Moderators-Who appoints them?

[HOSS]

What is the criteria? Who appoints them? I`m sure you have to be a paying member. Does ***boat.net appoint them? Are they family, relatives, friends? Who decides what gets pulled or not?
I do understand that this is a website, not a democracy. But what the hell? I can remember when I was kicked out for stuff that is common place here now.
***boat.net is very active and I like it or I would not visit. But I strongly feel that some moderators are not "equipped" for their position on certain forums. I personnally feel the forums are for discussion good and bad. I also feel that moderators (ones who are good) will have more "hits" if he/she is good. By good I meen letting topics continue as long as not leanning towards "criminal activity". This could also be considerred when someone`s livileyhood is in jeapardy. But none the less still should be allowed open until that time.
With this in mind I feel dave has done a great job as moderator and I still support him as a moderator. Even though as I am a vet. He keeps his forums alive. And that`s why we are all here. There are other forums I just don`t like to visit any more because they are redundant.
Yes, you new this was coming. Bench racers was a great forum when started and from that ONE forum ***boat allowed a spin off of other forums. Bench racers spoke for itself. I started it. It was my crusade. Now there are other forums that no one visits but just to bench race. I gave ***boat the definative phrase.
Moderate this! It`s a damn good thing I can`t post pics!

[MJ19]

I'm not sure what the criteria is, but I can tell you the consistancy of the moderations are very different, so I think the 'rules' somewhat are in the hands of each indivdual moderator and the mood they are in that day.
On one of my other chit chat sites the moderators are pretty darn strict and would have closed that thread long before it got to page 2. In fact, it would have been completely deleted.
I enjoy the ability to hear both sides of topics, however, the name calling can sometimes get out of hand and does nothing productive. :rolleyes:
[ March 18, 2003, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: MJ19 ]

[MJ19]

RiverDave:
As far as the porn goes I think everyone kinda has a different opinion as to what is and isn't.
My opinion (which I've been very vocal about in the past) is if it's legal in Havasu, then it's legal for here. RD Curious if you consider it legal in Havasu, it's legal here...then why did you moderate Miller's post of that girl in the semi-see through bikini? Or were you just messing around with him? :confused:

[Hallett19]

Ax the moderators, such a joke, let us do what we want, we are all grown up's here, its not like we need moderators to keep our virgin eyes off of porn or vulgar words. I see worse things on the sopranos every week or pop up adds when I am cruising the net. There is no need for these guys and I hope you dont take any offense to my opinion but language and smut are still on the boards, moderators or not ...... like I said, we are all grown ups, we can handle anything you can throw at us. I'm probably one of the younger members here at the tender age of 24 and nothing has offended me yet, except racingrascal, but its no secret I am not a fan of his, at all.
[ March 18, 2003, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Hallett19 ]

[superdave013]

Hoss, I'm not a paying member. Heck, my subcription ran out too. (I do need to renew that :rolleyes: )
***boat's admin guy asked me if I would do it. I said yes only because I like the v drive forum so much. I didn't want to see it change.
I've deleted a few threads in the past. Now if I have to I'll just lock them.
I only edited 2 posts and both of those were calling people out to fight at CFW. I guess I'm luck to not have the porn troubles in that forum.
What does being a mod get me?? Nothing, It's a thankless position. I only get a hard time (from very few people). That's it man. No tee shirt, no free mag, no free acess to the pay section of the site.
Do you feel better now?

[superdave013]

Hallett19:
Ax the moderators, such a joke, let us do what we want, we are all grown up's here, its not like we need moderators to keep our virgin eyes off of porn or vulgar words. I see worse things on the sopranos every week or pop up adds when I am cruising the net. There is no need for these guys and I hope you dont take any offense to my opinion but language and smut are still on the boards, moderators or not ...... like I said, we are all grown ups, we can handle anything you can throw at us. No, we are not all grown ups. This site is for kids too. More people lurk then you think too. And yes, some tools still post smut on this site. I don't get that when there is so many other sites just for smut. (those sites have much better smut too :D )
If I got axed from being a mod it would not change my posting one bit. Like I said above, I get nothing out of it.

[HOSS]

felt fine to begin with but thanks for looking out for my well being. See, a fellow ***boater looking out for another.
No free t-shirt? No free subscription? Man, that fried my whole damn day.
I was just wondering what or how they came about.
Do you feel that their are too many forums now? I do. Just wondering what others think.

[miller19j]

RiverDave:
I don't recall the picture. PM it to me.
RD Bikini (http://www.microkinis.com/images/Large_2003/921_a_lg.jpg)
Dave this is a link to the photo I posted in the “Unbelievable Bikini” thread that was moderated. I do not know who removed it because my post and Tobtek’s post were deleted (they both had this picture). I would say that it is less reveling than your signature and it was removed. So therefore I would say that your signature would be deemed as inappropriate.
I don’t really care I am not offended by your signature. But the double standards is a little ridicules.

[HOSS]

I agree, no porn. Webs full of it.

[superdave013]

HOSS:
I was just wondering what or how they came about.
Do you feel that their are too many forums now? I do. Just wondering what others think. It all happened when the old ***boat guy left and a new guy took over. He's in to the techy stuff as far as the net goes but not a custom "Hot Boater" and was totaly new here.
The place was really out of control and almost got shut down becauses LFP was getting complaints about it. 100% of those complaints were due to PORNO.
He seems to have a life and no way could he read all the posts every night. So he thought is was best to find a few people who have been around awhile and have them as mods in their own sections.
To many forums, Yeah, I don't even go to half of them it seems. But who am I to say what stays or goes. I very rarely go to the bench racers (even though myself, you and schiada96's battle started it :) ) but you and others seem to like it. So it would be a shame to loose it. I'm sure others feel the same about their fav forum too.

[MJ19]

Hallett19:
we are all grown upsI could be wrong, but I don't think there is anything in the registering process that would stop teenagers from joining. (or younger kids for that matter) :confused:

[Froggystyle]

Actually, the first page states that you must be 18 to register.

[superdave013]

Froggystyle:
Actually, the first page states that you must be 18 to register. But not to lurk and view. Some women caught her kid looking at porn on the net. Yep, it was good ol ***boat .net.

[MJ19]

Froggystyle:
Actually, the first page states that you must be 18 to register. Ahh thanks...but can teenagers still see the threads if they are not registered?

[HOSS]

C`mon dude. One little disagreement shouldn`t thwart your efforts. I think you do a very valuable service to this site. Collectively ya`ll do a decent policing. You are a part of why this site is as popular as it is. Keep it rolling. When its silent is when you f`d up.

[miller19j]

In general I think that the moderators are fair and necessary. I have seen several occasions where their use was appropriate if not necessary. The group of people that have been chosen seem to be a group that covers the whole spectrum of members of this board, and I am guessing that is why they chose those people in particular.
I did not agree with the approach that Froggystyle took when he first became a moderator. I thought it was a little overbearing and militant. But in all fairness he saw a problem and addressed it how he felt was appropriate, and it worked. I would have done it differently but that is just a matter of people addressing a problem in different ways. I think that he and the rest of the moderators have all been fair, and done the job to the best of their ability.
Remember folks they get nothing for the work that they do. They are doing it for the better of the board. Like said above the boards were almost shut down at one point.

[miller19j]

miller19j:
RiverDave:
I don't recall the picture. PM it to me.
RD Bikini (http://www.microkinis.com/images/Large_2003/921_a_lg.jpg)
Dave this is a link to the photo I posted in the “Unbelievable Bikini” thread that was moderated. I do not know who removed it because my post and Tobtek’s post were deleted (they both had this picture). I would say that it is less reveling than your signature and it was removed. So therefore I would say that your signature would be deemed as inappropriate.
I don’t really care I am not offended by your signature. But the double standards is a little ridicules. RD,
Did you look at my post with the link to the picture?

[MJ19]

miller19j:
...the boards were almost shut down at one point. at that time we'd all move on over to www.havasudoug.com (http://www.havasudoug.com) :p wink :D

[superdave013]

MJ19:
miller19j:
...the boards were almost shut down at one point. at that time we'd all move on over to www.havasudoug.com (http://www.havasudoug.com) :p wink :D Well you might but my home away from home has always been havasubarney.com (http://havasubarney.com)

[Her454]

Not a paying member either, and I was asked to be a Moderator. I did it because I enjoy the site and it was explained to me that it could possibly be shut down due to problems with a kid viewing porn. I didnt want to see it change. I've deleted one thread in the past and locked a few in the bench racers. Its been a hassle at times and I've received some nasty emails and PMs (very few) from guys thinking a female shouldn't moderate. To each his own. I've always tried to be fair and go by the guidelines set up for the Moderators.

[miller19j]

Her454:
Its been a hassle at times and I've received some nasty emails and PMs (very few) from guys thinking a female shouldn't moderate. That’s funny I was happy that you became a moderator. I think that we should have at least one woman as a moderator.

[Her454]

miller19j
[QB I was happy that you became a moderator. I think that we should have at least one woman as a moderator. [/QB]Thanks Miller.

[MJ19]

superdave013:
Well you might but my home away from home has always been havasubarney.com (http://havasubarney.com) I can see that...the porn flows more freely there :p wink :D

[MJ19]

Her454:
miller19j
[QB I was happy that you became a moderator. I think that we should have at least one woman as a moderator. Thanks Miller. [/QB]Was he being sweet again? :D

[Jordy]

He was being a suck ass again. :D Sorry Miller, just call it as I see it. :p :D

[Hallett19]

superdave013:
Froggystyle:
Actually, the first page states that you must be 18 to register. But not to lurk and view. Some women caught her kid looking at porn on the net. Yep, it was good ol ***boat .net. I agree with you Dave, but in all honestly, has anyone ever gone to www.bangedup.com (http://www.bangedup.com) ? I can spout off hundreds of websites that you can go on with no verification of age as well as a no pay policy that has some of the most offending porn/gore pictures you have ever seen. I seriously doubt kids are coming to ***boat.com to check out porn and its nothing they dont see on magazine covers at news stands, popup adds on the net, or some of these mens magazines like stuff/fhm/maxim. And if these kids are 15 and have boats, they are some lucky little bastards because I would have never ever ever come to ***boat.net if I didnt have a boat.

[superdave013]

Hallett19:
superdave013:
Froggystyle:
Actually, the first page states that you must be 18 to register. But not to lurk and view. Some women caught her kid looking at porn on the net. Yep, it was good ol ***boat .net. I agree with you Dave, but in all honestly, has anyone ever gone to www.bangedup.com (http://www.bangedup.com) ? I can spout off hundreds of websites that you can go on with no verification of age as well as a no pay policy that has some of the most offending porn/gore pictures you have ever seen. I seriously doubt kids are coming to ***boat.com to check out porn and its nothing they dont see on magazine covers at news stands, popup adds on the net, or some of these mens magazines like stuff/fhm/maxim. And if these kids are 15 and have boats, they are some lucky little bastards because I would have never ever ever come to ***boat.net if I didnt have a boat. Well, then let the kids mom rag on the owners of those sites. I understand what you are saying also.
Oh, if this site would have been around when I was a kid I would have been here more then I am now. I grew up on a lake. Got my PowerBoat mag subscription when I was around 8 or 9. I still have all of those old mags at my mom's house.
I started driving my dad's alum row boat with a 20 merc when I was 11. Built my first boat at 14. Was 8' long and had that same 20 merc on the back. I'm sure there are other kids now like I was back then.

[Seadog]

Interesting enough, I got started looking at this site because of so called porn. Someone on another site posted a link to one of the earlier playboy style pics and I got curious. Once I started looking the forum over, I got interested in the discussions. Oh my god!!!! I just realized I'm a junkie.
Seriously, this site works because we can get into discussions besides bore and stroke. We don't need xxx ratings or barroom brawls.

[Jordy]

Hallett19:
I can spout off hundreds of websites that you can go on with no verification of age as well as a no pay policy that has some of the most offending porn/gore pictures you have ever seen. Aaron, this argument has been beat to death. Bottom line, it's not your site, it's not my site. The people who own and run it made the rules plain and simple. That's the end of it. They've yet to budge on it and I doubt they will. In this litigous society we live in today, I really can't blame them for not wanting to deal with the extra liability of an A.V.S. or dealing with the bullshit that would stem from some kid stumbling on here and looking at porn. Way more of a headache than it's worth, not to mention the money to defend it, even if it does say that you must be 18 to be here. Just my $.02

[MJ19]

jordanpaulk:
this argument has been beat to death. Today is the offical beat old battles to death day...didn't you know :p wink :D

[Hallett19]

I just think kids these days are growing up so fast that it doesnt really matter. My little brother is 16 and he has been into girls since he was 12, he would ask me questions all the time about girls and he had seen girls naked before, it was actually really funny. I with I had a big brother to provide me with porn when I was his age...

[126driver]

miller19j:
I did not agree with the approach that Froggystyle took when he first became a moderator. I thought it was a little overbearing and militant.A retired Navy SEAL was a little overbearing and militant? eek! Say it aint so. jawdrop :D j/k

[Johnwithjm]

RiverDave:
Well Hoss, I couldn't tell you "who" appoints them, but I can tell you that being a moderator has done me no favors since I became one, all it's done is cause me grief.
Good luck to the next guy that fills that position becuase I sure as shit don't want it.
RD RD I thought you loved to be in the spot light :D

[Havasu Hangin']

Hoss...you talkin' about me again?

[HOSS]

Not that I was aware of. Got too hot in here today. Cabin Fever.

[Froggystyle]

RiverDave:
Miller I TOTALLY DISAGREE that "it worked." All it did was piss people off! It took along time for ALL the other moderators to smooth out a situation that FroggyStyle created on his own with his "This is what were doin and **** you if you don't like it" attitude.
Millitant attitudes don't work for shit on the internet becuase there's no real means of enforcement. Appealing to everyones best interest works alot better.
RD Tone Dave... Tone.
Appealing to everyones best interests is what Clinton did. Not my style. I could see why it would appeal to you.
Perhaps I am a little fuzzy on the problem everyone had to sort out.... :confused:
You need to get over this s#$t Dave. Big time. You are acting like a sore loser. Get over it.

[rivercrazy]

Froggystyle:
RiverDave:
Millitant attitudes don't work for shit on the internet becuase there's no real means of enforcement. Appealing to everyones best interest works alot better.
RD Tone Dave... Tone.
Appealing to everyones best interests is what Clinton did. Not my style. I could see why it would appeal to you.
Perhaps I am a little fuzzy on the problem everyone had to sort out.... :D :confused:
You need to get over this s#$t Dave. Big time. You are acting like a sore loser. Get over it. So Wes, are you saying your President of this message board????? LMAO!

[Havasu Hangin']

HOSS:
Cabin Fever. Yeah...no shit...happens every year.
Ya know Hoss...the funny thing is...most people here don't realize what a moderator does- nothing.
Ya see, a moderator doesn't set policy. They are just another set of eyes for the board gods. Since Craig can't be on here 24/7, he gives some editing power to a few people...that way, the board can run smoothly...without the complaints to LFP, which almost shut it down. We can make suggestions on the site, but so can anyone.
It's funny how people always seem to want to blame "the man for keepin' them down"...and moderators are an easy target. Worth a tee shirt? Yeah right.
As for me, I'm the same idiot I was a couple years ago, when I first found this place. I just have a different title under my boat, and a couple new buttons...

[twistedpair]

Froggystyle:
Perhaps I am a little fuzzy on the problem everyone had to sort out.... :confused:
I was kinda curious about that one myself, but NOT so curious as to require an answer. Let it go! This tired-ass subject needs to die!

[Froggystyle]

Check your e-mail Dave.

[miller19j]

miller19j:
miller19j:
RiverDave:
I don't recall the picture. PM it to me.
RD Bikini (http://www.microkinis.com/images/Large_2003/921_a_lg.jpg)
Dave this is a link to the photo I posted in the “Unbelievable Bikini” thread that was moderated. I do not know who removed it because my post and Tobtek’s post were deleted (they both had this picture). I would say that it is less reveling than your signature and it was removed. So therefore I would say that your signature would be deemed as inappropriate.
I don’t really care I am not offended by your signature. But the double standards is a little ridicules. RD,
Did you look at my post with the link to the picture? One more time RD

[Hallett19]

Jordy, I agree with you, that is why I don't post smut or put many dirt words. I like porn though and porn and boats mix as well as drinking, partys, dephiling women, drugs, loud music, good friends, friendly aquaintances, hot chicks, sandbars, really loud music, more drinking, really hot chicks...... the point is, I'm not offended by anything but I can see how others easily can be and if ***boat got sued by some over concerned parent who's kid saw some boobies on here and I cant come on here anymore and see you guys rant and rave and call eachother names, that would ruin the 30 or so min a day I have invested in this place :D

[Jordy]

Hallett19:
Jordy, I agree with you, :D Exactly. The rest of it was right on, but this is my favorite part. :D

[502procharger]

Ok, i have to step in here. I was one of the guilty parties to this whole porn pics thing months ago. We were all given guidelines and i figures everyone understood. I started a new website www.hotboatpics.com (http://www.hotboatpics.com) for the sole reason to keep this site clean and still have a place to post and look at pictures that might not be appropriate on the hot boat site. I was under the impression that everyone kind of understood what was ok to post and what was not( as far as pictures go) hot boat does provide us with a great place to hang out and get some good info as well as hook up with a GREAT bunch of people. We do need to respect them. Enjoy the site. Post ALMOST anything you want, and have fun. For the pictures you know will cause problems post them over on my site. You need to remember Hot boat is a major player in the boating industry and i am sure they will be damned if they are going to let a few people who cant respect the rules of there site **** it up for everyone. I sure as hell would hate to loose this forum.