Im going to Kill an INDIAN!!!

[NOTALENT]

So I went out to check out those properties this weekend on the CA side of Havasu that money pit was talking about. Kind of trashy and all but had potential and As My Parents and friend were checking out some lots near the river at the top..I guess we were on the gaming land. We start hearing gun shots..Not thinking much of it figuring it was some rednecks shooting targets or something probaly went through a whole 15rd clip. We began to proceed down the hill torwards the river. And it stopped. Now we had no Idea where it was coming from all these abandoned trailers and no sight of anyone. Once we came back up to the toop of the hill the firing started up again!! still thinking nothing of it until I felt and heard about 3 of them flying right next to me!!!
We ran down to the car and headed away from him. We saw an old white guy and we stopped and talked to him and said he was a craced out indian. Since we were on indian property he was trying to kill us because they were butt hurt that they lost the property. He said the indian shot at him a few times until he started to shoot back...He said he was cracked out on payote! I am going to go back next weekend to look around some more and talk to some more people..ITs still fishy...But I am taking my AR-15, and my beretta 92fs. If he opens one round Im going to lite that bastard up!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Forkin' Crazy]

:eek:

[Three Days Only]

Murder should be kept to yourself!!!! That way its not premeditated, oooh and go by yourself, that way theres no witnesses. The 92FS is a good back up weapon, but the AR should do the job real well!!!!!!!!!!

[NOTALENT]

Oh...Yeah..So everyone forget what I said....Im taking the AR this way Its long range..NEver Even See me when I get through with that bastard.

[HavasuDreamin']

I think the indians can cause more problems for the people that decide to buy land out there than you think. This is a fine example of what you shouldn't have to put up with when going to the river. To those that are still looking out there, be careful and do all of your homework.
HD

[NOTALENT]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
I think the indians can cause more problems for the people that decide to buy land out there than you think. This is a fine example of what you shouldn't have to put up with when going to the river. To those that are still looking out there, be careful and do all of your homework.
HD
Exactly...I am still very skeptical about he whole idea. He was the only indian left..the rest left the place. But still very concerned about it. All though they are telling what I want to hear..I still feel they are leaving something out.

[bigkatboat]

If it were as easy as you think it is going to be, don't you think all of us who already live out here would have bought it up? If you have some "Special Deal" going, GOOD LUCK! I have friends that have been 'renting' from the tribe for years, and they won't invest another dime, 'cause they know how things have been over there for decades. One day you're in and the next day you're out. They also will try to control the ROADS! "Just fly your chopper into your isolated little part of the world". Try looking at the south end of the lake (Az. side) around the power wires, I know that there is PRIVATE land right on the water in that area. You must respect the 50' rule, but the land is right at the water's edge in a cove. I think it was zoned, Agriculture, or Camp/ School ? No bars or boat repairs, just low key stuff, or private homes. The road to it is dirt, and power is just a few hundred feet away. Good luck!

[phuggit]

Don't forget the shovel. ha

[NOTALENT]

dont have the shovel..can I borrow one??lol.. Well theres only one person around to hear it...and he wont mind.:D

[Rod-64]

If you shoot him...........Bring me back his peyote, will you???:D

[phuggit]

I think it was the Hells Angels that said..."Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
All kidding aside. With the messages on the boards lately about peoples homes being taken back by the Indians I would be real careful about buying/leasing anything from an Indian tribe. It reminds me of the peeps who were evicted out of their homes in Mexico a few years ago. The last thing I would want is to invest my money into a vacation home for my family and have some ahole taking pot shots at me or telling me I have two days to get all my shiznit out.
Good luck!

[NOTALENT]

well..The thing is the land is acutally FORSALE...ITs just surrounded by indian land. Just they have had the road right of way. But that is no longer an issue. There is power, sewage, and even water. But I still have to talk to the land company and work out some details.

[HOSS]

I`ve got a 220. I could get him in the torso from 1200 meters. Head shot guaranteed at 400!
PEYOTE` ..................damn cactus again.

[phuggit]

Sounds like you have a little white man's reservation inside the Indian reservation...interesting.

[AzDon]

I have just three words for anyone looking at property on the west side of lake Havasu: "Title insurance" and "Access"! Like BigKat said, you might have to helicopter in, and I don't believe there is any launchramps that aren't on indian land. Ultimately it could be decided by the courts that the indians own it all. Quitclaim transactions are pretty much worthless in this kind of situation.
The land BigKat is referring to was to be the largest mobilehome resort on the river. Grading was started, and then it was discovered that no water rights existed. Don Bolles of the Arizona Republic reported on this and some other foibles of developer Max Dunlap and was subsequently killed in a car bombing.
There are still plenty of opportunities to buy any kind of property you'd want within the immediate vicinity of Lake Havasu City, but prices are climbing fast and may hit the next 8-year plateau soon! If you're looking for stuff that's still undervalued, look at Needles!

[NOTALENT]

Well Eleanore buck supplies the water for this area. Indians were fighting for the right of way to the land but..They lost. Edison Has already begun installing power and the sewage and water is already done. There are already established houses which looke to have been just buil within a couple of years. It is located about 7 miles from Havasu landing. But we will see what happens

[Mandelon]

I have my title guy looking into it.

[RJ Nordic]

I agree with bigkat, if it sounds to good to be true it most likely is.
Don't you think most of the sauvey developers would have already hit on this gold mine.
Invest in land yes, but remember the indians are still pissed for what has happened in the past, and the f*&ken courts are too liberal so they feel sorry for the ass holes, so they'll just GIVE yours to them. Socialism at it's finest. Take from those that work and give to those that don't.

[ROZ]

Originally posted by Mandelon
I have my title guy looking into it. You have a guy for everything don't you :D

[bigkatboat]

AZ. Don, I'm not talking about the "land grading ripoff". I'm talking about Deeded Land south of that deal. I wanted to buy some of it a few years ago and put up a bar "Pirates Cove". Zoning and the '50 foot' rule, put things out of the picture. I then looked into the "Roadrunner", but they wanted way too much for it. As far as the California side goes, it's nice to be first, or it could be HELL to be first. The history that I know of tells me to "stay the hell away"! Just a few years ago some rail road leases were TERMINATED, by the "tribe". I read in the paper and on these boards that down south, around Blythe a "lease termination" problem was soon to be realized. AZ. Don, tell us about Parker, why the town is such a s%$# hole! The "tribe" tries to control everything and they seem to be out of control. From what I hear, Tony Soprano has nothing on the "tribe". I won't invest a dime in that town, even though I wanted to live there (the keys) at one time (glad I really looked into the FACTS) I love the river, maybe more than the lake. I guess I have no real experience, dealing with "sovereigned nations" and I don't need to throw away money, finding out how things work. I do know that this is a large enough area, and plenty of it is "deeded by title" so, why deal with the (tribe) unknown?

[bigkatboat]

Sorry, I was readin' singles, seein' doubles, drinkin' triples!

[Seadog]

It was in the paper today that a CA BIA manager allowed several hundred peple to be added to the rolls of a tribe that had only 70 members, so that they could take over the tribe council and vote for gambling casinos on the tribal lands. The BIA manager and many of her family and friends were added to the rolls. When a congressman started inquiries, he was told to butt out (politely, of course). Tell me the system isn't a broken mess. It has nothing to do with political parties. The corruption is so ingrained that they would have to fire everyone to start a solution. The leadership originally brought in by Bush was immediately hit by lawsuits that threaten to jail them for failures of many previous administrations. We cannot expect solutions when we tie the leadership up in court while the problem runs amok.

[repo man]

what happened to the good old days when you could just trade for beads &cheap whiskey? oh yaa i'd just break his f!@#$% neck

[moneypit]

I was out there this weekend also. I didnt see anyone nor get shot at.. I am confused though. Was he shooting at you while you were on the reservation property or while you were on the private land? Obviously it doenst matter. Dumb indian shouldnt be shooting anyway.
I was actually quite impressed with the location.... dirt is dirt..The property is being sold through a title company. I know four other people that have put money down on the properties. I have purchased some land also.... hell if I have to use a helicopter to get in then thats what I will have to do

[Outnumbered]

Originally posted by Bropb16
So I went out to check out those properties this weekend on the CA side of Havasu that money pit was talking about. Kind of trashy and all but had potential and As My Parents and friend were checking out some lots near the river at the top..I guess we were on the gaming land. We start hearing gun shots..Not thinking much of it figuring it was some rednecks shooting targets or something probaly went through a whole 15rd clip. We began to proceed down the hill torwards the river. And it stopped. Now we had no Idea where it was coming from all these abandoned trailers and no sight of anyone. Once we came back up to the toop of the hill the firing started up again!! still thinking nothing of it until I felt and heard about 3 of them flying right next to me!!!
We ran down to the car and headed away from him. We saw an old white guy and we stopped and talked to him and said he was a craced out indian. Since we were on indian property he was trying to kill us because they were butt hurt that they lost the property. He said the indian shot at him a few times until he started to shoot back...He said he was cracked out on payote! I am going to go back next weekend to look around some more and talk to some more people..ITs still fishy...But I am taking my AR-15, and my beretta 92fs. If he opens one round Im going to lite that bastard up!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
No offense but you're f'n nuts to go back out there with these wacked out indians taking shots at you. What kinda vacation would that be? This thread would have a whole different tone if the crazy indian would have taken out your mom or dad. Nobody seems to think its a big deal that you had bullets flying by your heads when you were just checking out some property, WTF?
Just like was mentioned above, if it was a sweet deal a developer would have snatched it up a while back and took the indian heat for the big profit in the long run. He (the indian) may be the only one left there now but when the evil white man comes in and starts making something of that place you think all of these forgotten tribe members are not gonna start coming out of the wood work?
I would't even waste my time or risk my life to go back out there. And if you take your gun with you and kill the guy you'll be railed by the indian courts no doubt.
Just my $0.02
OL

[Essex502]

Originally posted by moneypit
.... hell if I have to use a helicopter to get in then thats what I will have to do
Wait till the Indians claim "airspace" rights and deny your "fly-overs"!
That's what we get trying to be nice to them heathens! :D

[NOTALENT]

lol..I was on the Private lots on the last row closest to to river by what looked like a mining museum..with a where house and a few abandoned trialers. thats when the shots started...sounded like a .22 went through a whole clip..we then hiked the hill to see where the river was..and as we came back over the started again..and this time I know..they were flying by us I literally felt it and heard the whizz.. Stupid freaking piece of shit.
I liked the land but still some issues I want to check into like the fact that there is no gas or grocery shops for miles...whats the attraction of people buying there??? And with all those poor people I would be afraid to build a place there...lol

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by HOSS
I`ve got a 220. I could get him in the torso from 1200 meters. Head shot guaranteed at 400!
PEYOTE` ..................damn cactus again.
I have a 416 Remington Magnum that will reach out and touch just about anything. $3.50 per round, but a nice stand off weapon.:cool: ;)

[Ducatista]

If I had rounds buzz'n by my head, I would report it to law enforcement, even if there is nothing they can do at the time. Start the documentation process on that crazy idiot. Man thats nuts......sounds like someone could have really been hurt or killed.
After reading these threads about all this Indian bull sh!t, I will never visit any of their casinos again, not even for lunch. Just like I wouldn't use Havasu Marina, they don't deserve my dollars. :mad: Screw'em!

[Outnumbered]

Originally posted by Ducatista
If I had rounds buzz'n by my head, I would report it to law enforcement, even if there is nothing they can do at the time. Start the documentation process on that crazy idiot. Man thats nuts......sounds like someone could have really been hurt or killed.
After reading these threads about all this Indian bull sh!t, I will never visit any of their casinos again, not even for lunch. Just like I wouldn't use Havasu Marina, they don't deserve my dollars. :mad: Screw'em!
I'd have to second that. I will never give these focks any of my money again.
OL

[Buff]

Hey Old Lavey and Ducatista - arn't you guys on the wrong forum with that logical and clear thinking bullshit? If a guy wants to publicaly announce that he is going to shoot someone that's his perogative - it seems to be working just fine for Robt. Blake. buf

[Outnumbered]

Originally posted by Buff
Hey Old Lavey and Ducatista - arn't you guys on the wrong forum with that logical and clear thinking bullshit? If a guy wants to publicaly announce that he is going to shoot someone that's his perogative - it seems to be working just fine for Robt. Blake. buf
What was I thinking:confused: :D :confused:
LOL

[NOTALENT]

hell no they are greedy bastards!! We should take there land again!! Damn Bastards. Authroitys would have probably said they could not do anything. And advise me to stay away. I wish I had a gun then...I would have shot his propane tank!

[Havasu Cig]

The local Sheriff's Department should have jurisdiction over the Rez, at least that is the way it works in San Diego County. If you should have problems again I would give them a call.

[boatnam2]

bigkatboat i was going to say the same thing when moneypitt came out with his info.if there is land and its safe and a good deal belive me someone would of already bought it.not many hidden treasures near the lake your going to find that a 1000 pepole have already looked into and are staying away from it.

[moneypit]

People have tried to buy the land before, but the owners were not selling anymore. Its only very recent that they started selling again.
If a puffed out indian started shooting at me, I would call the sheriff. He would haul that guy away.
I was out there the same day. My friend was with me and he's LAPD. Turned out he was packin' "roscoe". If that indian started blastin at us, he would have been cooled for sure.

[syke-o]

did the indian look anything like this???
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/197indian-med.jpg

[Jungle Boy]

Kill one for me. They are a pain in the ass in Canada too.

[AzDon]

Originally posted by bigkatboat
AZ. Don, tell us about Parker, why the town is such a s%$# hole! The "tribe" tries to control everything and they seem to be out of control. From what I hear, Tony Soprano has nothing on the "tribe". I won't invest a dime in that town, even though I wanted to live there (the keys) at one time (glad I really looked into the FACTS) I love the river, maybe more than the lake. I guess I have no real experience, dealing with "sovereigned nations" and I don't need to throw away money, finding out how things work. I do know that this is a large enough area, and plenty of it is "deeded by title" so, why deal with the (tribe) unknown?
The Crit reservation ends just past the top of the hill before the signal at old 95. Property north of that point (including the Keys) is "deeded" and is a safe investment.
You'll notice that along the river, there is nice, flat, undeveloped riverfront below this point ( only Badenoch's, a couple of houses and Bluewater) but nothing is being done with it because it's reservation. CRIT has been so historically "out-of-control in their zeal to "nationalize" (sieze) anything of value, that they only recently got fast-food franchises, and I'll bet that BIA had to make gaurantees to get them to build. CRIT shut the rail terminal that I work at for three weeks about ten years ago over royalties they claimed were due them for doing business on the reservation. They were wrong because rail-related is exempt, but a federal court had to be petitioned and we were not compensated. Crit police is used as a terrorist police force by the tribe and thankfully, they don't have police powers in Ca.

[bigkatboat]

Money, THE "TRIBE" is in no way going to listen to ANY SHERIFF! Walker Texas Ranger could not get through to these people! This is a CONTROL issue, not a money issue! The sheriff would be in a "sovereign nation" and have NO POWER! Only 'tribal police' would have control over legal/civil matters. Please make 'a move' on the "tribe", I have seen all of the latest "Sopranos" and I need a good diversion. HA HA HA !

[MudPumper]

Better yet get him with a bow and arrow. Just for the irony of it.:D

[Outnumbered]

Originally posted by syke-o
did the indian look anything like this???
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/197indian-med.jpg
Isn't that POKE-A-HOT-ASS:eek:
Sorry, I couldn't resist:D

[moneypit]

Im not sure what the law is.. but for the past several years I have seen the sheriff drive right by my place in havasu landing and pull peoples asses out of there. I have no reason to talk out my ass.....
They dont patrol in the reservation but they HAVE come in a and taken people out.

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by bigkatboat
Money, THE "TRIBE" is in no way going to listen to ANY SHERIFF! Walker Texas Ranger could not get through to these people! This is a CONTROL issue, not a money issue! The sheriff would be in a "sovereign nation" and have NO POWER! Only 'tribal police' would have control over legal/civil matters. Please make 'a move' on the "tribe", I have seen all of the latest "Sopranos" and I need a good diversion. HA HA HA !
I don't know what the laws are in Arizona, but in California the Sheriff's departments have jurisdiction over the reservations.
In San Diego County, and probably thoughout the State, the Sheriff's Department handles all major crimes that occur on the Reservations.
Our Deputies have been fighting with drunk indians on the Rez for years down here in SD. One of the Deputies shot and killed a drunk indian on the Pala Rez a few years ago when the indian pointed a shotgun at him.
;)

[NOTALENT]

thats what im talking about..We have to enforce the law upon them bastards..Thinking they can get away with anything...Bastards!!