They did it, the bastards..

[Racer277]

(March 29, 2006.)
From 10:30am -12:30pm Jeremy McGrath, Rick Johnson, Nathan Ramsey, and Andrew Short signed autographs in front of the Riverside County Administration Center in an attempt to show the County that as written this ordinance will restrict families from recreating together on their own property. Approximately two hundred parents and kids, many wearing the gear they ride in, attended the meeting and received autographed posters from some of the most respected names in the Industry.
The Off-Road Business Association (ORBA), the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA), EcoLogic, The McGrath Family and several residents have been working with the county for the past 18 months on this issue. Ed Moreland, Vice President of Governmental Relations for the AMA added “despite thoughtful comment from national, state, and local rider organizations, small businesses, the California Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division and literally hundreds of riders in attendance, the Supervisors voted almost unanimously to criminalize families who recreate together on private property while offering no real solutions for penalizing those who are truly riding illegally.”
“Between the noise ordinance, which is the most restrictive of it’s kind that I have ever heard of, along with the OHV ordinance, the Supervisors have banned OHV use for the average property owner,” stated Meg Grossglass of ORBA. According to Jack McGrath, “The noise ordinance makes it impossible to start our motorcycles and the OHV ordinance makes us criminals when we ride them.”
David Hubbard, attorney for Ecologic, stated, ”I am very disappointed in the actions taken by the board today and my clients are looking at every political and legal alternative available.”

[Dribble]

After reading the new Riverside County Ordinance I was shocked at how restrictive it is. This has to be fought in court. Placer county passed a noise ordinance in March 04 that basically says you can do whatever you want as long as the noise doesn't exceed 70db at the property line during the day and 55db at night. They won't enforce the ordinance unless someone complains.
Even though I am an 30 year dirt bike rider and AMA member, I supported the placer county oridinance, because I have idiot neighbors that buy each of their four kids new bikes every year or so (including slipper clutch KTM's and pocket bikes) and let them ride on their one acre as much as they want, at any time of day or evening. They have never taken them to one on the several OHV areas within 15 miles of here. When I tried to reach a compromise with them they basically told me to eat sh*t.
On a week night at 9:30 PM I went out and asked them to cool it and was told to get the fu*k off their property. I had no choice but to call the Sheriff. Thanks to the noise ordinance, I have finally been able to put a stop to it.
The fact is that this stupid Riverside ordinance was helped along by inconsiderate people like my asswipe neighbors. It seems to me that a simple noise limit (only taken if someone files a complaint) would work. It worked here.

[Freak]

After reading the new Riverside County Ordinance I was shocked at how restrictive it is. This has to be fought in court. Placer county passed a noise ordinance in March 04 that basically says you can do whatever you want as long as the noise doesn't exceed 70db at the property line during the day and 55db at night. They won't enforce the ordinance unless someone complains.
Even though I am an 30 year dirt bike rider and AMA member, I supported the placer county oridinance, because I have idiot neighbors that buy each of their four kids new bikes every year or so (including slipper clutch KTM's and pocket bikes) and let them ride on their one acre as much as they want, at any time of day or evening. They have never taken them to one on the several OHV areas within 15 miles of here. When I tried to reach a compromise with them they basically told me to eat sh*t.
On a week night at 9:30 PM I went out and asked them to cool it and was told to get the fu*k off their property. I had no choice but to call the Sheriff. Thanks to the noise ordinance, I have finally been able to put a stop to it.
The fact is that this stupid Riverside ordinance was helped along by inconsiderate people like my asswipe neighbors. It seems to me that a simple noise limit (only taken if someone files a complaint) would work. It worked here.
I'm with you on this. I have an asswipe neighbor also. Who has built a MX track on his property.
Now his kids bikes are not bad. But his 450 4stroke with an aftermarket pipe is loud as hell and his buds come over and ride as well. I can hear it in my house. It would not be a problem once in a while but he rides 4-6 days out of the week after work and weekends. THEN through in the dust. Forget having company over or watching the game on TV. It's ridiculous.
My plan is to purchase an old jet boat with open dry header's. WHEN EVER he has company I'm firing it up!

[wsuwrhr]

It feels good to live in "the land of the free, the home of the brave", that our fighting men and women are away from home defending other's freedoms.
Perhaps they should come back and fight for ours.
This issue is also a personal one for other reasons.
Brian

[Dave C]

well at least their kids are riding their bikes and staying out of trouble rather than skipping school and protesting for a bunch of illegals....

[Racer277]

well at least their kids are riding their bikes and staying out of trouble rather than skipping school and protesting for a bunch of illegals....
What do you bet the kids riding bikes will get more tickets than the ones skipping school. Hopefully the people assigned to enforce these restrictions will be more Andy and less Barney...

[SummitKarl]

So Sean, I am guessing your moving to Havasu this weekend :rolleyes:
where you can ride legally just two blocks from your garage door,
oh and where you can ride legally on the track in the back lot of the Sheriff's substation :)
yes that's right you can ride WITH THE FUZZ!!!!!!!! :cool:

[SHIFTY]

Sean Is Moving To Pine Flats. He Just Has To Buy A Jet Boat, And Lose A Few Teeth...

[Dave C]

sure the bike riding kids may get more tickets but will probably spend less time incarcerated for gang activity....
keeping the kids busy keeps em out of trouble... thats all I meant. :crossx:
maybe we need to adopt the ol skateboarding moniker.... "motorcycle riding is not a crime"
What do you bet the kids riding bikes will get more tickets than the ones skipping school. Hopefully the people assigned to enforce these restrictions will be more Andy and less Barney...

[Racer277]

:D :D :D

[WYRD]

sure the bike riding kids may get more tickets but will probably spend less time incarcerated for gang activity....
keeping the kids busy keeps em out of trouble... thats all I meant. :crossx:
maybe we need to adopt the ol skateboarding moniker.... "motorcycle riding is not a crime"
I think there was sarcasm in Seans comment Dave :crossx:

[SHIFTY]

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[Racer277]

Sorry if it came out wrong, I'm just bitter.
A week on a houseboat with The Great Shifty's girlfriend will cheer me up...

[Silver]

What do you bet the kids riding bikes will get more tickets than the ones skipping school. Hopefully the people assigned to enforce these restrictions will be more Andy and less Barney...
Yeah, really!
It's always the dumb asses that ruin it for everyone!
Common sense doesn't come easy!!!!!

[Dave C]

I know, same with mine. ;)
I'd rather pay the friggen ticket so the kids can continue with this activity :crossx:
This is a bunch of crap.. now you guys know what it feels like to live in Norcal. goverment always telling you what to do...
Meanwhile all the trouble makers gets to carry on under the guise of a cultural diversity excercise....BS. :yuk:
I think there was sarcasm in Seans comment Dave :crossx:

[wsuwrhr]

"motorcycle riding is not a crime"
It is now.

[SummitKarl]

Sorry if it came out wrong, I'm just bitter.
A week on a houseboat with The Great Shifty's girlfriend will cheer me up...
hey are you planning on hooking up the spa tonight.
I thought about it,,, you have a 220 box just below the elec pnl, wires are already there. we just need a 4 pin 30amp hubble water proof face plate, matching plug and about 15' 12/4 extension cord...
I will dig up my faucet adapter and we can fill it with nice soft water, followed by nice soft girls :rollside:

[Racer277]

hey are you planning on hooking up the spa tonight.
I thought about it,,, you have a 220 box just below the elec pnl, wires are already there. we just need a 4 pin 30amp hubble water proof face plate, matching plug and about 15' 12/4 extension cord...
I will dig up my faucet adapter and we can fill it with nice soft water, followed by nice soft girls :rollside:
You know I was looking into that. I need some more info when I get there.
I believe I need a 50amp connection.
Didn't know if 12/4 would do it. Not sure if it's 3pin or 4 (like the dryer thing)... Also a disconnect close to the Spa.
Home D sells a Spa specific Sub panel that can be used.
If it fits the bill, then I figure the wiring (or a ghetto ext cord...)
:)

[ratso]

Yeah, really!
It's always the dumb asses that ruin it for everyone!
Common sense doesn't come easy!!!!!
Amen...

[Mr. Pixilated]

I see both sides, but not so much the complaining side.....Yes motorcyles are noisey but deal with it...Every morning around 6:30am I have a guy that rips up the street...He rides a Harley easily with at least 95-98dbs...Do I go out and ban that guy from riding on the streets, NO......Just deal with it...Look at it this way...Family's together riding,playing sports, camping, etc are the back bone to our country and if we lose that what do we have, a bunch of lazy ass people never coming out of their homes and making complaints on the internet...Just my .02

[Mr. Pixilated]

hey are you planning on hooking up the spa tonight.
I thought about it,,, you have a 220 box just below the elec pnl, wires are already there. we just need a 4 pin 30amp hubble water proof face plate, matching plug and about 15' 12/4 extension cord...
I will dig up my faucet adapter and we can fill it with nice soft water, followed by nice soft girls :rollside:
Saturday Night for me.....

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

My plan is to purchase an old jet boat with open dry header's. WHEN EVER he has company I'm firing it up!
Thats what I would do!!! Disconnect the pump and fire it up. I do it to my nieghbors when they get too loud. If they get really nasty, I just turn the system on in my denali and blast all 8 10's. They resopond very quickly :p

[Freak]

I see both sides, but not so much the complaining side.....Yes motorcyles are noisey but deal with it...Every morning around 6:30am I have a guy that rips up the street...He rides a Harley easily with at least 95-98dbs...Do I go out and ban that guy from riding on the streets, NO......Just deal with it...Look at it this way...Family's together riding,playing sports, camping, etc are the back bone to our country and if we lose that what do we have, a bunch of lazy ass people never coming out of their homes and making complaints on the internet...Just my .02
So you hear him for what 2 minutes. Come on that is not what we are talking about. Try it for 4 hrs straight day after day after day. Maybe when your trying to have a birthday party for your kid in the yard breathing in the dust. Something like that. THEN talk about it.
If my neighbor had any consideration for anyone he might purchase a woods silencer but hey he might loose a few hp. No way to that right? If he did there would not be a problem. Just say off the track when it's dusty. I ride. I'm currently looking at a Husaberg FS450 for some supermoto fun. There are places to ride close by us. MX tracks. I know cause I go. A neighborhood is not one of them.
Ever consider the people around you?
I do. My yard bike is quiet. My track bike is loud. Simple. My couch is comfy also.

[pixilatedpussy]

So you hear him for what 2 minutes. Come on that is not what we are talking about. Try it for 4 hrs straight day after day after day. Maybe when your trying to have a birthday party for your kid in the yard breathing in the dust. Something like that. THEN talk about it.
If my neighbor had any consideration for anyone he might purchase a woods silencer but hey he might loose a few hp. No way to that right? If he did there would not be a problem. Just say off the track when it's dusty. I ride. I'm currently looking at a Husaberg FS450 for some supermoto fun. There are places to ride close by us. MX tracks. I know cause I go. A neighborhood is not one of them.
Ever consider the people around you?
I do. My yard bike is quiet. My track bike is loud. Simple.
We do...we have a house at the river with a track in the back yard! Doesnt bug me...close the doors! Sounds like some peeps need to get a life!

[pixilatedpussy]

It is now.
Only for the yuppy pretty boy wanna be riders, who cause all this drama! :mad:

[pixilatedpussy]

What do you bet the kids riding bikes will get more tickets than the ones skipping school. Hopefully the people assigned to enforce these restrictions will be more Andy and less Barney...
Totally!!! :crossx:

[SummitKarl]

So you hear him for what 2 minutes. Come on. Try it for 4 hrs straight day after day after day. Maybe when your trying to have a birthday party for your kid in the yard breathing in the dust. Something like that. THEN talk about it.
If my neighbor had any consideration for anyone he might purchase a woods silencer but hey he might loose a few hp. No way to that right? If he did there would not be a problem. I ride. I'm currently looking at a Husaberg FS450 for some supermoto fun. There are places to ride close by us. MX tracks. I know cause I go. A neighborhood is not one of them.
Ever consider the people around you?
I do. My yard bike is quiet. My track bike is loud. Simple.
same thing happened in San Diego in the early 80's
so many cool places to ride, but like most we thought bikes without mufflers were faster.....boy did technology prove us wrong :rolleyes:
the real problem was... THE FEW!!!! that had to ride to close to houses and new developments....guess who lost :rolleyes: ALL OF US!!! the whole
county got shut down, my own experience taught me it's all about riding with respect to your surroundings :cool:

[uclahater]

I...Look at it this way...Family's together riding,playing sports, camping, etc are the back bone to our country and if we lose that what do we have, a bunch of lazy ass people never coming out of their homes and making complaints on the internet...Just my .02
Couldnt have been said better :cool:

[SummitKarl]

You know I was looking into that. I need some more info when I get there.
I believe I need a 50amp connection.
Didn't know if 12/4 would do it. Not sure if it's 3pin or 4 (like the dryer thing)... Also a disconnect close to the Spa.
Home D sells a Spa specific Sub panel that can be used.
If it fits the bill, then I figure the wiring (or a ghetto ext cord...)
:)
hey your right I just looked at mine
10/4 and 40a Hubble twist lock.
I went with the removable plug, because at the time I was a part timer in Havasu, so when I left I could pull the plug and lock the cord away, one less thing that could go terribly wrong :wink:

[Freak]

We do...we have a house at the river with a track in the back yard! Doesnt bug me...close the doors! Sounds like some peeps need to get a life!
The friggin doors and windows are closed. Think I have not thought of that???
I get it now though. Your doing it.

[pixilatedpussy]

The friggin doors and windows are closed. Think I have not thought of that???
I get it now though. Your doing it.
Yes I am. Because it is my property & I woukd rather my kids ride on my property...( a safe place) than screwin off somewhere else! So my boys will keep on riding! At least I know they are safe!

[Freak]

same thing happened in San Diego in the early 80's
so many cool places to ride, but like most we thought bikes without mufflers were faster.....boy did technology prove us wrong :rolleyes:
the real problem was... THE FEW!!!! that had to ride to close to houses and new developments....guess who lost :rolleyes: ALL OF US!!! the whole
county got shut down, my own experience taught me it's all about riding with respect to your surroundings :cool:
Some one with a brain. Thank god. The track is a better place to ride unless your scared of some competition anyway but what do I know I'm a couch potato yuppie at the track with my CRF450.... :rolleyes:

[Freak]

Yes I am. Because it is my property & I woukd rather my kids ride on my property...( a safe place) than screwin off somewhere else! So my boys will keep on riding! At least I know they are safe!
How about the track? Maybe they will get good and go pro. Make some serious coin? You gotta get off the couch to take them though. :)
If you read what I said I donÂ’t have a problem with my neighbors kids bikes. It's the 109db adult bikes running for hours. Hell he could go with me!
Consider the people around you. Your in denial.

[pixilatedpussy]

Some one with a brain. Thank god. The track is a better place to ride unless your scared of some competition anyway but what do I know I'm a couch potato yuppie at the track with my CRF450.... :rolleyes:
Oh boy! You really dont know what family you are talking to here. Hell I will race you! Just for shits & giggles! Good god....You are cracking me up. LOL! :p :220v:

[SummitKarl]

Oh boy! You really dont know what family you are talking to here. Hell I will race you! Just for shits & giggles! Good god....You are cracking me up. LOL! :p :220v:
MEDS............PLEASE :wink: :)

[Freak]

MEDS............PLEASE :wink: :)
no kidding...
anytime...bring it on. See you in the A class race..................if your not scared....dont be a girl............ :)

[pixilatedpussy]

MEDS............PLEASE :wink: :)
Rotflmfao!
Oh you have your azz beating this weekend! Hee hee! :p See you tomorrow cutie! Get my jacuzzi ready! :rollside:

[pixilatedpussy]

Couldnt have been said better :cool:
Look out...Im starting to like you. :p

[pixilatedpussy]

no kidding...
anytime...bring it on. See you in the A class race..................if your not scared....dont be a girl............ :)
Rotf!! You are killing me! Nice one !!! :p

[uclahater]

Look out...Im starting to like you. :p
I've always liked you. :p :p :p

[Freak]

Rotf!! You are killing me! Nice one !!! :p
serious - MX is big money now. You should get your young'ins into it. If I was a kid I would.

[Mr. Pixilated]

Couldnt have been said better :cool:
Thanks man....Keep it open...

[pixilatedpussy]

serious - MX is big money now. You should get your young'ins into it. If I was a kid I would.
They like too many other things. Soccer, baseball & MX. The racing took so much time. They are good too!!! :p

[460 jus getn it]

dirt bikes are gay....................carry on..............................................

[Freak]

They like too many other things. Soccer, baseball & MX. The racing took so much time. They are good too!!! :p
Gotta pick one thing and focus. Focus for the coin. $$$$$

[pixilatedpussy]

I've always liked you. :p :p :p
Really??? Well then...beer is on me! :p See ya on the water.

[pixilatedpussy]

dirt bikes are gay....................carry on..............................................
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[pixilatedpussy]

Gotta pick one thing and focus. Focus for the coin. $$$$$
I think Soccer is the focus right now. I am thinking scholarship. :p

[460 jus getn it]

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
:D :D :D :D :D just thought i would stop in and see whats up.......hey my take is fun is fun. if it gives kids something to do then so be it. to many kids these days sit at home and play playstation etc. the fact that some parents get there kids involved in stuff says alot.

[Freak]

I think Soccer is the focus right now. I am thinking scholarship. :p
That's cool.
Ok the fight is over. We resolved nothing. Typical for the web. Check you later.

[76ANTHONY]

I think Soccer is the focus right now. I am thinking scholarship. :p
soccers gay, sell them little ones and get the money :crossx: dirt bikes are gay :p :)

[pixilatedpussy]

:D :D :D :D :D just thought i would stop in and see whats up.......hey my take is fun is fun. if it gives kids something to do then so be it. to many kids these days sit at home and play playstation etc. the fact that some parents get there kids involved in stuff says alot.
I agree! Thanks sweetie !!! Have agood weekend! Get that boat finished so I can go for a ride! :cool:

[pixilatedpussy]

soccers gay, sell them little ones and get the money :crossx: dirt bikes are gay :p :)
LMAO! You are killing me! GOLFCARTS ARE FOR WUSSIES! :rollside:

[460 jus getn it]

I agree! Thanks sweetie !!! Have agood weekend! Get that boat finished so I can go for a ride! :cool:
thongs manditory, tops optional............opps did i say that out loud..........have a good day. im going back home nothing to see here...

[76ANTHONY]

LMAO! You are killing me! GOLFCARTS ARE FOR WUSSIES! :rollside:
watch what you say, djunkie will kick your butt.. :)

[460 jus getn it]

LMAO! You are killing me! GOLFCARTS ARE FOR WUSSIES! :rollside:
so are 1980 leather jackets with a firebird patch on the sleeve...............

[pixilatedpussy]

thongs manditory, tops optional............opps did i say that out loud..........have a good day. im going back home nothing to see here...
Sounds like something my husband would say! :p

[pixilatedpussy]

watch what you say, djunkie will kick your butt.. :)
:crossx:

[pixilatedpussy]

so are 1980 leather jackets with a firebird patch on the sleeve...............
:crossx: :rollside: :crossx: :rollside: Now that was funny!

[460 jus getn it]

Sounds like something my husband would say! :p
:D :D :D :D :D

[Mr. Pixilated]

soccers gay, sell them little ones and get the money :crossx: dirt bikes are gay :p :)
How bout I sell you for mexican pesco's Biatch....I can't wait to see you and give you a azz woopen.... :yuk:

[76ANTHONY]

How bout I sell you for mexican pesco's Biatch....I can't wait to see you and give you a azz woopen.... :yuk:
you dont have time anymore to kick my azz, cause you need to step up and spend time with the kids....the 22nd i'll laying down the whoopass :crossx:

[Mr. Pixilated]

you dont have time anymore to kick my azz, cause you need to step up and spend time with the kids....the 22nd i'll laying down the whoopass :crossx:
Silly, lilly...You need to be gettin now before I ride my CRF450 down there and ride all over your AZZ...LMAO....

[76ANTHONY]

Silly, lilly...You need to be gettin now before I ride my CRF450 down there and ride all over your AZZ...LMAO....
i'll run your ass over with my gay ass golfcart :crossx: :) wearing my seatbelt of course :rollside:

[Ziggy]

Common courtesy between people and neighbors is just about extinct.
Its just focking Crazy....
"We the people"= whatever a half retired elected counsel decides. :rolleyes:
.
Why the hell are noise ordinances not enforced on Harleys and other loud vehicle on the street?? Total double standard IMO. Not only are they loud as hell but they also cause alarms to go off long after they've moved on, doubling the noise they already created....... :mad: :crossx: :mad:

[Dribble]

We do...we have a house at the river with a track in the back yard! Doesnt bug me...close the doors! Sounds like some peeps need to get a life!
You wouldn't feel that way if you tried to sit down for Easter or Thanksgiving dinner with your elderly parents and had to listen to a bunch of drunk hooligans riding up and down outside of your dining room until well after dark. I tried to get them to agree to limit the riding to after school and weekend afternoons and they told me to go to hell. The idiot also drilled the exhaust restrictor out on the kid's KLX 110 because he thought it would give it more power (to ride around in circles in second gear with).
Now I have the noise oridinace on my side and guess what; They've suddenly become much more considerate. And here's a thought: How much skill are kids developing riding around in circles on a flat piece of ground.
Answer: NONE. Its just a diversion. No different than an Xbox.
My neighbors kids have now been riding for five years and still ride like total squids. The Riverside county oridinance sucks bigtime, but blame the rude inconsiderate people that brought this onto everyone.

[Racer277]

Noise ordinance is one thing.
As was mentioned, measure noise at the property line. There are current laws, enforce those.
But the OHV ban on your own land is horse shit. That means electric too?
Not alot left for kids to do but **** shit up...

[Dribble]

When they drafted the Placer County ordinance they had OVH users on the citizens committee. All interests were represented and a fair compromise was worked out. What seems ridiculous about Riverside is that you can get in trouble riding on your own property even if it is miles from anywhere and nobody complains.
Who are the brainiacs that came up with that one???

[Racer277]

When they drafted the Placer County ordinance they had OVH users on the citizens committee. All interests were represented and a fair compromise was worked out. What seems ridiculous about Riverside is that you can get in trouble riding on your own property even if it is miles from anywhere and nobody complains.
Who are the brainiacs that came up with that one???
Yeah, that's my beef.
Noise and dust should be enforceable violations (they are here if you can get a cop that gif's). But to say you can't ride a bike on your own land...
That bugs.