[Napanutt]

How could anyone be proud to be a democrat,especially a radical one like some people around here...that means that you condone the actions of the likes of Greenpeace (tree huggers),spiking trees,putting peoples life in jeopardy by doing so,commiting arson to someone else's propery because you don't agree on it's use (ski resort in Co.);enviro Nazi's,domestic terrorists,bleeding heart liberals all the same,call you what you will...

[Ian]

I am so sick of this political crap can't you people find another forum to bash each other on. I have my own political views which have nothing to do with hot boats, so I don't find it necessary to broadcast it all over this forum. Why is it people feel the need to criticize and degrade people with different views? Now an educated and adult debate is one thing, but most of you guys include no facts, nor common sense in your arguments. Cut the crap people, do some research and find the facts before you come on here and start slinging your political propaganda. How many of you actually do some research before you vote? Or do you just vote a certain way because your parents were democrats or all your friends are republicans.

[NorCal Gameshow]

there's two sides to a fence you've gotta pick one. where are you at? a politician has to pick one. you can lean to the left or lean to the right.i would bet that my liberal friends aren't as liberal as they would think. how many liberals cheat on their taxes??if they do they're taking from the poor.I say that 'cause that is money that would've went to the programs that they defend. but they'll never see it that way..
i like having two sides to the fence it helps keep the other side honest :D

[058]

Ian:
I am so sick of this political crap can't you people find another forum to bash each other on. I have my own political views which have nothing to do with hot boats, so I don't find it necessary to broadcast it all over this forum. Why is it people feel the need to criticize and degrade people with different views? Now an educated and adult debate is one thing, but most of you guys include no facts, nor common sense in your arguments. Cut the crap people, do some research and find the facts before you come on here and start slinging your political propaganda. How many of you actually do some research before you vote? Or do you just vote a certain way because your parents were democrats or all your friends are republicans. 1st of all this is the "Sandbar" where anything is discussed, it was created for topics such as this. We don't clutter up the other sections with our threads that are off topic. If you do not like what is discussed here perhaps you should move on to a section more suitable to your liking. As much as I love boating there are other things in this world that may be unrelated to boating but consider this....The politicans we talk about here are directly responsible for boating. There are some that would like to ban all powerboats from all bodys of water. When that happens then all YOU will have is this forum, nothing else. Your boat will be worthless because you can't use it anywhere, thanks to some politican who thinks the internal combustion engine is the biggest threat to the enviroment. [Al Gore "Earth in the Balance"] Good bye...good luck in prison.

[Ian]

Good bye...good luck in prison.
?

[NorCal Gameshow]

it's like the bloodied car on the side of the road... you don't want to look, but you do. if you don't like it, don't look :D if it has liberal ,republican, democrat or whatever don't look...sandbar =open topic...let's keep it that way

[Ian]

There are some that would like to ban all powerboats from all bodys of water. That, my friend, is why our government is built on a foundation of "checks and balance", but I'm sure you knew that wink . And just for the record I voted for Senator John McCain, a well educated republican nominee whose parents didn't buy his way out of the Vietnam War. :D

[MagicMtnDan]

Ian:
I am so sick of this political crap can't you people find another forum to bash each other on. I have my own political views which have nothing to do with hot boats, so I don't find it necessary to broadcast it all over this forum. Why is it people feel the need to criticize and degrade people with different views? Now an educated and adult debate is one thing, but most of you guys include no facts, nor common sense in your arguments. Cut the crap people, do some research and find the facts before you come on here and start slinging your political propaganda. How many of you actually do some research before you vote? Or do you just vote a certain way because your parents were democrats or all your friends are republicans. Funny stuff dude. You oughta just avoid threads that aren't of interest to you.
As a matter of fact, I DO vote just how my parents' friends' sister's brother's mother tells me to :D

[058]

Ian:
There are some that would like to ban all powerboats from all bodys of water. That, my friend, is why our government is built on a foundation of "checks and balance", but I'm sure you knew that wink . And just for the record I voted for Senator John McCain, a well educated republican nominee whose parents didn't buy his way out of the Vietnam War. :D Checks and balances...you are indeed correct. But the basic problem we have here is that the checks may outweigh the balances. By discussing the politics here and not in another section the uninformed become informed and by this little exchange of ideas we just might be able to head off some legislation that would directly effect us and our boating. I have learned alot on these boards and have learned things that I couldn't find elsewhere, I live in the Bay Area and the only newspapers are left wing rags that do not publish things that favor Republican and/or right wing politics. They only print left wing drivel that promotes their agenda. "The Good luck in prison" was a tongue in cheek reference to you when the treehuggers get your boat outlawed.

[058]

BTW, Ian.....for someone who doesn't have any interest in these political discussions you seem to spend alot of time here...why is that? Are you a political junkie?

[HighRoller]

I'm so sick of the liberal catchphrase"affordable healthcare".You can walk into any insurance company coast to coast and get affordable healthcare.30 million Americans don't have health insurance,say the libs.Well,whose fault is that?? I bet every one of those 30 million people has a television,cable TV or a pretty nice car.Had they spent some of that money on insurance they wouldn't be bitching!Why is it the Governments job to wipe their ass and stick a bottle in their mouth?Americans used to be proud that they provided for themselves and now we're becoming a country of nothing but whiners with their hands out looking for something free from Uncle Sam.I don't think it's GWB's responsibility(or any other politician)to"revive"the economy.It's OUR job.Go buy something,spend money,don't listen to the idiots in the media who cry about how bad the economy is while burying stories about Wal-Mart having their best year EVER!!!!Home Depot and Lowe's up 14%.Unemployment lower than it ever was during Clinton's term.Car companies breaking sales records every month.This is a bad economy?The only people who want you to believe the economy is bad are people who have something to gain by a bad economy.People who are out of power right now.Who could that be?You'll find it in the dictionary between delusional and dispicable.

[Rexone]

[ August 15, 2003, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Rexone ]

[THOR]

N:ck:
So, ladies, how many teeth are ya missing? Two, three, fifteen maybe? You are the kind of punk who never gets a date in HS and gets trash canned daily.

[MagicMtnDan]

This is the from the URL posted in the first post:
Are You a Liberal?
It is my belief that about half of the Americans who call themselves liberal do not hold the great majority of positions held by mainstream liberal institutions such as the New York Times editorial page, People for the American Way, and the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. So here is a test of this thesis to be given to anyone who believes he or she is a liberal. If you feel I have omitted a liberal position or have unfairly characterized any of them here, please e-mail me. This is still a work in progress.
Thank you,
Dennis Prager
You say you are a liberal.
Do you believe the following?
1. Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
2. Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
3. Murderers should never be put to death.
4. During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
5. Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
6. It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
7. Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
8. It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
9. Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10. A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
11. The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
12. The present high tax rates are good.
13. Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values.
14. The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
15. The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
16. It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
17. No abortions can be labeled immoral.
18. Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
19. High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
20. Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
21. Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
22. It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
23. No culture is morally superior to any other.
Those are all liberal positions. How many of them do you hold?

[91nordic29]

"As a matter of fact, I DO vote just how my parents' friends' sister's brother's mother tells me to "
now there is something to be proud of.

[91nordic29]

"Liberalism is a cancer that has given birth to every social ill in our society over the last forty years...."
what the hell??????? that's ignorance at it's best.

[MagicMtnDan]

91nordic29:
"As a matter of fact, I DO vote just how my parents' friends' sister's brother's mother tells me to "
now there is something to be proud of. Looks like you missed the --> :D that was at the end of that SARCASTIC statement.

[MagicMtnDan]

91nordic29:
"Liberalism is a cancer that has given birth to every social ill in our society over the last forty years...."
what the hell??????? that's ignorance at it's best. How do you figure? Care to expound on that?

[91nordic29]

no, i think i will just sit here and read. maybe you people can "learn me somethin'"

[Dave C]

Rewrite history... ha ha ha.
Clinton helped pass the gas tax, which was the largest tax increase in history and since it wasn't progressive, it disproportionately affected poor people than the rich (go bill) Plus they helped raise the social security tax on the amounts over a certain minimum benefit. (thats a tax on the rich though)
universal health care... ha...how much is it going to cost? not less than I am paying now.
Someone did a study that most of the so called 30 million uninsured Americans were self-employed. Why? Partly because the self-employed up until recently could not deduct their health insurance premiums. (go figure)

[Dave C]

Thanks for posting that Dan,
My score..... zero.

[Dave C]

BTW, if you conservatives want to hear a real talk show host, listen to Michael Savage, if he is syndicated in your town. www.michaelsavage.com (http://www.michaelsavage.com)
He is kinda "gruff," so give it some time to grow on you.
He is right of Rush.

[nodigg]

So wait, I don't get it, how could you support a Democratic or Liberal viewpoint and be here on the forums. That is unless you bought your boat with welfare money you saved up or from a lawsuit which took money from some hard working Capitalist or work for the government gravy train. Are there really Democrats with boats? Shouldn't that money have been donated to those who can't (won't) work?? :D wink

[HighRoller]

"Liberalism is a cancer that has given birth to every social ill in our society over the last forty years...."
what the hell??????? that's ignorance at it's best.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you figure? Care to expound on that? Sure.Liberals support welfare,which has made being lazy a big payday.They also vehemently support abortion and single motherhood as virtuous endeavors.They oppose strong law enforcement and stiff penalties for criminals.They fight for the rights of illegal immigrants,child molesters and drug addicts.They penalize the acheivers to buy the votes of the underacheivers.They demand to teach children about sex and homosexuality in school while telling the children their belief in God is"offensive".Need I continue?I say liberalism is a cancer because to survive it must cannibalize healthy parts of society,therefore creating problems to solve and cultivating dependance.

[91nordic29]

i beleive that the "middle of the road" is alot wider than some people think. regarding the issues you mention:
welfare - a system that is way to open for abuse.
abortion/single motherhood both of which you seem to consider consider horrible. dont really want to get into the abortion issue and as for single motherhood, what is a woman supposed to do when for whatever reason the "donor" isnt around. conservatives are against abortion yet consider single motherhood a a disgrace.(??????)
criminal penalties - lock em all up if they have done something other than smoke a little grass or not pay his parking tickets, etc...
illegal immigrants - too many HAVE to do something other that "shoot 'em as they come in" but something and something QUICK.
child molesters - drawn and quartered.
sex education - hopefully the parents will teach their own children. it isnt apparent that has been the case though.
homosexuality - each to their own.
i knew i shouldnt have put my .02 in. i really didnt feel like discussing this stuff. smile_sp

[91nordic29]

91nordic29:
i beleive that the "middle of the road" is alot wider than some people think. regarding the issues you mention:
welfare - a system that is way too open for abuse.
abortion/single motherhood both of which you seem to consider horrible. dont really want to get into the abortion issue and as for single motherhood, what is a woman supposed to do when for whatever reason the "donor" isnt around. conservatives are against abortion yet consider single motherhood a a disgrace.(??????)
criminal penalties - lock em all up if they have done something other than smoke a little grass or not pay his parking tickets, etc...
illegal immigrants - way too many. HAVE to do something other than "shoot 'em as they come in" but something and something QUICK.
child molesters - drawn and quartered.
sex education - hopefully the parents will teach their own children. it isnt apparent that has been the case though.
homosexuality - each to their own.
i knew i shouldnt have put my .02 in. i really didnt feel like discussing this stuff. smile_sp

[91nordic29]

dang. i hate that.

[91nordic29]

shoot!

[gnarley]

Who's worse, Liberals or Conservatives? Liberals seem to think everything should be OK & those that can't take care of themselves should be taken care of at the cost of everyone else. Conservatives seem to think that if it does not fit their way of thinking it is wrong & you don't get assistance if you don't agree with them & that corporations & business can do what they want in a free market to make a buck unchecked.
Why can't one just be a moderate, fiscally conservative & socially liberal? Even though most of you wouldn't agree I would bet you really tend to be more liberal than you care to admit or you are a hypocrite. If you drive an SUV, do drugs or act in ways that you feel don't concern or effect anyone else isn't that a form of being liberal?
I for one can't stand either side! I can't stand the F***ing LIBERALS or the CONSERVITIVES. I am really tired of hearing one side saying that we need to protect everything & everyone from themselves & the other side saying that you cannot do as you want because it is not their way.
Quit spending my money on things I don’t want to support, like aid for non citizens & telling me what I may & may not think, like a woman’s right to choose as an individual or how to act if it does not affect anyone else like smoking pot, looking at pornography or having a loud boat, get over it.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

AzDon:
I think the conservative/moderate arm of the Democratic party (typified by Clinton) should split off and call themselves the "Common Sense" party. Wouldn't it be pointless to argue against common sense? Yeah, then you have to get rid of EVERY politician, even your fair haired boy Clinton.

[mickeyfinn]

Havasu_Dreamin:
AzDon:
I think the conservative/moderate arm of the Democratic party (typified by Clinton) should split off and call themselves the "Common Sense" party. Wouldn't it be pointless to argue against common sense? Yeah, then you have to get rid of EVERY politician, even your fair haired boy Clinton. While my views are pretty much 180 degrees from everything Bill stood for I do give him a very small amount of credit for commom sense. Commom sense tells me that if I am at work with the secret service all around to protect my interest and an intern wants to give me a Lewinsky while at my desk I'd take it :D :D

[HighRoller]

Gnarley,my definition of a"moderate"is someone who sits on the fence between issues for fear of taking a stand on anything.If this country were founded on moderate beliefs the saying would go" GIVE ME LIBERTY,OR GIVE ME....the next alternative acceptable to all parties involved." Hell,I may not agree with AZDon's ideological beleifs or thought process but I respect him because he has the balls to stand up for them.

[gnarley]

Well HR I do speak my mind & vote my conscience, either of which could be on one side of the issue or the other and have no fear to speak my mind or make my point. That’s why we vote, remember I also said I can't stand either side, they are both f***ed up and need to come a bit back towards the center IMHO. Maybe I am a Liberal Conservative :p

[AzDon]

mickeyfinn: Commom sense tells me that if I am at work with the secret service all around to protect my interest and an intern wants to give me a Lewinsky while at my desk I'd take it :D D [/QB]And here I thought a "Lewinski" was a type of Cigar!

[twistedpair]

Nah, it's actually a humidor! eek!

[Catmando]

Ian:
I am so sick of this political crap can't you people find another forum to bash each other on. I have my own political views which have nothing to do with hot boats, so I don't find it necessary to broadcast it all over this forum. Why is it people feel the need to criticize and degrade people with different views? Now an educated and adult debate is one thing, but most of you guys include no facts, nor common sense in your arguments. Cut the crap people, do some research and find the facts before you come on here and start slinging your political propaganda. How many of you actually do some research before you vote? Or do you just vote a certain way because your parents were democrats or all your friends are republicans. The mouth-breathing, right-wing goons have nothing else to talk about. :rolleyes:

[Catmando]

Prager is a religious loon and Savage is a Nazi scumbag.

[CAHotRodBoy]

New rule:
Every political post has to be accompanied by a boat photo! :D :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/750Side-med.jpg

[CAHotRodBoy]

Or a scantilly clad female! eek!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/152Heather-med.jpg