View Full Version : What a crock of SH*T!
HavasuDreamin'
11-17-2003, 06:10 AM
USC to be toppled by OSU in the BCS this week. :mad: Is it just me, or is this the worst system ever? Why is the word "playoff" so hard for the NCAA to understand? :mad:
Strength of schedule and one NY poll that has USC ranked fifth are the culprits. BCS has gotta go. It shouldn't be left up to a mathematical equation to figure out who plays for a national title.
Fockers
:burningm:
JetBoatRich
11-17-2003, 06:17 AM
Difficult to understand no playoffs, winners should move on not be judged and placed by a computer/votes.:D
USC played so well on both sides of the ball last week:eek: they deserve at this point to stay #2.
Two things to remember:
1 - USC has an easy schedule. Normally the PAC-10 is decent, but they suck this year compared to the SEC and Big-10.
2 - OSU is due the right the defend they championship. Although they are not as good as USC, they are still the defending champs and they deserve the right to defend it.
I agree that the BCS is screwed up. A playoff system would be bigger than march madness.
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 07:46 AM
So what are they still 2nd best
bullhead
11-17-2003, 08:03 AM
this wont even be an issue after next week when ohio st. gets smoked by mich.but you're right the system is horrible at best since the schedules are made a couple of years before the season.
Stupid Fast
11-17-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by bullhead
this wont even be an issue after next week when ohio st. gets smoked by mich.
I dont know about that. We will see.
SUPERCREWJOHN
11-17-2003, 01:59 PM
Based on your rational of including the previous champion in the Big Game, why dont you just put the Tampa Bay Bucs into the Super Bowl even though they are currently 4-5. It doesnt make sense. That Buckeyes should not hold that spot. I even question if Oklahoma should be ranked number 1 because of all the 2-bit teams that they play. How many Texas A&M's and Baylors can they play. It looks like they have a full schedule of them.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Michigan will kick the SH*(T our of the BrownEyes ..
Go Trojans!!
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 02:37 PM
None of those teams have played a whole host of good teams
Havasu_Dreamin
11-17-2003, 02:44 PM
I think it's great $c dropped to third. But yes, the BCS is a GIANT joke! A playoff would be better and include the damn bowls in it as well!
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 02:51 PM
What are you talking about I just checked every poll and the CONDOMS are in 2nd across the board
Back To Havasu
11-17-2003, 02:58 PM
If USC isn't at least number 2, then there is no justice, only power and its abuse.:mad:
BUSTI
11-17-2003, 03:20 PM
Ohio State can barely beat their competition. Purdue was ranked ...i'll give the Buckeyes that! But who stmps their ranked opponents with greater force..USC over ranked Wash. St or Ohio St. barely in over time over Purdue?
Margin of victory is not a criteria in the BSC computers and that is bullshit! In the last 5 games the USC TROJANS have beat their competition by an average of 35 points per game! In the top 10 this fact is bested only by the Ok Sooners! Give me a break! Next week they will beat fucla probably as bad as they just beat the AZ Wilcats. And on December 6 they will probably beat Oregan State by 21 points I bet.
So back to the BCS...I love USC but I am intellectually honest. This situation we find our selves in fellow Trojans is our own FAULT! WE LOST TO CAL DAMN IT! SO NOW WE HAVE OUR CHAMPIONSHIP HOPES IN THE HANDS OF SOME FING POINDEXTER computer geek and that is a shame. I agree with
Pete Carroll we need to stomp the shit out of fucla and the Beavers and the BCS we hope will take care of itself ....and us!
Oh well.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR OL SC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Havasu_Dreamin
11-17-2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Back To Havasu
If USC isn't at least number 2, then there is no justice, only power and its abuse.:mad:
A little dramatic don't you think?
Originally posted by BUSTI
Ohio State can barely beat their competition. Purdue was ranked ...i'll give the Buckeyes that! But who stmps their ranked opponents with greater force..USC over ranked Wash. St or Ohio St. barely in over time over Purdue?
Margin of victory is not a criteria in the BSC computers and that is bullshit! In the last 5 games the USC TROJANS have beat their competition by an average of 35 points per game! In the top 10 this fact is bested only by the Ok Sooners! Give me a break! Next week they will beat fucla probably as bad as they just beat the AZ Wilcats. And on December 6 they will probably beat Oregan State by 21 points I bet.
So back to the BCS...I love USC but I am intellectually honest. This situation we find our selves in fellow Trojans is our own FAULT! WE LOST TO CAL DAMN IT! SO NOW WE HAVE OUR CHAMPIONSHIP HOPES IN THE HANDS OF SOME FING POINDEXTER computer geek and that is a shame. I agree with
Pete Carroll we need to stomp the shit out of fucla and the Beavers and the BCS we hope will take care of itself ....and us!
Oh well.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR OL SC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the problem. The PAC-10 is pathetic compared to the big-10. That is the reason why OSU is ranked higher in the BCS. Simple. Play someone tough besides WASU in the PAC-10 then talk, until then beating UCLA and OR St is not an accomplishment.
Caribbean Jet
11-17-2003, 03:45 PM
I have one word for Ohio State "Michigan " and they are at home. They will lose to Michigan, heck they have been trying to lose all year. USC will be there...
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 04:12 PM
Correction, They did drop to 3rd
BUSTI
11-17-2003, 05:13 PM
Thor you are so wrong...if that was the case then why didnt USC play in the BCS chanpionship game last year? Last year USC beat more ranked teams than any other team in the top 5 and by greater margins. The BCS computer model is so screwed up. Why is it the most learned men in college football have the Trojans all most unaminously number two? The coaches poll more accurately portrays reality and the Trojans are hands down number 2.
And if the freaking BSc model is so accurate and the Trojans haven't accomplished any thing how come the Las Veags odds makers have of all the possible scenarios for an opponent for the Ok sooners at the Sugar Bowl, the best and most closest odds with a Sooner and Trojan game?
And if strength of schedule is so important then how come Michigan who is favored by 12 as of right now to beat the Buckeyes...got the shit beat out of them by Oregon?
HOW THE PHUK CAN THE NUMBER 2 TEAM BE AN UNDERDOG TO ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE NUMBER 1 TEAM?????????? MICHIGAN IS FREAKING FAVORED TO BEAT THEM! WHAT A F'ING JOKE!
Explain that to me! Or did that win of Oregons not mean anything? Don't let your SC hatred feelings make you intellectually DISHONEST. I admitted in my earlier post honestly ..it's our fault we lost to Cal...now you admitt next to OK we are playing the most impressive football in the country! If your man enough to give credit where credit is due I would respect your opinion more. The PAC 10 is tough enough just ask the Wolverrines how they got their asses kicked by a team that hasn't even won't even go to a bowl game...the Ducks f'd them up!
We butt humped on National TV in their own crib Auburn the first game and ruined their season. And if we could play Ohio State for the right play Ok we would win that game by 35 points. But since there isn't a playoff system we will have to just live with the screwed up BCS.
What is really screwed up is now they are talking as if Ohio State loses to the Wolverines...look out Trojans there is LSU to worry about. What the phuck! If that was the case then why aren't the Tigers rated over Ohio State right now?!?!Do you realise that USC's margin of victory just last week in one game excedes OHIO States margin of victory over their last 6 f'ing opponents!
The BCS sucks the most accurate measure of whos the best is still the coaches poll. And any body with half a brain has OK number 1 and USC 2. Phuck the Buckeyes and go Wolverines please make my point..Ohio state couldn't even carry our jock straps!
It doesnt matter how many useless/has been stats you spout off, the PAC 10 is weak.
BTW, point spreads are done by real power ratings by gaming officials. Trust me, my old roommate makes the lines at several Vegas casinos. Point spreads have nothing to do with who is ranked where.
Ohio state deserves the right to defend the championship, simple. Dont tell me how much USC should have been there in the end last year, THEY WERENT there. No question. Ohio state was undefeated and they have earned the right. Just stick to being an arm chair QB. :D
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 06:19 PM
Just stick to being an arm chair QB.
OH THAT HURT LOOK BELOW NOW.......
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 06:20 PM
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Back To Havasu
11-17-2003, 06:43 PM
Hey Havasu_Dreamin...if someone found that you had a brain...now that would be dramatic. F&%$ You.:mad:
Havasu_Dreamin
11-17-2003, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Back To Havasu
Hey Havasu_Dreamin...if someone found that you had a brain...now that would be dramatic. F&%$ You.:mad:
Jesus, get a grip! Did I call you out or say anything bad about you? Did I resort to calling you names or anything of the sort? Did I say f**k you becasue you're an $c fan? No, I just said I thought the comment was a little dramatic for a college football GAME! And for this you insult my intelligence? Gee, I wish I could be tough like you!
Edit: damn I need a spellchecker on this thing!
Back To Havasu
11-17-2003, 07:57 PM
Quit whining that you were misunderstood. You took a shot...I shot back. Grow up and get past it.:D
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 07:59 PM
There is a lot of fighting tonight all over this web site, must have been bad tacos off the truck at 3 in the morning this weekend
MRS FLYIN VEE
11-17-2003, 08:02 PM
WTF is there a full moon tonite or what.. what crawled up everyones ass.. shall we all start over.. hello i am MRS FLYIN VEE i am the queen of post whores.. :D come on it's suppose to be fun here. not a cut throat match.. life is too short to be so mad.. :D
Havasu_Dreamin
11-17-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Back To Havasu
Quit whining that you were misunderstood. You took a shot...I shot back. Grow up and get past it.:D
If you think that was a shot you are sadly mistaken! I could say all sorts of stuff but its pointless, it's goes nowhere and I don't even know you, not that I care to now, maybe would have prior to your little tirade, but why, you've obviously shown your true colors. Even my friends who are $c fans/graduates don't try and insult my intelligence!
Back To Havasu
11-17-2003, 08:18 PM
The only reasonable inference regarding your reply was that it was a shot. How else could I take it? As a compliment, I don't think so. As something neutral, not really. I don't care to know you either, but as long as you don't rag on me, I won't on you. Enough said, I hope.:D
Havasu_Dreamin
11-17-2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Back To Havasu
I don't care to know you either, but as long as you don't rag on me, I won't on you. Enough said, I hope.:D
I think if you were to ask anyone else on this board who has been here for a while, I don't rag on anyone and don't get involved in the pissing contests that usually occur here. I was just taken aback and you, bascially, calling me out when all I was trying to say was it was a little much for a game. That's all, nothing more and probably even a little bit less.
Back To Havasu
11-17-2003, 09:55 PM
It is more than a game to the alumni and fans of the two schools, and to the Pac-10 Conference. Playing in the championship game would mean increased revenue to the conference, and could only help USC's recruiting efforts in the coming years. My complaint is that if you review the performances of Ohio State and USC on Saturday, it seems an abuse of the power conferred on the BCS by the conferences to rank Ohio State ahead of USC. Just my $.02.:wink:
Dr. Eagle
11-17-2003, 10:23 PM
Doesn't BCS stand for Broken Computer System???:D
wenkel
11-17-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by SUPERCREWJOHN
Based on your rational of including the previous champion in the Big Game, why dont you just put the Tampa Bay Bucs into the Super Bowl even though they are currently 4-5. It doesnt make sense. That Buckeyes should not hold that spot. I even question if Oklahoma should be ranked number 1 because of all the 2-bit teams that they play. How many Texas A&M's and Baylors can they play. It looks like they have a full schedule of them.
Maybe we'll get lucky and Michigan will kick the SH*(T our of the BrownEyes ..
Go Trojans!!
how can you question oklahoma, we played texas ranked 3 at the time, beat them 65-13, we beat a good ucla defense 59-24, we beat oklahoma state ranked 11 at the time 52-9, we have pretty much handled everybody with ease. no question who is #1 . if we get beat then you can question our ranking till then fight over who will be #2.
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 10:35 PM
Where are those teams ranked now????????
wenkel
11-17-2003, 10:45 PM
texas #6
ok state #24
and usc has beat who?
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 10:48 PM
Not UCLA this weekend ,
thats for sure
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 10:52 PM
They just explaine the system on tv,
NY TIMES dropped Sc to 5th and but Flodia ahead of them even though they have two sorry ass losses
now I have to agree , BULLSHIT
wenkel
11-17-2003, 11:00 PM
i agree the bcs sucks, but to question ou being #1 is crazy. they have shut down every offense even the good ones, and scored huge numbers on every good defense. i know it isnt over yet but if they keep their heads on stright they should be going to the sugar bowl and we'll see then who is national champions. usually the season plays out to where we have the top 2 teams play each other, sometimes it is arguable between #2 and #3 but it is as close as we come without playoffs. i say befroe it is over a couple more will fall so we can have it down to the top 2. if not we have #3 pissed off but that is fuel for the fire next year.
Kilrtoy
11-17-2003, 11:01 PM
yeah but that has been every year so far
honkey1
11-17-2003, 11:19 PM
Ou deserves to be number one and USC is the only team I've seen that can offer them a challenge. Question OU all you want but, they have steped up every Saturday this year and are playing the best college football in the nation.
EDIT Oh yeah I also agree that the BCS is a bunch of shit.
We (OU) have the best team in the nation by far this year, and maybe the best college team I have ever seen play.My 2 cents
HavasuDreamin'
11-18-2003, 06:23 AM
Kirk Herbstreet.............college game day co-host said flat out that SC is the second best team in the country. He went so far as to say they are the best all around team in the country. They can play defense, offense and special teams.
He also stated the reality is that if OSU beats Michigan, SC will have an uphill battle and will be on the outside looking in.
The bottom line is that the BCS system is a crock of Sh*t. It works about as well as a '78 Pinto running on 3 cylinders. ;) Until a playoff is implemented, there will ALWAYS be controversy surrounding the BCS. Unfortunately, to dump the BCS now would be to admit complete and total failure by the NCAA in their effort to match up the real #1 and #2.
I tell the NCAA to put their ego aside and do whats best for college football and their fans. Clearly, a playoff system in which each game could be considered a bowl, would be best. Until then, someone will always get shunned by the BCS.
This year it will be SC and TCU or just TCU if Michigan beats OSU.
One thing is for sure. I am a huge Michigan fan this week.
GO WOLVERINES. :)
Oklahoma is hands down the best team in the country and USC is the 2nd best. But, the strength of schedule of USC kills them. If Ohio state wins out, they are more than likely in as #2.
BUSTI
11-18-2003, 10:30 AM
Thor I just read your last post and now I can say you are being intellectually honest by admitting USC is the 2nd best team in the country. That is all I was saying. Lets all be honest. OK as I have said many times well deserves the right to be number one 1! Equally so the Trojans derserve to be number two. All I am saying I would trust the combined wisdom of the coaches poll before the BCS computer.
The facts I mentioned earlier in this thread although you say don't matter are precisely why all the coaches in this country pick USC number two thats all I'm saying. And what you did last year doesn't give you the right to play in the BCS game this year! It doesn't work that way in any sport but boxing!
This is a new year and clearly if you are really honest OK and USC are the 2 best teams playing right now!
Originally posted by BUSTI
Thor I just read your last post and now I can say you are being intellectually honest by admitting USC is the 2nd best team in the country. That is all I was saying. Lets all be honest. OK as I have said many times well deserves the right to be number one 1! Equally so the Trojans derserve to be number two. All I am saying I would trust the combined wisdom of the coaches poll before the BCS computer.
The facts I mentioned earlier in this thread although you say don't matter are precisely why all the coaches in this country pick USC number two thats all I'm saying. And what you did last year doesn't give you the right to play in the BCS game this year! It doesn't work that way in any sport but boxing!
This is a new year and clearly if you are really honest OK and USC are the 2 best teams playing right now!
Last year does play a role in chosing who is there in the end. Ohio state has the potential for being the undisputed champ. :D
eliminatedsprinter
11-18-2003, 11:28 AM
The BCS is total BS they might as well use a wedgie (sp?) board or ask the magic 8 ball.:rolleyes:
It also dosen't help that the pac 10 is always underrated. If you look at the total # of national champs (in sports where there are playoffs and real national titles) the PAC 10 produces you will see that no other conf is even close to them. :p It is no coincidence that the sport the PAC 10 is supposedly "weak" in is the one sport that never has a playoffs or a real national championship.:rolleyes:
You cant look back in history when travel plans of teams were hindered because of the distance of travel. The PAC 10 sucks this year, face it. Just look at the top 25 teams and count them up. Your answer is right in front of you.
BUSTI
11-18-2003, 11:48 AM
Sprinter you are so right! Thor not one point is deducted from the BCS score for Ohio Staete because of what they did last year. And not one coach has voted for them this year in the coaches poll because of what they did last year. They have no rights passed on to them to play in any post season game because of what they did last year.
YOU ARE THE ONLY FOOTBALL FAN ON THE PLANET THAT THINKS WHAT YOUR TEAM DID LAST YEAR EARNS YOU THE RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a new year! What this team does this year is all that matters this year in determing if you play in post season this year. Please reprint any qoute or article from a crediitable sports authority that share such a cockamamy idea as yours that the past should determine the futere participants of any championship game this year.
TrojanDan
11-18-2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by THOR
Oklahoma is hands down the best team in the country and USC is the 2nd best. But, the strength of schedule of USC kills them. If Ohio state wins out, they are more than likely in as #2.
Wow Thor, we actually agree on something!:D
Trojan "bandwagon Wolverine Fan" Dan :cool:
Originally posted by BUSTI
Sprinter you are so right! Thor not one point is deducted from the BCS score for Ohio Staete because of what they did last year. And not one coach has voted for them this year in the coaches poll because of what they did last year. They have no rights passed on to them to play in any post season game because of what they did last year.
YOU ARE THE ONLY FOOTBALL FAN ON THE PLANET THAT THINKS WHAT YOUR TEAM DID LAST YEAR EARNS YOU THE RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a new year! What this team does this year is all that matters this year in determing if you play in post season this year. Please reprint any qoute or article from a crediitable sports authority that share such a cockamamy idea as yours that the past should determine the futere participants of any championship game this year.
ESPN seems to think that a defending champion should be given the right to defend their title. BTW, Herbstriet thinks the way I do. Trev ALberts does, Lee Corso, etc... see I am not the only one.
HavasuDreamin'
11-18-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by THOR
BTW, Herbstriet thinks the way I do.
WRONG. I saw an interview yesterday with Herbstreit. He said hands down USC is the second best team in college football and should be playing for the title. :cool:
Ducatista
11-18-2003, 12:20 PM
When Ohio State(who is lucky to have the record they have) looses to Michigan this next game and USC wins, all will return to where they should be. USC will give Oklahomo a run for their money in the title game! :D
Tremor Therapy
11-18-2003, 12:41 PM
All of this wouldn't matter if SC doesn't lose to Cal! If they would have taken care of their own business it wouldn't matter. Now it is in the hands of a bunch of east coast hacks....so they get what they deserve.....next year when you play Cal, bury them 45-0 just like Az, that way you have your destiny in your own hands!
Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
WRONG. I saw an interview yesterday with Herbstreit. He said hands down USC is the second best team in college football and should be playing for the title. :cool:
Hmmm, that is not at all what I heard. But, you said I am wrong so I must be. ;)
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