Supermarket Strikers

[MudPumper]

The news just showed strikers in Santa Monica yelling at shoppers and chasing them through the parking lot. WTF, am I the only one that thinks this Strike is beyond ridiculous. Get your stupid asses back to work. I respected the strike at first but not anymore.

[fourspeednup]

Exactly my stand. I was hesitant to cross a picket line at first...not because I'm a big pussy but I respect the decision for workers to strike...but this has to end some time! Lets everyone get back to work and just get on with our lives. How can the strikers survive? I understand that there is a "strike fund" but that can't last too long.:rolleyes:

[Kilrtoy]

That is B.S
they need to understand notall people have the means to dreive miles away and get stuff.
That was made me rethink their postion....

[LASERRAY]

The picketers realize now that they've been screwed by the union, and they're now lashing-out at the consumer when they should be lashing-out at the union. Either way The picketers are getting screwed. Some will be lucky to still have a job. When this is all over, the union will be fine, the Supermarkets will be fine, and once again, the American worker takes it in the rear. What's wrong with this picture? Corporate greed on both sides of the fence.:cool:

[Moneypitt]

I haven't needed to cross any picket lines yet, but if the strikers are going to chase people that do, maybe I will!! I don't really think they'll want to catch me!!. As was already said, Get over it!!!!!!!........Moneypitt

[hoolign]

I'm all for supermarket strippers......

[MudPumper]

Originally posted by hoolign
I'm all for supermarket strippers......
It would bring new meaning to "Clean Up On Isle 4"!!

[HighRoller]

My buddy's wife received two copies of the latest offer, one from the union and one from the employer. He said they looked like two different documents, and that his wife discovered it was the union who was lying about the offer. I guess it's all about saving face now for the union, too bad it's the workers who got hosed. I think the striking workers should all go back to work and go on strike against the union and see how those greedy Aholes like it.

[robert_pv]

What ever happened to free enterprising?? If you don't like your job than move on to creating bigger and better opportunities for themselves . There has to be something better to do for there families then hold up signs. Are these people not able to make there way in a opportune society? Move along.

[Jungle Boy]

I've never understood the union mentality. Why would you think that going on strike for a buck or two increase make any sence, when you've spent a month or two making a third of what you would normally make. It would take a year to make up the difference. I've always lived by the idea that if you don't like your job and think you getting ****ed, then quit and find something better. Unions can lick my ass.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Jungle Boy
Unions can lick my ass.
Hidious. LOL..

[Infomaniac]

Originally posted by MudPumper
It would bring new meaning to "Clean Up On Isle 4"!!
ROFLMAO !!
Well that would require more health insurance coverage for the bio hazard.

[JetBoatRich]

I crossed the lines about 6 times total, once incident in the beginning with a loud mouth striker. Confronted him and he apologized.
I was going to the insta=teller in Vons the other day, funny thing. The pople outside could not have been nicer:D greeted us, by saying good morning and asked how we are doing, etc. On the way out, they said have a nice day and see you soon. Much better apporach than the idiots chasing customers, which can help me stay away from shopping there.
We used to shop at Vons every week, the few times I was there, items we liked were harder to find or not on sale. Costco has gained our business:(

[MagicMtnDan]

I have never understood why these picketers have been allowed to picket at the front door of the grocery stores!
Just about every other strike I can remember had the picketers no closer to the business than on the sidewalk in front of the company they were picketing. Why do these strikers seem to get special treatment?!
They camp themselves in front of the entrance/exit doors, they block the doorways trying to be slick, and I've seen them many times walk very slowly across the parking lot in front of the stores, many times even stopping in front of cars driving to/from the stores.
These losers should be out on the sidewalk in front of the stores, out by the street. They should never have been allowed to block the doorways and confront INNOCENT SHOPPERS. The first time I went to the store after the strike started I had to deal with them confronting me and my wife and I got right back in their faces and told them to go find a job.
I have no respect for them - they walked out when hundreds of thousands around the country were losing their jobs. And they walked out because their union leaders had them smoking crack telling them that they deserved to get free healthcare unlike the millions of Americans who have to contribute to their healthcare coverage.
John Kerry and the Unions deserve each other! He cries out, "FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!" Yeah, I'm all for that - FREE healthcare coverage. And while we're at it, free food and free cars and free boats too. Who the EFF do these liberals and socialists think is going to PAY for it?! Nothing is free and we will be taxed to death to pay the hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to give every American free healthcare. Why should I want to pay more taxes to pay for healthcare coverage for people who don't/won't work!
The unions, the liberals and John Kerry can all go pound sand. Them and their gay marriage rights too! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Kachina26]

Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
I have never understood why these picketers have been allowed to picket at the front door of the grocery stores!
Just about every other strike I can remember had the picketers no closer to the business than on the sidewalk in front of the company they were picketing. Why do these strikers seem to get special treatment?!
They camp themselves in front of the entrance/exit doors, they block the doorways trying to be slick, and I've seen them many times walk very slowly across the parking lot in front of the stores, many times even stopping in front of cars driving to/from the stores.
These losers should be out on the sidewalk in front of the stores, out by the street. They should never have been allowed to block the doorways and confront INNOCENT SHOPPERS. The first time I went to the store after the strike started I had to deal with them confronting me and my wife and I got right back in their faces and told them to go find a job.
I have no respect for them - they walked out when hundreds of thousands around the country were losing their jobs. And they walked out because their union leaders had them smoking crack telling them that they deserved to get free healthcare unlike the millions of Americans who have to contribute to their healthcare coverage.
John Kerry and the Unions deserve each other! He cries out, "FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!" Yeah, I'm all for that - FREE healthcare coverage. And while we're at it, free food and free cars and free boats too. Who the EFF do these liberals and socialists think is going to PAY for it?! Nothing is free and we will be taxed to death to pay the hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to give every American free healthcare. Why should I want to pay more taxes to pay for healthcare coverage for people who don't/won't work!
The unions, the liberals and John Kerry can all go pound sand. Them and their gay marriage rights too! :mad: :mad: :mad: I like the idea of free food, I mean using Kerry's logic, you have to have it to live, therefore it is an inalienable right and should be provided by the government at the expense of those who have more than their fair share of the money. And if not provided by the government we should mandate that employers with more than 20 employees, provide it for free. Yeah yeah and then we could make them provide................... fill in the blank (check)

[C-2]

Originally posted by HighRoller
My buddy's wife received two copies of the latest offer, one from the union and one from the employer. He said they looked like two different documents, and that his wife discovered it was the union who was lying about the offer. I guess it's all about saving face now for the union, too bad it's the workers who got hosed. I think the striking workers should all go back to work and go on strike against the union and see how those greedy Aholes like it.
Yup. My wife got the same....the union has been meeting with the the grocers then asking them to keep it quiet. Then they have the balls to go on t.v. and say the grocers refuse to come to the table. Get this...they also said it was their members who decided to strike "not them", as if they are strying to separate the brass from its members. WTF We all know the union told the members they needed to strike!
The union is sucking some big time ass right now.
C2<----------waiting for RioDog to come on here and chew some hide.

[Essex502]

The L.A.Times has a good article on the screw-ups by the local union officials....
UFCW Mishaps (http://www.latimes.com/la-fi-union11feb11,1,2561218.story)

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

Originally posted by C-2
Yup. My wife got the same....the union has been meeting with the the grocers then asking them to keep it quiet. Then they have the balls to go on t.v. and say the grocers refuse to come to the table. Get this...they also said it was their members who decided to strike "not them", as if they are strying to separate the brass from its members. WTF We all know the union told the members they needed to strike!
The union is sucking some big time ass right now.
C2<----------waiting for RioDog to come on here and chew some hide.
Where are you guys getting the copy of the new employers propsal? I'd like to see it so I can be more educated on the subject.
Regarding the "hush-hush" negotiations, evey paper I read stated that the federal mediators ordered both sides to keep quiet. I doubt the grocers would keep quiet because the union asked them to. Sure hope they make some headway this week and get those people back to work.
Angie

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
I have never understood why these picketers have been allowed to picket at the front door of the grocery stores!
Just about every other strike I can remember had the picketers no closer to the business than on the sidewalk in front of the company they were picketing. Why do these strikers seem to get special treatment?!
They camp themselves in front of the entrance/exit doors, they block the doorways trying to be slick, and I've seen them many times walk very slowly across the parking lot in front of the stores, many times even stopping in front of cars driving to/from the stores.
These losers should be out on the sidewalk in front of the stores, out by the street. They should never have been allowed to block the doorways and confront INNOCENT SHOPPERS. The first time I went to the store after the strike started I had to deal with them confronting me and my wife and I got right back in their faces and told them to go find a job.
I have no respect for them - they walked out when hundreds of thousands around the country were losing their jobs. And they walked out because their union leaders had them smoking crack telling them that they deserved to get free healthcare unlike the millions of Americans who have to contribute to their healthcare coverage.
John Kerry and the Unions deserve each other! He cries out, "FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!" Yeah, I'm all for that - FREE healthcare coverage. And while we're at it, free food and free cars and free boats too. Who the EFF do these liberals and socialists think is going to PAY for it?! Nothing is free and we will be taxed to death to pay the hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to give every American free healthcare. Why should I want to pay more taxes to pay for healthcare coverage for people who don't/won't work!
The unions, the liberals and John Kerry can all go pound sand. Them and their gay marriage rights too! :mad: :mad: :mad:
They are allowed to picket anywhere on the property as long as they don't block people from entering / exiting the store. I don't agree with this, but it is the law.
The same goes for solicitors outside a store. The store may not want them there, but they can't do anything to stop them.:rolleyes:

[Nubbs]

Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
I have no respect for them - they walked out when hundreds of thousands around the country were losing their jobs. And they walked out because their union leaders had them smoking crack telling them that they deserved to get free healthcare unlike the millions of Americans who have to contribute to their healthcare coverage.
John Kerry and the Unions deserve each other! He cries out, "FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!" Yeah, I'm all for that - FREE healthcare coverage. And while we're at it, free food and free cars and free boats too. Who the EFF do these liberals and socialists think is going to PAY for it?! Nothing is free and we will be taxed to death to pay the hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to give every American free healthcare. Why should I want to pay more taxes to pay for healthcare coverage for people who don't/won't work!
The unions, the liberals and John Kerry can all go pound sand. Them and their gay marriage rights too! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Wow, I don't think I could've said it better myself. Honestly, I don't want any striker to end up being a bum. But I don't feel sorry for them if they ain't willing to bust their a$$ to make ends meet. I'd love to have free health care and be overpaid too.

[BADBLOWN572]

My friend got into it with a striker about a week or so ago. He was walking into the store and a striker blocked his way. He calmly told the striker to step aside so he can shop. The striker got all huffy puffy and said "don't you understand our cause?" My friend said that he understanded their cause but he did not care about it. The striker got all pissed and started yelling at my friend. My friend said right back to him, "If it is so bad, why don't you go out and get a real job versus standing on the corner waving a sign and getting paid." He proceeded to tell the striker exactly what he thought about their strike and that it is B.S. Everyone else pays for their own health care. He told the guy that they are all pissed because their handouts and "welfare" is going away and they are bitter because they will have to start paying for something that they should have paid for from the beginning. He then told the guy to get a reality check and pushed his way past the guy.
When my friend came out of the store, there was a cop waiting for him and the guy who stopped him was there saying that my friend was "harassing" the strikers and that they were minding their own business. The cop said that they respond to the location ever time the striker that stopped my friend is present. The cop said that the one striker tries to get customers to the point that they assault him and then he attempts to press charges to gain publicity. Even though they have no right to stop a person from shopping at a location.

[FletchMonster]

Between the bad behavior of the strikers and the greed of the stores, we don't plan on going back to any of the involved stores after this thing is resolved.

[Buff]

What do you people want - to go back to the pre-union days of labor? If these companies are allowed to treat labor as they want we will will regress a hundred years. The only reason modern management pays decent wages is the pressure of Union reciprocity. Do you want to go back to sub-standard wages - namely unskilled workers working for wages that will make it impossible to buy houses and autos and the like. This permanent underclass will proliferate in poverty and crime .
Sure - learn a skill - well the fact is that most workers for what ever reasons do not possess a marketable skill. They are relegated to making a living for their families with their backs. Shall they be excluded from the American Dream? (Home ownership) Of course not. Management, by definition is out to maximize their profits. They must have a counter-force to keep them from becoming the conscienceless money-making monsters they once were before the rise of the unions. True enough however, the unions, once effective insturments for fairness, have metamorphosed into seriously corrupt and inept institutions. But I for one would rather work to restructure the unions than put my faith and my family's future ino the hands of unchecked business owners. I for one will continue repect any picketeer's line. Yes, we are inconvienced, but those on the line could be friends or family in the future. Sorry for the rambling - buf

[welk2party]

No matter what the issues are, the strikers will never recover from the lost time. Should they get everything they wanted from this strike, they still end up worse off due to the time off.

[NOTALENT]

if they chased me out.. I would start dropping people..and bust out the mace...screw that shit...I agree that the full time 40hr a week workers should get what they deserve but if ur not doing the full time then screw u...!!!:mad: :mad:

[superdave013]

I now shop Von's all the time.
My wife used to do all the shopping but did get harrassed by strikers once. Now we both go together and I'll tell you what. The people that she pointed out to me that were giving her a hard time are to big of a pussy to say anything to me. And the funny thing is that I'm far from a bad ass.

[NOTALENT]

lol...thats funny...If we get harrased by picketers can we call the cops..and file a complaint??? and have them arrested? I have gone there a few times and when they started on me I try to provoke them to do something..Just I can go after them legally..lol maybe I can sue the union.:D

[rivercrazy]

The days of Unions are numbered. They outlived their usefullness back in the 20's and 30's. There are more than adequate worker protections under the current laws.
In fact, Union's hurt workers more than help them. The current grocery situation is a perfect example of that

[Tom Slick]

This whole strike deal is rediclous. First off you have over paid under educated people that are working under the union in these stores. The only reason that they are out there picketing is because most of them don't have the skills to get another job that pays anywhere near what the grocery stores pay. I for one would like to know how in the hell these people are even paying their bills right now? And what do they think is going to happen when this whole thing is over? Are these people going to greet us with a big smile on their face when we go back into their stores as if nothing happened? I for one am not going to be to thrilled having to deal with the same employees that only days earlier were yelling at me not to shop at their store. Get a life and get areal job like the rest of us. Pay your own health insurance like the rest of us and get on with your life people.

[CA Stu]

The strikers should all gay-marry each other on Valentine's Day, sneak across the border illegally and go apply for welfare in Mexico, where they can put massive amounts of golf cart batteries in their boats, crank the USA national anthems on their huge watt stereos and boo while drinking margaritas. Then they can sell the video for $50 a whack on gayeexpatriatestrikersonwelfarewhohatetheUSA.com
:confused:
CA Stu

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by C-2
Yup. My wife got the same....the union has been meeting with the the grocers then asking them to keep it quiet. Then they have the balls to go on t.v. and say the grocers refuse to come to the table. Get this...they also said it was their members who decided to strike "not them", as if they are strying to separate the brass from its members. WTF We all know the union told the members they needed to strike!
The union is sucking some big time ass right now.
C2<----------waiting for RioDog to come on here and chew some hide.
The Union Representatives early on said that this strike would be the "Silver Bullet" that'll kill the chains stronghold...Well apparently the grocery stores are not "Vampires" afterall. I'm so tired of the whole situation I've become numb to it although my brother is directly effected by it as the Ca. regional Pharmacy director.

[Waldo]

Ziggy, I thought pharmacy workers were back at it two weeks after teh strike. A coworker's husband is a pharmacist and that's when he went back to work. Pharmacists are back at work because of the consumer need for meds (drugs:D).

[BUSTI]

If you want more from your job you need provide more value to your company. Just because you scan groceries and make change doesn't mean you are entitled to benifits and a great wage.
I blame the grocery business for trying to build their business on the backs of not so bright employees...namely the retail clerks. Now that the discounters are here both sides better wake up! Both better start to realize they can't compete the current way they do business. I say IF AND THIS IS A BIG IF the union can show the supermarkets how this deal brings added value to the grocers table than I am sure the grocers would jump all over it. Doesn't the stupid union and its striking members get it...the stores are saying you aren't worth the money! Show them you are and maybe your stock with them will go up.

[NastyOne]

I look at it like this... I dont have helth care and day those ****s show up at my office to picket for me is the day i dont shop at Vons.:wink:

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by Waldo
Ziggy, I thought pharmacy workers were back at it two weeks after teh strike. A coworker's husband is a pharmacist and that's when he went back to work. Pharmacists are back at work because of the consumer need for meds (drugs:D).
Yes most are from what I know, but it took some doing in order for it to happen-They had to place a public saftey warning or consumer safety dealio in order for them to be able to go back to work. At one point my brother said the Pharms were breaking out of the union and establishing a guild instead, don't know for a fact if that happened but either way it has been very difficult for my Bro...He just happened to take the Corp. position shortly before the stike began so he's been employed the whole time but having to cover shortages throughout California...He's a very tired man these days and still had to deal with Strikers confronting/threatening him as he left his office at Corp...that really scared him one time leaving the gates very late at night.

[superdave013]

anyone other then me using those self check outs at Home Depot??
Scaning joint compound seems pretty easy. I bet I could scan frozen pee's just as easy (I hate ****in pees btw).
Maybe Von's will get one of those self check out deals pretty soon.

[572Daytona]

The Kroger's here have self checkout lanes. I use them all the time, unfortunately they are for the express lanes only so if I have a cartful I still have to use a cashier, but even then 9 times out of 10 I bag my own groceries just to speed things up a bit.

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by superdave013
anyone other then me using those self check outs at Home Depot??
Scaning joint compound seems pretty easy. I bet I could scan frozen pee's just as easy (I hate ****in pees btw).
Maybe Von's will get one of those self check out deals pretty soon.
Like the Smith's in Havasu

[boatnam2]

im not really sure were you guys are coming up with these 15 to 20 dollars a month stuff but it more like 5000 a year for both full time and part time so if your pt and making 22k a year 5k is alot of money.

[NorCal Gameshow]

Originally posted by superdave013
anyone other then me using those self check outs at Home Depot??
Scaning joint compound seems pretty easy. I bet I could scan frozen pee's just as easy (I hate ****in pees btw).
Maybe Von's will get one of those self check out deals pretty soon.
home depot's work out great ....except they only had one regular checkstand open and a line for the self check....nothing like waiting line and doing the work...:rolleyes:

[Dr. Eagle]

What is really wrong is that the president of that union makes more money than the president of the AFL-CIO. The article I read on the subject said the dude makes somewhere between 280,000 and 300,000 (don't remember the number exactly) per year. Plus, vehicle, expenses and of course the always legendary "union conventions" where no hooker is too much money.
If this guy is supposed to be one of the "rank and file" elevated to a "managerial" position, doesn't it seem that he should get something a little closer to the "rank and file"?
Oh, and his paycheck didn't stop when they went on strike....:rolleyes:

[superdave013]

Originally posted by boatnam2
im not really sure were you guys are coming up with these 15 to 20 dollars a month stuff but it more like 5000 a year for both full time and part time so if your pt and making 22k a year 5k is alot of money.
You are way off of what the new radio ad from the stores said today.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by superdave013
You are way off of what the new radio ad from the stores said today.
If they paid the full premium (like I do) it might be that kind of money. But they are being asked to pay a small portion of the premium. Not all that unreasonable at 22K a year...

[robert_pv]

More wages and better medical ?? Who's paying for it?? Me and all of you... Its the consumer that loses . Prices for gasoline and other comodities will increase across the board to pay for strikers demands.

[Scream]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
If they paid the full premium (like I do) it might be that kind of money. But they are being asked to pay a small portion of the premium. Not all that unreasonable at 22K a year...
Amen to that. Full Medical, Full Dental, Full Optical...Jeeezus, I can't afford that type of "health care" windfall for myself or my employees. Why are these idots striking? GREED pure and simple.

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
If they paid the full premium (like I do) it might be that kind of money. But they are being asked to pay a small portion of the premium. Not all that unreasonable at 22K a year...
22k a year for part time maybe...My friend, who has worked in the grocery business since high school, makes $18.00 an hour stocking shelves. He is a full time employee, and makes extra money working O.T.
It is not a life I would choose, but for what he is doing he is compensated well. He is single and just bought a new house in So. Cal., has a nice truck, desert toys and a trailer. I don't think he is doing to bad, except now he ain't making $hit because he is on strike.
He wants to go back to work, but can't. The union has screwed him and his fellow employees.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Scream
Amen to that. Full Medical, Full Dental, Full Optical...Jeeezus, I can't afford that type of "health care" windfall for myself or my employees. Why are these idots striking? GREED pure and simple.
My insurance costs me about 4K a year and is just a hospitalization/major medical policy. Because of my knee injury of three years ago, I can't get full insurance.
They just don't know how damn good they have it... Or maybe it will end up how good they had it.
:rolleyes:

[C-2]

My wife is actually in the bakery union and works at one of the big three. Two weeks ago she received a letter from her union stating that due to increased healthcare costs, union members voted to approve deducting $27 a week from each paycheck to help meet those costs.
No strike.
No lockout.
No bullshit.
Just a simple letter and no complaints on our end. :)
The supermarkets are asking for $5 and $15 dollars per week contributions towards healthcare costs. Gimmie a break, they should be thrilled. At worse, $60 a month to provide healthcare FOR YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY? That’s a bad deal? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Havasu Cig
22k a year for part time maybe...My friend, who has worked in the grocery business since high school, makes $18.00 an hour stocking shelves. He is a full time employee, and makes extra money working O.T.
It is not a life I would choose, but for what he is doing he is compensated well. He is single and just bought a new house in So. Cal., has a nice truck, desert toys and a trailer. I don't think he is doing to bad, except now he ain't making $hit because he is on strike.
He wants to go back to work, but can't. The union has screwed him and his fellow employees.
He could go back to work if he wanted to. At the Vons by me there is more and more of the union workers back to work everyday. Most of the checker are back now.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by C-2
My wife is actually in the bakery union and works at one of the big three. Two weeks ago she received a letter from her union stating that due to increased healthcare costs, union members voted to approve deducting $27 a week from each paycheck to help meet those costs.
No strike.
No lockout.
No bullshit.
Just a simple letter and no complaints on our end. :)
The supermarkets are asking for $5 and $15 dollars per week contributions towards healthcare costs. Gimmie a break, they should be thrilled. At worse, $60 a month to provide healthcare FOR YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY? That’s a bad deal? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Well when you have had it for free for all these years, you just kind of expect it. I can understand griping about it, but striking is... well in this economic climate... not very smart.
:confused:

[JetBoatRich]

Wish our expense was so cheap:mad:

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by superdave013
He could go back to work if he wanted to. At the Vons by me there is more and more of the union workers back to work everyday. Most of the checker are back now.
Yeah, but he is buying into the union B.S. He does not want to cross the line because he, and his fellow employees, fear what might happen in the future if they give in now.
I think the union miscalculated the response from the public and the supermarkets.
My buddy gave him a job at his business so he can survive in the mean time, but he still is not getting benefits now.