Drivers License for Illegal Aliens

[SoCalOffshore]

Vote now if illegal aliens should be allowed CA drivers licenses. Remember these licenses will be issued without any form of identification!

[SoCalOffshore]

I don't know about you, but when I got my CA DL, i had to show a certified copy of my birth certificate to prove who I was. Under this new law, you can get one without this proof, what stops one from getting multiple licenses with different names?

[Mandelon]

There will be a lot of not so fake ID's after that passes. :rolleyes: Davis is such a f*cking *****!! burningm

[SoCalOffshore]

My last comment. Do you realize when you get your DL without valid ID, you can also request a voter registration card and submit direct to the DMV. Basically, this can facilitate illegal aliens to vote in the state of CA. Think about that for a few minutes.

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

They or most have more than one. We have a worker that works for us and his dl was issued to an illegal and now we found out our worker with no tickets or anything has 8 warrants for his arrest and his dmv printout is clean. our worker stands 5'6 and the illegal has a dl that states he is 6'2 same # and everything whats up with that s**t. now our worker has to go court to court and prove these tickets are not his. :mad: :mad:

[MagicMtnDan]

In the US a Driver's License is THE form of ID. In other countries they have DLs AND ID cards. Until the US has ID cards (not likely to happen with all the liberals fighting everything), letting illegals get DLs is a huge mistake.
Please consider the answers to these questions:
When was the last time you ever heard of ANYONE getting arrested or prosecuted for illegally registering to vote?
Do you know how many illegal aliens have auto insurance? Do you know how many will have DLs and not have auto insurance?
What exactly do you think illegals will have to show in order to get a DL? Do you think they'll bring their birth certificates across the border with them? Do you think that CA's DMV will call City Hall in Mexico City to verify who these people are? What are the chances that you and I can get a BS DL like these illegals can?

[Kilrtoy]

Dont give them DL's
SHIP THEIR ASSES BACK :D
[ September 04, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Kilrtoy ]

[spectratoad]

This is cool. Since I am a disabled veteran California State Parks camping is free to disabled vets that are California residents. The application, however; wants you to also send in a copy of your CA DL. Now I can go get a CA DL. I am diggin' this. :D :D
Oh wait I forgot the fine print, this offer not valid for Non-Cali resident US Citizens.
Maybe they should just hand out DL's to anyone coming into the state at the bug stations. Oh I forgot, those aren't operating right now due to budget constraints. :D
This has got to be the biggest crock of S*&T I have ever heard of. It is scary to us Nevadan's because when California farts we get the smell. wink

[Rocket2003]

OK, I've got a Question!!!!!!!!!
Do you think that when you fill out your voter registration card, that anybody really checks to see if your a resident or citzen?
I bet not! :mad:

[Seadog]

If this passes, how can the federal government not get involved? I cannot cite page and para, but I am pretty sure that this is contrary to national law. This could also affect all CA citizens because the right of CA drivers to go to other states depends on CA meeting standards approved by all states. Once again CA is on the cutting edge of insanity.

[Laveyman]

Don't even get me started on this one! Gumby Davis needs to pull his head out of his a$$!!! The right to vote is a fundamental right that we as UNITED STATES CITIZENS have fought to obtain. Many American soldiers have fought and given up their lives to secure this right for us. Suddenly, with a stroke of a pen, that piece of chit Davis has given that right to any a$$hole named Paco or Chata who can crawl, swim, or sneak across the border illegally. Talk about dishonoring our vets and fallen Americans! burningm
Here's a second problem with this issuing CDL's to these idiots. Your CDL is currently your proof of legal residency in the state of "Calipornia." When Gumby signs SB 60, this will no longer be the case. Your CDL wil be just that, and only that...A license to drive a car. USINS is besides themselves on this one. At the border checkpoints, they have been accepting your CDL as proof of residence in the USA. Now they have no idea what to do. What does this mean to us? Paco and Chata can make several trips to Mexico and bring up as many of their kids, cousins, neices, nephews as they want and get them hooked up on our welfare payrolls, medical insurance, WIC... burningm
If you folks in other states think your safe, you're not. Most states only require new residents to show proof of a valid drivers license from another state to obtain a license in their state. So, Paco and Chata can now travel to your beautiful state, walk into the DMV with their bright, shiny new CDL and get a license to drive uninsured on your roadways too! burningm

[spectratoad]

Rocket2003:
OK, I've got a Question!!!!!!!!!
Do you think that when you fill out your voter registration card, that anybody really checks to see if your a resident or citzen?
I bet not! :mad: This is not only in California. Last year I went to vote and they had me down at my old address still so I went to change all my info. I asked them if they wanted my drivers license or any id and they said they weren't allowed to ask for it!
WTF is that all about???? burningm

[Rocket2003]

What idiot on here voted for the CDL for illegals? And why?

[Seadog]

Spectra, thank the democrats and their drive by voting acts. They are so busy coddling the lazy and worthless that they are alienating the average voters.
Lavey, that is exactly what I am refering to. If the other states cannot rely that anyone using a CA license is a US citizen, then they may elect to reject accepting CA licenses. This means that you would have to get some type of permit to drive in other states.
Oklahoma is now running a test to allow hispanic language DL testing. Next a judge will decide that if we offer the test in that language, then all signs must contain the language. Then the Lithuanians will claim discrimination and when it is done, all road signs will be in fifty languages and unreadable. I can just see the billboard people having a coronary because the road sign are blocking the billboards

[Rocket2003]

I went to burger king the other day, (in Arkansas, a long way from Mexico) and they had a add on the counter for the "AMERICAN BURGER", I tried to read what was on it :( But, it was all in spanish!
What kinda crap hole is our country turning into? :mad:
Between Taking English out of our country and "IN God we trust" out of our country, it won't belong before a guy like Bin Laden can take over!
[ September 05, 2003, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Rocket2003 ]

[burbanite]

OK,
so if you are an illegal alien you can apply for a drivers license, what about me then. Can I as a legal alien apply for one, I mean I'm no more a resident of California than they are therefore I should get one right?
How does a person prove that they are an illegal alien anyway???

[Blown 472]

Laveyman:
Don't even get me started on this one! Gumby Davis needs to pull his head out of his a$$!!! The right to vote is a fundamental right that we as UNITED STATES CITIZENS have fought to obtain. Many American soldiers have fought and given up their lives to secure this right for us. Suddenly, with a stroke of a pen, that piece of chit Davis has given that right to any a$$hole named Paco or Chata who can crawl, swim, or sneak across the border illegally. Talk about dishonoring our vets and fallen Americans! burningm
Here's a second problem with this issuing CDL's to these idiots. Your CDL is currently your proof of legal residency in the state of "Calipornia." When Gumby signs SB 60, this will no longer be the case. Your CDL wil be just that, and only that...A license to drive a car. USINS is besides themselves on this one. At the border checkpoints, they have been accepting your CDL as proof of residence in the USA. Now they have no idea what to do. What does this mean to us? Paco and Chata can make several trips to Mexico and bring up as many of their kids, cousins, neices, nephews as they want and get them hooked up on our welfare payrolls, medical insurance, WIC... burningm
If you folks in other states think your safe, you're not. Most states only require new residents to show proof of a valid drivers license from another state to obtain a license in their state. So, Paco and Chata can now travel to your beautiful state, walk into the DMV with their bright, shiny new CDL and get a license to drive uninsured on your roadways too! burningm And there in lies the beauty of sub zero temps.

[Backtanner]

I'm sure right about now davis would grant CCW permits to terrorists if he could get their vote. It's amazing what desparation can make some people do.
With all the political correctness out there now, why not just delete the term 'illegal alien'. We could just call them immigrant-americans. It's like this,if I were to illegally drive my car on the street without a license I would either be ticketed, have my car towed or have some other penalty imposed. Now if I were a immigrant-american no problem!

[burbanite]

Blown 472:
And there in lies the beauty of sub zero temps. I don't know about that Blown, I live in a small town and every week in the police reports in the local paper there is an account of an "alien" being ticketed for "never having been licensed".
Very large Hispanic population in this state, mostly hard working people, unfortunately you never know for sure who is legit and who isn't.
[ September 05, 2003, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: burbanite ]

[Blown 472]

burbanite:
Blown 472:
And there in lies the beauty of sub zero temps. I don't know about that Blown, I live in a small town and every week in the police reports in the local paper there is an arrest of an "alien" for "never having been licensed".
Very large Hispanic population in this state, mostly hard working people, unfortunately you never know for sure who is legit and who isn't. There are few here too, hard working keep their noses clean, best part is they open a mexican store and are serving food. We just dont get over run.

[burbanite]

Whoops....having a bad day with the super sensitive electronic touchy feely mouse thing..
[ September 05, 2003, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: burbanite ]

[Blown 472]

since we are on the subject, we are getting our fair share of mungs, and they fish like crazy without lisences and then pull this shit, no english when the dnr rolls up on them. Funny thou when I stand up in the boat when coming up to the dock and tell them to real in they haul ass.

[Irishluck]

Rocket2003:
I went to burger king the other day, (in Arkansas, a long way from Mexico) and they had a add on the counter for the "AMERICAN BURGER", I tried to read what was on it :( But, it was all in spanish!
What kinda crap hole is our country turning into? :mad:
Between Taking English out of our country and "IN God we trust" out of our country, it won't belong before a guy like Bin Laden can take over! Try living here in So Cal. where nobody speaks a word of english. I remember when prop 187 was on a ballot, passed unanimously by the voters and was deemed unconstitutional. Living here in my own country I feel sometimes like a foreigner. Viva La Raza

[unleashed]

Its hard to say if getting a drivers license will improve the illegal alien situation. I for one think it is not a bad idea as long as they HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE BEFORE THEY CAN RECIEVE ONE. They should implemnet some type of deal where upon completion of drivers test they must submit proof of insurance or have the license revoked after 2 weeks if they even have a car. I dont like the not having to ID yourself before getting a license. This should be changed. Im not sure if birth certificate records are kept in Mexico and other less fortunate countries. Maybe this is why they dont require ID's. If this is the case then they will have to be fingerprinted so they can be indentified at a later date.
I have been involved in accidents with a couple of illegals and they didnt have licenses nor insurance. This may be one positive that can come out of the situation. Also car registration fees would provide california with more money as some of these individuals may one day buy new cars with there new found freedom with their licences.
I mean I really dont know Im kinda rambling but I do see some benefits.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil

[unleashed]

Whewwwww, I had no ideal. This is how many foreign born people live in this country that we know of. Click the link below. Hope its not to shocking. Notice how ridiculous the California numbers are!
foreign born americans (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030903/pl_afp/us_social_immigration_030903224952)

[OCStoker]

unleashed:
Its hard to say if getting a drivers license will improve the illegal alien situation. I for one think it is not a bad idea as long as they HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE BEFORE THEY CAN RECIEVE ONE. They should implemnet some type of deal where upon completion of drivers test they must submit proof of insurance or have the license revoked after 2 weeks if they even have a car. I dont like the not having to ID yourself before getting a license. This should be changed. Im not sure if birth certificate records are kept in Mexico and other less fortunate countries. Maybe this is why they dont require ID's. If this is the case then they will have to be fingerprinted so they can be indentified at a later date.
I have been involved in accidents with a couple of illegals and they didnt have licenses nor insurance. This may be one positive that can come out of the situation. Also car registration fees would provide california with more money as some of these individuals may one day buy new cars with there new found freedom with their licences.
I mean I really dont know Im kinda rambling but I do see some benefits.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil These people will get insurance to obtain a drivers license. Once they get the license they will cancel the insurance and get a refund.

[al cole'holic]

Another great way for us to pay for something else to make illegals comfortable in our country besides the food and aid we already provide. :mad:

[burbanite]

unleashed:
Whewwwww, I had no ideal. This is how many foreign born people live in this country that we know of. Click the link below. Hope its not to shocking. Notice how ridiculous the California numbers are!
foreign born americans (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030903/pl_afp/us_social_immigration_030903224952)
And specifically for you California (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20030904/lo_latimes/californialeadsusinforeignborn) residents...
[ September 05, 2003, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: burbanite ]

[eliminatedsprinter]

The studies that have been done by insurance co's to try to assess the impact of this on public saftey have thus far shown negitive results. I am convinced that the polititions who want this are crooked (mostly) and only want to take advantage of the potential for voter fraud.

[MoparSanger]

Can anyone tell me why this is a good idea?
We are not talking just about are friend from the south. HAY WAIT!! I thing I found Bin Laden. He just moved to California and he is driving a 1980 Brown Chevy pick-up. :rolleyes:

[Havasu Cig]

They said on the radio this morning that Davis is going to sign it into law tonight at "Plaza La Raza" in East Los Angeles. He has invited the hispanic media to attend the event. Talk about pandering. Makes me want to move the f##k out of this state. :mad:
Unleashed,
You have to look at the bigger picture. Now they will be able to vote because the workers will not be allowed to ask them if they are legal.
They will be able to board airplanes (not just hispanics, but any illegal imigrant). Remember Sep. 11th :confused:
It opens up a big can of worms.

[Havasu Cig]

Everybody needs to vote for Arnold. I personally like McClintock better because I don't agree with arnolds views on gun control, but we cannot allow the vote to be split.
If Davis or Bustamante wins we can expect more of this $hit.

[Rocket2003]

Somebody needs to shoot Davis before tonight! :mad:
Do you know how hard it will be to reverse that law? Damn, How can this guy get away with this? He shouldn't be able to sign any bill until after the election! burningm
[ September 05, 2003, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: Rocket2003 ]

[HBjet]

Havasu Cig:
They said on the radio this morning that Davis is going to sign it into law tonight at "Plaza La Raza" in East Los Angeles.I don't even want to get started on this topic, but I think John & Ken from KFI need to extend there show and have it where Davis is going to be tonight!
I see this great bumper sticker every morning. Dump Davis!
HBjet

[spectratoad]

burbanite:
Whoops....having a bad day with the super sensitive electronic touchy feely mouse thing.. Take it back, you accidently bought the liberal mouse :D

[ROZ]

HBjet:
Havasu Cig:
They said on the radio this morning that Davis is going to sign it into law tonight at "Plaza La Raza" in East Los Angeles.I don't even want to get started on this topic, but I think John & Ken from KFI need to extend there show and have it where Davis is going to be tonight!
I see this great bumper sticker every morning. Dump Davis!
HBjet Did you know that the ONLY reporters and TV stations that were notified of the signing are Latino?
ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX, and others wren't even notified that this was going on! The NBC station down( I know an engineer over there) here called to get the scoop and was told by the Davis camp that they don't know the specifics! CBS called telemundo and spoke to a production manager who laughed about it saying that she wondered why they were the only stations notified and laughed adding I wonder why they're catering to us.... :rolleyes: That's the rumor at the stations down here....
I also heard that a Congressman from Colorado who is going to introduce a legislation to block ALL Federal interstate money to California until further investigation into the CA Driver's license matter. This will be done a moment after the bill is signed...

[Her454]

This is getting ridiculous! On another note...I work for a large Company and we have janitorial that picks up our trash every other day....if we have something large that cant fit in our can then we put a "TRASH" sticker on it and they pick it up from our desk. I had a large empty box sitting there for a week that they didnt pick up...finally a co-worker told me to write "Trash" in spanish and they would pick it up......I did and it was gone the next morning. Pissed me off. :mad:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Havasu Cig:
Everybody needs to vote for Arnold. I personally like McClintock better because I don't agree with arnolds views on gun control, but we cannot allow the vote to be split.
If Davis or Bustamante wins we can expect more of this $hit. I agree.....

[Dave C]

I am a pragmatist and a mathematician.... I going to sign up to learn spanish!.. (so I can yell at my new employees to GET BACK TO WORK in spanish)
[ September 05, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Dave C ]

[burbanite]

Hey,
I have an idea.
Why don't all of you move here to Indianapolis and bring all of your boats and related businesses with you. :cool:
The season might be a little shorter but with all that extra time we could sure bench race the shit out of this subject... :D
I'm glad I did things the correct way, I can't imagine living life sitting on a time bomb just waiting for the day it goes off.

[Seadog]

I would be in favor of putting federal road blocks on all roads out of California and not allowing anyone to leave without proof of citizenship. Just take all the border patrols and move them to the CA/AZ/NV border. Sorry guys, but if Davis and Bustamante wants to make it California De Mexico, I am all in favor of taking all federal money and assets and leaving it to them. We damn sure wouldn't have to worry about a Democratic president for several decades.

[moneypit]

Davis is just trying to get votes from the uneducated. There needs to be a poll on how many illegals have collisions.. then go to the hospital for free care, then how many of them actually have insurance... I'll bet its around 95%

[eliminatedsprinter]

That's it. :mad: From now on I no longer consider myself a resident of Ca. idea I now live in Baja Oregon. :rolleyes:

[watergirl]

Laveyman:
Don't even get me started on this one! Gumby Davis needs to pull his head out of his a$$!!! The right to vote is a fundamental right that we as UNITED STATES CITIZENS have fought to obtain. Many American soldiers have fought and given up their lives to secure this right for us. Suddenly, with a stroke of a pen, that piece of chit Davis has given that right to any a$$hole named Paco or Chata who can crawl, swim, or sneak across the border illegally. Talk about dishonoring our vets and fallen Americans! burningm
Here's a second problem with this issuing CDL's to these idiots. Your CDL is currently your proof of legal residency in the state of "Calipornia." When Gumby signs SB 60, this will no longer be the case. Your CDL wil be just that, and only that...A license to drive a car. USINS is besides themselves on this one. At the border checkpoints, they have been accepting your CDL as proof of residence in the USA. Now they have no idea what to do. What does this mean to us? Paco and Chata can make several trips to Mexico and bring up as many of their kids, cousins, neices, nephews as they want and get them hooked up on our welfare payrolls, medical insurance, WIC... burningm
If you folks in other states think your safe, you're not. Most states only require new residents to show proof of a valid drivers license from another state to obtain a license in their state. So, Paco and Chata can now travel to your beautiful state, walk into the DMV with their bright, shiny new CDL and get a license to drive uninsured on your roadways too! burningm Excuse me I was a little offended by your comment and some others. Are "Mexicans" the only ileegal aliens in California? You guys need to stop using only "Mexicans" as examples of illegals. You might be offending some of your friends on here.My .02!

[Irishluck]

watergirl:
Laveyman:
Don't even get me started on this one! Gumby Davis needs to pull his head out of his a$$!!! The right to vote is a fundamental right that we as UNITED STATES CITIZENS have fought to obtain. Many American soldiers have fought and given up their lives to secure this right for us. Suddenly, with a stroke of a pen, that piece of chit Davis has given that right to any a$$hole named Paco or Chata who can crawl, swim, or sneak across the border illegally. Talk about dishonoring our vets and fallen Americans! burningm
Here's a second problem with this issuing CDL's to these idiots. Your CDL is currently your proof of legal residency in the state of "Calipornia." When Gumby signs SB 60, this will no longer be the case. Your CDL wil be just that, and only that...A license to drive a car. USINS is besides themselves on this one. At the border checkpoints, they have been accepting your CDL as proof of residence in the USA. Now they have no idea what to do. What does this mean to us? Paco and Chata can make several trips to Mexico and bring up as many of their kids, cousins, neices, nephews as they want and get them hooked up on our welfare payrolls, medical insurance, WIC... burningm
If you folks in other states think your safe, you're not. Most states only require new residents to show proof of a valid drivers license from another state to obtain a license in their state. So, Paco and Chata can now travel to your beautiful state, walk into the DMV with their bright, shiny new CDL and get a license to drive uninsured on your roadways too! burningm Excuse me I was a little offended by your comment and some others. Are "Mexicans" the only ileegal aliens in California? You guys need to stop using only "Mexicans" as examples of illegals. You might be offending some of your friends on here.My .02! True there not all Mexicans, but 99% of them are Latinos and Latinas. :D

[watergirl]

Irishluck:
watergirl:
Laveyman:
Don't even get me started on this one! Gumby Davis needs to pull his head out of his a$$!!! The right to vote is a fundamental right that we as UNITED STATES CITIZENS have fought to obtain. Many American soldiers have fought and given up their lives to secure this right for us. Suddenly, with a stroke of a pen, that piece of chit Davis has given that right to any a$$hole named Paco or Chata who can crawl, swim, or sneak across the border illegally. Talk about dishonoring our vets and fallen Americans! burningm
Here's a second problem with this issuing CDL's to these idiots. Your CDL is currently your proof of legal residency in the state of "Calipornia." When Gumby signs SB 60, this will no longer be the case. Your CDL wil be just that, and only that...A license to drive a car. USINS is besides themselves on this one. At the border checkpoints, they have been accepting your CDL as proof of residence in the USA. Now they have no idea what to do. What does this mean to us? Paco and Chata can make several trips to Mexico and bring up as many of their kids, cousins, neices, nephews as they want and get them hooked up on our welfare payrolls, medical insurance, WIC... burningm
If you folks in other states think your safe, you're not. Most states only require new residents to show proof of a valid drivers license from another state to obtain a license in their state. So, Paco and Chata can now travel to your beautiful state, walk into the DMV with their bright, shiny new CDL and get a license to drive uninsured on your roadways too! burningm Excuse me I was a little offended by your comment and some others. Are "Mexicans" the only ileegal aliens in California? You guys need to stop using only "Mexicans" as examples of illegals. You might be offending some of your friends on here.My .02! True there not all Mexicans, but 99% of them are Latinos and Latinas. :D "Latinos" and "Latinas" are not just Mexican. They can be Guatamalan,Salvadorean,Cubans,etc. You get the point. wink
[ September 05, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[Havasu Cig]

Watergirl,
I think he is just passionate about the issue. Everything he stated in his post was true, and unfortunately most of the offenders are from Mexico.
To be honest with you the thing that scares me the most is terrorist taking advantage of this new law and using it to get in and out of the country, board airplanes ect...
I think this bolsters the Republican view that we should hav a National I.D. card, but the liberals and ACLU of course oppose that.

[watergirl]

Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
I think he is just passionate about the issue. Everything he stated in his post was true, and unfortunately most of the offenders are from Mexico.
To be honest with you the thing that scares me the most is terrorist taking advantage of this new law and using it to get in and out of the country, board airplanes ect...
I think this bolsters the Republican view that we should hav a National I.D. card, but the liberals and ACLU of course oppose that. Don't get me wrong I totally agree with most of you. I believe that anyone who comes to this country illegaly need to work their butts of like I my grandparents and father to become legal in this country. i feel that if you want to be an American citizen you need to learn the language and have the love for it as we American's do and believe me my father loves this country like a true American and worked his but off to be part of this country the right way.
But I don't agree with people using "Mexicans only" as examples of illegal immigrants.
Why don't people ever talk about how Cuban's can swim over here and once they step foot in this country we can't do anything about it. They get a chance to be part of this country. If a cop stops an illegal Mexican walking down the street they can deport his ass. is that fair?
[ September 05, 2003, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[watergirl]

Sorry double post
[ September 05, 2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[Irishluck]

watergirl:
Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
I think he is just passionate about the issue. Everything he stated in his post was true, and unfortunately most of the offenders are from Mexico.
To be honest with you the thing that scares me the most is terrorist taking advantage of this new law and using it to get in and out of the country, board airplanes ect...
I think this bolsters the Republican view that we should hav a National I.D. card, but the liberals and ACLU of course oppose that. Don't get me wrong I totally agree with most of you. I believe that anyone who comes to this country illegaly need to work their butts of like I my grandparents and father to become legal in this country. i feel that if you want to be an American citizen you need to learn the language and have the love for it as we American's do and believe me my father loves this country like a true American and worked his but off to be part of this country the right way.
But I don't agree with people using "Mexicans only" as examples of illegal immigrants.
Why don't people ever talk about how Cuban's can swim over here and once they step foot in this country we can't do anything about it. They get a chance to be part of this country. If a cop stops an illegal Mexican walking down the street they can deport his ass. is that fair? How is it unfair? there illegal

[ROZ]

watergirl:
Why don't people ever talk about how Cuban's can swim over here and once they step foot in this country we can't do anything about it. They get a chance to be part of this country. That's a Florida issue.....
watergirl:
If a cop stops an illegal Mexican walking down the street they can deport his ass. is that fair? First of all, a cop will have to have a reason to question the individual. Pulling over someone to make sure someone is a legal resident is a Bordor Patrol issue.
Your real question is whether or not to deport someone who is here ILLEGALLY..That answer is YES.
You want to talk fair? How fair is it that someone who is here ILLEGALLY is benefitting from the system that is set up for legal residents....
Chris <---My grandparents came from Mexico in the 20's legally...

[Havasu Cig]

Yes, I think if you are stopped by a Peace Officer and are found to be illegal you should be deported. But I personally don't care what country you are from.
As far as the Cubans go, the reason the law is different is because they are seeking political asylum, and if sent back they will be jailed or worse. The Mexican government actually promotes illegal imigration to this country because they want the U.S. dollars sent back.
When the Mexican government is no longer corrupt this problem might get better. The mexican people would hopefully be able to find work and raise their families in Mexico.
It is really sad...I used to like to go to Mexico but I refuse to now because of the corruption. They are missing out on tourism, which would also create more jobs, because of this. My.02

[NOTALENT]

Where is the FU** NO on the ballot. They should all be deported and thats it period. Screw paying for there food, the familys they have and cant afford. Them messing up there own vadios..And they say they have a hard life. I say BS they make it that way. :mad: :mad:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Watergirl.
I never have seen this as an ethnic issue. However, since you mentioned Cubans. The main reason our laws reguarding Cubans are unique is because of 2 main factors. #1 they are considered political refugees, not economic. #2. (and probably most important) Most Cuban immigrants came here literate, have assimilated into the U.S., vote, and have worked within the U.S. system to have the laws made the way they are. The term Latino (like the word hispanic) is mostly useless. Because it is a catch all term that includes many very different groups of people from very different circumstances.
P.S. I don't know who you mean by "you guys" but I for one have never referred to illegals as Mexicans.
[ September 05, 2003, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: eliminatedsprinter ]

[watergirl]

To clarify what I meant by fair was that is it fair for you guys just to refer to illegals as Mexicans.
Like I said I feel that if you want to be in this country you need to work for it. I'm an American,I pay taxes and it pisses me off just as much. But all of my "Mexican" family have made themselves legal in this counrty so when I hear Mexican's and Mexican's always being brought up as an example it gets pretty irritating. Why can't you say Cuban's or Africans or Europeans.
[ September 05, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[watergirl]

Oh and by the way the other day I saw a man get stopped on the street and had some "Highway Patrol" questioning him.Why the Highway Patrol was in my city I don't know,but I later found out that they deported him. And from what I saw he was doing absolutely nothing wrong. So that isn't always true Roz.

[watergirl]

Bropb16:
Where is the FU** NO on the ballot. They should all be deported and thats it period. Screw paying for there food, the familys they have and cant afford. Them messing up there own vadios..And they say they have a hard life. I say BS they make it that way. :mad: :mad: LEt's see you say that when it's someone from your family.

[Havasu Cig]

watergirl:
Oh and by the way the other day I saw a man get stopped on the street and had some "Highway Patrol" questioning him.Why the Highway Patrol was in my city I don't know,but I later found out that they deported him. And from what I saw he was doing absolutely nothing wrong. So that isn't always true Roz. As long as they had Probable Cause for the stop, which I am sure they did, they can legaly ask him for immigration papers, resident alien card ect... If he can't provide that they can call the Border Patrol for assistance. It happens everyday.

[ROZ]

watergirl:
Oh and by the way the other day I saw a man get stopped on the street and had some "Highway Patrol" questioning him.Why the Highway Patrol was in my city I don't know,but I later found out that they deported him. And from what I saw he was doing absolutely nothing wrong. So that isn't always true Roz. How do you know he did nothing wrong? How many miles did you follow the officer and suspect before he was pulled over? Did you ask the officer why he was pulled over?
I guess it's all irrelevant....He was here illegally; He was deported.

[eliminatedsprinter]

eliminatedsprinter:
Watergirl.
I never have seen this as an ethnic issue. However, since you mentioned Cubans. The main reason our laws reguarding Cubans are unique is because of 2 main factors. #1 they are considered political refugees, not economic. #2. (and probably most important) Most Cuban immigrants came here literate, have assimilated into the U.S., vote, and have worked within the U.S. system to have the laws made the way they are. The term Latino (like the word hispanic) is mostly useless. Because it is a catch all term that includes many very different groups of people from very different circumstances.
P.S. I don't know who you mean by "you guys" but I for one have never referred to illegals as Mexicans. Oooops I just quoted myself.....

[watergirl]

ROZ:
watergirl:
Oh and by the way the other day I saw a man get stopped on the street and had some "Highway Patrol" questioning him.Why the Highway Patrol was in my city I don't know,but I later found out that they deported him. And from what I saw he was doing absolutely nothing wrong. So that isn't always true Roz. How do you know he did nothing wrong? How many miles did you follow the officer and suspect before he was pulled over? Did you ask the officer why he was pulled over?
I guess it's all irrelevant....He was here illegally; He was deported. well if you want to know the whole story,the man lived down the street from me. i was outside with my son and I saw him walk out his door. I live on the corner house and when he got to the corner the highway patrol followed him for a few feet and then stopped him. I saw the whole thing that is why I said to me it didn't look like he did anything wrong.

[watergirl]

As a matter a fact he was the same Highway Patrol who pulled me over for modified exhaust and no mud flaps.Go figure> Nothing better to do.

[Her454]

Watergirl, I have to agree with the "If you are here illegally than you should be deported, period". I am bit confused as to your argument? You are an "American", understandably wanting to maintain your Mexican heritage, but which one comes first?

[ROZ]

watergirl:
Bropb16:
Where is the FU** NO on the ballot. They should all be deported and thats it period. Screw paying for there food, the familys they have and cant afford. Them messing up there own vadios..And they say they have a hard life. I say BS they make it that way. :mad: :mad: LEt's see you say that when it's someone from your family. Hey if a family member of mine is here ILLEGALLY and gets deported, the deserve it. I think it's expected, and they know that.
P.S. I have family comming from Tecate and Rosarito for my sisters wedding at the end of the month. They'll have the NECESSARY documentation to be here for that weekend....

[Havasu_Dreamin]

watergirl:
Why the Highway Patrol was in my city I don't know The CHP has jurisdiction EVERYWHERE within the state, not just on the highway. If I understand it correctly you can, for example, get pulled over in Arcadia, by an LAPD officer and be given a ticket for speeding even though the LAPD officer is "out of his area".
As far as referring to all illegals as Mexicans, is it fair or even accurate? No, of course not. But the fact remains that the majority of them probably are from Mexico and I really don't think anyone means anything derogatory by it.

[watergirl]

Her454:
Watergirl, I have to agree with the "If you are here illegally than you should be deported, period". I am bit confused as to your argument? You are an "American", understandably wanting to maintain your Mexican heritage, but which one comes first? Oh for sure I'm an American.I don't think that people should be here illegaly but I get irritated when people use Mexican's as the only example for illegals.

[Laveyman]

Watergirl,
No offense was meant. No, Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens here. What I said applies to ANY illegal alien regardless of their country of origin. Unfortunately in our line of work, HavasuCig and I see 99% of the unlicensed foreign nationals come from Mexico. It's not a racial thing, it's more a geography thing.

[ROZ]

watergirl:
As a matter a fact he was the same Highway Patrol who pulled me over for modified exhaust and no mud flaps.Go figure> Nothing better to do. I've been pulled over for that...Also been pulled over for cars too low, broke tail light, speeding, and playing my car stereo too loud.. I was even once pulled over a photo op because my custom car was similar to one that was envolved in a crime...Knowing I had nothing to worry about, I tucked in my shirt and smiled. I saw it as them enforcing the law that is there to protect me from day to day.

[watergirl]

ROZ:
watergirl:
Bropb16:
Where is the FU** NO on the ballot. They should all be deported and thats it period. Screw paying for there food, the familys they have and cant afford. Them messing up there own vadios..And they say they have a hard life. I say BS they make it that way. :mad: :mad: LEt's see you say that when it's someone from your family. Hey if a family member of mine is here ILLEGALLY and gets deported, the deserve it. I think it's expected, and they know that.
P.S. I have family comming from Tecate and Rosarito for my sisters wedding at the end of the month. They'll have the NECESSARY documentation to be here for that weekend.... ANd that is great. I agree with you guys but just understand that I as an American with a Mexican parent and family members who live here LEGALLY,find it irritating that only Mexicans are illegals in most peoples eyes. All I'm asking is to take into consideration that you might be hurting somebodies feelings.I'm pretty sure there are others who might feel the same. That is it.Okay sorry for the big stir up.Lots of love! :D
[ September 05, 2003, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[ROZ]

Laveyman:
Watergirl,
No offense was meant. No, Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens here. What I said applies to ANY illegal alien regardless of their country of origin. Unfortunately in our line of work, HavasuCig and I see 99% of the unlicensed foreign nationals come from Mexico. It's not a racial thing, it's more a geography thing. Well put.

[watergirl]

ROZ:
watergirl:
As a matter a fact he was the same Highway Patrol who pulled me over for modified exhaust and no mud flaps.Go figure> Nothing better to do. I've been pulled over for that...Also been pulled over for cars too low, broke tail light, speeding, and playing my car stereo too loud.. I was even once pulled over a photo op because my custom car was similar to one that was envolved in a crime...Knowing I had nothing to worry about, I tucked in my shirt and smiled. I saw it as them enforcing the law that is there to protect me from day to day. Yeah I feel you. I just feel taht there are other things he needs to be worrying about more than a modified exhaust and no mud flaps. Oh and then he says to me. You see that crack on my windshield that is from one of these lifted trucks so now I'm after all of these.Give me a break man. :rolleyes: wink

[flat broke]

unleashed:
Whewwwww, I had no ideal. This is how many foreign born people live in this country that we know of. Click the link below. Hope its not to shocking. Notice how ridiculous the California numbers are!
foreign born americans (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030903/pl_afp/us_social_immigration_030903224952) What is worse is that those statistics are grossly misleading (as are all statistics) What no one will come out and say is that the birthrate in these cultures is nothing short of alarming. A much more disturbing stat would be percentage of the populous that are 1st AND 2nd generation immigrants. You can trend this data and see that unless there is an abrupt turn in the social/political climate in this country and more importantly in this state, we will have no say in what is right and wrong because the majority will have swung in favor of a whole new breed of American resident. (I guess we should have kept the affirmative action around after all :( )
The root of the problem however isn't political; it is more of a biological issue. We can regulate it to slow the effects on our society with politics, but the cold hard facts will always remain. In nature (you know, a normal eco system with survival of the fittest driving evolutionary changes) species with increased birth rates typically have shorter life expectancies. I.E. the less favorable genetic traits are overcome by sheer numbers to perpetuate the species. Now take our current eco system where it doesn't matter if you’re fat, fit, stupid, bright, motivated, lazy, etc. because you live a long life subsidized by government aid. All of the sudden, that high birthrate isn't needed to mitigate a high death rate in the less adapted species. Thus the genotype of the variant with the highest birthrate will eventually take over. The next step will be the homogenization of the species; where by all of the genetic variables will slowly be diluted until you have basically one genotype. Will genetic mutations still occur? Sure, but there will be no environmental challenges to weed out the good variants from the bad, so evolution for the human race will basically come to a halt.... until something changes the eco system and draws out a new round of favorable mutations.
So what's the point of all of this rambling? We'll all be somewhat hispanic in generations to come. Do I like it? NO. Am I happy that even as we speak, the heritage of my kin prior, during, and after the revolutionary war is no longer being taught in our public schools? HELL NO. Does the promise of a homogenized society of mediocrity comfort me? ABSOLUTELY NOT, in fact it could well drive me insane. Can this be stopped? MAYBE. More than likely it would take a change affected by good ol’ Mother Nature to alter this path. But there is nothing saying that we couldn't delay it for quite some time with a strong sense of Nationalistic Pride, people realizing that it is 100% okay and your right as an American Citizen to say I am of European decent and proud of it, and last but not least, stand up and say something when the morals, ideals, and basic precepts those before us died to bring forth and preserve are compromised. I for one know I am guilty of not doing or saying enough in regard to the later, and that is something that is going to have to change if I want to maintain my right to bitch about things like this.
Bottom line, DUMP DAVIS, Vote for Arnold (He’s not the ideal candidate, but we can’t afford to split the vote) and start acting on what we all talk about.
Chris

[Mandelon]

A Colorado congressman has just stated that he will introduce legislation to halt federal highway funds for California if this is signed.
And..... :D it is a violation of federal law to aid and abet illegals. It carries a 5 year penalty. Perhaps all but the 1 democrat who voted for this and Davis can all go to jail forever if the Feds want to push this...I hope so!!!

[watergirl]

I have a question. If your parents came to this country ilegally would you rat them out?What would you do? Honestly.
[ September 05, 2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[eliminatedsprinter]

I don't much buy into the above somewhat curious mix of psudo-biology and social darwinism.
But I sure do agree with the dump Davis portion of it.
[ September 05, 2003, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: eliminatedsprinter ]

[flat broke]

I believe (and I'm not stating this as fact) that illegal parents of children born here have some sort of amnesty. So really your question is probably based on a premise that is not the same as the heart of the argument.
BTW,
I thought all of this was starting to sound a little familiar and sure enough almost a year ago to the day lookie what I found... same ol story (http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000185;p=2) :rolleyes:
Chris

[burbanite]

Alrighty then...
So as to not piss people off, "illegals" shall henceforth be refered to as New Zealanders....there are not enough of them on these boards to be offended. :D :D

[Havasu Cig]

watergirl:
I have a question. If your parents came to this country ilegally would you rat them out?What would you do? Honestly. No I would not, but I would also not expect this country to take care of them and reward them for being able to make it here illegaly.

[eliminatedsprinter]

watergirl:
I have a question. If your parents came to this country ilegally would you rat them out?What would you do? Honestly. No, but I wouldn't expect the state to grant them drivers licenses without any documentation of their identities either.

[watergirl]

flat broke:
I believe (and I'm not stating this as fact) that illegal parents of children born here have some sort of amnesty. So really your question is probably based on a premise that is not the same as the heart of the argument.
BTW,
I thought all of this was starting to sound a little familiar and sure enough almost a year ago to the day lookie what I found... same ol story (http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000185;p=2) :rolleyes:
Chris What are the little rolly eyes for? I'm a just stating my thoughts and opinions like everyone else. :rolleyes: wink
[ September 05, 2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[eliminatedsprinter]

burbanite:
Alrighty then...
So as to not piss people off, "illegals" shall henceforth be refered to as New Zealanders....there are not enough of them on these boards to be offended. :D :D Good idea, but lets keep our edge and call them Kiwis... wink

[Havasu Cig]

Watergirl,
What do you think about M.E.C.H.A.? Do you think that they are a racist group like the KKK?

[watergirl]

Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
What do you think about M.E.C.H.A.? Do you think that they are a racist group like the KKK? Honestly, I think that they are up there with them.I think they are a little too much fo rme. Why don't tell me I sound like one of them? :confused: wink :p
[ September 05, 2003, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: watergirl ]

[Havasu Cig]

watergirl:
Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
What do you think about M.E.C.H.A.? Do you think that they are a racist group like the KKK? Honestly, I think that they are up there with them.I think they are a little too much fo rme. Why don't tell me I sound like one of them? :confused: wink :p Just wondering who I am talking to that's all.

[watergirl]

Havasu Cig:
watergirl:
Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
What do you think about M.E.C.H.A.? Do you think that they are a racist group like the KKK? Honestly, I think that they are up there with them.I think they are a little too much fo rme. Why don't tell me I sound like one of them? :confused: wink :p Just wondering who I am talking to that's all. Very funny. Who do you think your talking to then? devil wink

[flat broke]

eliminatedsprinter:
I don't much buy into the above somewhat curious mix of psudo-biology and social darwinism.
But I sure do agree with the dump Davis portion of it. Sprinter,
I guessing that by "not buying into it" you mean that you don't think things will go down like that. Nothing would make me happier. Unfortunately, if we would both be around long enough, I'd bet you a case of slivers that I'm closer to right than wrong.
As far as the Pseudo Biology, if you are a physical therapist with the requisite schooling, you would have a tough time arguing the basic precepts of evolution and factors that drive the propagation of certain characteristics. If you don't buy in, I would suggest a course in basic pathology. Nothing demonstrates Darwin's theory more effectively than treatment resistant bacteria and viruses. Plus with the short life spans and rapid reproductive rates of micro-organisims, they are a wonderful candidate to deduce long term evolutionary patterns from.
Either way, thats one of the great things about America, you and I can have varried beliefs and still enjoy the same opportunities and privleges.
I didn't go to school to be a Loan Offier, it just ended up that way wink
Chris

[Havasu Cig]

watergirl:
Havasu Cig:
watergirl:
Havasu Cig:
Watergirl,
What do you think about M.E.C.H.A.? Do you think that they are a racist group like the KKK? Honestly, I think that they are up there with them.I think they are a little too much fo rme. Why don't tell me I sound like one of them? :confused: wink :p Just wondering who I am talking to that's all. Very funny. Who do you think your talking to then? devil wink Just wondering if you were a fanatic. Sounds like your not. wink

[VillainDave]

I love a country where you can be a legal illegal isn't tha neet :D
As Don King would say "only in America"

[sandblasted]

It's amazing how many Mexican-American friends I have that are against this bill...but you'll never see them on tv...Nope, all the tv boobs will show us are the liberal mouthpieces promoting it...Davis will sign it and Bustamonte will support it...what a couple of morons! :mad:

[watergirl]

Just wanted to say have a good weekend and be safe. :D wink :p

[eliminatedsprinter]

flat broke:
eliminatedsprinter:
I don't much buy into the above somewhat curious mix of psudo-biology and social darwinism.
But I sure do agree with the dump Davis portion of it. Sprinter,
I guessing that by "not buying into it" you mean that you don't think things will go down like that. Nothing would make me happier. Unfortunately, if we would both be around long enough, I'd bet you a case of slivers that I'm closer to right than wrong.
As far as the Pseudo Biology, if you are a physical therapist with the requisite schooling, you would have a tough time arguing the basic precepts of evolution and factors that drive the propagation of certain characteristics. If you don't buy in, I would suggest a course in basic pathology. Nothing demonstrates Darwin's theory more effectively than treatment resistant bacteria and viruses. Plus with the short life spans and rapid reproductive rates of micro-organisims, they are a wonderful candidate to deduce long term evolutionary patterns from.
Either way, thats one of the great things about America, you and I can have varried beliefs and still enjoy the same opportunities and privleges.
I didn't go to school to be a Loan Offier, it just ended up that way wink
Chris Flat broke.
I'm not a PT. But you are close. Yes I have taken Pathology and I aced it just like all my other sciences. It's just that we have to be very careful when we try to mix the "hard sciences" like biology with the psudo-sciences (aka social sciences) like sociology. This kind of mixing often produces some very odd conclusions that cannot be objetively measured or confirmed and for the most part are no better than guesses. Hardly the stuff to base public policy on. But I must admit it is fun to speculate in this mannor. After all, look at the bright side. If the above scenario does come true the girls will look great! wink
Besides, the long range biological/racial predictions I have read, say that in about 900 years most all of us will have the charicteristics of all of the races. We will be more like creole rather than mestizo. And we may very well have all of the positive attributes of our ancestors. I believe there will always be enough challenges in this world to keep us strong genetically. I'm just afraid that historian Alexander Tyler's and Ben Franklin's predictions of democracy's collapse when voters keep voting themselves (or their groups) "largesae from the public treasury" will come true as seems to be happening here in Ca.
[ September 05, 2003, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: eliminatedsprinter ]

[burbanite]

eliminatedsprinter:
burbanite:
Alrighty then...
So as to not piss people off, "illegals" shall henceforth be refered to as New Zealanders....there are not enough of them on these boards to be offended. :D :D Good idea, but lets keep our edge and call them Kiwis... wink It's funny how many people think that is a fruit. :confused: :D

[dossangers]

some states are not going to accept ca. DL as a form of ID this is one of the reasons were geting rid of DAVIS this dosnt take efect until jan 04 then ARNOLD will repeal it and the car tax just got my bill went from 360 to 740!!!! total bullshit

[Seadog]

I noticed that if the recall postponement goes into effect, the silly DL law goes into effect. I thought you might like to see what Fox News legal analyse thought of it.
The text of the bill, and some of its analysis by legislative committees, is startling. Some of it is laughable. In March 2003, while a dozen medical facilities in Los Angeles County were making plans to close because of insolvency brought on by massive unreimbursed medical care for illegal aliens, California's Senate Transportation Committee justified the bill by arguing that the state's existing license requirements "created an unfair and unjust crisis that curtails economic growth and productivity."
With the stroke of a pen Gray Davis has reversed the trend toward uniform licensing standards among the states. An estimated 30 states require an applicant to provide proof of legal presence in order to be given a driver's license, and none -- except California -- explicitly bases their licensing rules on the goal of providing illegal aliens with driver's licenses.
What is now required to obtain a driver's license in California? A taxpayer identification number. Taxpayer identification numbers are issued by the Internal Revenue Service to people who are not eligible to be given a social security number. The only people who are ineligible, as a group, to be given social security numbers are illegal aliens and certain foreign nationals not subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Gray Davis remains oblivious to the fact that the Internal Revenue Service, the very issuer of taxpayer identification numbers, has stated that taxpayer identification numbers are nothing more than a tool for collecting tax revenue and are not a secure means of identification.
With at least two million illegal aliens of driving age in California, all of whom would apply with a non-secure taxpayer identification number as their chief form of ID, the sponsors of the bill also supported California's lax new rules as a way to provide illegal aliens with a driver's license that can function as "a 'breeder document' that is used to acquire other documentation and serves as the most widely accepted identification to qualify for both private and public sector services and programs."
One has to wonder if the bill's sponsors realized what they were saying. The bill, which is now law, seeks to loosen driver's licensing requirements to the point where a taxpayer identification number -- something that is not even designed to be a form of identification -- becomes the foundation for a driver's license. It is the bill's sponsors' hope that the resulting driver's license will breed additional forms of identification.
"It is against federal law to encourage an illegal alien to remain illegally in the United States," said Craig Nelsen, director of Friends of Immigration Law Enforcement. "It seems obvious to most Americans that giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens does, indeed, encourage them to remain here illegally."
Nelsen said California's new law is in direct conflict with federal law and is therefore unconstitutional.
"The U.S. Justice Department should challenge it immediately," he said.
America has probably never seen a more cynical attempt at ethnic pandering than the California's new driver's license law. It's inconceivable that a governor would sign such a bill in today's environment, in which the Department of Homeland Security and the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement labor around the clock to locate and remove people who have overstayed their visas or who never had any legal immigration status in the U.S. to begin with.
But illegal aliens in California need only hold out until January 2004, when the state makes altering one's identity easier than it has ever been.
Notice the statement about it violating federal law. Wouldn't it be great if all the CA legislature members, that voted for this, and Davis were arrested and sent to federal prison for this.
[ September 18, 2003, 07:45 AM: Message edited by: Seadog ]