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ahhell
07-09-2004, 03:30 PM
Made in Mexico
Shortly after reading the following e-mail content, I happened to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep.... Made in Mexico"
Check some of your Heinz products. "Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.
However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush. As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.
That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. 80% of Heinz products are made overseas. I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries. I also Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States. Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America? Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.

Excessive Force
07-09-2004, 03:31 PM
pretty soon this will be the U.S.S.A

Debbolas
07-09-2004, 03:32 PM
Good Point!!!:D

YW82DRM
07-09-2004, 03:32 PM
I will never eat Heinz again!

Excessive Force
07-09-2004, 03:36 PM
only on fries, hotdogs and hamburgers other than that heinz can kiss my ass!

ROZ
07-09-2004, 03:37 PM
Hecho en Mexico ;)

MagicMtnDan
07-09-2004, 03:47 PM
Kerry and Edwards are two of the wealthiest politicians in this country. And all they want to do is increase taxes to people who work and earn more than middle income earners.
They barely pay taxes themselves! His friggin' wife paid about as much tax as you and your wife did last year. And she's worth just less than a BILLION dollars!
Yeah, I want the most liberal senator in the US and the 5th most liberal senator in the US, who is also one of the biggest bottom-feeding, scum-sucking, trial lawyers alive to run this country for us. Sure I do :mad: NOT!
Now the two of them are making speeches about "two Americas" (the left wing liberal self-hating America and the "other America") saying how no kid should go to bed hungry. Hey ass-holes, the only kids going to bed hungry in this country are the ones who were born out of wedlock and have "parents" who are doing drugs, don't work and never come home. If you liberal politicians don't want hungry kids (a) stop supporting their parents so they don't have to work and (b) feed 'em yourselves! You've got enough money to do it!!! :mad:

eliminatedsprinter
07-09-2004, 03:53 PM
Kerry's answer to the problem of what he calls "Benidict Arnold" owners and CEO's, who take their businesses overseas, is to make one First Lady.

Excessive Force
07-09-2004, 04:20 PM
put a fork in us, we're done

Debbolas
07-09-2004, 06:15 PM
Why are none of the Democrats responding to this thread?!?;)

Debbolas
07-09-2004, 06:25 PM
Well, lets all get out there and vote!:D

AzDon
07-09-2004, 06:26 PM
I guess you all aren't aware that the Heinz Company management are Republicans who have contributed heavily to the Bush campaign and not a dime to Kerry's. Mr Kerry's wife owns a substantial chuck of stock in the Heinz Co. but is not involved in running it. I agree that it is a disgrace that Heinz has exported jobs while still fully expecting access to the U.S. market....F-em! I've been sending french fries back for substitution at any restaurant that can't bring me a different brand of ketchup..... At least I know that the wasted potatoes are grown here!
THERE---- YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER!!! FEEL BETTER NOW??!!

ahhell
07-09-2004, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by ShockwaveBob
And, lest we forget, Democrats outvoted Republicans in CA in the 2000 election by a whopping 1.3 million votes. Fact is, on the board, or just about anywhere else you go in California, Democrats outnumber Republicans by a wide margin. Frankly, I'd be suprised if this coming election is as close as 2000.
thats because the overwhelming majority of cali's is, shall i say, WELFARE RECIPIENTS...take away the gimme factor and put some butts to work and it's a cry of foul, damn commicrats:yuk:

GlastronGuy
07-09-2004, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by ShockwaveBob
Democrats tend not to respond to threads on internet forums because they are simply overwhelmed by the negative responses they receive. Luckily, we still vote in closed booths. ;)
Closed booths, closed minds. Coincidence?

Dr. Eagle
07-09-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by ShockwaveBob
And, lest we forget, Democrats outvoted Republicans in CA in the 2000 election by a whopping 1.3 million votes. Fact is, on the board, or just about anywhere else you go in California, Democrats outnumber Republicans by a wide margin. Frankly, I'd be suprised if this coming election is as close as 2000.
Lest we forget that is one of the reasons I hate where this state has gone....... LEFT...
I was born and raised here 4th generation unlike most of the other effs that are here now... and they turn the effing place into a GD welfare state, the Peoples Republic of California. Where GOVERNMENT is more important than the PEOPLE!!!!!

lilrick
07-09-2004, 08:54 PM
politics suck...I don't feel that i can trust any of those politicians. Howard Stern is my president!!!!!!!!

Dr. Eagle
07-09-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by lilrick
politics suck...I don't feel that i can trust any of those politicians. Howard Stern is my president!!!!!!!!
Howard Stern is an idiot... I stopped listening to him when he got the "wah wah woe is me... the gov is picking on me" shit going.

Boozer
07-09-2004, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
I guess you all aren't aware that the Heinz Company management are Republicans who have contributed heavily to the Bush campaign and not a dime to Kerry's. Mr Kerry's wife owns a substantial chuck of stock in the Heinz Co. but is not involved in running it. I agree that it is a disgrace that Heinz has exported jobs while still fully expecting access to the U.S. market....F-em! I've been sending french fries back for substitution at any restaurant that can't bring me a different brand of ketchup..... At least I know that the wasted potatoes are grown here!
THERE---- YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER!!! FEEL BETTER NOW??!!
Yet Mrs. Kerry continues her ownership of a "substantial" substantial in this casin meaning one of if not the largest share holers of the corporation. Ownership of a company that not only supports but practices and promotes activities that her husbands campaign is trying to prevent. How does that make any sense?
That type of act makes about as much sense as me knowingly hiring a convicted child molester to watch my kids while I go out and protest that convicted child molesters should be executed.

Boozer
07-09-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by ShockwaveBob
You're going to call a liberal closed minded? That's rich.
I kind of agree with this. Liberals are close minded to the idea of capitolism but when it comes to other things like gay marriage, abortion, and so on. Liberals are fully supportive. Which in a lot of ways kind of contradicts the liberal vs conservative view. The conservative wants the government involved in as little as possible yet asks uncle sam to prohibit women from having the right to abort or people from having same sex marriages. They want uncle sam to help to the point of changing the constitution. Where as liberals support free minds and the people having the right to do what they want as long as it isnt hurting anyone else while taxing the living the shit out of everyone so you're gay boyfriend who makes 550K a year can only bring home 62K of that because everyone else who does work or works at mcdonalds is entitiles to living in a nice house regardless of their contribution to society.

Dr. Eagle
07-09-2004, 09:20 PM
There's a lot of duplicity in both parties.
I hate government, and I think they have no business in the bedroom, or anywhere else in my personal shiznit. I really dislike a lot of what BOTH parties offer, but my choice is based on the compromises I am most comfortable making.
I am more comfortable with a party that SAYS they want smaller government... even though that has not proven to be true. I am supportive of national defense... above all else.
I am not supportive of socialistic adventures, benefits that are transfers of wealth from one part of the population to another... which the democrats seem to.
Both parties lie, spin, color and cheat.... it is up to the voter to sort it all out.
Both parties are closed minded in different ways.

058
07-09-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by ahhell
Made in Mexico
Shortly after reading the following e-mail content, I happened to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep.... Made in Mexico"
Check some of your Heinz products. "Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.
However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush. As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.
That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. 80% of Heinz products are made overseas. I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries. I also Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States. Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America? Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor. I wonder if all those foreign Heinz plants pay a living wage to all their workers? What say you, Terezzzzza????:confused: :confused:

Rexone
07-10-2004, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
I've been sending french fries back for substitution at any restaurant that can't bring me a different brand of ketchup.....
That's some funny s**t right there Don.
Funny how Mrs Kerry's link to Heinz is no big deal cause she doesn't run the business (but has no problem whatsoever in collecting the profits from this offshore oriented business, living on them and sharing them with her husband the honorable John Kerry). :rolleyes:
If Mrs Bush was in the same position owning Heinz stock you'd be all over GW like a wet sheet.
Thanks again for the laugh... :D

mickeyfinn
07-10-2004, 04:43 AM
I wonder if everyone who says they will never eat Heinz again are going to apply that thinking to everything they purchase? If so I guess they will never buy a new house, Most of them were constructed with labor that was "made in mexico" same for almost all commercial construction etc. For some reason people think it is worse for the product to be made in another country and sold here but it is okay for the product to be made here with labor that isn't paying taxes etc. I agree that we should buy american but don't try to tell me that you are actually willing to do without something just because it isn't made here. Good idea but I call "Bullshit"

framer1
07-10-2004, 04:58 AM
Here a thought, if a Toyata is made in the USA is it an american product or a Japanese product? If you buy one I would think your helping an American worker. These corp or so interwined with each other i'm not sure who your buying from.

AzDon
07-10-2004, 08:34 AM
Personally-
I believe that if you buy a new car that either has a foreign nameplate or is made in another country, that you are contributing to the economic demise of this country. As for Chrysler, I'm not sure what to think, but they probably belong in this category as well.
Any segment of the auto purchase that goes to a foreign country loses the chance to become part of an American paycheck and participate in the US consumer economy.
In that other thread, somebody brought up American car design and quality as if it is/was the blue-collar auto worker's fault and deplored that they made/make a living wage. I believe that it's management that designs the products and establishes the culture and quality control of the build. I'll agree that a lot of the fit and finish, even today, isn't that great. Most I've seen, though, are design deficiencies that are not unique to American cars. There's been a race to mediocrity in the auto biz sice the first Honda Civics arrived in the mid 70's. Remember the 76-80 Honda Civics? They were everywhere, a very popular bestseller, yet I can't remember the last time I saw one. And mid-seventies chevy trucks?... Most people have the opportunity to see at least five of them a day!!

AzDon
07-10-2004, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Rexone
That's some funny s**t right there Don.
Funny how Mrs Kerry's link to Heinz is no big deal cause she doesn't run the business (but has no problem whatsoever in collecting the profits from this offshore oriented business, living on them and sharing them with her husband the honorable John Kerry). :rolleyes:
If Mrs Bush was in the same position owning Heinz stock you'd be all over GW like a wet sheet.
Thanks again for the laugh... :D
If I owned 5% of Rex Marine, would I be responsible when you did the Republican thing and moved your manufacturing to Mexico? (maybe you already have!)
Even if Mrs. Kerry sold ALL her stock in Heinz, I don't believe that Republicans will ever stop playing this word association!

AZKC
07-10-2004, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by Debbolas
Why are none of the Democrats responding to this thread?!?;)
Like that will happen, there's only 2 of us on the board and I'm still recovering from the last time I said anything :smilespi: :smilespi: :D

JustDawn
07-10-2004, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
Kerry and Edwards are two of the wealthiest politicians in this country. And all they want to do is increase taxes to people who work and earn more than middle income earners.
They barely pay taxes themselves! His friggin' wife paid about as much tax as you and your wife did last year. And she's worth just less than a BILLION dollars!
Yeah, I want the most liberal senator in the US and the 5th most liberal senator in the US, who is also one of the biggest bottom-feeding, scum-sucking, trial lawyers alive to run this country for us. Sure I do :mad: NOT!
Now the two of them are making speeches about "two Americas" (the left wing liberal self-hating America and the "other America") saying how no kid should go to bed hungry. Hey ass-holes, the only kids going to bed hungry in this country are the ones who were born out of wedlock and have "parents" who are doing drugs, don't work and never come home. If you liberal politicians don't want hungry kids (a) stop supporting their parents so they don't have to work and (b) feed 'em yourselves! You've got enough money to do it!!! :mad:
I completely agree and couldn't have said it better my self. Those two, in my opinion, are without an ounce of integrity.

HighRoller
07-10-2004, 09:07 AM
None of the politicians in Washington have integrity. That's how they got where they are! If you have any integrity you'll never get anywhere because you have to sell your soul just to get in the gate! Even GW is trying to seel the American Dream in exchange for the Mexican vote. He probably knows its wrong deep down, but he has to walk the Republican party line to get their money, and the Republicans are racing the Dems to see who can give away more of the country to illegals to get their votes when they become legal.

ahhell
07-10-2004, 02:17 PM
by azdon
Personally-
I believe that if you buy a new car that either has a foreign nameplate or is made in another country, that you are contributing to the economic demise of this country.
its hard to tell how to buy American, my GMC p/u is made in Canada.

DryHeatOnly
07-10-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by ahhell
by azdon
Personally-
I believe that if you buy a new car that either has a foreign nameplate or is made in another country, that you are contributing to the economic demise of this country.
its hard to tell how to buy American, my GMC p/u is made in Canada.
What about all the guys who have the Isuzu Duramax diesels in their Chebby's?
Bush/Cheney '04 :D

Debbolas
07-10-2004, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by AZKC
Like that will happen, there's only 2 of us on the board and I'm still recovering from the last time I said anything :smilespi: :smilespi: :D
You are a wise wise man.....
enough of this politics b u l l s h i t
Lets talk about boats, show us your boat pics, prop pics, skeg/skag pics, dog pics, old lady pics. old man pics......
something we all wont fight about!
:D

ahhell
07-10-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Debbolas
You are a wise wise man.....
enough of this politics b u l l s h i t
Lets talk about boats, show us your boat pics, prop pics, skeg/skag pics, dog pics, old lady pics. old man pics......
something we all wont fight about!
:D
were not fightin' were debateing:cool:

Rexone
07-10-2004, 03:02 PM
It would be "very" difficult to buy most any consumer product and not have products from abroad in it. All cars have many many foreign made components, applicances, computers.... just because it says made in USA on it doesn't mean all the internal components are US made, Chevy, Ford, you name it, there's foriegn stuff in there, and lots of it.
Conversely the same holds true in other countries... US stuff in their products.
I'll use AutoMeter gauges as an example.. Made in USA right on the box and dial. But there are parts inside that come from taiwan and other far east destinations. This is fact. Right or wrong its fact.
And Don yes if you owned 5% of Rex Marine and we manufactured stuff in Mexico then you would be part of the problem because "you chose" to participate in the profits from that endeavour and not clense yourself of the Mexican evil profits you would be receiving by selling your 5%. Just like Mrs Kerry. If the Kerrys are so honorable by your standards of USA exclusivity, why have they not sold their Heinz stock and purchased stock in some company that sells exclusivily US products?
There are probably 2 answers to that question. The first being loss of profit. The second being they probably couldn't find such a company that had no international connection whatsoever if they even wanted to to invest that amount of money in. Not that they would ever get to #2.

Jordy
07-11-2004, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
As for Chrysler, I'm not sure what to think, but they probably belong in this category as well.
Chrysler is now German owned i(dahmler chrysler) f it makes ya feel any better. They also bought Detroit Diesel (and they're a pain in the ass to deal with) from Roger Penske, among some of the more interesting purchases they've made.

Jordy
07-11-2004, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
Even if Mrs. Kerry sold ALL her stock in Heinz, I don't believe that Republicans will ever stop playing this word association!
How the hell is it "word association" when her name is on the phuckin' bottle and the checks go into her account? You find more ways to smoke screen anything credible and belivable that comes up after all the bullshit you spew... :rolleyes:
And it trickles right down to your ass puppet of a 15 year old son with the oh so clever name of Over 18. I think it's about time to get him kicked off the boards and his IP blocked.

HighRoller
07-11-2004, 02:12 AM
I can understand why the DEMS are so reluctant to give MRS Heinz the boot. Without her, John Kerry is broke! He had a net worth of negative 140K before he married her. During his 20+ years in the senate earning over 100K per year, he never had a net worth of more than 54K!!!!! He struck gold when he stuck his unit in that!!!

AzDon
07-11-2004, 09:00 AM
Buying a piece of stock is like buying a new car. While it may say Chevrolet all over it and that requires the management to provide courteous service to you, your purchase does not allow you to dictate the business decisions of GM.
While a share of stock is called a piece of ownership in a company, it is really just a product...A debt that is issued that doesn't require repayment. After it's initial sale, it's really just a piece of confidence in that company whose performance dictates the borrowing power of that company. In a banckruptcy, there usually isn't any assets left for the shareholders after the "secured" creditors are paid. If a shareholder holds or controls 51% of the stock then he holds the majority in the election of all board members who hire the management and therefore runs the company.
I believe that if Mrs. Kerry owned or controlled 51% of Heinz stock, then Heinz would not be a contributor to Bush's campaign but would contribute to Kerry's. I also believe that if Mrs. Kerry actually controlled Heinz, that they wouldn't be one of the "Benedict Arnold" companies that her husband criticizes. I don't see any hipocracy or contradiction here since Heinz (the company) is clearly Republican in their ideology and political support. Is Heinz (the company) an embarrasment to Mrs. Kerry? Only because she doesn't own enough of it to run it!

058
07-11-2004, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
Buying a piece of stock is like buying a new car. While it may say Chevrolet all over it and that requires the management to provide courteous service to you, your purchase does not allow you to dictate the business decisions of GM.
While a share of stock is called a piece of ownership in a company, it is really just a product...A debt that is issued that doesn't require repayment. After it's initial sale, it's really just a piece of confidence in that company whose performance dictates the borrowing power of that company. In a banckruptcy, there usually isn't any assets left for the shareholders after the "secured" creditors are paid. If a shareholder holds or controls 51% of the stock then he holds the majority in the election of all board members who hire the management and therefore runs the company.
I believe that if Mrs. Kerry owned or controlled 51% of Heinz stock, then Heinz would not be a contributor to Bush's campaign but would contribute to Kerry's. I also believe that if Mrs. Kerry actually controlled Heinz, that they wouldn't be one of the "Benedict Arnold" companies that her husband criticizes. I don't see any hipocracy or contradiction here since Heinz (the company) is clearly Republican in their ideology and political support. Is Heinz (the company) an embarrasment to Mrs. Kerry? Only because she doesn't own enough of it to run it! If what you say is true, Don then why do libs and Demos bash Cheney for his past connection with Halliburton? You guys can't have it both ways. On stocks: ALL stock holders have the right to vote on business decisions, if you owned any stock at all you would or should know this. Ever see a company's annual report?

AZKC
07-11-2004, 09:30 AM
We were at Applebee's yesterday and the Heinz ketchup bottle said "Made In USA":)

058
07-11-2004, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by AZKC
We were at Applebee's yesterday and the Heinz ketchup bottle said "Made In USA":) It was refering to the bottle, not the content:D

AzDon
07-11-2004, 10:11 AM
That's easy- Cheney was hired at Haliburton because of his past, and assumed future influence at the highest reaches of national politics. It was a high-income parking place for a bureaucrat that had the potential to influence future government contracts. While I believe that Cheney is legally divested of all ownership interest in Haliburton, he is still recieving deferred compensation from them and it DOES appear to be in his best interest to see that Haliburton does well. I'm not convinced that there would have been other bidders for the contracts Haliburton recieved, I believe that it IS the administration's duty to vigorously pursue the "overcharge" claims against Haliburton instead of protecting them. I also believe that this administration has failed their obligation to vigorously pursue the energy fraud perpetrated on the west by Enron. Instead they express appreciation for Ken Lay's friendship and financial support by allowing Enron and friends to get away with raping western consumers. Smart people know which "word associations" matter and which ones don't
"Draft Dodger" doesn't have the same relevance to the subject of a "peacetime president" that "Deserter" has when discussing a self-admitted "War president".
The Monica and Whitewater mini-scandals had no relevance to the job Mr Clinton did running the country and a majority of voters got that what he wanted to do with the office was to do good for ordinary people. Kerry is having trouble presenting any vision whatsoever and every vote for him is merely a referrendum on Bush!

058
07-11-2004, 10:49 AM
So, In other words you expect all politicans should have no private business dealings in their past? We should have career politicans like Klintoon, Kerry and a host of other liberal democrats? Yeah, those are the kind of people that are in touch with the poor and working class. They know what its like to live paycheck to paycheck, they really know what its like to struggle to make the months rent or mortgage payment, they know what its like to go to the grocery store each week. Yeah, those are the people I want to represent me. I think the only time Kerry struggled to make the rent was when he was between wives. He sure didn't have a pot to piss in on his own. Typical Democrat....Uses someone else's money.

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
That's easy- Cheney was hired at Haliburton because of his past, and assumed future influence at the highest reaches of national politics. It was a high-income parking place for a bureaucrat that had the potential to influence future government contracts. While I believe that Cheney is legally divested of all ownership interest in Haliburton, he is still recieving deferred compensation from them and it DOES appear to be in his best interest to see that Haliburton does well. I'm not convinced that there would have been other bidders for the contracts Haliburton recieved, I believe that it IS the administration's duty to vigorously pursue the "overcharge" claims against Haliburton instead of protecting them. I also believe that this administration has failed their obligation to vigorously pursue the energy fraud perpetrated on the west by Enron. Instead they express appreciation for Ken Lay's friendship and financial support by allowing Enron and friends to get away with raping western consumers. Smart people know which "word associations" matter and which ones don't
"Draft Dodger" doesn't have the same relevance to the subject of a "peacetime president" that "Deserter" has when discussing a self-admitted "War president".
The Monica and Whitewater mini-scandals had no relevance to the job Mr Clinton did running the country and a majority of voters got that what he wanted to do with the office was to do good for ordinary people. Kerry is having trouble presenting any vision whatsoever and every vote for him is merely a referrendum on Bush!
Whatever... we will never agree... just drop it.

Rexone
07-11-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
Buying a piece of stock is like buying a new car. While it may say Chevrolet all over it and that requires the management to provide courteous service to you, your purchase does not allow you to dictate the business decisions of GM.
While a share of stock is called a piece of ownership in a company, it is really just a product...A debt that is issued that doesn't require repayment. After it's initial sale, it's really just a piece of confidence in that company whose performance dictates the borrowing power of that company. In a banckruptcy, there usually isn't any assets left for the shareholders after the "secured" creditors are paid. If a shareholder holds or controls 51% of the stock then he holds the majority in the election of all board members who hire the management and therefore runs the company.
I believe that if Mrs. Kerry owned or controlled 51% of Heinz stock, then Heinz would not be a contributor to Bush's campaign but would contribute to Kerry's. I also believe that if Mrs. Kerry actually controlled Heinz, that they wouldn't be one of the "Benedict Arnold" companies that her husband criticizes. I don't see any hipocracy or contradiction here since Heinz (the company) is clearly Republican in their ideology and political support. Is Heinz (the company) an embarrasment to Mrs. Kerry? Only because she doesn't own enough of it to run it!
What you say above regarding stock and control of a company is true. However you wisely stepped around the point of my argument of "practice what you preach or go home"... namely that if Mrs Heintz does not agree with and support the biz practices of the company (Heintz's international operations) she should divest herself of the stock and buy stock in a company that "meet her and her husbands standards".
This is a classic example of the ol have your cake and eat it too attitude from the Heintz/kerrys.... what they're doing (the company) is bad (according to Kerry and most libs), but I ain't selling that stock no way no how cause it makes too much money for me (Mrs kerry). Get under the spotlight and sack up Kerry, and practice what you preach, you're running for president now remember. Don't stand around preaching rah rah USA while collecting millions a year from stock you own of a company that doesn't comply to the rah rah standards. It makes you look like a hipocritical idiot.
btw while I'm not crazy about everything GW has done, I sure as hell ain't voting for this idiot Kerry. His presidential race rhetoric reminds me painfully of Clintons.

AZKC
07-11-2004, 01:38 PM
I miss Billy:D

Rexone
07-11-2004, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
The Monica and Whitewater mini-scandals had no relevance to the job Mr Clinton did running the country and a majority of voters got that what he wanted to do with the office was to do good for ordinary people.
That's bs right there Don.
The wasted time and energy Clinton used up trying to dodge and weave around all this shit while in office definately affected his ability and energy to do the job of president. And what an example it set too.

Rexone
07-11-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Rexone
That's bs right there Don.
The wasted time and energy Clinton used up trying to dodge and weave around all this shit while in office definately affected his ability and energy to do the job of president. And what an example it set too.
And further, now he's bipping around the country, talking about shit and writing books, making millions talking about others when he himself couldn't control himself or get the job done being president. That's just rich.
Clinton was and is the worst excuse for a president we've had in decades.

Misogynist
07-11-2004, 05:57 PM
All I know is I'm going to drive my skag... followed by my skeg... up the butt of any politician that continues to give China "most favored nation" trading status.... Damn it... all of our jobs have gone offshore.... does it benefit the american worker?... the American consumer?... or the importer that is able to quintuple the price of the product because the chinese stuff is so cheap?.... Bill Clinton gave china "most favored nation" status for 8 years... his reasoning?... "We don't want them to go back to communism"... such bullsh!t lies... he gave them that status because of all the chinese campaign donations to the dems PACs.... I'll give you guys an example... one of my old car buddies has a business here in SoCal... he makes the ice cream scoops for Baskin-Robbins.... the stainless ones cost him about $18.00 to manufacture and sell to Baskins... (made all in America)... the aluminum ones they retail to the public (made in china) cost him .75 cents... if he were to have them made here in USA by the same people that make the stainless ones they would cost 16.00... well... if he didn't go to china to make them.... someone would have taken his patented design and made them there anyway... then he would have been competing against another company that had stolen his design... China has no respect for patent rights or copywrite laws.... So... with no import tariffs in place... he was FORCED to go to china for the cheaper ones or go out of business.... That is the reality of cheap chinese imports... they are destroying our industries here right and left because they are so cheap. The choice of the american business man is jump on the chinese bandwagon or get left in the dust by your competitor... That is what happens without trade barriers or duties....