BEWARE of All Seasons Marine in Boulder City, NV

[STV_Keith]

BUYER BEWARE! The owner, Ted Miller of All Seasons Marine in Boulder City, NV, is not someone I would advocate a deal with.
Through the grape vine, I recently found out that Ted had a vintage Mercury motor down there that my dad was interested in. A trip to the shop and pictures later, Ted and my dad agreed on a price and the deal was struck. My dad sent a cashiers check to me, since I would be picking the engine up at the shop, and had me start working on a shipping crate to get it back to FL.
The check arrives about 4 biz days after they struck the deal. A day or so later, I call to inform Ted that I have the check in hand, but due to SEMA being in town, will not be able to make it down until the week after. His son took the message and said he would relay it. Two days later I call back to reconfirm and speak with Ted, and even set a date for pickup now that I had procured a shipping crate. He had no problem with this and we made a date for Monday the 10th.
Over this weekend, I got pretty sick, even ended up in the hospital Sunday morning with a 104* fever. Called ASM on Monday to move the appointment back to Tuesday and again spoke with one of Ted's sons. He said he'd tell Ted, but for me to call on Tuesday and try to speak directly with Ted.
Upon calling Ted today, he's decided not to sell now. His reasons ranged from "you were supposed to send a deposit" - which wasn't mentioned the week before when I spoke to him, to "someone called and said it's worth more".
Nice way to do business. Now I've gone out of my way to shoot pics, my dad had a cashiers check made up, shipped it overnight to me here in Vegas from Florida, I found a shipping crate and get it all scheduled, THEN he backs out.
In the end, I'm a firm believer in "what comes around, goes around" and I'm sure Ted and All Seasons Marine will get (or not get) theirs.
I'm hoping my fellow boating bretheren can help me let All Seasons Marine "feel" some of theirs.

[mirvin]

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Really though, that sucks. Sometimes I wonder how it is people are able to stay in business. You know that shit aint a once in great while thing with these guys. **** 'em. Put it this way, it wasn't meant to be and you and your pop will be better when you find the motor that was meant to be;)
Trust the Cosmos!!!:D

[ROZ]

Originally posted by RiverDave
Hey it worked for HavasuDoug.. LOL
RD
Please esplain?

[25 Eagle]

That's a bummer Keith. ASM services my boat once a year and I never have had any problems with them. I guess service and sales are two different things.

[mmered8299]

I'm with Eagle. Mike at ASM got my boat up and running while others couldn't. If my friends or I have any more problems with our boats then I'll be asking Mike for Help. Sorry about your Motor. You snooze, You loose. I always say!

[THOR]

Keith,
All of those ASM guys are pricks. There are plenty of people that do not use ASM anymore because of stories like yours. I, for one, have always thought they are dicks. If you dont have a blown 600+ HP motor, they could care less. F*&^ those guys and they will get what they deserve.
They are very lucky that you are a mild manored person that did not walk in and start throwing fists.
MMRED, The snooze you lose comment is bullshit. He quoted a legit price as a business man and now is trying to screw somebody for a few bucks. I always say, KARMA IS A BITCH.

[REGISTERED USER]

I'm wondering why he didn't send the check directly to ASM?
They would have deposited it and as soon as they did they would have been a party to a binding contract, then you might have had some recourse with this dick.

[Ziggy]

Its a shame that we can't even count on ones promise anymore. Sorry to hear the deal broke up. Guess some promises hold more water than others.
Another thing that strikes me too is the fact that this guy is a "marine specialist" yet seemingly didn't know the motors real value???? hhhmmmm, some specialist:rolleyes:

[Faster Daddy]

Don't know the guys at ASM, but after reading the post, I don't entirely blame the guy. Sounds like a deal was made and you did not pick the motor up when promised. Never count on someone else to relay an important msg, hell I sometimes I don't get my messages for days! (and my wifes my asst.). On the other hand I hate when someone breaks a promise and the guy probably should have been more understanding. All said, I think I will avoid ASM. :(
Too bad you couldn'd work it out.

[mmered8299]

Hey Thor,
How long would you expect ASM to wait? If a guy is selling a vintage motor you better jump on it before he changes his mind. If a guy is selling a 1/2 acre parcel of land for 100K here in Vegas. You better jump on it before he goes and tell his wife. Thats the way things are done here in Vegas. If you don't like it, well then I guess you don't get to have it! Sleepy.:D :D :D

[BADAXE]

I went to Lake Mead for a family boat trip, first day out I hit a submerged rock and bent up my prop and destroyed the prop hub. I went to every boat shop in boulder city and they all said they could not fit me in for a week or two. I was just about to give up when I stopped by All Seasons. I told them my probelm and if I couldn't get it fixed my whole vacition would be ruined. They stopped everything they were doing and fixed me up. sold me a new hub at a good price tweaked my prop back in shape so I wouldn't have to buy a new one, saving me hundreds of dollars on got me back out on the lake in a few hours were we enjoyed three more days of fun. I do most of my boating on Mead and told them they had just earned a new customer.

[Keith E. Sayre]

What kind of engine would your father like to purchase and in what condition or price range. Maybe we could assist you and
find something better? I'm happy to help!
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
Lake Havasu City
928-680-1400

[Larry Nebb]

Originally posted by RiverDave
Did you try going down there wearing your OP6 shirt? :D
Hey it worked for HavasuDoug.. LOL
RD
What is an OP6? And what did it do for this Doug guy?
Sorry but I am still new here and I do not know this code word.

[Jordy]

Hey Larry, I know you're a real bright kind of guy, why not just pack the grease zerk full of silicone and everything will be just fine. In other words, don't worry about it retard. :rolleyes:

[78Eliminator]

Originally posted by jordanpaulk
Hey Larry, I know you're a real bright kind of guy, why not just pack the grease zerk full of silicone and everything will be just fine. In other words, don't worry about it retard. :rolleyes:
Say, that's not the jovial Jordy that I know....

[hulshot]

I only had one run in with them when I drove from Sac to purchase a boat from one of there customers that kept it there for a short time. I bought a boat sight unseen based on the owners discription, and I beleived him. The thing that got me was I was told the expesive boat I was purchasing had a 32 pitch prop on it when he bought it and he never changed it and only used the boat 1 time then stored it at ASM to sell. I ended up buying the boat and did not inspect the prop closely, just knew it had one on it. I later inspected it when I got home and found it to be a bravo 30 that had been beaten out and was cracked. I called the owner and he again said it was a 32 pitch but did not know what type, so I called the original owner and found out it was sold with a Spinnelli labbed 32, about 1200.00, and he put it on because the other prop at the time was in the shop being labbed.
So what do think happened
A: the owner kept the prop for himself to put on hisfishing boat
B: The beaten out, cracked bravo was the prop that was always on it
C: ASM knew it was a bad ass prop and took it off and threw some junk on it and kept the Spinnelli for their boat, or to sell it, then denied changing the props.

[RiverToysJas]

Originally posted by Larry Nebb
What is an OP6? And what did it do for this Doug guy?
Sorry but I am still new here and I do not know this code word.
It's a large party of people from the various boating message boards. We have t-shirts made for each of the two parties a year. Due to the large number of people attending and fact that we communicate on the internet, some boat places have taken note that if you screw an OP6er, EVERYONE will know about it.
Read the current Nov/Dec issue of Hot Boat, Operation 6 Coolers (OP6C) article. It's a party. visit the forums on www.op6c.com for more info.
RTJas :D

[STV_Keith]

Originally posted by mmered8299
How long would you expect ASM to wait? If a guy is selling a vintage motor you better jump on it before he changes his mind.
Ya know, I look at it as - he agreed on a price, then backed out. It's not like he's not still trying to sell it, he just wants more money now. It would be one thing if we had no communication with them in those 14 days since the deal was done, but NO - I have called 3 times and stated a pickup date and everything. Ted even agreed to it and didn't have a problem.
Bottom line is he's a greedy, grumpy old bastard, and will screw you in a deal to make another dollar, regardless of what he's promised or agreed to.
25Eagle, that could very well be true that their service and sales are separated - but beware.

[Tom Brown]

This probably isn't a good season for ASM. :D

[Just Tool'n]

Greed gets to most people.
No more is it a guys word or a handshake makes the deal.
Greed sounds as if this is the underlying motive.
What is sad is the effort STV went thru, phoning up, relaying that there was a delay, hey STV still needs to make money also, & who likes to get sick & end up in the hospital.
I know there is people that talk the big line & string people out on a purchase, but in this case I would been ok with the fact that the purchaser is coming with the check, but his business had to come 1st.
I bet that if STV would not of called & try to explain that there was some delays, & just shown up with a check the deal would have been a deal.
It the old addage " Nice guys finish last"!

[Larry Nebb]

Originally posted by jordanpaulk
Hey Larry, I know you're a real bright kind of guy, why not just pack the grease zerk full of silicone and everything will be just fine. In other words, don't worry about it retard. :rolleyes:
Gee, you did not have to be a total ass about it did you.

[Larry Nebb]

Originally posted by RiverToysJas
It's a large party of people from the various boating message boards. We have t-shirts made for each of the two parties a year. Due to the large number of people attending and fact that we communicate on the internet, some boat places have taken note that if you screw an OP6er, EVERYONE will know about it.
Read the current Nov/Dec issue of Hot Boat, Operation 6 Coolers (OP6C) article. It's a party. visit the forums on www.op6c.com for more info.
RTJas :D
That you for the nice reply. Sounds like a fun bunch (except for one guy if he is part of your group)

[THOR]

Originally posted by mmered8299
Hey Thor,
How long would you expect ASM to wait? If a guy is selling a vintage motor you better jump on it before he changes his mind. If a guy is selling a 1/2 acre parcel of land for 100K here in Vegas. You better jump on it before he goes and tell his wife. Thats the way things are done here in Vegas. If you don't like it, well then I guess you don't get to have it! Sleepy.:D :D :D
That is not at all the way things are done in LV. I lived there for 10 years and still do business there. But, LV is still the kind of place where a piece of shit business owner will lose all of his biz quick because of word of mouth.

[Jordy]

Originally posted by Larry Nebb
Gee, you did not have to be a total ass about it did you.
You were a total ass in the V-drive forums. I'm just returning the favor. ;)
Remember this:
Originally posted by Larry Nebb
come on guy, shouldn't you be over in that Rex thread kissing Rexone's poo poo hole like the other guys?
That's what I thought. :rolleyes:

[steph]

To all Ted Miller haters, He and his sons are the best at what they do. He did not get to where he is by being a bad business man. He is the most successful person I know and smartest person there is at running a business. Ted worked very hard and earned every penny he has. Nothing was given to him. So to have boat as successful as it is now I'd say he's doing something right.