F*** GRAY DAVIS!! I just got my DMV Renewal

[Starloans]

burningm
I just got my DVM renewal for my "03 GMC 2500. $975!!!
I am so pissed right now I can't control myself.
I hope he looses his ass off. That SOB has ****ed up this state. Who the hell else in other states has to pay the stupid shit?
SOmeone please send me an email address for the Govenor. I want to send him a copy of my renewal along with a letter. THis recall shit is absoutley necessary. Electricity, DMV fees, economy, schools, WTF. I hope he never holds another public office again. I hope he has to file bankruptcy after this. I hope his wife and friends leave him!
I hear there are some attorneys sueing to stop the DMV shit. I WANT TO SEND THEM MONEY FOR SUPPORT! If anyone knows about it let me know.
GO TO HELL GRAY DAVIS!!!!
burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm

[77charger]

sd part is that this crap will prob continue for a long time.The people of this state were dumb to re elect him.And if that fag bustamante gets elected dont expect a change any time soon.

[WetWillie]

SL,
I agree 100% THIS SHIT SUCKS!! I am looking at forming a corperation in Nevada to help with the fricking costs of doing business in California.
Who do you guys think is the best choice out of all the candidates out there??
WW burningm burningm

[Raskal]

i thought the new tax was on brand new cars only. what the **** so my new reg on my 01 chevy should be about $700 or so .great just before christmas for me ."note to self never buy new truck in dec" :mad: :mad:

[faster]

Let me just say I am not defending anyone here. But Pete Wilson is the one that wrote the bill about DMV fees going up, not Joe Davis. Like I said I'm not defending anyone, just thought you might like to know.
And as for some people trying to sue, it won't work. It's a law that was written that says if the state can't write the checks to the Police Fire etc.... dept's then the registration fees have to go back up
[ September 12, 2003, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: faster ]

[burbanite]

Are we talking about registration renewals here?

[Havasu_Dreamin]

burbanite:
Are we talking about registration renewals here? Yes, unfortunately.

[Jrocket]

Oh I cant wait! My wifes car should be well over a $1000 bucks.Its getting out of hand quickly. :mad:

[burbanite]

Havasu_Dreamin:
burbanite:
Are we talking about registration renewals here? Yes, unfortunately. Jesus H etc.
I paid $24.75 for the boat trailer, $48.00 for the Suburban and $70.75 for the Merc.
I can't imagine what you get for your money that I don't. :confused:

[Jrocket]

burbanite:
I can't imagine what you get for your money that I don't. :confused: I cant either! My boat luxury tax was almost $800 bucks.Doesnt seem right to me! :mad:

[River Ric]

I just got mine on Monday for my 02' F350. $798.00 Last year it was only $550.00 All this and no Ky. As far as Pete Wilson is concerned, yes he wrote the law for emergency's only. Joe Davis has spent us into the ground and he wants to keep doing it. I am voting for Tom Mclintock. I'm not sure about Arnold. Besides if Bustemecha gets elected, I'm putting the house up for sale and moving the family out of this F***ed up liberal state. The Victocrats have flushed this state down the toilet. At the rate California is going, the only people left will be the illegals and the liberal politicians. Then were will they get any money for all of their B***S**T programs. I'd put up with a shorter summer for less taxes and stupid people. Just my 2 cents!!!! burningm burningm burningm

[ROZ]

River Ric:
Bustemecha burningm burningm burningm Ahhh. Another fellow John and Ken listener
:D

[JetBoatRich]

I can't wait to see mine for next year eek! 2004 F-350 supercrew.
Need to take out second for all our renewals next year. cry cry

[TRIMDOG]

Man, I just paid $600 for one of my trucks, and it's an f-150! Just the capper to the yearly liability ins. audit, outrageous work comp. quarterly bill, increased homeowners ins., commercial auto ins., increased auto ins., property tax coming in Oct., and oh yeah, gotta keep insurance on the cat (that's cheap). This state is so F**ked up! I just sent in my absentee ballott today voting for the recall. White flight isn't only for wealthy white boys anymore. Hopefully we'll get some change and balance in Sacramento.

[johnboy]

Damn you boys are getting F^%&ed....Shit I bitch when they add the $8.00 bridge tax to my 1 ton (which is like $90 a year) Dude ya'll need to kick those tax happy f-ers out of office......Jeeze man maybe Bust-a-demoncarat or what ever his name is right dude ya'll should just give up and turn it over to Mexico, hell you fellars could boost the mexican economy to ten X'd just in your Reg taxes..
Dman them Dems are screwing you...Squeel boy Squeel like a pig! jawdrop
John(glad I am from TX)boy

[Kilrtoy]

Relax everyone,
Remember this is where it was 3 years ago. All Davis did was lower it,and refund you some money. Now the fees have been returned back to where they were before.
NOTHING WAS RAISED.
The first year I bought my Expedition I paid 700, where the fees stay for two years, then it goes down a little every year. Well the relief came in and the next year I paided 233.
So you got a deal for awhile, get over it.....
[ September 13, 2003, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Kilrtoy ]

[e-ticket]

2002 Dodge SLT+ 1500 Quad =====$845
and Just in time for my birthday. Nice gift!

[JustMVG]

And by the looks of this GOD got HIS DMV renewal, and this is what he thinks of it. :D http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/BigErnieSalutes1s.jpg

[Outnumbered]

River Ric:
I just got mine on Monday for my 02' F350. $798.00 Last year it was only $550.00 All this and no Ky. As far as Pete Wilson is concerned, yes he wrote the law for emergency's only. Joe Davis has spent us into the ground and he wants to keep doing it. I am voting for Tom Mclintock. I'm not sure about Arnold. Besides if Bustemecha gets elected, I'm putting the house up for sale and moving the family out of this F***ed up liberal state. The Victocrats have flushed this state down the toilet. At the rate California is going, the only people left will be the illegals and the liberal politicians. Then were will they get any money for all of their B***S**T programs. I'd put up with a shorter summer for less taxes and stupid people. Just my 2 cents!!!! burningm burningm burningm If you vote for Mcklintock and he is not ahead in the polls then you are voting for Ross Perot all over again and Clinton (Bustamonte) will be the Gov of Cali. Mcklintock is too conservative for these libs in Cali. He won't win. I wish he were ahead but I don't think its gonna happen. Arnold is our best chance. Vote for Mcklintock, say hello to Bustamonte, and start packin'
OL

[Outnumbered]

Kilrtoy:
Relax everyone,
Remember this is where it was 3 years ago. All Davis did was lower it,and refund you some money. Now the fees have been returned back to where they were before.
NOTHING WAS RAISED.
The first year I bought my Expedition I paid 700, where the fees stay for two years, then it goes down a little every year. Well the relief came in and the next year I paided 233.
So you got a deal for awhile, get over it..... Sorry Kilrtoy but this relax and take it in the ass attitude is why this state in so deep now. We have to stand up to this stuff and not just keep suckin' it up. The economy can only take so much of this and its gonna tank.
BTW, here is a link to clarify some of the car tax myths. Just because the VLF fee was lowered over the past few years doesn't mean that they have an automatic right to raise it again. And yes IT WAS RAISED.
http://www.hjta.org/calcommentary007.htm
OL
[ September 13, 2003, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: Old Lavey ]

[Jrocket]

Kilrtoy:
Relax everyone,
So you got a deal for awhile, get over it..... No,I dont think so.

[faster]

Old Lavey sorry but don't believe everything you read. This Jon Coupal guy clearly has a political ageneda and he is innacurate and vague. http://www.hjta.org/calcommentary007.htm
When Pete Wilson prepared the Bill the local Police, Fire and otherwise questioned where the money would come from if the state could no longer afford to pay. It was written as a law at that time that said, if the state cannot meet the backfill then the fees would go back up.
Now I'm just as pissed about it as anyone but I also don't choose to believe any of the political bullshit that ALL these candidates are spouting. They'll all take a free ride when it comes to taking credit for something good and they'll all run when it comes to fessing up to something bad.
BTW everybody does realize that the fed's owe the state several Billion dollars right? maybe if they had paid what they owed then we wouldn't have to raise the fees because the state would have had the money to cover the Backfill.....Just some food for thought.
[ September 13, 2003, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: faster ]

[summerlove]

Kilrtoy and Faster are 100% accurate! While we may not like it, it's the truth. Wilson reduced the fees that went into effect over a 3 year period. When the bill was approved in the legislature, there was a stipulation that the fees wouild go back to their predescribed levels if and when the state's fiscal crisis required an increase in the fees.
At the time, everyone was happy, including the local governments - the legislature agreed to "backfill" the loss of revenues resulting from the reduced VLF fees. Fast forward to today - everyone, including the cities, are upset because the fees are going back up and the state may not continue to provide the VLF revene flow to the cities. You're pissed because the fees are going back to where they were, and everyone blames it on Davis. Well, California is not the only state in a fiscal crisis kids - there are a number of them. What about 9/11 - it hurt the economy of this country in ways we can't even imagine. We're only now beginning to recover. It's the trickle down effect of high unemployment related to 9/11 and other economic situations, people not spending, corporations cutting back expenses, families not travelling, etc. Are we in a difficult situation - hell yes! The link provided by REXONE isn't 100% true - it's the Jarvis propaganda all over again - it might as well be Rush or Roger spewing because everything that comes out of their pie holes is pure BS.

[HammerDown]

Dammm, and I thought I had it tough at $84.00 smakers for my F250 :p

[Outnumbered]

The point is that if Davis was not implementing all of these socialist programs we wouldn't be spending so much that we need to raise the VLF back up. You guys just don't get it. Other states survived 9/11 without astronomical taxes and multi-billion dollar budget deficits. That's just a BS excuse.
OL

[Starloans]

burningm burningm burningm
Faster is right. It is a Wilson bill that was reduced when the budget was in better shape. But Davis made sure to **** that up so they have to pay the firemen, etc. so they smoke our ass again.
DMV fees, license for illegals, workerers comp., etc. Its all ****ed up because of him.
You guys who think we should just take it and deal with it? I bet you're the kind of guys the just lay there and take it while your wife or girlfriend bangs you and does all the work! Do you just lay there and take it then too?
RECALL HIS ASS!!!!
Someone send him a copy of this thread.
burningm burningm burningm

[Starloans]

burningm
What do I have to do to register my truck in AZ besides move there?

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

What are their f**kin fee's. I'd like to see what they pay or do they? We own our own co. and the fee's are going to be so f**kin high we have 2 vans and 2 trucks not to mention the boat the motorcycle comin and 2 off road vehicles. Where is the K.Y they are givin it to everyone dry. WTF is this state going, besides 6 feet under. People are really going to stop with the ins. then we are really up shit creek without a pattle. :mad: burningm

[BigBoyToys]

Old Lavey:
River Ric:
I just got mine on Monday for my 02' F350. $798.00 Last year it was only $550.00 All this and no Ky. As far as Pete Wilson is concerned, yes he wrote the law for emergency's only. Joe Davis has spent us into the ground and he wants to keep doing it. I am voting for Tom Mclintock. I'm not sure about Arnold. Besides if Bustemecha gets elected, I'm putting the house up for sale and moving the family out of this F***ed up liberal state. The Victocrats have flushed this state down the toilet. At the rate California is going, the only people left will be the illegals and the liberal politicians. Then were will they get any money for all of their B***S**T programs. I'd put up with a shorter summer for less taxes and stupid people. Just my 2 cents!!!! burningm burningm burningm If you vote for Mcklintock and he is not ahead in the polls then you are voting for Ross Perot all over again and Clinton (Bustamonte) will be the Gov of Cali. Mcklintock is too conservative for these libs in Cali. He won't win. I wish he were ahead but I don't think its gonna happen. Arnold is our best chance. Vote for Mcklintock, say hello to Bustamonte, and start packin'
OL I agree.... I would like to see McClintock in office but will settle for my 2nd choice if necessary (Arnold). I'll be keeping an eye on the polls right up until Oct. 7. Hopefully one or the other drops out so we don't have a split vote. I say get rid of Davis AND Bustamente.

[DAB]

Why don't you register the boat in Az? Coast guard says it can be registered in the state of primary use. I bought a new 29 Shockwave 15 mos ago, 3 mos later I filled out the paperwork to transfer the boat to Az. Got my luxury tax bill 1 mo later, called them up and let them know that my boat is no longer registered in Ca. Faxed them the paperwork and they took me off of their list. Just a suggestion.
Jrocket:
burbanite:
I can't imagine what you get for your money that I don't. :confused: I cant either! My boat luxury tax was almost $800 bucks.Doesnt seem right to me! :mad:

[summerlove]

Starloans:
I bet you're the kind of guys the just lay there and take it while your wife or girlfriend bangs you and does all the work! Do you just lay there and take it then too?
OK, I'm a f'ing idiot. You're right. The comment above made me change my mind - not! That was such a childish statement I can't even believe you posted something so stupid. Very, very intelligent argument!

[faster]

summerlove:
Starloans:
I bet you're the kind of guys the just lay there and take it while your wife or girlfriend bangs you and does all the work! Do you just lay there and take it then too?
OK, I'm a f'ing idiot. You're right. The comment above made me change my mind - not! That was such a childish statement I can't even believe you posted something so stupid. Very, very intelligent argument! I'm telling you, the comments like this are exactly what scares me about the voting public.
I think the general public should have to take a test on the candidates, what they stand for, and what they've done before being allowed to vote.
the economy is bad and they all think they know the answers, comedy
[ September 13, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: faster ]

[FingerTight]

Yesterday I signed a petition to get the vehicle tax recal on the ballot.
We need to find this on the internet and cirulate it ASAP!
Anyone aware of where it is?
I will call pops and ask him where he ran across it.
PS - 02 Chevy, 572$

[Kilrtoy]

You guys who think we should just take it and deal with it? I bet you're the kind of guys the just lay there and take it while your wife or girlfriend bangs you and does all the work! Do you just lay there and take it then too?
YES I WOULD, nothing wrong with getting serviced once in awhile.
Ok all you ricket sciencist who bought a new car in 99 look at the fees. Now look at your fees. big difference. All they are doing is is reinstating the old VLF schedule.
Here is an example.
So you go to a burger joint and get to know the owner So he now gives you a burger, fries and a coke for a buck. This goes on for a years. You love it. Well one day the owner charges you the right original price of 4 bucks. Is he an ass. NO he gave a break for years and now charges you the right price...
Do I like the new VLF no, but its not wrong......

[Boatcop]

I don't know what you're all worried about.
As soon as the illegal immigrants get their driver's licenses, they'll be registering their vehicles, and buying insurance.
That will surely bring all the fees and premium costs down.
And then monkeys will fly out of my butt.

[faster]

Boatcop:
I don't know what you're all worried about.
As soon as the illegal immigrants get their driver's licenses, they'll be registering their vehicles, and buying insurance.
That will surely bring all the fees and premium costs down.
And then monkeys will fly out of my butt. Now those are whole new topics, I mean the Illegal Immigrant Licenses and the monkey's flying out of your butt :D
[ September 13, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: faster ]

[dcb carrera]

Does it really matter who raised or lowered it. It needs to be reduced. :mad: In the long run it could cost the state more money if it create a slow down in car sales. Sales tax, DMV fees, jobs, etc.
[ September 13, 2003, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: dcb/carrera ]

[lovemyultra]

I know how you all feel ,I am not doing as bad as I thought mine went from 335 to 499 but I feel bad for you guys with the 800 dollar tags

[CA Stu]

Boatcop:
I don't know what you're all worried about.
As soon as the illegal immigrants get their driver's licenses, they'll be registering their vehicles, and buying insurance.
That will surely bring all the fees and premium costs down.
And then monkeys will fly out of my butt. How much is your room for rent where I can have my vehicles registered?
Boatcop Maildrop Incorporated, here we come ( I get 5 % coz it was my idea wink )
CA Stu
I mean AZ Stu

[Rexone]

summerlove:
The link provided by REXONE isn't 100% true - it's the Jarvis propaganda all over again - it might as well be Rush or Roger spewing because everything that comes out of their pie holes is pure BS. I'm just curious what link I provided?
:confused:

[Starloans]

Kilrtoy:
You guys who think we should just take it and deal with it? I bet you're the kind of guys the just lay there and take it while your wife or girlfriend bangs you and does all the work! Do you just lay there and take it then too?
YES I WOULD, nothing wrong with getting serviced once in awhile.
Ok all you ricket sciencist who bought a new car in 99 look at the fees. Now look at your fees. big difference. All they are doing is is reinstating the old VLF schedule.
Here is an example.
So you go to a burger joint and get to know the owner So he now gives you a burger, fries and a coke for a buck. This goes on for a years. You love it. Well one day the owner charges you the right original price of 4 bucks. Is he an ass. NO he gave a break for years and now charges you the right price...
Do I like the new VLF no, but its not wrong...... I don't have the right answers for Calif., but someone other than Gray Davis does. Charging less than $975 for vehicle reg is not "giving me a break".

[summerlove]

Rexone:
summerlove:
The link provided by REXONE isn't 100% true - it's the Jarvis propaganda all over again - it might as well be Rush or Roger spewing because everything that comes out of their pie holes is pure BS. I'm just curious what link I provided?
:confused: You're right, I'm very sorry - I had just read your pm and I had you on the mind - sorry for the cross-over. It was Old Lavey's link, Mea Culpa!

[summerlove]

titties and beer:
how bad do they get you on a boat in cal $5.00, PLUS 1% personal property tax. ($500/yr on a $50K boat) That's why we register in AZ for about $150/yr) (OK, BoatCop: My boat resides 100% of the time in AZ, and other than the occasional stop at Black Meadow for ice, it hasn't in in cali for about 5 years.) wink

[locogringo]

Kilrtoy
Here is an example.
So you go to a burger joint and get to know the owner So he now gives you a burger, fries and a coke for a buck. This goes on for a years. You love it. Well one day the owner charges you the right original price of 4 bucks. Is he an ass. NO he gave a break for years and now charges you the right price...
Do I like the new VLF no, but its not wrong...... [/QB]I don't think that is really the issue here Kilr...
What has MOST sane people so upset is the fact that Gumby (Davis) has been spending more than what is coming in and doing so irresponsibly. That is why most people are so upset about this increase in the car registration tax.
Another example...
Your father runs a multi-billion dollar company and is in charge of all its finances. You give him a check for $500 every other week just for being his son. So do your other 11 brothers. This goes on for two years while he is out frolicking around, buying hundreds of expensive suits and ties, whooping it up at strip bars and massage parlors spending thousands a month, buying meals for him and his whole office at Spago's every week and the list goes on.
It comes to his realization after two years that many areas of his company are failing miserably and may need to be shut down and/or have people fired. This is an avenue he doesn't want to take because he is afraid that people might not like the fact that he will upset some individuals and he needs to stay on that "A" list with his social realm. So, he goes to his 12 sons and says that he won't be able to be supported by their $500 every other week and now demands that they give him $1500 every other week.
The fathers sons are outraged. Are they not so justified?
Read into it...
[ September 13, 2003, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: locogringo ]

[River Ric]

I post a reply and am busy all day with high school football and I come back to hear all of this crap about who rasied the VLF tax or what? What part of the "Gray Davis pissed away a $32 Billion that's BILLION, surplus that Pete Wilson left in the state tresurey don't you morrons get." This was the reason that he reduced that Reg. tax to begin with. Then Gray Dufuss adds 30,000 new state employee's and pays hush money to all of the prison gaurds that sent him a fat contibution, and having the guy who negotiated the Edison contacts while he was also being paid $250,000. from the Edison Co. What part of just take it up the ASS, am I supposed to understand.
Yes I know that Mcclintok is not as high in the polls as Arnold. No, I will not waste my vote either. If we consevatives don't take back this state and soon, it will be a desert again real soon. pig_flyi pig_flyi pig_flyi pig_flyi

[Outnumbered]

So some of you don't like my other link. Here is a link showing a pretty comprehensive list of all of the taxes that Gray is attempting to stick us with. Keep in mind those numbers are in billions:
http://www.caltax.org/GovernorsBudgetTaxFee2003-047.pdf
Here is a chart showing how we already pay far more taxes in this state than the other western states. I'm sure that when we raise them even higher that businesses will just stay here and take it in the ass instead of moving to NV or AZ
pig_flyi
http://www.caltax.org/California.htm
And finnaly, Summer Love, I am still trying to figure out why you are in favor of Gray and his spending but a while back you were talking about registering your vehicles out of state to avoid the high fees (I see your boat is already there). You see if Gray would stop the spending the VLF wouldn't have to go up again and you wouldn't have to worry about that. :D
OL
[ September 13, 2003, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: Old Lavey ]

[Kilrtoy]

So he created 30000 jobs , God forbid that. Wislon didnt due it and the state was going beyond understaffed for years. He gave them raises that they hadent received in years under wilson, and he raised prison guards salary, SHIT THEY DESERVE IT they were in the lowest 10% paid in the country. I dont get it crreated jobs that were despretely needed.
Stick anyone else in there and shit nothing will change. It will just be other things instead....
YES WILSON WAS AND STILL IS A PIECE OF SHIT. WHEN I WORKED FOR THE STATE I DIDNT HAVE A RAISE IN 4 YEARS. MY MOTHER WORKED FOR THE STATE AND IT WAS ALMOST 10 UNDER THAT PIECE OF SHIT WILSON.
What would you do if your employer never gave you a raise........

[TheLurker]

Old Lavey:
So some of you don't like my other link. Here is a link showing a pretty comprehensive list of all of the taxes that Gray is attempting to stick us with. Keep in mind those numbers are in billions:
http://www.caltax.org/GovernorsBudgetTaxFee2003-047.pdf
Here is a chart showing how we already pay far more taxes in this state than the other western states. I'm sure that when we raise them even higher that businesses will just stay here and take it in the ass instead of moving to NV or AZ
pig_flyi
http://www.caltax.org/California.htm
And finnaly, Summer Love, I am still trying to figure out why you are in favor of Gray and his spending but a while back you were talking about registering your vehicles out of state to avoid the high fees (I see your boat is already there). You see if Gray would stop the spending the VLF wouldn't have to go up again and you wouldn't have to worry about that. :D
OL I dont see anything in those links that shows the increase in (SDI) State Disability Insurance that we started paying this year. Have you noticed that. Compare what you have paid year to date into SDI this year against last year.I thought this increase was done to pay for more family leave time off (Which was already covered under a federal Family leave law).

[dcb carrera]

[/B] What would you do if your employer never gave you a raise........ [/B]
I would quit and find a new job :confused:

[Sherpa]

Sherpa's having a car/truck sale! that's right
folks, where else can you buy a 1997 loaded Chevy
astrovan for 100 bucks-? also, I gotta unload my
towrig, a 1990 ford f250... only 100 bucks each!
of course, you only get them for 1 month/ea. and,
they'll still be parked in my driveway, and I'll
be driving them.
I wonder how long the limit is on selling a vehicle, then buying it back a month later-?
of course retarded dmv still thinks my ford is
worth about 15k, and the van is on their books
for about 20k.......
so, sell yer rig to a relative or freind, then
1 month later, buy it back... for 100 bucks.
re-reg, and now your tags are based on a 100
truck, not a 30k truck.
--just a thought..........
Sherpa
(looking into dmv reg's now)

[dego red]

Wow, you guy's sure have one hell of a sunshine tax. We do not have any luxury tax or registration fee on our boats. There is a licence fee for all vehicles that goes by wieght. For my F-250 it is about $125.00 that is included in the total cost of insurance for the year. My insurance runs about $740.00 for the truck and $58.00 a year for the boat trailer. If you can put up with a little cold weather........Yeah maybe not. :D :rolleyes: red

[Starloans]

Kilrtoy:
So he created 30000 jobs , God forbid that. Wislon didnt due it and the state was going beyond understaffed for years. He gave them raises that they hadent received in years under wilson, and he raised prison guards salary, SHIT THEY DESERVE IT they were in the lowest 10% paid in the country. I dont get it crreated jobs that were despretely needed.
Stick anyone else in there and shit nothing will change. It will just be other things instead....
YES WILSON WAS AND STILL IS A PIECE OF SHIT. WHEN I WORKED FOR THE STATE I DIDNT HAVE A RAISE IN 4 YEARS. MY MOTHER WORKED FOR THE STATE AND IT WAS ALMOST 10 UNDER THAT PIECE OF SHIT WILSON.
What would you do if your employer never gave you a raise........

[Starloans]

Kilrtoy:
So he created 30000 jobs , God forbid that. Wislon didnt due it and the state was going beyond understaffed for years. He gave them raises that they hadent received in years under wilson, and he raised prison guards salary, SHIT THEY DESERVE IT they were in the lowest 10% paid in the country. I dont get it crreated jobs that were despretely needed.
Stick anyone else in there and shit nothing will change. It will just be other things instead....
YES WILSON WAS AND STILL IS A PIECE OF SHIT. WHEN I WORKED FOR THE STATE I DIDNT HAVE A RAISE IN 4 YEARS. MY MOTHER WORKED FOR THE STATE AND IT WAS ALMOST 10 UNDER THAT PIECE OF SHIT WILSON.
What would you do if your employer never gave you a raise........ Ahhh. Now I understand.
You and your family deserved a raise each year. You also deserved a job. Wait a couple of years and see if future state employees get a raise. They will be lucky to have a job after the Davis cluster ****.
If a raise wasen't happening you should have found another job. California has a lot of options for employment.
Working for the state would be a last resort for employment for me.
You voted for Gray Davis didn't you? I voted for Bill Simon.
Vote for change Kilr. It will be better in the long run.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Jrocket:
I cant either! My boat luxury tax was almost $800 bucks.Doesnt seem right to me! :mad: That's why you register your boat in AZ.

[Kilrtoy]

Your god damn ****in right I deserved a raise. The cost of living went up so should my check. I did find another job and in 92 jobs were not easy to come by, thank WISLON for that one.
YES I DID vote for Grey Davis twice to be exact.
Politicains are ****ed up period,
Pick a new one, Change the Name, Shit will still remain the same.....

[JustMVG]

I got this from and e mail and thought i would share it with all of you, made me think.
Cigarette Tax
City Sales Taxes
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation
was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt,
had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise
the kids.
What happened?

[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

Starloans:
burningm
I just got my DVM renewal for my "03 GMC 2500. $975!!!
I am so pissed right now I can't control myself.
I hope he looses his ass off. That SOB has ****ed up this state. Who the hell else in other states has to pay the stupid shit?
SOmeone please send me an email address for the Govenor. I want to send him a copy of my renewal along with a letter. THis recall shit is absoutley necessary. Electricity, DMV fees, economy, schools, WTF. I hope he never holds another public office again. I hope he has to file bankruptcy after this. I hope his wife and friends leave him!
I hear there are some attorneys sueing to stop the DMV shit. I WANT TO SEND THEM MONEY FOR SUPPORT! If anyone knows about it let me know.
GO TO HELL GRAY DAVIS!!!!
burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm Here you go
Governor's Office
Governor Gray Davis
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633
governor@governor.ca.gov

[Starloans]

Kilrtoy:
Your god damn ****in right I deserved a raise. The cost of living went up so should my check. I did find another job and in 92 jobs were not easy to come by, thank WISLON for that one.
YES I DID vote for Grey Davis twice to be exact.
Politicains are ****ed up period,
Pick a new one, Change the Name, Shit will still remain the same..... Kilr, you and I finally agree. wink

[locogringo]

Starloans:
Kilrtoy:
Your god damn ****in right I deserved a raise. The cost of living went up so should my check. I did find another job and in 92 jobs were not easy to come by, thank WISLON for that one.
YES I DID vote for Grey Davis twice to be exact.
Politicains are ****ed up period,
Pick a new one, Change the Name, Shit will still remain the same..... Kilr, you and I finally agree. wink The depravity of America within that post!
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[Sandbar Mike]

Looks like my cars are going to have Arizona License plates soon. Off to Havasu next week for a stop off at Arizona MVD. If you have a place out there, do it. devil

[Seadog]

Cigarette Tax Tobacco tax
City Sales Taxes existed
Corporate Income Tax Called business tax then
Court Fines (indirect taxes) did exist
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Lost your job, you starved
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax salmonela
Fuel permit tax For what?
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon) Again, for what?
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money) existed
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) No IRS
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) No IRS
Liquor Tax Ever hear of the Whiskey Tax Rebellion?
Local Income Tax existed
Luxury Taxes existed
Marriage License Tax It is called a fee and existed
Medicare Tax No Medicare. Get sick and be rich or die.
Property Tax Main form of taxation for 200+ years
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax Get real
Road Toll Booth Taxes Predates the U.S.
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers) No truckers
Sales Taxes existed
School Tax existed
Septic Permit Tax No septic tanks. Ever hear of outhouses?
Service Charge Taxes existed
Social Security Tax You had kids and hoped they took care of you
State Income Tax existed
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) You worked or died
Telephone federal excise tax No one had telephones
Telephone federal universal service fee tax ditto
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes ditto
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax ditto
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax ditto
Telephone state and local tax ditto
Telephone usage charge tax ditto
Toll Bridge Taxes existed
Toll Tunnel Taxes existed
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation) Different than now, but existed
Trailer registration tax For what?
Utility Taxes For what?
Vehicle License Registration Tax For what?
Vehicle Sales Tax For what?
Watercraft registration Tax For what?
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax No worker's compensation
You conveniently forget that we had almost no defense until WWI, That we were not considered a world power until the Spanish American War, The import/export fees of the past, Rail taxes, Cotton tax, Goods tax, Most cities had numerous taxes and fees, and you got very little for it.
[ September 15, 2003, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: Seadog ]

[Blown 472]

few months of cold weather, and 45.00 to register. Midwest not to bad after all.

[summerlove]

Old Lavey:
And finnaly, Summer Love, I am still trying to figure out why you are in favor of Gray and his spending but a while back you were talking about registering your vehicles out of state to avoid the high fees (I see your boat is already there). You see if Gray would stop the spending the VLF wouldn't have to go up again and you wouldn't have to worry about that. :D
OL OK, OL, here's the deal. I have more than two vehicles - my suburban, like my boat, live in AZ, at the house I own, pay taxes for, etc. Was it a way to get out of paying a little more, yea it was, but it was also a legitimate question. Did I do it - NO. In fact, I just received my renewal for the Chevy a coupke of weeks ago and it went up form 170/yr to 550/yr. Oh well....Check gets maioled to Cal DMV next week!

[Ntwotrance]

Boatcop:
I don't know what you're all worried about.
As soon as the illegal immigrants get their driver's licenses, they'll be registering their vehicles, and buying insurance.
That will surely bring all the fees and premium costs down.
And then monkeys will fly out of my butt. Well, they did poll some of these drivers who are getting their "free license" to see how many are actually going to get insurance...not many (they can't afford it). And what did the insurance company say about all this? Most of them responded by saying "we're going to raise everyone's premiums because we don't know what type of drivers we will be dealing with"....so, grab onto your cheeks kids, because this state isn't getting any better....

[Boatcop]

Just a quick note on a few of those taxes listed above, and what you get from them.
Most taxes to do with fuel, or the "Trucker" tax is used to build and maintain roads. Without them we'd still be driving on dirt roads. The fuel tax is a way for thoses who use the roads pay for their construction and upkeep. Truckers have an additional tax because the added weight of an OTR puts much more strain and wear and tear on the roads.
And before you say "What about all the gas I buy at regular gas stations for my boat?", there's a survey done every few years that goes to a cross section of registered boat owners, Marinas, Gas stations, and also done on site at many launch areas. The main questions are "How much gas per year do you purchase for your boat?" and "How much of this gas is purchased at land based gas stations?"
The results of these surveys determine how much (percentage wise) of the gasoline tax should be transferred for waterway based programs. Some of the things it funds is lake improvement and maintenance, lake side campgrounds, Marine Law Enforcement, new lake construction, etc.
In Arizona almost all public Lake facilities, like the Parker and Havasu area State Parks, County Parks, Public launch ramps, my salary, and other water based recreational facilities and services are funded in part, if not entirely, by a percentage of gasoline taxes attributed to marine use.
If you think the ramps at Windsor or Katherines are crowded now, think what they'd be like if thoses funds didn't exist.

[mike37]

ok so it works in AZ but not in cali and we pay more id be happy to pay at the AZ rate

[J540]

Yes the fee's suck.mabe someone new i office will help, mabe not for awhile.i live in cal,and have a house in vegas NV,where my boat is reg,at cuz cal, want's over $350 just for lux,tax. and x amount for reg, yha OK.bite me :D trailer isn't that bad though. but it to is reg, in NV.they want $1000 for my new EXCUSION in cal,again yha right. :p . very frustrating.but you can reg,your boat in AZ,NV its where it is used at the most. %of time.trailer has to be ca, well not really,but if CHP stops you he/she will ask you why your trailer not reg, in cal,cuz your ca,DL shows you live in cal, and give you a fixit ticket. oh well.been there done that.hint the reason why wife has NV DL.and is on all paper work.yes some of you are right 3/4 years ago fee's were almost the same.thats why my junk is still in NV,.

[River Ric]

I want to know were it says that you deserve a raise Kilrtoy? It's that kind of liberal mentality that has raised the price of a truck to $40,000. That's more then I paid for my first house, and I'm only 45 and live in CA. You don't deserve or are owed anything!!!! You EARN a raise. At least that's how those of us in the private sector justify a raise. I am in sales and if I don't sell, I don't get paid. It doesn't matter if my cost of living has gone up or I just deserve to but a bigger boat. That kind owed thinking is pure socialistic. If you or your mother don't like it, then go find another damm job. I'm sick of hearing you Government employees whine about your stupid cost of living raise every year. Most of you would be back at home if you actually had to go out and produce something. It's also you bleeding heart liberals that that complain about the rich. You forget that they are the ones that employ us. Most of them got rich because they busted their ass and didn't whine about the raise they didn't get. They are what has made this country great. Davis didn't create 30,000.new jobs. The government dosen't create anything!!!!!! The just redistribute wealth from the hard working class people, which you are probably a member to those who are too lazy to get off of the asses and get a job.It's your VICTACRAT mentality that has nearly run this great state into the ground. Soon, all that will be left will be you and all of the eliteists and illegal's with new CA. drivers license. I don't have patience for you liberals that say we need to be more tolorent as long as it is your way. F**K YOU and all of your mindless liberal brothers. I hope California becomes exactly what you want it to be. All I see is a desert!!!!!! burningm burningm burningm burningm burningm

[Kilrtoy]

Yes I do deserve a raise so, **** YOU. I worked my ass off for the state and got nothing in return. Oh lets talk about raises. You get percent of sales. So you dont get a raise, YOU JUST RAISE THE PRICE OF THE SHIT YOU SELL, WHICH IN TURN GETS YOU MORE COMMISSION. I'm not as stupid as you sound. Dog food has gone up in the past ten years so has your commission. So again, **** YOU. Lets talk about cars over 40K. That is the private section, UAW my friend, Blame them not the government . Oh I work my ass of still today havent had a raise in 10 years again. I would leave but the private sector just isnt going to pay me what I make now. Liberal far from it. Exactly the opposite.

[Kilrtoy]

Oh dont be pissed off because I make enough money to keep my wife at home and still have a NEW boat, 2 NEW cars(1 WHICH NEVER GETS DRIVEN), A NEW bike and take trips all over the world every year, for the past 7 years.......
And YES Im going to buy a new truck at over 40K and I'm not complaining, unlike you.
By the way my dog needs some food, what should I expecxt to pay in the next year after you raise the price to get your raise..... :D :D :D :D :D
[ September 16, 2003, 12:05 AM: Message edited by: Kilrtoy ]

[Rexone]

Kilrtoy:
Oh I work my ass of still today havent had a raise in 10 years again. I would leave but the private sector just isnt going to pay me what I make now. Kilr, I mean no disrespect and am honestly just interested in why you feel you're underpaid if you self admittedly can't make the same money in the private sector doing similar work. Why is it that because people work for the government they feel they're entitled to more money for the same job than if they worked in the private sector.
I'm seriously just asking the question because I don't understand the reasoning. I have a teacher that works for me part time, makes more money than the US average household income by almost 2X, makes much more than the average teacher even, and still complains about small 1-2% raises, would like 4-6%. On top of that doesn't work for 2 1/2 months. I guess I'm just missing something (or I should have been a teacher). :confused:
While at the same time as above, I'm selling boat parts for a living, making less money than anytime in the past decade for a multitude of reasons, many of which are government induced in recent years. Between workmans comp, general insurance, high overhead etc, it is very tough to just turn a profit in CA, much less make any serious money beyond average wages, for the small businessperson. I realize this problem isn't exclusive to CA but do feel it is much worse here than most locales.
Again Kilr, no offence to you intended. Just curious as to the reasoning.
[ September 16, 2003, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: Rexone ]

[LVjetboy]

Rex,
How about moving here I hear we're cheaper. In fact, put your HQ and a super store right next to my house I'll be :)
jer

[NorCal Gameshow]

rex, what is going on with workers comp. ins.??? i hear rates are skyrocketing....it's just another reason for small and med. sized business' to pack up and bail or pass the cost to the consumer which will most likely reduce sales... it's a vicious circle...

[Rexone]

NorCal Gameshow:
rex, what is going on with workers comp. ins.??? i hear rates are skyrocketing....it's just another reason for small and med. sized business' to pack up and bail or pass the cost to the consumer which will most likely reduce sales... it's a vicious circle... skyrocketing is a good description. I think the guys in Sacramento running the state are primarily responsible. But WC is only the tip of the iceberg.
Our general liability/product liability insurance has quadrupled in cost in the past 2 year period. This amount alone in increase equals more than the average household family income in this country. And my company is very small relative to many small businesses. Liability insurance is generally revenue based, so the more revenue a business turns, the harder they're hit on insurance premium. Not that this insurance issue is directly government caused, but they surely have taken no steps to curb it or discourage it either in terms of directly dealing with the insurance companies or curtailing the frivilious lawsuits allowed in the courts, which drive these costs up primarily. Generally California has a state government that is as unfriendly to small business as it could possibly be. And, small business employs the majority of people, so guess who ultimately loses when small business loses and struggles? People lose jobs, new jobs are not created, wages do not go up, products and services cost more to offset business overhead, it goes on and on. Everyone ultimately loses when government doesn't give a shit.
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And jer there's no way I could do that. You'd be over there analysing every aspect of the operation with spreadsheets of numbers stretching from there to Lake Mead and we'd never get any work accomplished. :D
[ September 16, 2003, 01:49 AM: Message edited by: Rexone ]

[NorCal Gameshow]

there are things that need to be regulated. insurance is one of those things. if the government requires you to have it. then you should be able to acquire it at a reasonable rate...