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spectratoad
04-14-2004, 08:26 AM
Seems legit but it is still an interesting read.
Allah or Jesus?
by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session
there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic,
Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The
Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a
video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and
clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a
command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's
the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he
replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of
Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so
they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to
that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the
cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope
John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and
your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask
you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me
in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I
am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification'
training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the
Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.
I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the
liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this
will be widely publicized.
---This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes,
is a well known leader in prison ministry.

Dave C
04-14-2004, 08:45 AM
Some clerics promise 72 virgins if you kill the infidel.
But I don't think they ever said those 72 virgins were in fact female.
moral of the story, read the fine print.:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

hoolign
04-14-2004, 08:45 AM
That should be posted at every border crossing, airline terminal, immagration hearing, and on every desk at any goverment office, and scribed on every military weapon!
****in bullshit!! Then they want to come here and practice their religion :mad:

AdrenelineOD
04-14-2004, 08:51 AM
Fu@# Allah Y`all!!:D

spectratoad
04-14-2004, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by hoolign
That should be posted at every border crossing, airline terminal, immagration hearing, and on every desk at any goverment office, and scribed on every military weapon!
****in bullshit!! Then they want to come here and practice their religion :mad:
And have their DL pictures taken with their face covered.

welk2party
04-14-2004, 08:56 AM
At least the Imam did not try and spin it. He actually was honest.
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superdave013
04-14-2004, 09:04 AM
You should read a book titled The Terrorist Hunter
It really gives you a good insight to those ****ers. (need to know as much as you can about the people trying to kill you)
It also ties this whole 9-11 hearings together.

AdrenelineOD
04-14-2004, 09:12 AM
Is the terrist hunter easy to find . sounds cool!

carbonmarine
04-14-2004, 09:15 AM
You can believe in this shit , but the true hipocracy comes out when the Haitians or other South & Latin Americans want to do Santa Ria sacrifices .... Awe.... PETA and The LIBERAL WHACKOS go fugg'in APE SHIT !!!!
Rick32

repo man
04-14-2004, 09:19 AM
it's time for genocide:mad:

hoolign
04-14-2004, 09:22 AM
All the bleeding hearts who read that will say you need to respect their rights,their beliefs, treat them as equals, and show them kindness an compassion, say what you feel, and your labeled racist,your predjudice,
I say if you want to come here,fine leave your bullshit at the door! take the rag off your face,lets see who you are! they should be photograghed,
logged,and monitored,simply because of their religious ideals.They should earn the rights that we have over here,work for your food,your education,
if you don't want to conform..get the **** out!

superdave013
04-14-2004, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by AdrenelineOD
Is the terrist hunter easy to find . sounds cool!
I got it at an Airport bookstore. It's not cool really, it's pretty scary. Everyone should still read it though.

AdrenelineOD
04-14-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by superdave013
I got it at an Airport bookstore. It's not cool really, it's pretty scary. Everyone should still read it though. I just think that the fact its availibe is cool. I must read it! I saw somthing a three years ago that made me scared of terrist .

HOSS
04-14-2004, 11:26 AM
I`ll say it again,,,,,,**** ALLAH!:mad:

Dr. Eagle
04-14-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by HOSS
I`ll say it again,,,,,,**** ALLAH!:mad:
And each and every one of his followers........:rolleyes:

OGShocker
04-14-2004, 11:31 AM
Let's see..... What side of this issue am I on?

Dribble
04-14-2004, 12:56 PM
This thing reaked of urban legend. I found this at http://urbanlegends.about.com/index.htm
Comments: The above text, circulating via email since September 2003, was written by Rick Mathes, executive director of Mission Gate Prison Ministry in Chesterfield, Missouri. In subsequent statements on the ministry's Website, Mathes affirmed that the incident took place exactly as described.
However, a different version of events was reported in an article by Greg Kearney of the Lee News Service, in which a spokesperson for the Missouri Department of Corrections, which sponsored the training session, stated that the "imam" Mathes refers to above was a prison inmate and ordinary Muslim, not a trained cleric, and that although the inmate did answer various questions about his faith to the best of his ability, the issues of jihad and violence against non-believers were neither raised nor discussed during the exchange.
It is therefore a case of Mathes' word against the prison official's, unfortunately. I have not been able to find public statements by anyone else in a position to confirm the facts.
As to the substance of the alleged debate — whether or not it is a core tenet of Islam that believers must wage holy war against non-believers wherever they are found — there is fierce disagreement on that issue even among acknowledged experts in Muslim culture and theology, so I will not attempt to defend one side or the other in this brief commentary. See the resources below for further reading.